eHalcyon wrote:Ramy's work isn't live-traced. That's not the issue I'm talking about. Even then, it's still possible to be civil. It might do you some good to try it.
"It is clear to me that the average wooter has zero respect for quality work and creative work and simple respect for the people who can do it by only respecting the people doing the opposite."
I think you missed a few words there or tacked a few too many on; the sentence doesn't make sense.
I'm not playing devil's advocate now. I'm saying that bandying about insults is fruitless and even harmful to the growth and improvement of the site. The assertion is independent of which side you're on - whether you're arguing for or against whatever issue, fanatic and caustic commentary simply isn't helpful. That the "other side is no less disrespectful" is just another side of the problem which I'm speaking against. If you think I'm defending those people, you are sorely mistaken.
And really, that's no excuse for doing the same thing. It's a childish argument; sinking to their level is not the way to make positive change. Someone has to rise above. Or is it too difficult to make a point without some derisive ad hominem comments?
Then be the one. If you're so damned smart, be the one. See how fast people turn on you when you utter even the gentlest whisper of the idea that maybe, just maybe, woot is leaning too hard on the ignorant button and not hard enough on the creative one. What a crying shame that'll be, sir... you only have a reputation for being wise and well-spoken because what you say is so vanilla... UNLESS you are criticizing mean people. OH THOSE MEAN PEOPLE, they are so horrible. Great. Start crusading for something more meaningful to the site, and see how much headway you get.
The fact is that between the scads of ramys in the derby (the ones who put out mediocre work every week knowing people will eat it up... the ones who have perfected the victim card, as you've proven time and again to fall for... the ones who would leave woot in a second if they ever started printing on merit) and the livetrace kings in the dailies (who are defended as vanguards of art, despite using limited artistic elements, illegally obtained source material, and no sense of propriety to admit to it), there is very little you can say which would pass your own tact meter while also adequately explaining how wrong it is. And these are the people the masses defend? How do you explain why photo theft is wrong to someone who insists that it doesn't matter, they liked the shirt, so it should be in their hands? How do you explain why Ramy's bunnies have outlived their prime to the same sorts of people who buy fan-art based on characters they own entire books worth of legit art from? How can you help someone rationalize why a shirt is not still good even though it has been done 1000 times before? It doesn't work, and nothing is done by tiptoeing around it. What is done by insulting them? same amount of nothing, but people get to say "thank god SOMEONE said it. now I don't have to!" When you're spewing offensive ideas like popularity being superior to quality, or like theft of concept or literal source being appropriate solely because you like it, you deserve to be offended back. How can you be civil to people who don't use the greatest gift humans were given? And no, I don't mean the thumb.
I am not here to be loved. I have garnered the respect of many people without resorting to some idealistic, idiotic fantasy world where everyone gets along. Yknow why? Because in the real world, no one gets to tell their jerk of a boss "hey boss, you're a jerk. go to hell". But they all want to. Do not underestimate how many people appreciate the delivery as well as the message. And furthermore, do not underestimate the fact that just having anyone dare to stand up to the unfairness and ignorance of this site is, to most people educated enough to grasp the fact that there needs to be reform here, enough. People may not agree with my methods, but that doesn't prevent them from agreeing. Because the message speaks for itself.
If you really think it can be done some other way, do it. Stop being the naive peacemaker, and stop shielding work you don't respect simply because "Oh my god, you people are so mean". When you defend these people, you imply you respect them, and when you respect these people, you imply you agree with what they do. If you really care about woot changing, use that golden tongue of yours and prove me wrong about whether you can catch more flies with honey. But actually work to change things, not to make this Disney World. I'd love to see you succeed. But if you care, you sure do spend a lot of time defending the people who are destroying the site, and trying to discredit the people putting in the effort to do anything to fix things. It's really hard to see what you actually value when you spend four paragraphs stating why you feel an unimportant facet of an opinion is wrong and therefore unfair, and then only two sentences wrapping up that you don't actually care about the piece you defended. So either put in your own effort, or stop pretending it means anything to you. If you think the movement is noble but the mouthpiece is weak, prove that changing the dialog will change anything. Until then, I will call a spade a spade and be quite unconcerned if people can't handle it.