AdderXYU wrote: 1) Chibi art is insanely bad. I don't think I've ever stated my own work was good, though. That's a big difference. Otherwise you imply that no one who cannot create art has a valid opinion on art, which is proven untrue by, well, just about every respected critic ever. Though since you don't have any work posted anywhere, by your perception your own voice is meaningless. It's OK. That's shared.
it has nothing to do with having to be a good artist to give good criticism, it has to do with the fact that you stand behind designs of relatively low quality (your designs), and then you bash other designs that are significantly better, even if it is just chibi. it is a loss of objectivity. had you been an objective critic, you would not stand behind your own work, you would take it back to the drawing board and try to improve it, before posting it on t-shirt sites to print, and thereby asserting that you do think it is good enough for you and other people to wear.
2) Woot ignores rules all the time to benefit the desu-clan, while switching rules all the time to disenfranchise the talented, long-standing members. I'm not really sure where wanting woot to be fair goes against anything. Though really, if all you can do is copy the same style every 12 year old in america wets themselves over and draws in history class, that in and of itself detracts from woot's own rule and mission statement of unique work you can't get anywhere else
how this even says anything about the irony in you wanting new rules to be made just so the art you dont like cant be made, i dont understand. it has nothing with woot being fair. it has to do with you being hypocritical, and as usual, what it boils down to is that you want shirts you like to win, and the objective high standard principles you always claim to stand by, dont really matter.
3) Who does art should indeed matter on a broad scale. It's basic ethics. No one praises Hitler's art because it was made by Hitler. On a smaller scale, if an "artist" is a cheat, a swindler, a thief, and an all-around disrespecter of what it means to be creative and original and artistic, they should be allowed no sway artistically. If ones ACTIONS put them at odds with human ethics, and especially artistic ethics, they deserve to be blacklisted. To say otherwise is to reward people for being blackguards and charlatans. To be OK with someone unfairly snatching advancement from real creative minds, manipulating people for their own gain, etc etc etc. If I see art I love, I don't care who the person is. That is true. But I will never support the work of someone who I find has no moral scruples. Because I have an ethical code.
just because a certain piece of art has been made by a bad (or good) person, it does not make the art any worse or better. it is what it is. you may not want to support the art due to not liking the person, but then you are dragging your personal feelings into it again, which is not so good when being an "objective" critic. if hitlers work was amazing art that changed the world(which it wasnt, but i am no expert in that field) it would still get credit for being amazing art that changed the world, even if it was made by a top 10 most awful person to ever walk this earth. by caring about the person who made it you only drag in one of two things, personal feelings, and/or capitalistic reasons, neither of which should play any role in your "objective" criticism, or even your persoanl feelings towards the art itself
4) You really can't defend the chibi work here as being "original" without looking like a fool. What's so original about any of it? The style itself is cliched. the concepts all come from somewhere else. You also can't say that it is cute like nothing else, unless you mean "cute, in a deformed, cliche, overdone, and not very attractive way". Today's shirt has a personal style, a fresh imagery, a great shirt layout, and is yet still unabashedly cute. It does it better. That's aesthetic fact to anyone who has a sense of aesthetics.
the thing is, people state that it doesnt matter that the execution in this piece is impressive or technical, but then they complain about that very same thing with chibi stuff. "Chibi is so easy to do and generic" etc etc. they say its okay that drawing skill hasnt been involved much, because other things, like "over-all feel" of a shirt, matter. so in this shirt, the whole feel is that of happiness mixed with something gorey and insane. if you wanted that in one of the chibi shirts you could have bought the whack a mole shirt. it was certainly making cuteness out of smashing the heads of moles in with a spiked mallet.
i dont even like the chibi shirts, but honestly, i cannot for the life of me comprehend why it is such a disaster that a lot of people like them and vote for them. it is as fair as anything. it may not be your cup of tea, but deal with it, it is the favorite tea of a lot of people.
that last part is also just the stating of personal opinions. im not going to say i think todays shirt gets lemon juice in the eye, but i dont think it is all that either. but it certainly does not have a fresh imagery, penguins and whales "flying" instead of swimming, is used in plenty of scenarios. the whale is also generic in shape and style, even though the design as a whole does hold somewhat of a distinctive style. as someone in the shirt thread said, its something you are likely to see something similar to in an aquarium, be it on a shirt, or on a wall. but by all means, decent shirt, but personal taste will decide if you buy it. trying to objectify aesthetics like that is stupid, when it is a matter of personal preference.