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Finley4 wrote:There is large part of my generation that thinks that an adult regressing to the level of a preschooler is a good thing instead of Michael Jackson creepy. This makes me sad.

And I wasn't complaining about this entry. I was just commenting on the idea that you should make your clothing decisions to suit people so dumb they can't fathom what it could possibly mean unless it's a blank eyed zombie animal doing something cute.

hahah well my shirt is easy on the brain. well dont worry too much finley i think deadfrog has me beat.

misterdo wrote:Sweet design Mike. I think we should get a jump on it this next time around.

i think you might be right

DeadFrog wrote:Really Dankstick? I'm pretty sure most people don't spend all of their time browsing images on the internet. Most of us don't even do a search for images to rip off before we start our designs. Hard to imagine right?

Good stuff TGentry.

He said he didn't see it before and I'm inclined to believe him. My guess was incorrect, but it was an understandable guess in my opinion given the similarity. I don't care what most people/most of us do in any capacity and I certainly believe tgentry is not plagiarizing designs or images.

dea007 wrote:So, this is where I think that you're either (a) wrong or (b) confused. This isn't an art competition--this is a t-shirt competition. Now that's not saying that you should just put poo on the shirt and call it good, but just because it's artistic doesn't mean that it should win. There are pieces of art that I would definately not wear.

I disagree with you. The point of the derbies is to create unique, original, individual designs. They're not looking for Wal-Mart type shirts; they're looking for art on a shirt. I think that there are t-shirts like a Chargers football team shirt and there are amazing artistic shirts. Shirts can be another, currently very popular, medium for art. Not everyone uses them as such, but I think the point of the derbies and websites like Teefury, Designbyhumans, etc. have the goal of finding art.

McFishSoap wrote:Anyone who has seen the Ckelebrity Jeopardy skits (SNL) would be unable to take that title seriously.

Yeah...I was thinking the same thing...Sean Connery.

marmls2m wrote:i disgree with that. it would be a business if the results were chosen by woot itself as part of a greater business decision. however, the results are chosen by the users, the voters, and regardless of how woot themselves feel about the design, as long as it meets the qualifications, it will print, and the artist will be rewarded.

if you are arguing that woot incorporates the derby into their business model than yes, you are correct. however the derby itself is not a business. it is sponsored by a business but the derby does not create any commerce in and of itself.

shirt.woot+derby=business

derby=/=business

So you're saying it's not a business because the Woot staff don't effect the vote of the product - just the people do. But just because they don't pick the winner doesn't mean it's not a business, any business that sells product relies on the consumer to chose the products they want to buy. The brilliance of the derby is that it actually gets them to VOTE on it before even selling the product. But that is still business.

The derby does create commerce, there's ads on the sidebars and it drives traffic to shirt.woot, wine.woot and woot itself.

By your logic, American Idol would not be a business, it would be strictly a talent show for the benefit of the people, because the people choose the winner. Good luck trying to convince me that American Idol is not a business venture.

yodal wrote:hahah well my shirt is easy on the brain. well dont worry too much finley i think deadfrog has me beat.

You're still up by a margin on shirt derby stats.

Finley4 wrote:
And I wasn't complaining about this entry. I was just commenting on the idea that you should make your clothing decisions to suit people so dumb they can't fathom what it could possibly mean unless it's a blank eyed zombie animal doing something cute.

I don't alter my clothing decisions to suit people, yada, yada, yada.
I simply stated it would be nice for a change not to have to explain my t-shirt.

Re: I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.

I like this shirt alot, voted for it, and will buy it if it prints!

I really love the textural strokes on the wave. I've noticed over the past couple weeks that I really enjoy your style.

Re: Red Wheelbarrow -William Carlos Williams

cool, more t-shirts inspired by poetry please!

AdderXYU wrote:and I would say that Mr. Frost is more "quote" than Dr. Seuss. Which I think is more what woot is looking for.

You say potato, I say patato.

Re: Float Like A Butterfly and Sting Like a Bee

I really thought your design would be ranked higher, because you used famous slogan and executed it very well. I saw you added someone knocked out in another entry, but I think maybe more details around the butterfly-bee like big flowing lines might've given this design some extra votes. But I voted for it, and dig it.

thatrobert wrote:

Ah, thanks once again!

AdderXYU wrote:I think it's an important point to continue making. You could easily have made this first, but you know what? You didn't. You waited until half the site was trying to (please recall RIGHTFULLY) get your other, easy, cute design rejected before starting this. To be honest, this is vague enough that you may have done this weeks or months earlier, even. Obviously it's in the fog now. Why not just save yourself some grief, and show off your worthwhile work FIRST?

But then, would it be in the fog at all without the pandaversy? That's a huge question, isn't it? because we all know you're getting votes from angry panda fans. And we also know you're getting goodwill votes from people saying "Oh look, he can do better work than the pandas. I'll vote for this to show him he CAN win with good work, or else to reward him for showing what he's made of."

I don't see how anyone can see this as anything but a calculated business move. By being so wrapped up in winning, you begin calling your every damn move into question. And you know that. You knew you'd still get grief. Now you're a victim. That mean old Adder is still attacking you. Because you still deserve it. It's all calculated. It's not about art. You've done too much pandering for a quick buck for me to believe it's at all about art for you. And that should never be supported.

So long as you run a risk of making one red cent off playing this competition as a business move, you don't deserve to. If this is what you're capable of, why submit the pandas at all? Why defend them so blindly and desperately, and THEN submit this? Because it's a win-win. If it lost, it's "evidence" that it isn't worth your time to submit anything more detailed. If it caught on, you could possibly grab 2K with both designs. If pandas got rejected, you had every likelihood all the panda voters would vote this up in spite. Calculated business move. Not art. It is not a dead horse until you actually man up and decide that you're going to compete with skill instead of cheapshots. You can play the "hoho he's funny with his pictures" card all you want, but it does not change the fact that you are an opportunist first and an artist after.

At the end of the day, it's just a T-shirt.

eHalcyon wrote:I highly recommend it. And not to spoil anything, but it also fleshes out a very flat and undeveloped character from Jane Eyre, which is why I liked it so much.

Just popping in to say that I had to read both Jane Eyre and Wide Sargasso Sea for a literature class... Wide Sargasso Sea is an absolute pain to read... but afterward there's a certain pride in digesting its hazy, dreamlike prose. And its reinterpretation of the characters is very fascinating. Not to give anything away, but the anti-colonial metaphor it develops is very fascinating.

kdubbs29 wrote:Thanks for your support. It will be for sale somewhere eventually.

Got my vote AGAIN but if it doesn't make it to sale, please let me know where I will be able to purchase it. Definitely don't think the previous rejection of this was fair and want to make sure I support your design of this great quote from a great hero.

thatrobert wrote:

Thank you for the Best Loser award!

I can't believe I even got this far in the derby; thanks to everyone for your support and votes. I'll see you all next week!

BoredStiff wrote:At the end of the day, it's just a T-shirt.

Which is a horrible argument. Why not have the best stuff win, then. It's just a t-shirt, right?

If it is more than a tshirt to some of us, but to others of us it is a disposable novelty, then I think it's clear which side should win. Because the "just a t-shirt" side has no right to get upset if what they want doesn't place. It's just a tshirt, right?

re: catch 22

I will "lawl" if this ends with 22 votes :3

BoredStiff wrote:At the end of the day, it's just a T-shirt.

Note that you could use the "it's just a ___" argument against passionate ideas regarding almost any issue and, taken to its logical conclusion, you'd only be justified in caring about things that are absolutely life and death. Sounds like kind of a dreary existence, if you ask me, never caring about art, music, or beauty.

omnitarian wrote:Just popping in to say that I had to read both Jane Eyre and Wide Sargasso Sea for a literature class... Wide Sargasso Sea is an absolute pain to read... but afterward there's a certain pride in digesting its hazy, dreamlike prose. And its reinterpretation of the characters is very fascinating. Not to give anything away, but the anti-colonial metaphor it develops is very fascinating.

I found WSS a much easier read than Jane Eyre, but that may have had more to do with sheer length of text amidst IB exams and such.

IndependentVik wrote:Sounds like kind of a dreary existence, if you ask me, never caring about art, music, or beauty.

Meh. It's just existence.

Frostbiter wrote:Great quote and idea... Only thing is, I don't think you can have gradients...

Woot can do simple gradients, but I'm not sure about these.

Re: I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.

I love the art style on this one, very kick-ass. GMV.

eHalcyon wrote:Meh. It's just existence.

"ROFL" doesn't even begin to cover it. Well-played, Sir.

IndependentVik wrote:Note that you could use the "it's just a ___" argument against passionate ideas regarding almost any issue and, taken to its logical conclusion, you'd only be justified in caring about things that are absolutely life and death. Sounds like kind of a dreary existence, if you ask me, never caring about art, music, or beauty.

I like art, music, and beauty. What I consider each of those to be may (or may not)differ from what you or Adder feel "deserves" to be in said category. (I happen to hate Jason Mraz, but hey, he's got himself a nice niche)

This is not an art contest, it's a t-shirt contest. For a for-profit deal-a-day site.

Whether it is "art" or not is really not up to me to judge. I do not need to hold an MFA to click the "I want one button." I do not look down on those who vote or like a t-shirt design that is different from my personal preference. All I need is $10 bucks and an online account, and I can get the shirt I want, and ignore the shirt I do not.

In my opinion. there are some great artists out there who make a very lucrative pop-commercial living. There are some great artists out there who are starving and can't (or won't) sell a print if their mortgage depended on it. Whether they do it for money or not does NOT make them an artist. I know some pretty horrific starving artists, who, based on my opinion of their work, sorta deserve to starve because well, they kinda sorta suck. But again, it's just my opinion, and does not effect my life much.

One person may spend 5 minutes on a design that is crowd pleasing and sells well. Another may spend 3 years on a piece that is god awful and would make their own mother's cringe. Both (or neither) can be art. Sometimes, critics (whether or not they are other "artists") spend so much time on their high horses with their noses in the air, they sometimes miss some pretty cool shi(r)t because they were too busy staring at the sky (or their own reflection, which also may or may not be art.)

Having said all that...do I have an MFA? Yes. Have I exhibited in galleries? Yes. Have I been to some of the "great" museums of the world and appreciated everything I saw? Yes. Have I been to some really amazing starving artist galleries and walked away dumbfounded that this person or that person isn't recognized as a a "transcendent genius whose boots I am unworthy of licking?" Yes. Does any of that make my vote or want of a particular cotton garment on a deal-of-a-day site more valid than someone who just really likes pandas? Nope.

After all, it's just a t-shirt.

And I tend to go for the funny ones.

Re: With Up So Floating Many Bells Down

Hey, thanks to the few who have voted and the even fewer who have left comments. I find the theory that the lack of votes is due to lack of cute animals kind of funny because the vast majority of my derby entries have been cutesy.

spanishmel wrote:I really love the textural strokes on the wave. I've noticed over the past couple weeks that I really enjoy your style.

Thanks! I have been trying to develop it, and weekly Woot entries definitely help. Maybe someday Woot voters will enjoy it too.

BoredStiff wrote:I like art, music, and beauty. What I consider each of those to be may (or may not)differ from what you or Adder feel "deserves" to be in said category. (I happen to hate Jason Mraz, but hey, he's got himself a nice niche)

This is not an art contest, it's a t-shirt contest. For a for-profit deal-a-day site.

Whether it is "art" or not is really not up to me to judge. I do not need to hold an MFA to click the "I want one button." I do not look down on those who vote or like a t-shirt design that is different from my personal preference. All I need is $10 bucks and an online account, and I can get the shirt I want, and ignore the shirt I do not.

In my opinion. there are some great artists out there who make a very lucrative pop-commercial living. There are some great artists out there who are starving and can't (or won't) sell a print if their mortgage depended on it. Whether they do it for money or not does NOT make them an artist. I know some pretty horrific starving artists, who, based on my opinion of their work, sorta deserve to starve because well, they kinda sorta suck. But again, it's just my opinion, and does not effect my life much.

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After all, it's just a t-shirt.

And I tend to go for the funny ones.

I like funny shirts, too. I also, believe it or not, was not arguing against your position on what you feel the t-shirt medium is all about (I don't agree with it wholly, but neither do I disagree with it altogether, either). All I was saying was that the "it's just a ___" argument is annoying and could be applied to almost anything that people feel strongly about.

thatrobert wrote:

Thanks so much!

Re: Music is my religion - Jimi Hendrix

Good use of color and patterning and halftones!

IndependentVik wrote:I like funny shirts, too. I also, believe it or not, was not arguing against your position on what you feel the t-shirt medium is all about (I don't agree with it wholly, but neither do I disagree with it altogether, either). All I was saying was that the "it's just a ___" argument is annoying and could be applied to almost anything that people feel strongly about.

I was just going for a flippant play on the "At the end of the day, it's just work" quote. Sort of liked the simple irony of responding to a quote-themed derby with a quote. But now that I think of it, I have no idea who is attributed to the original quote. I just sort of assumed it was in the bible somewhere, but then again, maybe it was just Jim at work. (You'd like Jim, he's funny AND topical).

My rant wasn't aimed at you, you were just a messenger in the thread, so I shot. (Another quote!). I just found the whole absurdity of comparing a woot t-shirt to the Sistine Chapel both humorous and hubris-ness (again, not you, but your recent quote made for a convenient target). And after days of seeing back and forth holier-than-thou-edness across multiple threads, finally felt like chiming in.

I'll go back to my hole now, limiting myself to the occasional one-two sentence throw-away post (which are usually found amusing only by myself and a select group of similarly-minded bottom feeders).

As an aside, to DeadFrog, bought the Lion, Witch, and Wardrobe shirt for my wife and she loves it, and the TMNT shirt for a friend and he loves it. Keep doing what makes you happy, and do what you need to to pay the bills. I think this design is great, but I wouldn't personally buy it. I do, however, know a panda fan who I would have picked up your other entry for. And that's sort of what makes this site what it is. I'm not looking for art...I'm looking for something that will bring a smile to my face, or the face of someone I like.

And keep plugging along. You've got talent. Do what you love doing, and success will follow. And if it doesn't, well, the world needs ditch diggers ;). (quote alert!)

I've now officially used my allotment of words for one week, and I need to get up early tomorrow. But this sure was cheaper than therapy.

Re: Big Brother Is Watching You

i haven't looked in all week, and WOW! This is the bomb!

re: i am become death, the destroyer of worlds.

Here is my take on it:

Is it slightly off-topic? Yes.

Is it more off-topic than other shirts which have printed, despite pages and pages of rambling in protest? Hell no.

Is it an awesome design? In my opinion: yes.

However, I'm not voting. My reasoning has nothing to do with how on-topic it may or may not be. It stems from the colors of the shirt.

We have a black/gold design on a navy shirt. It just doesn't flow, to me. It looks as though the design were just slapped onto some shirt, whereas I feel that the shirt's color should compliment the design with which it's merged.

Beautiful design, but I can't help but think it's a little tacky-looking, for lack of a better word.

That's my $.02. - Hey, was there a shirt made from that saying?

Re: Call me, Ishmael

love!

Re: Muhammed Ali

wish this had more votes. i really like it

Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=32094]

I would just like to say that I wish you had commented more thoroughly on your design when you posted it, explaining what it was. The first few times I looked at it I thought the design was pretty cool and well done, but I didn't get how it illustrated the quote and therefore didn't vote. It was until I was bored and browsing again that I saw the your comment that this was a panda. And then BAM my mind was blown and I realized it was a panda pretending to be a lion. Then I got it. And then you GMV.

Wish I had gotten it sooner. I wonder how many others didn't vote because they didn't get it right away either.

eHalcyon wrote:Hey, thanks to the few who have voted and the even fewer who have left comments. I find the theory that the lack of votes is due to lack of cute animals kind of funny because the vast majority of my derby entries have been cutesy.

No. It's a good clean design, but unlike some others who think buying a Christmas-y shirt in June is a swell idea, I personally don't wear any holiday themed shirts ever.

Would have gotten my vote had it been on blue or something.