Derby #265: Imaginary Restaurants
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Barrel Busters 2

Barrel Busters 2
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orabbit


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Re: Barrel Busters 2


Either I didn't present the joke well, or it's just not an appealing concept. Here's another shot at it.

skooshy


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orabbit wrote:Either I didn't present the joke well, or it's just not an appealing concept. Here's another shot at it.


I think it's presented very well. I like it a lot. I don't think video game characters get their food from any place else!

orabbit


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skooshy wrote:I think it's presented very well. I like it a lot. I don't think video game characters get their food from any place else!


Thanks. Glad you like it. Where are my other fellow hack and slashers?

Mavyn


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orabbit wrote:Either I didn't present the joke well, or it's just not an appealing concept. Here's another shot at it.


To me, this is pop culture. Video games in general ping my 'pop culture' meter, though.

My speech is not parsing. I am speaking in ellipsis.

orabbit


quality posts: 31 Private Messages orabbit
Mavyn wrote:To me, this is pop culture. Video games in general ping my 'pop culture' meter, though.


Yes, but it's not specific intellectual property, which is the difference. It's maybe a bit cheeky, but it won't get rejected. Won't get many votes either, apparently.

runnerfrog13


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Mavyn wrote:To me, this is pop culture. Video games in general ping my 'pop culture' meter, though.

Yeah, it's well executed, but to me it falls under the "no pop culture riffs" (whether or not it's violating intellectual property, which I agree it is not)

orabbit


quality posts: 31 Private Messages orabbit
runnerfrog13 wrote:Yeah, it's well executed, but to me it falls under the "no pop culture riffs" (whether or not it's violating intellectual property, which I agree it is not)


I try to avoid pop culture in general when designing, but it's tough as an artist. There's such a thing as "too original". People don't vote for style or content that's too far outside the established comfort zone. Look at someone like cherylfrancis who turns out amazing art and gets very few votes.

I apologize if I've offended the theme purists with my lowbrow pandering. I don't want to get a reputation. I don't mean that sarcastically. I used to be a theme purist until I saw winning shirts tangentially related to the theme win week after week. It's frustrating to have had a few designs fog, and not be able to reproduce that success. So I'm in a "spaghetti" phase. Throw it at the wall and see what sticks.

/whiny tirade

runnerfrog13


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orabbit wrote:I try to avoid pop culture in general when designing, but it's tough as an artist. There's such a thing as "too original". People don't vote for style or content that's too far outside the established comfort zone. Look at someone like cherylfrancis who turns out amazing art and gets very few votes.

I apologize if I've offended the theme purists with my lowbrow pandering. I don't want to get a reputation. I don't mean that sarcastically. I used to be a theme purist until I saw winning shirts tangentially related to the theme win week after week. It's frustrating to have had a few designs fog, and not be able to reproduce that success. So I'm in a "spaghetti" phase. Throw it at the wall and see what sticks.

/whiny tirade

"Spaghetti phase" hehe I like it

Yah, I don't mean to be a purist either, I've noticed the exact same thing you're saying. It's something that Adder would always harp about (though I think he was rather extreme about it), but the truth is that pop culture gets votes. It's "popular culture," it's everwhere, it's wearable and instantly understood by a large population... but when you're trying to be original and yet at the same time get votes so your shirt prints, how do you balance the two? Pop gets you votes, original gets you, well who knows. I completely hear ya.

That's actually one of the reasons I'm in favor of the new voting experiment Woot is doing, where only the first place is chosen by number of votes, and the other two are by guest judge and woot judge. I hope it works well! Unfortunately I missed the last few derbies so I don't know what the consensus on it has been

dawnao


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runnerfrog13 wrote:"Spaghetti phase" hehe I like it

Yah, I don't mean to be a purist either, I've noticed the exact same thing you're saying. It's something that Adder would always harp about (though I think he was rather extreme about it), but the truth is that pop culture gets votes. It's "popular culture," it's everwhere, it's wearable and instantly understood by a large population... but when you're trying to be original and yet at the same time get votes so your shirt prints, how do you balance the two? Pop gets you votes, original gets you, well who knows. I completely hear ya.

That's actually one of the reasons I'm in favor of the new voting experiment Woot is doing, where only the first place is chosen by number of votes, and the other two are by guest judge and woot judge. I hope it works well! Unfortunately I missed the last few derbies so I don't know what the consensus on it has been


I thought the new system was a great idea but so far the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners have all come from the fog. Might as well go back to the old format. And to me it appears this place is a little cliquish. They only vote for and support the people in their clique and not on the art itself. So not only is pop culture a vote getter apparently so is being popular.

j5


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orabbit wrote:I used to be a theme purist until I saw winning shirts tangentially related to the theme win week after week.

Theme's are just suggestions. They aren't design guides, they are...well...themes.

So I'm in a "spaghetti" phase. Throw it at the wall and see what sticks.
It worked for Lyonscc.

I have a shirt catalog, y'all!

cdrewlow


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dawnao wrote:I thought the new system was a great idea but so far the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners have all come from the fog. Might as well go back to the old format.


Actually, 2 of the 3 guest editor choices have come from outside the fog.

j5


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cdrewlow wrote:Actually, 2 of the 3 guest editor choices have come from outside the fog.


But not outside the "establishment".

EC has been 2nd place every time so far.

I have a shirt catalog, y'all!

dawnao


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cdrewlow wrote:Actually, 2 of the 3 guest editor choices have come from outside the fog.


Really? which ones?

j5


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dawnao wrote:Really? which ones?


Bassanimation chose Ochopika's wish dragon design, it was not in the fog as it was a very late entry.
DrakXXX chose Fishbiscuit5's Curiosity V2 design, it was not in the fog (but V1 was)

I have a shirt catalog, y'all!

dawnao


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j5 wrote:But not outside the "establishment".

EC has been 2nd place every time so far.


I'm not surprised at all.

cdrewlow


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j5 wrote:But not outside the "establishment".

EC has been 2nd place every time so far.


I totally agree about the establishment part. Everyone that's won has won before. It would be nice to see a 1st time print or something out of the top 20 be chosen.

ps. You might want to double check Naolito's Tea Time.

eta: Sorry, orabbit, for having a totally different discussion in your thread...

j5


quality posts: 63 Private Messages j5
cdrewlow wrote:
ps. You might want to double check Naolito's Tea Time.

oops! Right-o. For some reason I had in my mind that Walmazan printed.

I have a shirt catalog, y'all!

orabbit


quality posts: 31 Private Messages orabbit
cdrewlow wrote:I totally agree about the establishment part. Everyone that's won has won before. It would be nice to see a 1st time print or something out of the top 20 be chosen.

ps. You might want to double check Naolito's Tea Time.

eta: Sorry, orabbit, for having a totally different discussion in your thread...


It's cool. I'm all for conversation. You just confirmed me as a friend on Facebook, by the way.

j5


quality posts: 63 Private Messages j5
cdrewlow wrote:I totally agree about the establishment part. Everyone that's won has won before. It would be nice to see a 1st time print or something out of the top 20 be chosen.

See, it's mostly psychological. People vote for designers that have been vetted by the print process. The fastest path to that is to either work "pop" or get some dailies. Look at Rasabi or NoxandPye for examples. Great "hand," no love until they went "pop".

I have a shirt catalog, y'all!

cdrewlow


quality posts: 10 Private Messages cdrewlow
orabbit wrote:It's cool. I'm all for conversation. You just confirmed me as a friend on Facebook, by the way.


Yup! I recognized you by your glorious 'stache.

j5 wrote:See, it's mostly psychological. People vote for designers that have been vetted by the print process. The fastest path to that is to either work "pop" or get some dailies. Look at Rasabi or NoxandPye for examples. Great "hand," no love until they went "pop".


Hmm. Good point. I've noticed how the comments I get change from people liking my design to liking the reference when I go pop. Maybe it's time for a Darth Vader meets Dr. Who shirt...

cherylfrancis


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orabbit wrote:I try to avoid pop culture in general when designing, but it's tough as an artist. There's such a thing as "too original". People don't vote for style or content that's too far outside the established comfort zone. Look at someone like cherylfrancis who turns out amazing art and gets very few votes.

I apologize if I've offended the theme purists with my lowbrow pandering. I don't want to get a reputation. I don't mean that sarcastically. I used to be a theme purist until I saw winning shirts tangentially related to the theme win week after week. It's frustrating to have had a few designs fog, and not be able to reproduce that success. So I'm in a "spaghetti" phase. Throw it at the wall and see what sticks.

/whiny tirade


Thank you thank youuuuuuuuu!!


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