Derby #246: Animals Re-Enact History
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1966: The Final Frontier

1966: The Final Frontier
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lyonscc


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I think the airing of Star Trek counts as a famous date in history!

shikausstan


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As I agree this is a historical moment... I think it would be better without the peeps as I would like to wear it year round.

paigeg


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Too many thoughts, here...
Oh My Fruitful Garden, They killed Scotty!
Stupid Redshirts.
I can't save him, Jim, I'm a doctor not a confectioner!

lyonscc


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shikausstan wrote:As I agree this is a historical moment... I think it would be better without the peeps as I would like to wear it year round.


I think a real bunny w/o a head might be a little too gross. (And I like to get enough peeps around Easter to save them for later in the year :D)

richard4339


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I think I'd like it better though without the light green border. But I still really like it.

crazy4books


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I can't stop laughing....

ciaralee


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Poor redshirts. I like the idea but I'm not crazy about the Peeps.

I don't understand the second blue one, is the shirt supposed to be wrapped like Kirk's alternate uniform?

lpcampbe


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ciaralee wrote:Poor redshirts. I like the idea but I'm not crazy about the Peeps.

I don't understand the second blue one, is the shirt supposed to be wrapped like Kirk's alternate uniform?


Looks like every time a Star Trek picture is taken, there's always 2 blue guys...

http://fayehicks.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/star_trek_funny_pics_01.jpg

demon00689


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ciaralee wrote:I don't understand the second blue one, is the shirt supposed to be wrapped like Kirk's alternate uniform?


Is it supposed to be the nurse maybe? As seen here?

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/carolpinchefsky/files/2012/03/StarTrekCast.jpg

escapecar


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ciaralee wrote:Poor redshirts. I like the idea but I'm not crazy about the Peeps.

I don't understand the second blue one, is the shirt supposed to be wrapped like Kirk's alternate uniform?


Pretty sure that's the strap for a Tricorder.

lyonscc


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escapecar wrote:Pretty sure that's the strap for a Tricorder.


Yup, yup. Had to have something to differentiate Bones from Spock...

foghammer


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lyonscc wrote:Yup, yup. Had to have something to differentiate Bones from Spock...


Well, you could've made Spock's ears pointed.... (*innocent look*)

anxietyjunkie


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I would buy 10 of these. Man, I hope this one makes it!

lyonscc


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foghammer wrote:Well, you could've made Spock's ears pointed.... (*innocent look*)


Actually, I did think about that, but I knew that the Starfleet symbol is an auto-reject, so I wasn't sure what other Star Trek items fit into that category. The rejectionator is quite unforgiving (one of my two designs went down today)...

foghammer


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lyonscc wrote:Actually, I did think about that, but I knew that the Starfleet symbol is an auto-reject, so I wasn't sure what other Star Trek items fit into that category. The rejectionator is quite unforgiving (one of my two designs went down today)...


Technically, this isn't animals re-enacting history, which is the actual derby title.

It's still a wonderful shirt!

SirGecko


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foghammer wrote:Technically, this isn't animals re-enacting history, which is the actual derby title.

It's still a wonderful shirt!


I hate to say I agree. The shirt is great... for a star trek shirt. Not sure how this is depicting historic events. Really its a send up of a trope of the show, not a depiction of the first airing of the show.

cjoymr


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lyonscc wrote:I think the airing of Star Trek counts as a famous date in history!


Unfortunately, Peeps as Star Trek characters have been done more than once in The Washington Post's 'Peep Show' competitions, so it's not particularly original...

ciaralee


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escapecar wrote:Pretty sure that's the strap for a Tricorder.


Ahhh, thank you. I like people cleverer than me because I was quite puzzled by that extra line.

aerc712


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SirGecko wrote:I hate to say I agree. The shirt is great... for a star trek shirt. Not sure how this is depicting historic events. Really its a send up of a trope of the show, not a depiction of the first airing of the show.


I agree...the design works for pop culture, but it's pushing it a bit in terms of marking an "historical event."

The Tim


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Cute, but I'm not seeing animals or history re-enactment here. Just sugar treats and a TV reference.

angiemknight


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SirGecko wrote:I hate to say I agree. The shirt is great... for a star trek shirt. Not sure how this is depicting historic events. Really its a send up of a trope of the show, not a depiction of the first airing of the show.


The social issues this show tackled on network television (interracial relations, discrimination, environmental ethics, the caste system, to name a few...) broke new ground. I recently saw an interview with the actress who played Ohura (the female African-American communications officer) where she talked of almost leaving the show at one point, but she received a letter from Martin Luther King, Jr., sharing what an inspiration she was personally for the role she was playing, and respect she was shown in the intergalactic world of Star Trek. It may seem "geeky," but in retrospect, it was certainly historical.

aerc712


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angiemknight wrote:The social issues this show tackled on network television (interracial relations, discrimination, environmental ethics, the caste system, to name a few...) broke new ground. I recently saw an interview with the actress who played Ohura (the female African-American communications officer) where she talked of almost leaving the show at one point, but she received a letter from Martin Luther King, Jr., sharing what an inspiration she was personally for the role she was playing, and respect she was shown in the intergalactic world of Star Trek. It may seem "geeky," but in retrospect, it was certainly historical.


But the shirt doesn't reflect that. It's peeps as Star Trek characters. The link between the design and what place Star Trek might have in cultural history is just too far to fit the derby.

lyonscc


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The Tim wrote:Cute, but I'm not seeing animals or history re-enactment here. Just sugar treats and a TV reference.


Well, we have a number of Teddy Bears (with stuffing) in the derby, representing real bears ( just as bunny peeps represent real bunnies), and the TV Screen to ground the scene in the historical event (the TV airing). My apologies for not making it more obvious, as simplicity seemed to work better than a more defined TV set.

flemtone


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Brilliant. Especially the background - TV screens at the time were much more 'rounded' than today's screens. The background adds a touch of real-time to the design.

lyonscc


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flemtone wrote:Brilliant. Especially the background - TV screens at the time were much more 'rounded' than today's screens. The background adds a touch of real-time to the design.


Thanks! I realize I'm dating myself, but I remember seeing reruns on our TV from the mid-60's (with the rounded screen, which always seemed to have some dog slobber on it).

aerc712


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lyonscc wrote:Well, we have a number of Teddy Bears (with stuffing) in the derby, representing real bears ( just as bunny peeps represent real bunnies), and the TV Screen to ground the scene in the historical event (the TV airing). My apologies for not making it more obvious, as simplicity seemed to work better than a more defined TV set.


Having a teddy bear for Theodore Roosevelt actually adds to the historical element of those designs.

Some of my work is rooted in cultural history and even with that I feel like this design is a bit of a stretch in terms of clearly depicting an historical event.

moharry


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aerc712 wrote:Having a teddy bear for Theodore Roosevelt actually adds to the historical element of those designs.

Some of my work is rooted in cultural history and even with that I feel like this design is a bit of a stretch in terms of clearly depicting an historical event.


I love it, and this just seems like a really silly argument.

I see four Star Trek characters, represented as bunnies, on a old fashioned TV screen. Not sure what else you need to show animals (bunnies) in a historically significant event (the first TV broadcast of Star Trek. Seems like all the derby boxes got checked. I would expect that artists would approach a set of derby rules "artistically", and I think this guy has everything needed to meet the spirit and letter of the rules.

SirGecko


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aerc712 wrote:But the shirt doesn't reflect that. It's peeps as Star Trek characters. The link between the design and what place Star Trek might have in cultural history is just too far to fit the derby.


I agree. Can't see how this is anything but a shirt referencing star trek. "historical event" doesn't just mean it happened some time in history. if this shirt were ok then you would have to allow something like a Frankenstein reference as long a there were a book shaped background to it.

moharry


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SirGecko wrote:I agree. Can't see how this is anything but a shirt referencing star trek. "historical event" doesn't just mean it happened some time in history. if this shirt were ok then you would have to allow something like a Frankenstein reference as long a there were a book shaped background to it.


If you had a Franken-bunny, I wouldn't see a problem with that. Famous book/TV/Movie dates can be significant dates in history and would fit the derby theme. I'm pretty new here, but it just seems like folks are nit picking for it's own sake now. The last month or so, I have seen themes stretched a lot farther than this guy/girl has done.

Are you arguing that the creation of Star Trek isn't historical? The writer a ways up this discussion pointed out some ways it was, and as Sci-Fi and pop culture go, it was a watershed moment.

Reading through some of the design discussions, I wonder if people wouldn't be a lot better off praising the stuff they like and biting their lips when they don't like a design, for whatever reason.

aerc712


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moharry wrote:

Reading through some of the design discussions, I wonder if people wouldn't be a lot better off praising the stuff they like and biting their lips when they don't like a design, for whatever reason.


I sympathize with liking a design and not liking when people have dissenting posts. This isn't a matter of whether or not I like this design, it is a matter of whether or not the design fits the parameters of the derby's rules. As previously stated, I feel like the design is a bit of a stretch in terms of fully meeting the requirements of the derby. Star Trek might be important to sci-fi, but it's a bit of a leap to say that this design, as-is, shows whatever place Star Trek might have in cultural history. Disagree if you want, but that's my take on this design. Blame it on the fact that I make my living on teaching others about history.

wehealthy


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poor scottie

lyonscc


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aerc712 wrote:I sympathize with liking a design and not liking when people have dissenting posts. This isn't a matter of whether or not I like this design, it is a matter of whether or not the design fits the parameters of the derby's rules. As previously stated, I feel like the design is a bit of a stretch in terms of fully meeting the requirements of the derby. Star Trek might be important to sci-fi, but it's a bit of a leap to say that this design, as-is, shows whatever place Star Trek might have in cultural history. Disagree if you want, but that's my take on this design. Blame it on the fact that I make my living on teaching others about history.


Thanks, moharry (and I am a guy).

aerc712, I understand your concern, as I'm a big history buff (primarily the US Civil War and the ancient Near East). Even so, when I was evaluating ideas, I looked at Woot's operational definition(s) of "History", for the purposes of this particular derby.

1) "History" is defined as famous events that ocurred pre-1970.

The first TV broadcast of Star Trek is an event that occurred pre-1970.

2) "Famous" is defined as something more than just your goofy circle of friends know about it.

The first TV broadcast of Star Trek is something more than just my goofy circle of friends knows about.

The design has a TV screen, animals, ST uniforms (w/o copyrighted/trademarked symbols) and a common trope/meme from ST. So the elements for minimum inclusion are all there. I can think of much more important historical events than this (to your point) and even from this time period. Even so, the definitions of "famous" and "history" for this derby are so wide that this design isn't really a stretch for inclusion.

andrea2012


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The blue shirt with the black strap is Spock and the other blue shirt is Dr. McCoy.

andrea2012


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ciaralee wrote:Poor redshirts. I like the idea but I'm not crazy about the Peeps.

I don't understand the second blue one, is the shirt supposed to be wrapped like Kirk's alternate uniform?



The blue shirt with the black strap is Spock and the other blue shirt is Dr. McCoy.

aerc712


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lyonscc wrote:Thanks, moharry (and I am a guy).

aerc712, I understand your concern, as I'm a big history buff (primarily the US Civil War and the ancient Near East). Even so, when I was evaluating ideas, I looked at Woot's operational definition(s) of "History", for the purposes of this particular derby.

1) "History" is defined as famous events that ocurred pre-1970.

The first TV broadcast of Star Trek is an event that occurred pre-1970.

2) "Famous" is defined as something more than just your goofy circle of friends know about it.

The first TV broadcast of Star Trek is something more than just my goofy circle of friends knows about.

The design has a TV screen, animals, ST uniforms (w/o copyrighted/trademarked symbols) and a common trope/meme from ST. So the elements for minimum inclusion are all there. I can think of much more important historical events than this (to your point) and even from this time period. Even so, the definitions of "famous" and "history" for this derby are so wide that this design isn't really a stretch for inclusion.


We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. For me, Star Trek is not something that I could envision including in a class lecture, that's what I based my assessment on. For some people, the first episode of Star Trek might mark an "historical event," but I don't think it does. But, what do I know about history, I'm just in the final stages of earning my second degree in the subject.

redcab


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Although it wouldn't have worked for this topic, I am still partial to this Star Trek shirt...shame it never got made. http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=58551

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nickolis


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aerc712 wrote:We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. For me, Star Trek is not something that I could envision including in a class lecture, that's what I based my assessment on. For some people, the first episode of Star Trek might mark an "historical event," but I don't think it does. But, what do I know about history, I'm just in the final stages of earning my second degree in the subject.


Luckily, if you feel that the entry is not within the thematic rules of the derby, Woot has provided an outlet for your concerns. It is a little red button, called "Tattle on this."

They can make the decision and we will see where the pick-up sticks (first brought to the United States in 1936 from Hungary, Oh My Fruitful Garden, history) lay.

aerc712


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nickolis wrote:Luckily, if you feel that the entry is not within the thematic rules of the derby, Woot has provided an outlet for your concerns. It is a little red button, called "Tattle on this."

They can make the decision and we will see where the pick-up sticks (first brought to the United States in 1936 from Hungary, Oh My Fruitful Garden, history) lay.


And the description for that wonderful button you describe is -
"If you spot a derby entry that appears to have been borrowed / creatively acquired / shamelessly stolen from some other source, you can report it to your friendly derby-meisters by going to the offending derby's entry page (by clicking on the design image) and clicking the red "TATTLE ON THIS" button in the upper right corner. When tattling, don't forget to provide specific examples or links to the original work."
I interpreted that as that feature should only be used in the case of reporting an unoriginal work. Am I wrong? Care to enlighten me and say that I grossly misunderstood that paragraph? Teach me wise one, for you apparently have all the answers nickolis.

seakitty


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aerc712 wrote:And the description for that wonderful button you describe is -
"If you spot a derby entry that appears to have been borrowed / creatively acquired / shamelessly stolen from some other source, you can report it to your friendly derby-meisters by going to the offending derby's entry page (by clicking on the design image) and clicking the red "TATTLE ON THIS" button in the upper right corner. When tattling, don't forget to provide specific examples or links to the original work."
I interpreted that as that feature should only be used in the case of reporting an unoriginal work. Am I wrong? Care to enlighten me and say that I grossly misunderstood that paragraph? Teach me wise one, for you apparently have all the answers nickolis.


I think the general purpose for the "Tattle" button is for reporting unoriginal work, since that's the biggest liability to woot. I think people use it to try and argue why they think shirts should be rejected too, though I don't know how successful they are.

With this design, I think woot's probably already evaluated it and determined it meets the derby criteria, simply because there have been at least two, and maybe more, 'waves' of rejections since Friday. The rules for this week's derby are very loose. If it depicts an event before 1970 and it is "famous" enough that is included in wikipedia, it meets the minimum criteria for the derby. Yes, it's not something I would expect my kids to learn in history class, but it is "famous history" for the purposes of this derby.

Personally, I think it is funny, and I voted for it, since my husband is a big Trekkie.

nickolis


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aerc712 wrote:And the description for that wonderful button you describe is -
"If you spot a derby entry that appears to have been borrowed / creatively acquired / shamelessly stolen from some other source, you can report it to your friendly derby-meisters by going to the offending derby's entry page (by clicking on the design image) and clicking the red "TATTLE ON THIS" button in the upper right corner. When tattling, don't forget to provide specific examples or links to the original work."
I interpreted that as that feature should only be used in the case of reporting an unoriginal work. Am I wrong? Care to enlighten me and say that I grossly misunderstood that paragraph? Teach me wise one, for you apparently have all the answers nickolis.


While that is an accurate quote of their answer; to me, the important part is the question, "Someone appears to be breaking the rules of the derby. How do I rat them out?"

Are you not, in effect, attempting to make an arguement for why this is breaking a derby rule?

adanabbett


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Re: 1966: The Final Frontier


Not going to get into the on-topic debate. I figure if a song from a movie can make it in a poetry derby than this is at least as much on topic.

I will say the shifting perspective bugs me. You see the left side peeps from the left and the right side peeps from the right, but there's no change in size to indicate that they're set at different distances or turned to make this right. I also think the shirt color detracts from the design and from the idea that this was supposed to show them on tv (making it somewhat on topic).

I kinda wish they'd made a tshirt of an actual scene from an early star trek, but using the peeps. The could've used the green peep for the dancing lady.

horsetrainer


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aerc712 wrote:We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. For me, Star Trek is not something that I could envision including in a class lecture, that's what I based my assessment on. For some people, the first episode of Star Trek might mark an "historical event," but I don't think it does. But, what do I know about history, I'm just in the final stages of earning my second degree in the subject.



Seriously? You're on Woot! and worried about whether or not a shirt depicting an historical event is about a subject that could be taught in class??? It did not say important, just a famous historical event. If one has watched much Star Trek at all, then a very important lesson was taught in almost every episode, Never, EVER go anywhere unknown or remotely dangerous wearing a red shirt, you will die! I learned that and I'm not even a Trekkie.

clbevilacqua


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aerc712 wrote:We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. For me, Star Trek is not something that I could envision including in a class lecture, that's what I based my assessment on. For some people, the first episode of Star Trek might mark an "historical event," but I don't think it does. But, what do I know about history, I'm just in the final stages of earning my second degree in the subject.


Wow-congratulations on all of your schooling (and I do truly mean that) BUT 1,2 or 300 degrees does not make you the be all and end all of information. Take a class in contemporary art history and guess what shows up? That's right, the premier of Star Trek. And being snarky about your learning just makes you appear...., well...... uneducated.

aerc712


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clbevilacqua wrote:Wow-congratulations on all of your schooling (and I do truly mean that) BUT 1,2 or 300 degrees does not make you the be all and end all of information. Take a class in contemporary art history and guess what shows up? That's right, the premier of Star Trek. And being snarky about your learning just makes you appear...., well...... uneducated.


Take a class in art history (which I've done) and you see paint splatter deemed a masterpiece. It's all about perspective. Some may say that the premiere of Star Trek was an historical event. I, personally, don't believe it was.

For the record, I ended up throwing in that line about my education because I was just so frustrated with the debate at that point.

Trekkies, congrats on the design sticking around. Call it history all you want, but I'll never agree with that assessment.

ThunderThighs


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aerc712


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horsetrainer wrote:Seriously? You're on Woot! and worried about whether or not a shirt depicting an historical event is about a subject that could be taught in class??? It did not say important, just a famous historical event. If one has watched much Star Trek at all, then a very important lesson was taught in almost every episode, Never, EVER go anywhere unknown or remotely dangerous wearing a red shirt, you will die! I learned that and I'm not even a Trekkie.


The lecture remark was a reference I threw in there as I tried to make my point. As previously stated, I study and teach history, so as I was looking at each of the derby entries, I viewed them with a distinct perspective. Each person has their own p.o.v. and will have their own opinions on designs. Mine might not be a popular one at all, but I was not the only one to question whether or not peeps in pseudo Star Trek uniforms fit the derby.

aeris82


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I teach at a university, and let me tell you, we've got some funky history classes.

I would not be remotely surprised if we had one on the history of Star Trek (and it's sociopolitical impact, or some such thing.)

aerc712


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Fine, disregard what I've said. Excuse me for speaking up when I had an opinion about a subject that I am familiar with.

jumcdona


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aerc712 wrote:Fine, disregard what I've said. Excuse me for speaking up when I had an opinion about a subject that I am familiar with.


I don't think anyone has issue with your opinion, just when your opinion went from 'well here are my thoughts...' to 'but I have this massive education and degree on the subject so I know more'. That's when you started getting pelted with vegetables from Trekkies, geeks and other educated individuals such as yourself.

Don't let this one instance keep you from posting opinions here, that's how people grow in critical thinking and in their skills. I'd just suggest leaving your degree at the door to avoid the temptation of waving it like a trump card and then fall back on 'I was just voicing my opinion!' when it doesn't work out.

aerc712


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jumcdona wrote:I don't think anyone has issue with your opinion, just when your opinion went from 'well here are my thoughts...' to 'but I have this massive education and degree on the subject so I know more'. That's when you started getting pelted with vegetables from Trekkies, geeks and other educated individuals such as yourself.

Don't let this one instance keep you from posting opinions here, that's how people grow in critical thinking and in their skills. I'd just suggest leaving your degree at the door to avoid the temptation of waving it like a trump card and then fall back on 'I was just voicing my opinion!' when it doesn't work out.


When reading messages and feeling like the message is "you're a fool for saying Star Trek's first episode isn't historical" then I felt that one way I could clarify why I was reacting the way I did was to say "hey, this is my perspective, this is why I don't think a damn TV show's premiere is historical." I did try to avoid the snark at first but then my argument devolved a bit as I got more and more frustrated. If you saw people manipulating something that you're passionate about, you would have trouble avoiding the snark after awhile. I'll go have a giant humble pie now.

brankitteh


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paigeg wrote:Too many thoughts, here...
Oh My Fruitful Garden, They killed Scotty!
Stupid Redshirts.
I can't save him, Jim, I'm a doctor not a confectioner!


I just died laughing. (not really, I'm still alive!)

Thank you for making my work week a bit better.

dragynphyre


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lyonscc wrote:I think the airing of Star Trek counts as a famous date in history!


WANT!

djp519


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I'm disappointed this didn't print. Would have been an insta-buy for me.

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