Derby #252: Three's a Crowd

Beastie

Rejected because: Again, no.

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erimock


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Re: Beastie


Well, let's see if it was 'orgy' they didn't like.

curli76


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erimock wrote:Well, let's see if it was 'orgy' they didn't like.


1. Probably
2. They probably won't like this one either.
3. It doesn't matter anyway, because this is all text, and that's out this week.

Sorry.

citizencoyote


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erimock wrote:Well, let's see if it was 'orgy' they didn't like.


Woot likes to keep things family friendly. That means no sex, drugs, or toilet humor (to name a few things).

cjoymr


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erimock wrote:Well, let's see if it was 'orgy' they didn't like.


Because you think they are too dumb to know what menage a trois means?

This'll still get rejected.

zaydabarros


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Re: Beastie


I'm sorry, and I don't mean to be rude in any way, but you're wasting your time with this design on Woot. First of all, it's pretty much text only, which is not allowed in this week's derby, plus, everything that Woot prints, prints on Kids' Sizes as well, and even if you don't get rejected and get to at least an honorable mention, they will not print a sexual or religious reference, let alone both combined. Even if you take away the words, all that would be left would be a bunch of 69s and that wont fly with Woot anyway, so, if you are still trying to pursue this design (and I can tell you are) I suggest you try a different shirt design website that has different rules.

erimock


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cjoymr wrote:Because you think they are too dumb to know what menage a trois means?

This'll still get rejected.


No (obviously), because I think kids don't know what menage a trois means. Thus, making the 'joke' a little more subtle.

ciaralee


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Re: Beastie


Well I had to look it up, but Wikipedia answers all. And I doubt this is something Woot would want to associate its name with.

erimock


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zaydabarros wrote:I'm sorry, and I don't mean to be rude in any way, but you're wasting your time with this design on Woot. First of all, it's pretty much text only, which is not allowed in this week's derby, plus, everything that Woot prints, prints on Kids' Sizes as well, and even if you don't get rejected and get to at least an honorable mention, they will not print a sexual or religious reference, let alone both combined. Even if you take away the words, all that would be left would be a bunch of 69s and that wont fly with Woot anyway, so, if you are still trying to pursue this design (and I can tell you are) I suggest you try a different shirt design website that has different rules.


That's the thing. It took almost no time to change the text (or create the design), and I get to see a little better where the boundary is.

Speaking of wasting time, this entire competition is a huge waste of time. Think about all the time put into artwork that never makes it onto a shirt. (Although I hope people find a way to recycle their work.) Everyone is just doing it for fun since they have to know that the chances of 'winning' are /very/ small.

Anyway, here's the design I would have done if I really had more time (and ability):

A bunch of oxygen (O2) molecules grouped in pairs waiting to get into a club. At the door is a big bouncer atom (maybe plutonium) and a group of three, one being a carbon atom (i.e. CO2). Bouncer is pointing at a sign that says "No Greenhouse Gases".

If anyone wants to make it, go ahead but it's probably too late at this point.

Thirdbase9


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Re: Beastie


Since a menage a trois is for three people, how does this fit the theme? A menage a deux would fit the theme.

I don't know.

curli76


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erimock wrote:
Speaking of wasting time, this entire competition is a huge waste of time. Think about all the time put into artwork that never makes it onto a shirt. (Although I hope people find a way to recycle their work.) Everyone is just doing it for fun since they have to know that the chances of 'winning' are /very/ small.


It's sad that you see it like this. It's not a waste of time for people who want to practice their art and challenge themselves creatively to come up with a design that is both interesting and follows the guidelines.

And yes, the chances of printing are small for some, but many people work really hard and wind up getting printed eventually. If nothing else, they can get feedback on their work from shirt fans and artists alike.

airframeas


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erimock wrote:
Speaking of wasting time, this entire competition is a huge waste of time.


This statement alone would really royally tick off the rejectors on this site. The statement seems "unsportsmanlike conduct" coming from you.

One question for you: If you think it is a waste of time, then why are you submitting designs at Woot? And two, why submit a shirt that is off topic and also going against the rules. The rules clearly stated, as others have said, that there are "No text only designs". Sometimes, I wished people would read the rules of the derby BEFORE submitting anything..... But that is just me.

erimock


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curli76 wrote:It's sad that you see it like this. It's not a waste of time for people who want to practice their art and challenge themselves creatively to come up with a design that is both interesting and follows the guidelines.

And yes, the chances of printing are small for some, but many people work really hard and wind up getting printed eventually. If nothing else, they can get feedback on their work from shirt fans and artists alike.


You are completely missing the point. What is a waste of time is all dependent on the person spending the time. Thus if, as the previous person suggested, I am wasting my time then so is everyone else here. And to a much larger degree than I. People should be allowed to make up their own minds about how to spend their time and what they consider wasting it.

erimock


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airframeas wrote:This statement alone would really royally tick off the rejectors on this site. The statement seems "unsportsmanlike conduct" coming from you.

One question for you: If you think it is a waste of time, then why are you submitting designs at Woot? And two, why submit a shirt that is off topic and also going against the rules. The rules clearly stated, as others have said, that there are "No text only designs". Sometimes, I wished people would read the rules of the derby BEFORE submitting anything..... But that is just me.


Please read my reply to the other person that didn't get the point of my waste of time comment. It has nothing to do with unsportsmanlike conduct. I really could not care less if the design gets rejected; it's not like it was going to win anyway. I just want to try to get a better understanding of the boundaries (even the 'unwritten' ones) because they are exascerbatingly vague.

Likewise, what exactly does text only mean? I would consider my design a text-based design. There is some artwork in there. Unfortunately, the rejectors are too busy trying to be cute instead of explaining what was objectionable.

Like a previous poster said, it's nice to get feedback. Getting some from the rejector would also be useful.

Plus, it's only off-topic in your mind. Broaden your persepctive. Sometimes crowds are good.

yankeebird


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erimock wrote:Please read my reply to the other person that didn't get the point of my waste of time comment. It has nothing to do with unsportsmanlike conduct. I really could not care less if the design gets rejected; it's not like it was going to win anyway. I just want to try to get a better understanding of the boundaries (even the 'unwritten' ones) because they are exascerbatingly vague.

Likewise, what exactly does text only mean? I would consider my design a text-based design. There is some artwork in there. Unfortunately, the rejectors are too busy trying to be cute instead of explaining what was objectionable.

Like a previous poster said, it's nice to get feedback. Getting some from the rejector would also be useful.

Plus, it's only off-topic in your mind. Broaden your persepctive. Sometimes crowds are good.


No, it's off-topic. Woot makes the theme, they decide what's on-topic, not you.

mjc613


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erimock wrote:....
Likewise, what exactly does text only mean?

Anything that can be typed on a keyboard, even things that require ASCII text, like an infinity symbol, is considered text. This is based on what has been rejected in the past.

Yes the rejectionator is fairly vague. But everyone gets the same vague treatment.


zaydabarros


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erimock wrote:You are completely missing the point. What is a waste of time is all dependent on the person spending the time. Thus if, as the previous person suggested, I am wasting my time then so is everyone else here. And to a much larger degree than I. People should be allowed to make up their own minds about how to spend their time and what they consider wasting it.


No, YOU are wasting YOUR time because YOU are submitting designs that are out of the guidelines. The people who are submitting stuff that follows the rules are not wasting their time and they can get a lot out of this, besides the money, like practice and feedback.

curli76


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erimock wrote:You are completely missing the point. What is a waste of time is all dependent on the person spending the time. Thus if, as the previous person suggested, I am wasting my time then so is everyone else here. And to a much larger degree than I. People should be allowed to make up their own minds about how to spend their time and what they consider wasting it.


Fine. If you consider it to be worthwhile to create a shirt that has no chance of winning, not only because it's all text and CLEARLY outside the boundaries of what Woot will print, so be it. But do not twist, mince, or omit words that you wrote in a vain attempt to make me look foolish. You said:

"Everyone is just doing it for fun since they have to know that the chances of 'winning' are /very/ small."

And, again, that isn't true. People come here, follow the rules, get good feedback, improve as artists, and sometimes, actually get printed. Had you posted your idea on the message board for the derby before posting it, you could have gotten feedback that might have helped you.

Also, if being off-topic and rejected is fun for you, please keep in mind that it's not fun for the other participants on this site. I enjoy looking at everyone's entries, and that becomes difficult when the derby page is littered with rejects.

And that's all the energy I'm going to expend on you and your flawed logic.

bluetuba


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curli76 wrote:Had you posted your idea on the message board for the derby before posting it, you could have gotten feedback that might have helped you.


The funny part is that he DID post it on the pre-derby thread and several people explained the multiple problems with this entry before the derby even began.

http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/viewpost.aspx?PostID=5001609&PageIndex=4&ReplyCount=189#post5002515

His "testing boundaries" is laughable, changing the rejected slogan to another language proves nothing. It's still all text, and it's still a sexual and religious reference.

He's just not listening and being a PITA.

"You can't just dress a Minion like Spock, and add a caption that says "Logical Me". There's a prison for people like that. Below my house."

erimock


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yankeebird wrote:No, it's off-topic. Woot makes the theme, they decide what's on-topic, not you.


So, then why do other rejections get "Off topic" while this gets "Ah, no"? Apparently they did not consider off topic or (I hope) they would have said so.

erimock


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mjc613 wrote:Anything that can be typed on a keyboard, even things that require ASCII text, like an infinity symbol, is considered text. This is based on what has been rejected in the past.

Yes the rejectionator is fairly vague. But everyone gets the same vague treatment.


I'm not complaining (actually about anything) that they are being unfair to me or singling me out for any reason. I'm just saying they should really at least give some reason for why they reject something. Having some official guidelines would also help.

erimock


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bluetuba wrote:The funny part is that he DID post it on the pre-derby thread and several people explained the multiple problems with this entry before the derby even began.

http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/viewpost.aspx?PostID=5001609&PageIndex=4&ReplyCount=189#post5002515

His "testing boundaries" is laughable, changing the rejected slogan to another language proves nothing. It's still all text, and it's still a sexual and religious reference.

He's just not listening and being a PITA.


Please tell me where it says anything about sexual and religious references in the guidelines? Han and Leia in bed isn't a sexual reference?

Yes, 'people' did explain the problem. However, I took those as unofficial thoughts.

It's funny how you seem to think I'm upset that it got rejected. I mean, given the pre-derby feedback I figured it would. But why not submit and see?

Changing the 'language' was just to see if it was 'orgy' that they found objectionable. Apparently it was more than that. Although I still have no idea if they consider it 'text-only'.

erimock


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curli76 wrote:Fine. If you consider it to be worthwhile to create a shirt that has no chance of winning, not only because it's all text and CLEARLY outside the boundaries of what Woot will print, so be it. But do not twist, mince, or omit words that you wrote in a vain attempt to make me look foolish. You said:

"Everyone is just doing it for fun since they have to know that the chances of 'winning' are /very/ small."

And, again, that isn't true. People come here, follow the rules, get good feedback, improve as artists, and sometimes, actually get printed. Had you posted your idea on the message board for the derby before posting it, you could have gotten feedback that might have helped you.

Also, if being off-topic and rejected is fun for you, please keep in mind that it's not fun for the other participants on this site. I enjoy looking at everyone's entries, and that becomes difficult when the derby page is littered with rejects.

And that's all the energy I'm going to expend on you and your flawed logic.


Funny how you pick and choose my words too. Please read what I wrote. I never suggested that people submit for other non-time-wasting reasons than 'fun'. You just need to quit telling people they are wasting their time when you have no idea what the circumstances are. Likewise, I will consider further discussion with someone who thinks they now how other people should spend their time a waste of my time.

bluetuba


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erimock wrote:Please tell me where it says anything about sexual and religious references in the guidelines? Han and Leia in bed isn't a sexual reference?

Yes, 'people' did explain the problem. However, I took those as unofficial thoughts.

It's funny how you seem to think I'm upset that it got rejected. I mean, given the pre-derby feedback I figured it would. But why not submit and see?

Changing the 'language' was just to see if it was 'orgy' that they found objectionable. Apparently it was more than that. Although I still have no idea if they consider it 'text-only'.


Officially Woot can reject (or not) any design they want for any reason they want. There are scads of unofficial rules that the community has observed over the years and they are listed off quite frequently. Things like No sex, No religion, No politics, No celebrity likeness, No toilet humor, ect.. There have been some big long posts in the forum that discuss these in detail that you can find.

Han and Leia in bed is OK because it's not explicit, it's just two people in a bed. You put the words Orgy, Ménage à trois, and 69 on a shirt. Those are directly sexual. No religion is another big one, a 666 shirt is a direct Satan/Religious reference.

The only part you'd have any grey area at all on is the No Text Only rule this week and I don't think adding some flames to your 666 is enough of a graphic element. If you wanted to test that boundary you'd have to remove the sexual and religious parts, which is basically the entirety of your idea.


-No Text = No text of any kind, on anything, no exceptions. People have been rejected for having X eyes on cartoon characters.

-Incidental Text Only = According to Tgentry "No taglines or slogans. The general guideline for incidental text is this: your design should work just as well without the text. If the design doesn't make sense or has a completely different meaning without it, it's not incidental." Which means that an A+ on a report card or a STOP sign in the background are OK

-No Text Only = Slogans or captions are OK but you have to have some kind of graphic to go with it. Some stick figures, outline of a dinosaur, anything on theme.. you can't just slap a sentence on a shirt.

"You can't just dress a Minion like Spock, and add a caption that says "Logical Me". There's a prison for people like that. Below my house."

curli76


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erimock wrote:So, then why do other rejections get "Off topic" while this gets "Ah, no"? Apparently they did not consider off topic or (I hope) they would have said so.


I know I said I was done here, but in the interest of answering your question:

When you get an "ah, no" or a "nope," it usually means it's being rejected because it's considered too offensive or crude to print. It would still have been disqualified as off-topic and all text, but they're not going to spend their time listing every single aspect of your shirt that got you rejected.

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