kylemittskus
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musicshark32 wrote:isn't this shirt just a reference to the awkward turtle?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=awkward%20turtle
there's no copyright infringement here. it's just a pop culture reference. but i do agree that this design should be rejected for the reason that "similar shirts exist".
that being said, rush job or not, this design is still probably the best out of all of those.
There is certainly no copyright since it is just a take on the "Awkward Turtle." It should be rejected based on the "Similar Shirts Exist" rule as there have been now 15ish similar shirts. No matter how good this shirt is compared to the others, the rules should be followed. And when not, enforced.
About Adder: Yes, he's caustic. That doesn't change the fact that he is right. You may not like the delivery system of a message, but you can't disregard the message because you didn't like the words, tones, etc. used.
Edit: THIS!
[quote postid="4341784" user="swammi1203"]While Adder may not be the most cordial of commentators, he doesn't fail to make good points. For that, he is a valuable contributer, and his knowledge of past derbies is important in putting events in perspective.
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darrentf
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Re: turned-over turtle

To the fog with you! +1 for all sorts of reason, not the least of which is that this turtle tee has soul!
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kylemittskus
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jxchen wrote:Anyone is free to disregard any message they want, regardless of tone.
One is far more likely to deliver a trustworthy message if the tone is not abusive and disparaging.
Literal battle? Of course you can, but if your logic is "the message delivery sucks, therefore the message is erroneous," then your logic is flawed.
Further, your assumption that a politely delivered message is more trustworthy, i.e.: more accurate, is absurd. The delivery system has nothing to do with the inherent message. You may be turned off by one or the other, but that fact does not change the message being delivered.
"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke
"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen
"There are many ways to the recognition of truth; Burgundy is one of them." -Isak Dinesen
kylemittskus
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swammi1203 wrote:YoThat's not to say that courtesy has no place, there is a limit. However, Kyle is only partially correct in saying that "The delivery system has nothing to do with the inherent message." The delivery system may have nothing to do with the inherent message, but it has everything to do with how that message is perceived and received, which is equally as important.
One cannot control how another receives a message. I realize that I am in the minority here, but political correctness, politeness, etc. are all subjective terms and have no place in logical discussion, IMO. I suppose we should not start an ideological debate here, though. Do you drink wine? 
"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke
"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen
"There are many ways to the recognition of truth; Burgundy is one of them." -Isak Dinesen