tjost wrote:It's cool man I don't think your carrying a grudge or anything. Here's the question I asked Joel after Spiritgreen had subbed his atom bomb cereal with a lot of text.
Question - Can I resub my count shirt from last year if I revise it a bit but keep the numbers since they are actual characters and not text that is saying something? Others in this derby are using far more text. Please let me know. Thanks
..."the short answer is 'yes' you can submit to the derby without fear of rejection."
There was other stuff said but it's not pertanent to the issue at hand. Again if they decide to nix it that's fine. But I asked specifically, I didn't weasel anything or try to imply that I asked him one thing, got a response and then tried to twist that response into looking like an approval for something else.
Okay, let me weigh in on the incidental text rule everyone's up in arms over. The rule, along with our usual "no text" rule, is implemented to challenge designers to rely on illustration than simple puns, wordplay, or jokes that requires a literal punch line to decipher.
That said, we allow incidental text for some Derbies because it can be useful or even necessary. I won't deny the use of text here, but I don't think it uses text as a crutch to avoid having to illustrate. If it had a caption saying something like "A Parody of Seasame Street's: The Count" or something similar, I'd agree the text is superfluous; in this case the joke is visual and not with footnotes, captions, or punchlines.
I know that's subjective, but that's how these things go. Until we have a robot that will coldly and emotionlessly calculate the legitimacy of shirt designs, it will still be real people doing their best to interpret the rules. I think our decision to present those finding to you all rather than simply stamping rejected on the entry is helpful. Do you think it would be better with no insight given?
The short answer is we give a set of rules each and every week for artists to follow. Dancing along the edge of those rules invites rejection for reasons you may not understand or even like. My recommendation; don't spend a lot of time and energy on a design that skirts the rules if you can't stand to see it get rejected. If you can stand it, the pay off may be huge.
Lastly, it's a shame my correspondence with Tjost might be viewed as nepotistic. I try to respond to any artist asking direct questions since that's part of what I like about my job, but I can understand why, in the Derbies, it might be interpreted as such. Moving forward, it's likely best to leave those responses in the hands of the week's Rejectorator.