kenforst


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I love seeing artists with real creative skills and obviously functioning thought processing get their due recognition. I like to see bad people get their due too. I don't care for being in the water, and I hate broccoli.
SO- I'm imagining this mask belongs to a member of HolyGoods- an international organization of Vegetarian Scientologists who attempt to enslave the world to their way of eating. Their logo is a dark green sprig of yucky broccoli on a chartreuse square, and it appears on the mask.
This is the remains of Jontom Cruizavolta, Chief Chef and last of the HolyGoods. He has been defeated by our hero, Kaptain Omnivore. Roll credits.

spongecake


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I like, what I thought was, a kind of vintage, steampunk-ish quality to this illustration.

But, I found it interesting to learn (from the photo jewelwing posted) that this is actually a contemporary (I think) diving helmet, and that our artist is actually a diver, too. Impressive!

Edit:
jewelwing's diving helmet photo is approx. one third of the way down the pressure lessens derby page.


wallyrit


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aayjay wrote:Jewelwing is on a roll, man. Congrats. Cool helmet thing.



She is on a roll.

Well deserved though!

rglee129


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Another print?! Wow! You go, girl! Excellent work.

DoublEE


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AdderXYU wrote:yeah, this week is really hammering home how much BETTER the derby would be without that voting nonsense.



I agree. Why sell people what they've taken the time to say they like. Brilliant.

DoublEE


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AdderXYU wrote:Retail doesn't "work" by selling the most.

Retail works by selling the best, and selling enough of it for everyone to profit.

Woot does that profit thing, without a doubt, 28 nights a month. They just need the quality product.



I can appreciate this whole tortured art-nick socialist act you've got here but your loose grip on reality is scary.

Ask any successful retailer..they want to sell the most.

Nice design...impractical t-shirt.

jewelwing


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Well I love the stories offered up so far on this! I think this is one where you get to pick what you want it to be about and go with that. Here's a re-write of what I was thinking it was about...

The thing in the reflection is an ROV. The is supposed to be a futuristic image of a time when ROVs have replaced divers and all the diver's equipment has become obsolete. So they're just chucking it overboard because they don't need it anymore. Here an ROV comes across one of these abandoned relics on the ocean floor. Creepy, yes. Dead diver, no.

Although, I don't think that's as fun as the story of Ning-Ning, so pick the one you want. I might be going with that one from now on.

I've been trying to do something for divers for a long time, so it's pretty sweet that one made it at last. Hope you all enjoy and thank you!

coachbob


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I voted for this shirt in both derbies. I was am so happy to see it made editors pick. Thanks Woot!

cappomutato


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When you do a Google Search for broccoli and then you… oh, right, sorry, sorry.



Dang, I don't get the reference. Can someone clear this one up?

EDIT: Oh, found it. Okay, then. Didn't quite realize the controversy behind One Cheer For Broccoli. I guess I won't submit my idea for WOO HOO OBAMA.

yay taco

reedfive


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UnFlammable wrote:Shouldn't that be "one oxygen for every two hydrogens"?

Fish don't swim in Hydroperoxyl radicals, I don't think, I don't think.



No, its H2O two hydrogen, one oxygen. H-O-H

SpastasticNomadic


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AdderXYU wrote:I will state again, since I don't think I've ever heard anyone disagree: Top Vote Getter, Woot's fog favorite (even better if the fog expands), and one EC from anywhere in the derby.

Combined with regular do-overs, it would increase woot quality EXPONENTIALLY




Yes, yes, yes.

Another fantastic pick, you sexy lil editors. I've bought more shirts this week than I have all year.

Congrats, jw! This is one of my favourites of yours and it seems you're having an unbelievable printweek. I'll be dragging these on my dive trips all over this rock. Love it.

pgizzle


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woah woah woah, I thought water was two hydrogens for each oxygen?

jaykid007


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In for 1!

Nvncibl


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Great design.

As for the two reflected lights on the mask... I see what looks like a submersible in the reflection, with the power and air lines coming down above it. The lights coming from the Fore and Aft of the vessel, like its searching for the lost diver (and finding what remains)

Sad but still a cool shirt. I'm a Noob diver and can relate.

maximutt


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Very nostalgic......I have a similar helmet hanging on a post in my backyard, I made it back from Davy Jones' place.

jewelwing


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Is anyone else seeing the ad up top for MiniROVs here? Strange...

jmmbell1987


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DoublEE wrote:I agree. Why sell people what they've taken the time to say they like. Brilliant.



I think the problem is that it takes all of half a second to say you like something, and you don't even need to see the full design to do so. This opens the door to "CUTE BUNNY/PENGUIN/DOG!" thumbnail voting, which we see time and time again.

Threadless has a system that allows users to vote (and you have to see the full design to do so) but that doesn't bind the printing process to votes, and it works damn well, I think.


DoublEE wrote:
Nice design...impractical t-shirt.



This makes no sense. There's nothing impractical about wearing a nice design.

bcsoccer17


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Great design, wonderful artwork -- though I'm not sure it's something I could just wear around. Either way, it's still amazing....and pisgah forest is right around the corner from me, so well done Jewelwing!! :D Decisions, decisions....definitely in for one!

ragecd


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Is it just me or is the beginning bold description wrong? One hydrogen for every two oxygens? Shouldn't it be 2 for 1?

Slydon


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Staff

szelagta wrote:Isn't it H2O. Water has 2 Hydrogen per one Oxygen. Someone goofed.



We just hired some Fremen and they're not really comfortable making jokes about water just yet. We'll be sure to let them know about the mistake.

Hi, I'm one of the writers. My powers are limited but I'll do what I can.

mikenytola


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AdderXYU wrote:I don't buy half the stuff I vote for.

Indeed, I don't buy really ANY of the stuff I vote for, because the shirts I want have no chance against the generic woot schlock.

But the issue is that many people actually DO want what they vote for. There are plenty of spite votes and politic votes and other ignorant votes, but the fact is I never vote for a shirt I wouldn't wear, and many people do the same.

The issue comes down to, BAD SHIRTS WIN. For whatever reason. If those votes are given by people who don't want the shirt, or if they are given by people who will buy it immediately, it is still a bad shirt and it still won. And that is the issue. Woot has hundreds of entries every week. there is no reason the worst should be winning.


That's funny, you complain about people who vote out of spite against people like you, and don't vote for the best in your eyes yet you vote for shirts you won't buy? Disagree with me as much as you want, but at least I vote only for shirts that I would buy and/or my gf would like to buy. By your own admittance you are part of the problem with the voting system. You complain about politics, yet you are the biggest voice campaigning on this site. Can you be any more of a hypocrite? Do yourself a favor and vote for a shirt you WOULD buy and stop being part of the problem you complain about so much.

JadenKale


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Slydon wrote:We just hired some Fremen and they're not really comfortable making jokes about water just yet. We'll be sure to let them know about the mistake.



Those blue-eyed, water conservationalists always seemed to have a dry sense of humor anyway.

PSORngr


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coachbob wrote:I voted for this shirt in both derbies. I was am so happy to see it made editors pick. Thanks Woot!



Me too. I'm really glad that this finally got printed.
Bought.

JadenKale


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mikenytola wrote:That's funny, you complain about people who vote out of spite against people like you, and don't vote for the best in your eyes yet you vote for shirts you won't buy? Disagree with me as much as you want, but at least I vote only for shirts that I would buy and/or my gf would like to buy. By your own admittance you are part of the problem with the voting system. You complain about politics, yet you are the biggest voice campaigning on this site. Can you be any more of a hypocrite? Do yourself a favor and vote for a shirt you WOULD buy and stop being part of the problem you complain about so much.



Who knows what reason a person can't buy what they vote for and want. Personally, I can't afford every shirt I WANT. So yes, I will vote for shirts I WANT and I WOULD PURCHASE, but when a shirt prints that I actually WANT, I may not have the funds to do so and will not have the funds by the time it's likely reckoned. Does that mean I should withdraw my vote? That seems to be a ludicrous solution. Also, 90% of what I WANT doesn't get printed, so I rarely see the pieces I WANT in production.

Your complaint is undoubtedly flawed. There can be any number of reasons why he, or anyone else for that matter, refrain from purchasing their favorite shirts that they voted for. Calling someone a hypocrite because they don't purchase a design they approve of printing lacks forethought as to the reasons why they can't drop $10 a night on a design (or suffer the penalty of an additional $5 if they miss the first day print).

mikenytola


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JadenKale wrote:Who knows what reason a person can't buy what they vote for and want. Personally, I can't afford every shirt I WANT. So yes, I will vote for shirts I WANT and I WOULD PURCHASE, but when a shirt prints that I actually WANT, I may not have the funds to do so and will not have the funds by the time it's likely reckoned. Does that mean I should withdraw my vote? That seems to be a ludicrous solution. Also, 90% of what I WANT doesn't get printed, so I rarely see the pieces I WANT in production.

Your complaint is undoubtedly flawed. There can be any number of reasons why he, or anyone else for that matter, refrain from purchasing their favorite shirts that they voted for. Calling someone a hypocrite because they don't purchase a design they approve of printing lacks forethought as to the reasons why they can't drop $10 a night on a design (or suffer the penalty of an additional $5 if they miss the first day print).


I highly doubt Adder votes for shirts and doesn't buy them because he can't afford to, just read one of the million posts about his complainants and it's easy to see that.

And what's the point of being on this site if you can't afford to buy a shirt you vote for? I understand you want to vote for maybe what you would buy or that you support good art, but if you can't buy it then why be here? I want a Porsche yet can't afford one. You don't see me at the dealership putting in my two cents on how they should design their car or run their *successful business.

So yes, by voting for a shirt you don't plan on buying, you are part of the problem of a voting system on this site. Shirts that people are here to vote for and buy may not win because of someones personal agenda being forced upon you. And that's not the only reason I called him a hypocrite btw.

Andy47240


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Dang, you're on Fire girl! Great weekend for you.



HalfWheat


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darquis2 wrote:Ok, and for the sake of it since I was being critical, here are a few that I wish would get printed/had been printed (cuz who knows how long this EC will run)

Best Worn With Goggles
Cloudmaker
Disintegration
Calling John Henry (maybe)
Stellar Effect
Mysterious Fathoms Below
Henna Hands (maybe - but I love Escher...)
Acherontia Lachesis IIIX

And don't get me wrong, Call Me, Ishmael is brilliant in both execution and concept, but is not a shirt I'd wear (and thus, buy).




I'm really hoping for Mysterious Fathoms.

There are a lot of shirts where I like the artwork, but if I'm buying a tee shirt, I want to wear it. If I was an anorexic teenager, a male, or I wore my shirts loose and baggy, it wouldn't matter as much. But with a fitted shirt over decent female assets, I look at some shirts and know that the design is going to sit in the wrong spot. No matter how much I like a design, I have to take that into consideration. Mysterious Fathoms looks like it should be very wearable. And I like the colors. And I won't need to tell anyone the title of the tee for them to "get it."

If I'm really head-over-heels about a design, I might buy it anyway, and just wear it around the house. But I can't do that too many times.

Of the others you named, I like Cloudmaker, because it's interesting. Or maybe I just like clouds.

Acherontia Lachesis IIIX is nice, too, and I like the colors, but I don't think I'd buy it. If it was in a store and I could try it on, I might give it a shot. But I think that's a design that won't look as good on a fitted shirt.

kehrnal


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UnFlammable wrote:Shouldn't that be "one oxygen for every two hydrogens"?

Fish don't swim in Hydroperoxyl radicals, I don't think, I don't think.



THANK YOU!!!
-A biochemist

ChefRAZ


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jmmbell1987 wrote:This makes no sense. There's nothing impractical about wearing a nice design.



please don't feed the trolls.

ChefRAZ


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mikenytola wrote:I highly doubt Adder votes for shirts and doesn't buy them because he can't afford to, just read one of the million posts about his complainants and it's easy to see that.

And what's the point of being on this site if you can't afford to buy a shirt you vote for? I understand you want to vote for maybe what you would buy or that you support good art, but if you can't buy it then why be here? I want a Porsche yet can't afford one. You don't see me at the dealership putting in my two cents on how they should design their car or run their *successful business.

So yes, by voting for a shirt you don't plan on buying, you are part of the problem of a voting system on this site. Shirts that people are here to vote for and buy may not win because of someones personal agenda being forced upon you. And that's not the only reason I called him a hypocrite btw.



SO three to ten woots after a year huh? and your doubting. I'd say that you most definitely vote for shirts you wont buy(just because Adder doesn't like them)your that type of person.

AdderXYU


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mikenytola wrote:That's funny, you complain about people who vote out of spite against people like you, and don't vote for the best in your eyes yet you vote for shirts you won't buy? Disagree with me as much as you want, but at least I vote only for shirts that I would buy and/or my gf would like to buy. By your own admittance you are part of the problem with the voting system. You complain about politics, yet you are the biggest voice campaigning on this site. Can you be any more of a hypocrite? Do yourself a favor and vote for a shirt you WOULD buy and stop being part of the problem you complain about so much.



Please read again, for comprehension this time. I've even bolded the important part.

AdderXYU wrote:I don't buy half the stuff I vote for.

Indeed, I don't buy really ANY of the stuff I vote for, because the shirts I want have no chance against the generic woot schlock.

ZX3Junglist


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sssssssick!! In for 1.

My god, just buy 3 and go to sleep already!!

mikeo13


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Wow wow and awesome - I work for a company full of ex-commercial divers (and engineers) that build ROVs and Submersibles.

This was so perfect I emailed them all! Wonderful design.

AdderXYU


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DoublEE wrote:I can appreciate this whole tortured art-nick socialist act you've got here but your loose grip on reality is scary.

Ask any successful retailer..they want to sell the most.

Nice design...impractical t-shirt.



You're incorrect in what constitutes "success".

Artistically, and shirt.woot is a site that, whether you care or not, MARKETS ART, you are more successful for being in the black through respectable sales than being even more in the black selling whatever.

To put it a different way: a band like Wilco (and music, again, is marketing art) is going to be able to be Wilco forever. You may have never even heard of them. You likely don't know their music if you have heard of them. But they continually sell strongly enough, and have enough critical acclaim and fan support, and successful tours, that they will be chugging along comfortably for years to come. The Jonas Brothers, on the other hand, will not. By your definition, the Jonas Brothers are more successful, but who cares? In a decade, if that long, people will forget who they even were.

You can make a comfortable artistic living without being the most profitable thing on two legs, so long as you are persistent and willing to put out quality work. People make a year's salary at Threadless by designing to their highest calibre. People make a year's salary at woot by designing to their worst. There's something wrong there. To people who care about art, THAT is what matters: being the best they can be with what they do, and profiting for who they are artistically, not what they can sell to the blithering masses. And shirt.woot, as a site which exists because people wanted to be able to reward amazing artists (ask Joel, I know he's said this before), should feel obligated to take an artistic perspective on that. You can NEVER have too much original, creative, and honest art. That is why new shirt sites crop up all the time. That is why indie labels aren't as up in arms about music sales dwindling as majors are. If your sales foster diversity and creativity and skill in creating something of quality and honesty, you may not have the 3K sellouts, but your audience will build into something organic and steady and proud to buy from woot because they're getting something different and special. Woot's normal status-quo is either printing stuff that is totally at home at the worst of the worst shirt sites, or dregs from otherwise talented artists who know it's not worth risking a print here with a design that could possibly sell anywhere else. They lose nothing by changing that except a stigma. What they gain is more integrity and, eventually, a trade off: fewer super-sales, but fewer total bombs. And that will not only keep their pockets lined, but it will allow them to say "man, we really are printing great shirts, and that makes me feel like we're making a difference to those artists we wanted to support".

brucerobb


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UnFlammable wrote:Shouldn't that be "one oxygen for every two hydrogens"?

Fish don't swim in Hydroperoxyl radicals, I don't think, I don't think.



. . . wondered how far down in the posts I'd get before someone mentioned that. . . ;-)

brucerobb


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pgizzle wrote:woah woah woah, I thought water was two hydrogens for each oxygen?



Yes it is!! It's also spelled "whoa", if you're referring to "stop in a hurry".

mikenytola


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ChefRAZ wrote:SO three to ten woot after a year huh? and your doubting. I'd say that you most definitely vote for shirts you wont buy(just because Adder doesn't like them)your that type of person.


I joined in December of last year, not quite a year. And three to ten, on just my account (10 to be exact), my gf also has an account and we get shirts for each other as well. I would have bought more if the ones I had voted on won, pretty simple. And there have been a good amount I would have purchased if they had won. Some derby's didn't have anything I would have bought so I haven't voted on them. Crazy concept I know. I just don't complain and whine like some people do when the one I wanted didn't win or about a designer for doing what they wanted to do. Ok maybe I do to my gf, but that's beacuse some shirts I really wanted!

I'm not here on a personal agenda preaching and complaining about every design or target specific designers just because I don't like them and they do not fit into my own perception of art. Or telling shirt.woot how they should run their business. Adder does just that. There are many shirts that win that I do not think highly of at all and personally think they are terrible. You don't see me posting a million complaints about the designer or shirt do you? Nope, because I see something I don't like, and move onto look at another design to see if I like that one.

AdderXYU wrote:Please read again, for comprehension this time. I've even bolded the important part.


I digress. Should have read that more carefully. I feel into the habit a bunch of people around here do and didn't carefully read it.

ChefRAZ


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AdderXYU wrote:You're incorrect in what constitutes "success".

Artistically, and shirt.woot is a site that, whether you care or not, MARKETS ART, you are more successful for being in the black through respectable sales than being even more in the black selling whatever.

To put it a different way: a band like Wilco (and music, again, is marketing art) is going to be able to be Wilco forever. You may have never even heard of them. You likely don't know their music if you have heard of them. But they continually sell strongly enough, and have enough critical acclaim and fan support, and successful tours, that they will be chugging along comfortably for years to come. The Jonas Brothers, on the other hand, will not. By your definition, the Jonas Brothers are more successful, but who cares? In a decade, if that long, people will forget who they even were.

You can make a comfortable artistic living without being the most profitable thing on two legs, so long as you are persistent and willing to put out quality work. People make a year's salary at Threadless by designing to their highest calibre. People make a year's salary at woot by designing to their worst. There's something wrong there. To people who care about art, THAT is what matters: being the best they can be with what they do, and profiting for who they are artistically, not what they can sell to the blithering masses. And shirt.woot, as a site which exists because people wanted to be able to reward amazing artists (ask Joel, I know he's said this before), should feel obligated to take an artistic perspective on that. You can NEVER have too much original, creative, and honest art. That is why new shirt sites crop up all the time. That is why indie labels aren't as up in arms about music sales dwindling as majors are. If your sales foster diversity and creativity and skill in creating something of quality and honesty, you may not have the 3K sellouts, but your audience will build into something organic and steady and proud to buy from woot because they're getting something different and special. Woot's normal status-quo is either printing stuff that is totally at home at the worst of the worst shirt sites, or dregs from otherwise talented artists who know it's not worth risking a print here with a design that could possibly sell anywhere else. They lose nothing by changing that except a stigma. What they gain is more integrity and, eventually, a trade off: fewer super-sales, but fewer total bombs. And that will not only keep their pockets lined, but it will allow them to say "man, we really are printing great shirts, and that makes me feel like we're making a difference to those artists we wanted to support".



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ChefRAZ


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mikenytola wrote: I'm not here on a personal agenda preaching and complaining about every design or target specific designers just because I don't like them and they do not fit into my own perception of art.



really with that button in your sig I would have felt differently. did you read what you typed? on a different note if your looking for an agenda heres one.http://tiny.cc/wHOdQ

HalfWheat


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I am one of the unwashed masses that should not be voting, if Adder had his way. I am nearly clueless about art when it concerns painting, drawing, or similar graphic arts. I do, however, make decent money from another art form, and I like to support artists in other fields. Buying a tee shirt now and then seems a good way.

Although I don't know the nuances in graphic arts, I know what I like. Part of that, when it comes to tee shirts, is wearability. Will the shirt look good on me? Do I like the colors? Do I like the idea behind it? Yeah, sometimes I fall for the "ooooh pretty..." but I also try to pay attention to the work involved. Was this hand-drawn or is it a bunch of clip art tossed together? Sometimes I can tell if something was difficult to do, but I can be fooled. I couldn't draw a stick figure if you gave me the stick.

I had no clue why people were so rapturous about Air. That could have come and gone and I wouldn't have cared. But the more people talked about it and described what they liked, the more I understood. Eventually, I bought it, and I'm glad I did.

Clueless people like me are going to be here, voting. I, for one, don't mind a little direction. Tell me why something has artistic merit, and I'll look a little closer. As far as getting rid of the "bad" art as Adder hopes, it seems to me that saying rude things about the art you don't like just draws more attention to it. And it might get sympathy votes.

Constructive criticism is one thing. And calling out the ones that use someone else's photos or otherwise break Woot rules is great. But the kneejerk reaction to rude comment about how something is awful is to comfort the artist by finding reasons why it's not awful. On the other hand, explaining why something is good might help us clueless voters see the merit in the things we might not otherwise understand.

Yeah, some people like junk, no matter what. And they'll vote for it here, and it will win sometimes. But there's a solution to that, if Woot really wants to change things. Run this place like a juried art show instead of an arts and crafts flea market. Let someone (Woot? A panel of artists?) decide whether to allow specific pieces in or not. That way, we clueless voters wouldn't be able to vote for the stolen photographs of green vegetables or other bits of trash that are getting in the way of the more worthy works.

Unless Woot changes the process though, I'll be voting. Cluelessly or not.