spiderwebb


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pillin wrote:Look, the designs on your website are pure garbage. I didn't want to have to say it, but it's true. Given that, it's pretty amazing that you have the gall to criticize other people about their creations.

I'm not sure if it's jealousy or some other base emotion that is spurring your inane attacks on this design, but it's bordering on ridiculous now. If you don't like the design, fine, don't vote for it. You don't have to attack the creator of it with your snobby, unjustified attitude.

If a stick-figure design is getting votes, obviously people like it. If it bothers you so much, submit something "artistic" and see how well you do - given the designs I've seen from your site, I wont be surprised if your "art" doesn't make it.



I completely agree.

spiderwebb


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Kidgoldstein wrote:Yeah I don't see many olive shirts, so I thought it might be a nice change... any suggestions on colors?



yea that tough, I'm not real familiar with what wins on woot, but maybe a black or blue shirt?

guildmasterx


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Re: Grim Optimism



When I saw the derby was "optimism" I wrote off having to buy any shirts this round. The surprise after clicking the thumbnail was great, and I'd definitely get this. Great work.

cak3


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Re: Cheer Up! She Found You.



Yea, I agree with many of the people here, this one GMV just for the art. Great job boots, your shirts are always awesome.

HeartlineTwist


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Whatintheworldisthat wrote:Grr. My favorite designs have failed to fog in the past 3 derbies .



This still has PLENTY of time to just randomly start skyrocketing.

cak3


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Re: Half Full Wins



Really cool, but I would prefer the design off-center somehow, maybe like that one coffee/battery one from a while ago.

cak3


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Re: Grim Optimism



Oh wow, the reaper came as a surprise. No wonder this is in the fog. GMV, just for the awesome reaper. Also, the squirrel is kinda cute, too.

HeartlineTwist


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kmf600 wrote:Umm, its a shirt, stop being a dumb ass.



There's so many things wrong with this statement. How am I being a dumb ass by pointing out that the Row v. Wade shirt is plastering a controversial subject across a shirt for no real reason? Your logic of "it's a shirt" justifies all sorts of other controversial topics getting shirt prints or being "good" ideas.

I mean, really, what makes Row v. Wade a good concept as a shirt and not tacky/tasteless? It's a shirt, but that doesn't address either of my criticisms as to why it is a TERRIBLE shirt.

HeartlineTwist


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EDIT: Posting at four in the morning apparently makes me lose track and double post. My apologies.

Re: Easy Optimism



Hell, from a critical standpoint, it's not even fair to lump all stick figure styles together. I count 2 stick figure designs in the top 15 of this derby, but just the stylistic differences between the figures alone proves that a wholesale dismissal of stick figures is unwarranted.

Also, discussion of dailies in relation to derby entries is just poor. It makes people sound incredibly, INCREDIBLY petty. Daily entries aren't voted on by the public. So when crappy dailies make it, people have every right to balk because the decision to pick that shirt was made by a very small number of people. Derby entries are voted on by the masses.

Let's say some of the big daily failures of the past two months had been submitted as derby entries. I can guarantee they never would have seen the light of day as a t-shirt.

That's the difference between a shirt like this and a daily. Don't act like you're crusading for the sanctity of shirt.woot, especially if you are using the poor quality of dailies in recent weeks as your battle cry.

I think this is the secret to success of stick figures: Stick figure designs, more than likely, can be churned out quickly. Stick figures make artistically executing a concept quick and easy. If the concept is stellar, most people on this site won't care what the stylistic execution is. The earlier you get your design in, the better they tend to do. That's a trend I've been observing in the past few derbies. The final contenders are usually either in the fog or on the cusp for practically the entire derby.

marzipanapple


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Re: Easy Optimism



I will firstly say that I laughed when I saw this. The implied motion of a cute happy face bag going over a curmudgeon's head is most certainly a comedic one. I think it's a clever idea that will make people smile.

However (and I may ruffle some feathers with this) I agree with BOTH sides. While I think that such a cute, lighthearted idea should have a chance at winning I also strongly believe that these types of 'low-effort entries' (sekiyoku, please forgive me if this is the wrong term, but I'm assuming that this didn't take you very long to execute) are encouraging those who pour great effort into their shirts to drop off. Simply: Why should an artist who usually spends 5 hours or more on a shirt design even try if someone can come in, sketch up something in an hour or less, and then sweep up with it?

Truly, we artists should just suck it up and keep up our determination ...but I'd be surprised if you could honestly tell me that you wouldn't be even slightly disappointed to see a 'low effort entry' pass the entry that you worked into the wee hours to render. The life lesson truly is "Life ain't fair", as not everyone who works hard will receive the reward they want, but I'm really hoping to hear that we can all at least empathize with this situation. We need more empathy, people. Less bickering.

What REALLY gets me miffed lately: people assuming that 'artistic' means 'Monet' or 'shapely paint blotches'. 'Artistic' as defined by the Internets -- "Showing imagination and skill." If someone is going to get paid $1000+ for a design and get the honor of being printed, I am going to feel robbed if I see a winning entry that seemingly took no effort at all(while I can clearly see that the shirt I wanted to win had much effort put into it). HOWEVER, not *all* of this 'effort' should be confined to the artwork itself. It should be everyone's responsibility to recognize that sometimes the great effort is in the idea and cleverness of an entry(and perhaps some we think are 'easy' weren't actually all that easy for the artist). It takes skill and time to come up with a witty idea too, you know.

That said, I don't believe this is the *most* clever of the entries... but I do believe that my opinion is just that. Mine. Whatever happens, a majority of Wooters wanted it to happen. We should feel privileged to be given the chance to win a thousand plus smackeroos AND get printed. There's no need to be snotty or mean.


Lastly, a conductor of an orchestra may not play the instruments his/herself...but a good one can pick out a flat note a mile away. A good one can tell when the orchestra is playing together or just reading the music. Using the argument "If you can't do it better, then that means you're wrong" isn't a very valid one and is also rather infuriating. : ( For instance, I can give a couple of very good reasons as to why Nickleback shouldn't be considered 'quality music' (and I'm not in a band). I don't like the band M.I.A. very much, but I can tell you that most of what it puts out is more thought out and worked on than anything of Nickleback's. M.I.A. isn't catering to people for popularity...they're working hard, creating what they love, and if people like it, so be it. Nickleback's songs are formulaic and repetitive. Something they *know* will probably make them money. And while there's nothing wrong with that, there are those of us who can tell the difference...without having our own band.

lucky1988


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Re: A Wonderful Day



Such a cutie in the midst of chaos. Hope you make it in the top 3. gmv!

uglyfatjoe


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Re: Half Full Wins



Great. This should be battling for the top 3 spots right now.

AdderXYU


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pillin wrote:Sekiyoku already explained why you failed, but I'll just add a few words.

What Adder is doing is being a hypocrite. There is a pretty big difference between simply being a critic_ vs. being a critic_ and trying (but failing) to do better than the one you are criticizing - kinda like what happened to you here. All I have to say is l2p.



I don't think anyone with half a brain or eye and a long enough woot track record to recall a recent submission from me would say "that Adder, he really thinks his work is amazing".

I will, however, say that I believe EVERY SINGLE THING I have ever entered, from the worst to the best, is better than stick figures. Except that one time I made stick figures. It was a Leap Year derby, I don't think anyone wasted time on real effort there.

Of course, since you're being critical of my work, I'm sure you've had top 10 derby entries, right? I'm sure you've had winning designers say "man, pillin, I really dig this entry." Because I believe by your logic, if you haven't, you have no right to comment on anything. The fact is that your argument is invalid, but the facts according to you state you have nothing worth saying about it anyway.

Skill and intellect are not the same thing. Get the latter, and I'll get the former, and it'll be a fair fight.

wallyrit


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LeetRantipole wrote:This is a cute design, but I'm confused about who the celestial objects are! If the white one's the moon, and the next one up is the sun... what are the others?


If you read the comments, they have been called, russian dolls, egg-creatures, and now celestial objects. This just testifies to the brilliance of the concept. What is seen testifies to who the viewer is and where they are in their life.

I've always thought of them as just being "Huggies". If we all were to dedicate ourselves more to hugging eventually the entire planet, represented by the earth, would be enveloped. If you were to personify a hug, he would look something like these guys.

bandit8463


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This might be the cutest thing I have ever seen an I don't usually like shirt with huge centered images. GMV!

midga59


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bendingsands wrote:The first thing I thought when seeing this is 'what does it mean?' It'll never win if one can't get the meaning right away. The title doesn't help me understand this any better either.



Er....you have lemons. You make lemon-aid. I don't see this as a particularly difficult concept, personally. Maybe it's lack of familiarity with the colloquialism? This design is rather cute, and a nice swerve around the standard interpretation of this derby theme. Mad props yo.

BootsBoots


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Re: Can you spot the optimist?



I like it on the red. I always like your color choices. I think it's one of your strengths as a designer. And this design has my vote. I like.


mulholls


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OK - seriously, most of you guys (and I use the term pretty specifically) need to
lighten up. Optimist does not carry the connotation of psychologically damaged!

choptop82


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Re: I Hope She's Here



Um... those are copyrighted characters and stolen art....

AdderXYU


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choptop82 wrote:Um... those are copyrighted characters and stolen art....



Pff, woot loves that. It's the text that would get this rejected.

FancyDad


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marzipanapple wrote:This is your *first* design? Fantastic. I love the colors and he's definitely a very happy tiki. The placement and the way it fits on the shirt is great too. : )



It's my *first* woot



DawnOctopus


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Re: Optimistic Courtship



I absolutely adore this shirt!!!! I would buy at least 1, probably more...

dangurous


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Re: Easy Optimism



wow, look at all you optimistic people. this shirt is one of the most controversial in this derby, which is supposed to make happy. i say this having seen only this shirt. i saw it in today's woot o the day comments. and quite simply: i want one. the message of this derby is to be cheery and upbeat and two moody stick figures works. period.

34 woots for shirts, most recent: 10/23/12: Fresh Cake Remix (L); 9/22/10 - iHome Optical Netbook Mouse; 7/12/10 - Woot Off Lights; 5/26/10 - Jolly Roger Floor Mat; 11/23/09 - Memorex 720p HD Mini Camcorder; 3/23/09 - iRobot Roomba 535 Robotic Vacuum

okybibuy


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sekiyoku wrote:Just a quick fun idea that I had. Everyone's allowed a stick figure entry every few derbies, right? :D



Some really popular non-shirt.woot shirts are stick figures. They're simple but still aesthetically pleasing. 8D

dangurous


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Re: An Optimistic Honey Heist



Ovaltina, my goat this shirt is so cute!

34 woots for shirts, most recent: 10/23/12: Fresh Cake Remix (L); 9/22/10 - iHome Optical Netbook Mouse; 7/12/10 - Woot Off Lights; 5/26/10 - Jolly Roger Floor Mat; 11/23/09 - Memorex 720p HD Mini Camcorder; 3/23/09 - iRobot Roomba 535 Robotic Vacuum

FancyDad


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Re: The Counter-Productive Optimist



fun design, great colors. I like darker shirts



peasupplyco


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jabbasi wrote:I really don't understand. Did the jedis find a new religion or something?



i dont get it either.. what does it mean??

cobolisdead


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Leahbh wrote:I know! This is probably the only shirt I'd actually buy this week. I don't understand why more people don't like it.



Yeah, someone told me that Wooters don't want Christmas shirts.

You can ride with me, or you can find your own path. Don't stab me in the back after I've cleared the way.

goodedesign


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KerryKool wrote:its a great design and everything, but in some cultures that sign means a$$hole. Just a heads up for the shirt.woot travelers.



Well, that is true optimism then! You should be optimistic that it would be read as "OKAY" rather than "A55hole."

[url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=8016]

goodedesign


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Re: Good Job!



and in some cultures, this means "up yours."

[url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=8016]

goodedesign


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Re: Room for Optimism



VERY NICE! I would add some random comment about an art style like "constructivist," or something to sound like I know what I'm talking about... but that would just be pretentious.

[url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=8016]

bmckay


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Woot reference? Last time I checked, woot didn't invent the idea of a random bag.

moran31


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Spomo wrote:You have to love the people that just joined like yesterday are the ones being all, Ovaltina, my goat this is epic..........



Well, it was nice anyways, dont know if thats a bash at me, or at them, but anywho.....i guess thanks?

moran31


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moran31


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tgentry wrote:Hahah, no that would be pretty cool, but I have a regular job. This is just for fun.



Do you work in a art related field?

FancyDad


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Re: He's totally gonna make it.



very cute cool indie. would make a fine shirt for anyones collection



FancyDad


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Re: Grow, Flower, Grow!



this one's got legs!



choptop82


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peasupplyco wrote:i dont get it either.. what does it mean??



I think it means 12 year olds dig drawing lightsabers.

choptop82


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kamz wrote:Thanks for the links, though I strongly disagree that this is a shortcut to the fogs-atleast that was not an intention. This design I felt really brings out a persons attitude about life, kinda like the 1/2 empty-1/2 full glass, hence put in as an entry. Urtawkin2adork83 I liked your link a lot, would have been easier to trace & cleanup than the original tiny gif I used, but kids I feel reflect optimism more than a lady dressingup - though that completely personal. Anyways if you like it & you really think it reflects the theme do woot for it - I promise there are no benign/evil intentions on my part.



But it's just someone else's art (a pretty famous image too) run through illustrator's smart draw and slapped on a template. You didn't even really edit anything about it.

j0naht


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Re: It's the End of the World as We know it...(R.E.M.)



I think it looks pretty nice! The colors especially.