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omnitarian wrote:Haha! It just looked that way to me. Do moon-eyed monsters have an actual folkloric basis or is it something of your own invention?

I don't think they do, though I could be wrong.

I had this vision of a monster coming up out of the sea, engulfing the elements of the sky along the way and making them a part of himself. It was all very dramatic. This guy can just take the moon and then, there you go, it's his now. You thought it was there to guide you at night, keep you safe, but now, bam, it's gone and he's turned it against you. All the better for him to watch you through as your nightmares come true right before him.

Er, well, maybe. Something like that.

Hengehog- I haven't seen Where the Wild Things Are yet, but that's a great compliment! Honestly, I wanted him to be slimy originally, but it wasn't working so he got fur instead.

jmmbell1987, krouth - thank you!

mrwednesday wrote:I am completely shocked that ramy is ripping off other people's work (and gaia online for that matter lol).........

*serious face*

edit:

Also we now have random animals trick or treating in the middle of nowhere? Not to mention it's just cute animals for the sake of cute animals but where the hell did they get the candy way out there?

If you can't stand him THAT much, why do you continue to critique him? Do you honestly want him to do better so you will vote for him? Because I fail to see why somebody who is trying to make things better is trying to do so with a designer they obviously hate. Why help to improve a designer you will never approve of? Do you not see the idiocy in this? You can't say it's because he's making it so other good designers are not winning, because technically you are critiquing him to do better. You can't say so other people will see what's wrong, if they like it, they like it, no matter what you say. Just as if they hate it, they hate it, no matter what you say. So what is it? What are you trying to accomplish? Please enlighten me if you can.

bethlehemstarr wrote:This is so very pretty. I love the great textures that are present in the wave, growing into the moon/sea-monster creature. It's just a true testament to your talent.
The fact that you could think up an original monster, and execute it so well is amazing.
Thanks for this, and GMV!

Thank you. I really like that you find my monster pretty! That's unusual and really cool.

jerroul wrote:I really dislike peeps myself - they are on my inedible list - but this works on an anti-peep level as well. I do love finding decorating ideas, especially twisted ones, for the peeps my mother would insist on buying.
GMV
My favorite is the duck costume...although I'm running a mental block on the tri-color one next to it.

hehe, thanks. glad i could help. the zombie one should be easy enough to create with a little gauze. the tri-color one is supposed to be candy corn, but i was having some difficulty executing it without changing the shape of the peep.

fyi, i'm not a big fan of actually eating peeps. i just love them for their cuteness and how incredibly fun they are to do silly things to. i actually have several light up and plush peeps on my desk.

As far as being silly with peeps, this site has always amused me:
Peeps, Smoking & Alcohol

Why resubmit something that was already rejected? Seems kind of silly to me. A tiger is still a cat no? And I still don't get why it's so sad.

IndependentVik wrote:
...the only way to read this is contempt for the rejectionator in a way that no printed derbyist has ever displayed. I'm actually puzzled at this point as to which possibility is the truth.

Well, contempt for somebody, yes.

Am I the only one who saw both Seki's and Ramy's submissions this week and interpreted them as extending a middle finger to all their weekly critics?

And with this resub, maybe wagging that middle finger around a bit? It certainly has evoked the gnashing of teeth she had to expect.

Re: but srsly it's mai pumpkin

I really need to find a better website where the majority of voters aren't 10 year olds who vote based on a 'cuteness factor' for a frickin HALLOWEEN THEME.

This is just a disgrace to be in the fog for this derby.

Re: He's right behind us, isn't he

why does the tree look the same as BEEFCOATS?
nothing says holloween more than stealing ideas from shirts aready in the derby.

Re: All Hallows' Eve

Really nice artwork (colors, fading, etc). Hope the votes come!

Re: Jack-O-Pickler

I still say eggplant would be better.

re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/derby/entry.aspx?id=36292]9 halloween

It's a rare day when I'm able to come to woot and literally see myself wearing one of its many designs. Today must be that rare day, because this is totally my style of shirt.

It's clever and well executed. Deserves a lot more love than what it's receiving at the moment, methinks.

I think the Dracula peep may be my favorite.

Re: Kick or treat! Shaolin monk with his begging bowl

YESSSSSS! HAHA.

mikenytola wrote:If you can't stand him THAT much, why do you continue to critique him? Do you honestly want him to do better so you will vote for him? Because I fail to see why somebody who is trying to make things better is trying to do so with a designer they obviously hate. Why help to improve a designer you will never approve of? Do you not see the idiocy in this? You can't say it's because he's making it so other good designers are not winning, because technically you are critiquing him to do better. You can't say so other people will see what's wrong, if they like it, they like it, no matter what you say. Just as if they hate it, they hate it, no matter what you say. So what is it? What are you trying to accomplish? Please enlighten me if you can.

wait wait wait. So if he hates Ramy, he shouldn't bother critiquing?

That seems INCREDIBLY COUNTER YOUR OTHER ARGUMENTS

Re: All Hallows' Eve

Great work on the lighting and coloring, gmv

muk1 wrote:Well, contempt for somebody, yes.

Am I the only one who saw both Seki's and Ramy's submissions this week and interpreted them as extending a middle finger to all their weekly critics?

And with this resub, maybe wagging that middle finger around a bit? It certainly has evoked the gnashing of teeth she had to expect.

Also to woot, who rejected the shirt.

And vicariously to every designer here.

Don't be so shortsighted.

Re: I Am Cuddly Parasite (resub)

I like it, it is twisted and well done

mikenytola wrote:Why resubmit something that was already rejected? Seems kind of silly to me. A tiger is still a cat no? And I still don't get why it's so sad.

I've figured it out; cats are in the Felis genus, while tigers are in the Panthera genus. That ought to be enough to appease the rejectionator.

Re: Feed Your Inner Demon

I like the art, but I think this shirt would be better on a light tan shirt instead of bright white.

Re: Zombie Candycorn

This needs to place this needs to place THIS NEEDS TO PLACE!!!!! X3

Re: Happy Trails

get rid of the cat, make the skull huge in the middle and awesome!....please?

dekonstruct wrote:agreed, there's a lot of cats in this derby already.

maybe make it look visible also.

And possibly laid out a little less like Urban Painter. Or Music is Life. Or etc etc etc.

mikenytola wrote:If you can't stand him THAT much, why do you continue to critique him? Do you honestly want him to do better so you will vote for him? Because I fail to see why somebody who is trying to make things better is trying to do so with a designer they obviously hate. Why help to improve a designer you will never approve of? Do you not see the idiocy in this? You can't say it's because he's making it so other good designers are not winning, because technically you are critiquing him to do better. You can't say so other people will see what's wrong, if they like it, they like it, no matter what you say. Just as if they hate it, they hate it, no matter what you say. So what is it? What are you trying to accomplish? Please enlighten me if you can.

I don't see the idiocy of his voicing displeasure with a design that he views as flawed, and pointing out said flaws. No, I don't think anyone expects Ramy will try to improve at this point. But shutting up opinions for the sake of it is abhorrent to me. If one feels like they're not getting through and decides to stop saying anything on their own accord, that's up to them. But going on and on like this, trying to make people stop criticizing just comes off as hysterical and controlling.* Flawed art in a public forum against other works of art ought to be criticized. I can't imagine how horrific lit classes would be if professors told us that we shouldn't say anything because the authors are dead and there was no point in critiquing their works. For that matter, why should I criticize films I dislike? There's about a .0001% chance of the director ever seeing my opinion, let alone listening to it.

*I'm not calling you hysterical and controlling, by the way. I'm just saying that that's how this stance appears to me, whenever anyone takes it. You're not the only person to take it.

AdderXYU wrote:wait wait wait. So if he hates Ramy, he shouldn't bother critiquing?

That seems INCREDIBLY COUNTER YOUR OTHER ARGUMENTS

Good ole Addey failing to read between the lines. I asked him why, mind you most of his "critiques" I find to be more of complaining and just saying the same thing over and over again. Kind of like how you can't stand Ramyb doing the same thing over and over again. It's funny how you understand your view but are ignorant to others. You actually form somewhat intelligent critiques and have a very distinct opinion, almost everything he writes sounds like a parrot repeating pretty bird. I could ask you the same question I asked him, but you'll just give me the same cookie cut answer you always do.

Tell me this, why do you critique Ramyb? Same questions as my previous post. Don't try to fool anybody saying you want better designs for everybody and woot to be better all around. I see many things you do and say that make woot a worse place to be around, but I do give you credit, you have toned down a lot lately. MrWed has taken over your reign and seems to be even more vocal than you are.

You are not going to change anybody opinion, what you say may be true, but people will figure that out on their own. Or did somebody else tell you something so you just followed like a sheep? No you didn't, you have your own opinion which is very valid and nothing anybody would say to you will change your mind. But again, why critique somebody you have outright stated that you are obsessed with disliking him? Do you REALLY want Ramyb to be better so you will vote for him and buy his shirt? Do you really think he's going to change just because you tell him to? Do you guys really live in that much of an internet plastic bubble?

Re: [url=http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=36305]We Love Your So-Called

Revote GET!!

AdderXYU wrote:Words cannot describe.

I have to give you credit for one thing, though. Despite being significantly less talented than your boyfriend, with pieces like this that show less creativity than his already tired work, and deformity more prevalent than his worst stuff, and simply a lower standard of design, you seem to regularly get support far ahead of his. I don't know what mediocrity note you strike, but that alone is impressive. If also incredibly sad for the community.

he works later at the mcdonalds so she has more time to sign in as different people.

Re: but srsly it's mai pumpkin

I am pretty new to this site. At first whenever I saw a ramy or seki design and saw all the negitive attacks I didn't really understand why, so I gave them the benifit of the doubt. A stunt like this makes it all to clear to me this designer does not have any respect for anyone on this site to the point where it ticked me off.

jmmbell1987 wrote:I don't see the idiocy of his voicing displeasure with a design that he views as flawed, and pointing out said flaws. No, I don't think anyone expects Ramy will try to improve at this point. But shutting up opinions for the sake of it is abhorrent to me. If one feels like they're not getting through and decides to stop saying anything on their own accord, that's up to them. But going on and on like this, trying to make people stop criticizing just comes off as hysterical and controlling.* Flawed art in a public forum against other works of art ought to be criticized. I can't imagine how horrific lit classes would be if professors told us that we shouldn't say anything because the authors are dead and there was no point in critiquing their works. For that matter, why should I criticize films I dislike? There's about a .0001% chance of the director ever seeing my opinion, let alone listening to it.

*I'm not calling you hysterical and controlling, by the way. I'm just saying that that's how this stance appears to me, whenever anyone takes it. You're not the only person to take it.

Finally somebody who can write intelligently and have a real discussion. Thank you. I guess what my point is, why do some people torture themselves and make other around them annoyed and miserable as well? Seems a little selfish to me. It's not always constructive criticism that's coming from Mrwed and Adder, many times it goes to the rude level, MANY times. Regardless of their actual constructive criticisms. If they were constructive all the time then I would never have a problem with them. There are plenty of people here that critique and do so with respect and dignity.

But it is obvious they hate Ramyb and his girlfriend, so why critique them to get better if they do not wan them to get better? Is that not complaining, just to complain? It's not about censorship, it's about logic. It's like when a little kid doesn't like something, they stamp around loudly and get mad, when the only person they are convincing they are right is themselves. I understand negative comments, but when it's the same thing over and over again with insults and rudeness, that's call harassing and being a jerk, not constructive criticism.

*accidental double post, please delete.

danwo wrote:I am pretty new to this site. At first whenever I saw a ramy or seki design and saw all the negitive attacks I didn't really understand why, so I gave them the benifit of the doubt. A stunt like this makes it all to clear to me this designer does not have any respect for anyone on this site to the point where it ticked me off.

I actually kind of have a bit more respect for them after this. It takes some serious balls to blatantly insult the very people who you rely on for your income. Impressive, in my eyes.

Re: All Hallows' Eve

I'm not a trained artist, so I have no idea if the lighting in your pieces is technically good or not, but it looks amazing to this layman (especially in this piece).

mikenytola wrote:Good ole Addey failing to read between the lines. I asked him why, mind you most of his "critiques" I find to be more of complaining and just saying the same thing over and over again. Kind of like how you can't stand Ramyb doing the same thing over and over again. It's funny how you understand your view but are ignorant to others. You actually form somewhat intelligent critiques and have a very distinct opinion, almost everything he writes sounds like a parrot repeating pretty bird. I could ask you the same question I asked him, but you'll just give me the same cookie cut answer you always do.

Tell me this, why do you critique Ramyb? Same questions as my previous post. Don't try to fool anybody saying you want better designs for everybody and woot to be better all around. I see many things you do and say that make woot a worse place to be around, but I do give you credit, you have toned down a lot lately. MrWed has taken over your reign and seems to be even more vocal than you are.

You are not going to change anybody opinion, what you say may be true, but people will figure that out on their own. Or did somebody else tell you something so you just followed like a sheep? No you didn't, you have your own opinion which is very valid and nothing anybody would say to you will change your mind. But again, why critique somebody you have outright stated that you are obsessed with disliking him? Do you REALLY want Ramyb to be better so you will vote for him and buy his shirt? Do you really think he's going to change just because you tell him to? Do you guys really live in that much of an internet plastic bubble?

I feel that people learn. Yknow, if they have the brain capacity. This is what foreign people refer to as "education". It's an unorthodox approach, but I hear some people swear by it.

In "education," you do this thing called "teach". You give information and people receive it and analyze it. If they understand this information, they "learn". It's like a computer, but with more magic!

So when I critique Ramy, it is in part in hopes he will improve. Why not? Anyone has the potential, and if Ramy were to consistently prove that he respected the derby, had the ability to branch out, had ideas that didn't scrape the uncreative barrel, so on and soforth, that'd be great. 'Course, if he still won, it'd prove people vote for him and not his work, but that's neither here nor there.

But more importantly, it is in hopes of this new "education" thing. Sure, some people figure out the truth on their own, but others need to see it laid out. They need to be given access to the facts. They will then either analyze them for themselves, or ignore them. Remember, not every person follows derbies. They might eventually "get it". But if they see people saying it, they might start thinking about it, and get it sooner.

So a question, then, for you: If you are so sure that I am right, why are you so concerned about what I say? If you don't think people can learn and change, why do you bother your unintelligible rantings at people, since they're not going to learn and change? If these people can't learn and change, yet you keep harping on them, isn't it totally justifiable for others to keep harping on Ramy?

I guess that's a couple questions.

Re: fresh blood oranges

As a chef I can appreciate the blood oranges; as a "gal" the placement IS a bit, um .. awkward. A face and fangs on the girls - hhhmmmm.
Not crazy about the green shirt either, but that's purely personal. Otherwise I love the concept.

Give us a different background and I would even subject said "girls" to the afore suggested ogling.
Think wardrobe versatility here, as not everyone can pull off Little Trees Car Freshener Green.
- Faces on the totters? Well, that's just evolution now, isn't it? ;)

Re: Littlest Zombie resub

The littlest Zombie, cleaned up a bit and with a color change.

phatd42 wrote:I actually kind of have a bit more respect for them after this. It takes some serious balls to blatantly insult the very people who you rely on for your income. Impressive, in my eyes.

If people were really being insulted then why do they still vote for them and like their designs? I don't like this design myself. Can't stand cats or cat shirts or cat whatever. Except Cat's and the Moon, that's just funny. I think it's more of an insult to people who dislike them, that would make sense, but not to the people voting.

mikenytola wrote:If people were really being insulted then why do they still vote for them and like their designs? I don't like this design myself. Can't stand cats or cat shirts or cat whatever. Except Cat's and the Moon, that's just funny. I think it's more of an insult to people who dislike them, that would make sense, but not to the people voting.

It's still an insult. Seki is saying "you're so stupid you'll vote for anything"

And they say "yes, you're right, this IS an adorable kitty!"

AdderXYU wrote:I feel that people learn. Yknow, if they have the brain capacity. This is what foreign people refer to as "education". It's an unorthodox approach, but I hear some people swear by it.

In "education," you do this thing called "teach". You give information and people receive it and analyze it. If they understand this information, they "learn". It's like a computer, but with more magic!

So when I critique Ramy, it is in part in hopes he will improve. Why not? Anyone has the potential, and if Ramy were to consistently prove that he respected the derby, had the ability to branch out, had ideas that didn't scrape the uncreative barrel, so on and soforth, that'd be great. 'Course, if he still won, it'd prove people vote for him and not his work, but that's neither here nor there.

But more importantly, it is in hopes of this new "education" thing. Sure, some people figure out the truth on their own, but others need to see it laid out. They need to be given access to the facts. They will then either analyze them for themselves, or ignore them. Remember, not every person follows derbies. They might eventually "get it". But if they see people saying it, they might start thinking about it, and get it sooner.

So a question, then, for you: If you are so sure that I am right, why are you so concerned about what I say? If you don't think people can learn and change, why do you bother your unintelligible rantings at people, since they're not going to learn and change? If these people can't learn and change, yet you keep harping on them, isn't it totally justifiable for others to keep harping on Ramy?

I guess that's a couple questions.

We are more alike then either of us would care to admit. You have already answered your question to me with your response. I actually really liked your answer. Thank you. We have some very similar fundamentals, they are just in different areas.

AdderXYU wrote:It's still an insult. Seki is saying "you're so stupid you'll vote for anything"

And they say "yes, you're right, this IS an adorable kitty!"

Marketing 101, most of America is stupid.

mikenytola wrote:Marketing 101, most of America is stupid.

Education 101: stupid people need education, not appeasement.

Re: Death Haunts the Night

What color shirt is this on?

mikenytola wrote:Finally somebody who can write intelligently and have a real discussion. Thank you. I guess what my point is, why do some people torture themselves and make other around them annoyed and miserable as well? Seems a little selfish to me. It's not always constructive criticism that's coming from Mrwed and Adder, many times it goes to the rude level, MANY times. Regardless of their actual constructive criticisms. If they were constructive all the time then I would never have a problem with them. There are plenty of people here that critique and do so with respect and dignity.

But it is obvious they hate Ramyb and his girlfriend, so why critique them to get better if they do not wan them to get better? Is that not complaining, just to complain? It's not about censorship, it's about logic. It's like when a little kid doesn't like something, they stamp around loudly and get mad, when the only person they are convincing they are right is themselves. I understand negative comments, but when it's the same thing over and over again with insults and rudeness, that's call harassing and being a jerk, not constructive criticism.

I used to be in your boat. I used to feel the same way about Adder, shortly after I signed up at woot. His posts struck me as strangely negative, especially toward Ramy and Seki. I didn't like their work, but it seemed rooted in something more. Then I began realizing that week after week, Ramy and seki submitted designs that fit a tiny selection of folds: overdone, pointless halftones and tons of random swirls, lifeless, dead-eyed "cute" animals, or fanart level anime. I decided to look back into the archives, and I realized why they took so much criticism, and why so many attack them beyond their designs.

They've created a monopoly on woot by taking advantage of how easily generic, mediocre at best designs sell and can print thanks to woot's flawed voting system. They refuse to improve their art despite constant critiques going back to their debuts on the site. They have been rude and condescending about people who dare criticize them in the past. And then I learned about their exploits on deviantart before they came to woot. After all that, yeah, I could understand the animosity. I totally understood Adder's context. He and mr. wedn's posts are not just venomous rants.
They view Ramy and Seki to be a couple of self-promoting, attention-grabbing cynics who have cornered a flawed voting system at the expense of better artists, and they don't want them to get away with it. So they complain. And while I rarely post with their level of contempt (it's just not my style), I can totally see where they come from, and I can't really fault them when all things are considered.