Shirt.Woot

thatrobert wrote:I don't get the Leaderboard. Shouldn't there be 365 shirts?

i dont get it either. should it not be 365 -(# of days random shirt was offered, or design replaced by random)

edit: actually maybe its right. i just noticed that its less than year worth of days

jamesbottomtooth wrote:i dont get it either. should it not be 365 -(# of days random shirt was offered, or design replaced by random)

edit: actually maybe its right. i just noticed that its less than year worth of days

yes, 357 so presumably 8 randoms. seems about right.

multiply average battle count by 178.5 to roughly estimate how many total battles fought.

joshmonkey wrote:Pro Tip: No need to refresh the Leaderboard; it now updates itself every 30 seconds or so!

Thanks mattschuette and shawnmiller!

updating yourself leads to hairy palms and blindness.

There are some I wish the random shirt were up against more, because both were unappealing.

geekfactor12 wrote:Looks like the Random Shirt is in there- should it be? Feels to me like it would make more sense to leave it out.

I voted for probably over an hour and Rake Break came up only twice. I'm obsessed with that shirt. I got the same two sets of shirts 4x in a row. I know it's probably random, but it seems that the ratio of appearances isn't really fair.

Are the sales rankings posted somewhere? It would be cool to see how this ordering compares. I suppose I could record the sales ranking of each shirt as it comes up and after I've gone through all 357 shirts I'd have the list, but I was hoping that there might be an easier way.

clarinerd wrote:Are the sales rankings posted somewhere? It would be cool to see how this ordering compares. I suppose I could record the sales ranking of each shirt as it comes up and after I've gone through all 357 shirts I'd have the list, but I was hoping that there might be an easier way.

1. think of the children (13681)
357. they grow up so fast (175)

i helped!

When I grow up, I wanna be a tshirt trainer!

Does anyone else see shirts and are like, WOW that's such a great design! Too bad it is on that TERRIBLE color!

*wishes that all Woot.Shirts had the option to print native, white, and black, assuming that the design allows it*

So a quick calculation shows that there are about 66,500 unique combinations. Is any attempt being made to get all of the shirt match-ups to happen evenly?

I guess a better question is when all combinations have been scored is the battle over, (e.g. no two shirts fight twice ever across all voters)? Or does each person voting not see two shirts battle twice? If the latter are shirt pairings even (or at least random) across all voters or is there a pattern to how the shirts come out?

It's still early but the leaderboard seems incredibly variable for there being near 1000 battles per shirt. For myself and others seem to be experiencing something similar, I've clicked hundreds of battles. Though I've seen every design, some it seems like I've seen orders of magnitude more often where other's I've only seen once.

I don't know how i missed some of these shirts

AdderXYU wrote:Yeah, it's REALLY disturbing how many times I've legitimately voted for that. Or Air Guitar. It makes my skin crawl, but I defy anyone to have made a different choice in those pairings.

When my hand is forced too harshly, I just hit refresh. There are some choices I refuse to make.

jmmbell1987 wrote:When my hand is forced too harshly, I just hit refresh. There are some choices I refuse to make.

I've only had to refresh a few times. I will say that I am pleasantly surprised at the how effectively you can punish bad designs even though they are the kind of trash that takes top votes from normal voting. The chess rating system appears to have been a good idea (been a long time since I've said that here).

mrwednesday wrote:I've only had to refresh a few times. I will say that I am pleasantly surprised at the how effectively you can punish bad designs even though they are the kind of trash that takes top votes from normal voting. The chess rating system appears to have been a good idea (been a long time since I've said that here).

Agreed.

emberdione wrote:Does anyone else see shirts and are like, WOW that's such a great design! Too bad it is on that TERRIBLE color!

*wishes that all Woot.Shirts had the option to print native, white, and black, assuming that the design allows it*

Disagreed. Very, very much so. Just because one doesn't care for a shirt color, doesn't mean it's a terrible color for the shirt. And I've never not purchased a great design over a shirt color. No offense, but that's always seemed kind of silly and trifling to me.

lillejord wrote:I keep getting the same shirts over and over again... Doesn't seem random enough. I swear there are shirts I've voted on 20 times and others I've voted on only once. And the average seams to be higher than lower.

This shows that it is random.

mattschuette wrote:Just reload. Put off until tomorrow, that which... something or other, I'll look it up later.

oh common, ramy has some good shirts, like "lucky day" and "behold a pale horse". just because they do produce a lot of lackluster designs doesnt mean all of them are.

I have been getting that devo ape a lot. I think I picked it each time too. I think the design is okay, but seemed like gold compared to the designs it got matched up with.

Also, I have been clicking away for awhile now. Why am I seeing some designs over and over when I have yet to cycle through all the designs I want to feel like I am giving all the designs a fair chance. Oh well...

I'm going to make some assumptions and then complain:

1. The winner of this battle will be reprinted. The reason Woot hasn't stated this is because it'd really be silly if the winner turns out to be something currently for sale.

2. The battle vote order will not be significantly different from sales. The top of the heap is still very chaotic but the bottom is coalescing on many of the shirts that had very small sales.

3. I'm guessing the most likely winner will be a shirt that spent a good number of weeks in the reckoning and has only recently been removed.

4. That sucks.

thatrobert wrote:I'm going to make some assumptions and then complain:

1. The winner of this battle will be reprinted. The reason Woot hasn't stated this is because it'd really be silly if the winner turns out to be something currently for sale.

2. The battle vote order will not be significantly different from sales. The top of the heap is still very chaotic but the bottom is coalescing on many of the shirts that had very small sales.

3. I'm guessing the most likely winner will be a shirt that spent a good number of weeks in the reckoning and has only recently been removed.

4. That sucks.

I agree, but I think in my reading the winner of the battle was only a partial determinant in whatever "thing" is happening ***coughreprintscoughcough***

I am at least happy that it appears whomever will end up winning will have to satisfy the grumpy, curmudgeony old timers as well as have the support of the casuals.

mrwednesday wrote:I agree, but I think in my reading the winner of the battle was only a partial determinant in whatever "thing" is happening ***coughreprintscoughcough***

I am at least happy that it appears whomever will end up winning will have to satisfy the grumpy, curmudgeony old timers as well as have the support of the casuals.

True. I guess that's just "people's choice". There will still be EC-style picks. Okay, I officially am less curmudgeony about this then...

mystymaples wrote:I voted for probably over an hour and Rake Break came up only twice. I'm obsessed with that shirt. I got the same two sets of shirts 4x in a row. I know it's probably random, but it seems that the ratio of appearances isn't really fair.

I've seen Rake Break at least 4 times.
I have also been presented with a pair 5x in a row, the next pair showed up 7x in a row and then the third pairing was 9x in a row. That doesn't seem right (unless someone is trying to stack the vote).

thatrobert wrote:True. I guess that's just "people's choice". There will still be EC-style picks. Okay, I officially am less curmudgeony about this then...

I'm not just yet, there's still a lot of chaff in the top ten that wasn't there a while ago.....

Also the battle appears to be broken. Since about 1am the results have not been registering correctly. I click a winner and the boxes go down like normal but the previous pick appears below and I then get the same matchup back that I just picked. This happened once 7 times in a row. Sometimes, I'll get a new matchup but the results below are wrong. Seems like it could be a bug with the reset, but I don't know.

thatrobert wrote:I'm going to make some assumptions and then complain:

1. The winner of this battle will be reprinted. The reason Woot hasn't stated this is because it'd really be silly if the winner turns out to be something currently for sale.

2. The battle vote order will not be significantly different from sales. The top of the heap is still very chaotic but the bottom is coalescing on many of the shirts that had very small sales.

3. I'm guessing the most likely winner will be a shirt that spent a good number of weeks in the reckoning and has only recently been removed.

4. That sucks.

While these are all good points and I do suspect the winner or top 10 or something will be on sale for a short period of time (like the christmas gift list), aren't there limitations to shirts being guaranteed printed?

Are prints treated the same as derby entries in rights to use? Probably not, but if so, wouldn't any shirt that has been out of the reckoning 60+ days ago not necessarily be authorized for reprinting?

As I typed this, I realized I am probably way off. Kind of seems dumb too, now that I think about it. Now I'm leaning towards thinking that once a shirt prints at Woot, Woot has the only rights to print it again.

Anyways, since I admitted I'm probably wrong, no badmouthing of me! ;) I'm not a designer anyways, just a customer, so I don't know all the specifics.

Just throwing it out there

renegadetim wrote:While these are all good points and I do suspect the winner or top 10 or something will be on sale for a short period of time (like the christmas gift list), aren't there limitations to shirts being guaranteed printed?

Are prints treated the same as derby entries in rights to use? Probably not, but if so, wouldn't any shirt that has been out of the reckoning 60+ days ago not necessarily be authorized for reprinting?

As I typed this, I realized I am probably way off. Kind of seems dumb too, now that I think about it. Now I'm leaning towards thinking that once a shirt prints at Woot, Woot has the only rights to print it again.

Anyways, since I admitted I'm probably wrong, no badmouthing of me! ;) I'm not a designer anyways, just a customer, so I don't know all the specifics.

Just throwing it out there

Some dailies (read: only like one or two total, by all accounts) opted for a limited-rights option, with half the payout. The only two like this, that I know of, are ThatRobert's "Cat Carrier" and Cory Doctorow's "Threat Level: Doctorow" which is Creative Commons and ergo, while woot could print it any day they wanted, so could you legally.

All other tees except for those, any few others which may have taken a different daily contract (I don't even know if that's still offered) and tees which woot had to pull from sale for various reasons are, for all print right purposes, owned by woot until woot changes their contract, which would be a kinda Jatravartid thing to do. Woot could print any tee they wanted any day they wanted, and the only reason there would need to be any contact at all would be to properly pay the designer. We can certainly hope there are shirts they WOULDNT print again, but legally they certainly could.

Woot, you disappoint me. There's not such thing as the 1st Annual, it's Inaugural. That's the kind of pretentious detail I've come to expect you to observe.

Heh, looks like patrickspens had his people up all night. When I first checked he had the top three and I think a few more scattered in the top 10. They're all gone now but one which I doubt will last too long.

joshbeu wrote:Does anyone else have the same problem I have, where I found a shirt I totally love that, for some strange reason, I never saw until now? And of course, it's reckoned. I'm talking about the McGregor's Garden shirt, personally... but anyone else discover a different new one?

Josh

I have found several that I never saw. And one that I missed the chance to buy. So sad to see it again and pine for it.

I believe we are approaching half a million battles fought.

For those worried about randomness on their end, the total battles fought look to be distributed evenly enough that there is not much concern overall. It was mentioned earlier that you might refresh your browser if presented with a repeat battle. I've never had this happen.

i really wish Nightmare Warrior, Why Manhole Covers Are Round, and I MET SYSTEM I would win this (cause im hoping to be able to buy them), and i hate every single one of you not contributing to their success.

joshbeu wrote:Does anyone else have the same problem I have, where I found a shirt I totally love that, for some strange reason, I never saw until now? And of course, it's reckoned. I'm talking about the McGregor's Garden shirt, personally... but anyone else discover a different new one?

Yea I had that happen, the one called Shh, The Rat Is Our Patron I didn't see that one before and I really want it in XL, oh well

SkekTek wrote:Too bad there isn't a third option on the page: NEITHER.
!

Agreed!

rather than give a vote to either shirt, I've just been refreshing the page in a situation like that. No shirt gets a vote and I get a new set of choices. but I agree, I want a 'both loose' button

Leahbh wrote:that's so sad!

It is! But probably a good thing. I could waste some SERIOUS time doing this. I definitely wasted a lot of time with it when I got home last night... lolz

I don't think I "missed" any of these shirts, because I'm a freak and I check woot daily, but there are some that I definitely regret not buying, now that I'm seeing them again.

For example, before I tried the "refresh" trick, I kept seeing Loopy's "Colored With Water" and kept voting for it. Not a huge fan of creme, but I think I should have broken my anti-creme sentiments for that shirt... it's really a beautiful one.

The worse part is when they put two shirts you own and really like against each other, such a tough decision, I had Teamwork vs I Zap Ducks I chose Teamwork, it was tough to come to that decision though

Why do I keep seeing the same shirts over and over and never or rarely see some shirts (especially my faves)??? I've seen "Forbidden Love" once, but all the Jatravartid narwhal shirts over and over and over and over. I like Holy Guacamole, but I've seen it 20 times, and I've only seen Lunch Break once. And how many chances are you going to give me to vote against Turtley Trippy? I've already had a ton, and I'm still not voting for it!!!!!!!!

This contest is fixed. Rosie the retrogamer http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=14258 only has a 54% approval rating? this is easily the best shirt that woot has ever sold. i get at least 20 complements on it every single time that i wear it out. sure, i live in a highly liberal and feministic area, but still.

this probably has the same problem as the derby does though. people are voting on images, not shirts. there is definitely a difference. there's plenty of things that i think are hilarious on this site, but i would probably never wear (see: it's a trap)

joshbeu wrote:Does anyone else have the same problem I have, where I found a shirt I totally love that, for some strange reason, I never saw until now? And of course, it's reckoned. I'm talking about the McGregor's Garden shirt, personally... but anyone else discover a different new one?

And I'm also addicted to clicking... it's like Hot or Not for wearable art!

Josh

yeah, i've had a lot of these experiences. there have been at least 6 or 7 shirts from this year that i totally would have bought on day one had i seen them...and i was more than sure i was checking this site daily. specifically the "Australia looks like a gorilla wearing a fez" and the one with waldo in a trash can...

emberdione wrote:THIS. Also there needs to be one for BOTH.

How am I supposed to pick between Clockwork Crow and Si Turtles?!? They are both AMAZING!

I agree--I want a both button and a neither button! (In lieu of a neither button, I just refresh the page >.>)

nyenna wrote:What are the odds of getting the exact same battle twice in a row?

About the same odds of getting two horrible sets of shirts in a row.