Graye wrote:Do you honestly stand by that major empires in history didn't practice slavery? I guess in the 20,000 years or so of recorded history, America was the only civilization that had slaves.. wow.
As for the "Westerner's" comment, I have my own views on different governments, as I have been all over Europe and lived there for a decent amount of time. Nice stereotyping. Really I don't feel like arguing how your view of a system that has proven to be a failure over hundreds of years is barely different than slavery. I guess facts and such just don't hold up to ideals and opinions.
Pick up Marx & Engles' Manifesto and actually read through it sometime. Yes it is a difficult read, as it pertains mostly to French society at the time, but they wrote it as a guideline for ALL aspiring governments to follow. So yeah, it does make sense for Marx to be pictured on shirt with other famous communist leaders playing a game of world domination.
Though once again, you base your arguments on your ideas and your opinions rather than backing them up with facts, so it is futile to continue this discussion.
Here are some facts--->
1.The "Westerners" comment is not intended to stereotype all Westerners. More specifically, it is based on Marx's "The German Ideology" which argues that men are historically conditioned by their material environments. It is thus difficult, though not impossible, for individuals who have been raised in Capitalist systems to fully understand/sympathize with/fight for socialism.
2. I would never imply that the US is the only country that practiced slavery. Britain and Ireland practiced slavery, for instance. "Slave labor was the characteristic form of labor in ancient society and the economic foundation of the classical Greek and Roman cultures. Long after it had vanished from the centers of European society it was reborn in the New World at the dawn of capitalist civilization and continued to flourish in the bosom of the capitalist system for three centuries and a half."( Novack, Negro Slavery in North America). But the Russians never took slaves from the other 14 republics of the Soviet Union, did they? But the goal of socialism is now "the emancipation of the working class from wage-slavery," according to Eugene V. Debs (an American!). In other words, in a country where people have no choice but to work for meager wages just to feed themselves, let alone to pay for health care which the government can't seem to provide for them, they have become slaves to their wages. The choice to leave is not, in any practical sense, their own.
3. One more fact- The Manifesto is sitting beside my bed, having been read many times. But what Marx, and the current Communist Party in America, argues against is imperialism. Instead, "Vladimir Lenin, founder of modern communism, predicted that wars would break out to redivide the world, making the era of monopoly capitalism also the era of modern imperialism" and you can read more about this here (http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/758/#2a, under the section on Capitalism in the Era of Monopoly and Imperialism.) Or better yet, read the entire thing. You may realize that while my arguments may be grounded in ideas, the ideas regarding Communism go well beyond economics. What you won't find in the Communist Manifesto, or in the CPUSA's Program, is a call for global domination. Rather, the hope is for global cooperation; the working men of all countries, after all, have been called to unite.