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It's a big day in our print shop, our warehouse, and your dresser drawer. Today Shirt.Woot adds a brand new supplier to our growing family.

This is the first time we've changed shirt suppliers since we launched in 2007, and we wouldn't have made a switch like this without some major reasons for it. For one thing, we really like the combination of stability and flexibility that going with Anvil provides. They've been in business for 150 years, so we're confident they know how to handle any challenge we throw at them.

It's part of our never-ending effort to make sure we've got the best options available for providing you, the teeming throngs of shirt-buying Internet types, shirts with pictures of cute fuzzy things on them. Peep the deets:
 

Quality
We couldn't make a change like this if it didn't maintain the high quality we pride ourselves on and you guys have come to know us for. We're still going to have shirts made of fine 100% combed, ring-spun cotton. Just like our current shirt, the new blanks will have a ribbed collar, taped shoulder seams, and double needle hems. The new shirts will weigh in at 4.5 oz. as opposed to our current 4.3 oz.

Sizing
The roughly 80% of you who buy shirts in Men's sizes shouldn't notice any real change in the sizing of our shirts; they'll run barely 3/8" shorter, so unless you're right on that bubble you should be fine.

However, if you've been buying (or wishing you could buy) ladies' sizes, you'll notice some changes that hopefully will make the shirts seem more, y'know, built for ladies. Check our new, updated sizing chart (which we'll be posting very often until the news finally works its way through to everyone) and find out where you stand.

Corporate Responsibility
As their exhaustive and frank Corporate Social Responsibility progress report shows, Anvil holds itself to high environmental and labor standards. We realize the fact that they're made in Honduras will set off red flags for some people - honestly, we weren't sure about that ourselves at first. But with a 77% unionized workforce and 100% WRAP-certified factories, we're comfortable Anvil is serious about treating its workers decently.

Cost
Of course, cost is a factor, too. For a long time, we ran on thin margins that didn't leave us much room to experiment. Now we can continue expanding our selection and taking chances on different kinds of products that we may not have been able to try before. As we get more efficient, we'll roll out some new ideas that will make Shirt.Woot more fun for our community and our customers.

Transition
This change will not be instantaneous. We have a large inventory of our previous suppliers' shirt and we don't want to just dump them in the river (turns out there's a hefty fine) so we'll sell them off and replace them as we run dry.

We'll make it very clear when your size switches to the new version so you can anticipate the change, and we'll post another update when we're completely switched over. Be sure to check the specs for the next few weeks as we'll be updating the sizing charts to reflect the change. And before you get all "eggs in one basket" on us, Anvil is joining the network of distributors, not replacing them all. We'll maintain our current relationships with companies for stuff like our hoodies, longsleeve tees, aprons, etc.

We're sure you have questions and opinions about this - let 'em rip in the forum and we'll do our best to answer them. But as for us, we're excited to stride sleeve-in-sleeve with Anvil toward the glorious Shirt.Woot future.



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bluejester


quality posts: 564 Private Messages bluejester

Does this mean that you will be using AA blanks for the long sleeve tees?

That's my first question out the gate. More as I mull this over.

JenDupre


quality posts: 19 Private Messages JenDupre

Well there we go. I don't know. The made in USA was the biggest selling point.

zosai


quality posts: 1 Private Messages zosai

Anvil is definitely inferior to AA in every way. Especially since they are not made in the USA.

Raising the price and lowering the quality is not a great business plan.

TobiasAmaranth


quality posts: 24 Private Messages TobiasAmaranth

[s]An extra ounce may not sound like much but it's a 28% increase in weight. I like how light the AA shirts are, and I have a sneaking feeling that I will notice the moderate change in weight by the end of the day, so to speak.[/s] (Apparently, 3.5 was meant to be 4.3...)

Also, your post still doesn't explain why this change was even necessary.

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Narfcake


quality posts: 287 Private Messages Narfcake

Anvil 980 for the guys.

Made in Bangladesh and Nicaragua.

I'm not impressed. I know these blanks run a few bucks LESS than what AA goes for.

I can understand when TeeFury had supply issues with Alstyle, but even then, they made do and went back to them after the community outcry.

Vote with your dollars, folks.

nmpls


quality posts: 22 Private Messages nmpls

Awesome, worse fitting shirts.
For those of us who are tall, that 1/2 inch is huge. Give me tall shirts or bring back AA shirts.

I'll buy one and see how it fits, but I'm almost certainly out after that. I've had anvil shirts before. They fit much 'bigger' in the chest and are shorter. They also shrink more.

Good job screwing up woot. I've bought almost 100 shirts in just over a year, you can count on those number dwindling.

Unless you give me tall shirts.
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Also, you justified your most recent price increase on keeping up the AA shirts. Shame.

ProfHotpants


quality posts: 49 Private Messages ProfHotpants
bluejester wrote:Does this mean that you will be using AA blanks for the long sleeve tees?.



Our long sleeve blanks will remain the same.

llandar


quality posts: 32 Private Messages llandar
TobiasAmaranth wrote:An extra ounce may not sound like much but it's a 28% increase in weight. I like how light the AA shirts are, and I have a sneaking feeling that I will notice the moderate change in weight by the end of the day, so to speak.

Also, your post still doesn't explain why this change was even necessary.




Reload the page; there was a typo. You're only gaining .2 ounces.

Also, yes it does.

novastarj


quality posts: 30 Private Messages novastarj
TobiasAmaranth wrote:An extra ounce may not sound like much but it's a 28% increase in weight. I like how light the AA shirts are, and I have a sneaking feeling that I will notice the moderate change in weight by the end of the day, so to speak.

Also, your post still doesn't explain why this change was even necessary.



Gotta read between the lines. It's all about cost. The "thin margins" tells the whole story.

They might state some ancillary reasons also (such as better fitting women's sizes), but in the end it's all about the money. A damn shame only a month after already raising the price.

taternuggets


quality posts: 22 Private Messages taternuggets

Any new colors?


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ProfHotpants


quality posts: 49 Private Messages ProfHotpants
nmpls wrote:Awesome, worse fitting shirts.
For those of us who are tall, that 1/2 inch is huge. Give me tall shirts or bring back AA shirts.

I'll buy one and see how it fits, but I'm almost certainly out after that. I've had anvil shirts before. They fit much 'bigger' in the chest and are shorter. They also shrink more..



The chest fit is identical to our current Men's blanks, and the length change is less than 1/2 inch. These blanks actually shrink less than our previous ones.

gricomet


quality posts: 35 Private Messages gricomet
ProfHotpants wrote:Our long sleeve blanks will remain the same.



I like the current long sleeves so I am happy on this

thumperchick


quality posts: 240 Private Messages thumperchick

Sorry guys, while the product may still be good, I'm going to be hard-pressed to spend my cash here. Part of the appeal for me was supporting ethical, home-grown jobs for Americans.

BTW - you may want to update your FAQ, it is no longer true.

"Woot Tees are 100% cotton blank shirts. The designs are printed at Woot’s own printing facility in our Carrollton, Texas headquarters. Although the people who make them do sweat occasionally, Woot Tees are produced in sweatshop-free conditions. And they’re made in the USA, from the first stitch to the last drop of ink."

4khaos


quality posts: 8 Private Messages 4khaos

Thanks for the informational post...

But I'm not satisfied and want AA back.

nmpls


quality posts: 22 Private Messages nmpls
ProfHotpants wrote:The chest fit is identical to our current Men's blanks, and the length change is less than 1/2 inch. These blanks actually shrink less than our previous ones.



1/2 an inch is huge when you should already be buying tall sizes (I already buy 1 size too big). I'll try one when a design I like comes up, but I'm unhappy.

mscrankypants


quality posts: 0 Private Messages mscrankypants

Good thing I already own enough Ts to last the remainder of my days. Don't think I will be adding any new ones to the collection. My wallet breathes a sigh of relief.

jbhswim


quality posts: 31 Private Messages jbhswim

Ugh woot! You guys dropped the ball. Using imported blanks and changing everything that was good and groovy here at woot!We had something great going...until the price increase, then I adjusted.. but now this!

The blank t-shirt is the backbone of your business. It's not like you're going to start selling 5,000 hoodies in a day. People buy the shirts because they are made in the USA, they're cozy, and they fit right.

Plus, aren't you getting the extra two dollars to help take care of extra costs incurred by the AA blanks?

mrwednesday


quality posts: 12 Private Messages mrwednesday

So the short version is that you're outsourcing your blanks so that you can fund pet projects that operate at a loss because they aren't popular enough to be sustainable? And you're doing all of this at the expense of your core business and values?

I am completely serious when I say please point me to the part of this decision that makes sense.....

tgentry


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ProfHotpants wrote:The chest fit is identical to our current Men's blanks, and the length change is less than 1/2 inch. These blanks actually shrink less than our previous ones.



ProfHotpants has been singing the praises of Anvil tees since before we even knew we were making a switch, especially the women's sizes. I found the Men's sizes to be pretty comparable to AA in terms of quality and size and didn't notice much if any difference (I'm about 5'9" of that helps any). The fact that they weren't made in America was a big deal to all of us, but a lot of things went into the decision and it definitely wasn't taken lightly.

tgentry


quality posts: 111 Private Messages tgentry

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mrwednesday wrote:So the short version is that you're outsourcing your blanks so that you can fund pet projects that operate at a loss because they aren't popular enough to be sustainable? And you're doing all of this at the expense of your core business and values?



You infer quite a bit. A lot.

polluxoil


quality posts: 33 Private Messages polluxoil

Yeah, I'm not sure I agree with this. I just bought It Came Out of Nowhere and I think that may be the last shirt I purchase from woot. However, I still want to support the artists I've grown to love so I guess I'm going to start stalking their private pages now!

ramyb


quality posts: 20 Private Messages ramyb
ProfHotpants wrote:The chest fit is identical to our current Men's blanks, and the length change is less than 1/2 inch. These blanks actually shrink less than our previous ones.



The measurements may be similar, but the fit definitely isn't the same. This is an unfortunate change from my end- even if the length change is minor, it definitely makes the fit significantly worse for me considering I usually wear a medium at 6'3- and on top of that, I find anvil shirts to be wide in the wrong places, as well as being a little heavier than I like- I will probably still buy shirts I really want, but will probably wear them much less often and will have to think a little longer when I'm on the fence. Sigh.

adavidw


quality posts: 2 Private Messages adavidw

The FAQ still says made in the USA:

"And they’re made in the USA, from the first stitch to the last drop of ink."
-Aaron

taternuggets


quality posts: 22 Private Messages taternuggets
adavidw wrote:The FAQ still says made in the USA:



They haven't even started using them... you need that faq in advance do you?


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miyoshinum5


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I really don't think Anvil shirts even compare to AA shirts quality. Any Anvil shirts that I've had loose their elasticity and begin to look old much faster than any of my woot shirt. I'm very disappointed with this switch, most of the reason I could justify spending what little money I have on woot shirts is the high quality.

ProfHotpants


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adavidw wrote:The FAQ still says made in the USA:



I will work on changing the FAQ tomorrow morning.

nmpls


quality posts: 22 Private Messages nmpls
ramyb wrote:The measurements may be similar, but the fit definitely isn't the same. This is an unfortunate change from my end- even if the length change is minor, it definitely makes the fit significantly worse for me considering I usually wear a medium at 6'3- and on top of that, I find anvil shirts to be wide in the wrong places, as well as being a little heavier than I like- I will probably still buy shirts I really want, but will probably wear them much less often and will have to think a little longer when I'm on the fence. Sigh.


This is probably me, though a bit taller and quite a bit fatter.
It is hard to describe for me, but generally it is in the way the sleeve is cut, makes them fit weird.
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Woot, this sucks, you're ruining the only internet t-shirts that fit me perfectly.
Maybe this will be good for my love and social life and certainly my wallet, but will I be happy?

bluejester


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Here's a few more questions for you guys, as it seems woot staff is monitoring the thread in anticpation of an outcry:

So, from what I'm reading about the WRAP stuff, there's an implication that the ANVIL brand has some sort of working conditions standard that they hold to. Am I then to believe that AA was not up to some sort of standard?

Furthermore, it's mentioned "For one thing, we really like the combination of stability and flexibility that going with Anvil provides," I interpret this to mean that due to the recent financial difficulties of AA that stability might have been an issue. So, because woot was worried that AA might 'cash in it's chips' they decided to terminate their business relationship with them. Is this correct extrapolation, and if so could you expound on why? I am lost as to why after years of a good working relationship with AA that woot would leave them to hang in the wind. I'm not trying to be mean here, just frustrated to see that you guys are no longer using an American company.

badlass


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I asked via email but I'm wondering about reckoning shirts. I bought one a few hours before midnight and now wondering if I'm going to get the old blanks or the new blanks. I'm sure other folks are wondering too. Thanks!

samething


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I've had a lot of t-shirts. There is no other brand that I count on for quality the way I do with American Apparel. I doubt the quality control and consistency of other brands.

Before, I just focused on the shirt design. If I liked it, I got it. That's because I could count on the quality of the AA shirt.

I'll think twice before dropping money on the next design I like.

(Plus, I liked that AA shirts were made in the US.)

taternuggets


quality posts: 22 Private Messages taternuggets
badlass wrote:I asked via email but I'm wondering about reckoning shirts. I bought one a few hours before midnight and now wondering if I'm going to get the old blanks or the new blanks. I'm sure other folks are wondering too. Thanks!



"Transition
This change will not be instantaneous. We have a large inventory of our previous suppliers' shirt and we don't want to just dump them in the river (turns out there's a hefty fine) so we'll sell them off and replace them as we run dry."


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odysseyroc


quality posts: 33 Private Messages odysseyroc

I'm a big fan of the Anvil blanks. When the switch was announced, I was hoping it would be for Anvils. I'm guessing 99% of the community doesn't notice a difference.





ramyb


quality posts: 20 Private Messages ramyb
bluejester wrote:Here's a few more questions for you guys, as it seems woot staff is monitoring the thread in anticpation of an outcry:

So, from what I'm reading about the WRAP stuff, there's an implication that the ANVIL brand has some sort of working conditions standard that they hold to. Am I then to believe that AA was not up to some sort of standard?

Furthermore, it's mentioned "For one thing, we really like the combination of stability and flexibility that going with Anvil provides," I interpret this to mean that due to the recent financial difficulties of AA that stability might have been an issue. So, because woot was worried that AA might 'cash in it's chips' they decided to terminate their business relationship with them. Is this correct extrapolation, and if so could you expound on why? I am lost as to why after years of a good working relationship with AA that woot would leave them to hang in the wind. I'm not trying to be mean here, just frustrated to see that you guys are no longer using an American company.



I'm not sure if this is related, but at least with the flexibility point, I wonder if this has to do with woot's commitment to certain shirt colors- With AA, I assume woot was ordering absolutely obscene numbers of blanks at a time in order to get a price cheap enough to sell at 10 (or 12) with free shipping. With Anvil, they can probably order lower numbers at a time, giving the option of changing up the shirt color choices whenever.

(disclaimer: this may be wishful thinking on my part)

mscrankypants


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samething wrote:I've had a lot of t-shirts. There is no other brand that I count on for quality the way I do with American Apparel. I doubt the quality control and consistency of other brands.

Before, I just focused on the shirt design. If I liked it, I got it. That's because I could count on the quality of the AA shirt.

I'll think twice before dropping money on the next design I like.

(Plus, I liked that AA shirts were made in the US.)



Well said.

thumperchick


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taternuggets wrote:They haven't even started using them... you need that faq in advance do you?





From today's shirt. They are using them now.
And yes. I do want it in advance. With ice cream and a hug.

ProfHotpants


quality posts: 49 Private Messages ProfHotpants
ramyb wrote:The measurements may be similar, but the fit definitely isn't the same. This is an unfortunate change from my end- even if the length change is minor, it definitely makes the fit significantly worse for me considering I usually wear a medium at 6'3- and on top of that, I find anvil shirts to be wide in the wrong places, as well as being a little heavier than I like- I will probably still buy shirts I really want, but will probably wear them much less often and will have to think a little longer when I'm on the fence. Sigh.



It's possible you've worn a different style Anvil shirt. They're not all the same. I promise the guys blanks are very nearly identically the blanks you're used to. Seriously, the only difference is the 3/8th inch, which I think is more than made up for because they shrink less.

I won't lie to you, when we did our massive round of in house testing there were some folks who preferred the old blanks to the new ones. But the split was pretty even, with most people feeling they were about the same.

I LOVE the women's blanks. I have had the same 5 women's Anvil blanks for three years. They're all different colors, so they're from different batches and they have held up beautifully. They are comfy, the fit is flattering, and the shirts haven't faded, twisted or fallen apart. They look like new. I am really thrilled with the new women's blanks.

computermd82


quality posts: 31 Private Messages computermd82

As someone that owns 25+ Woot shirts (duplicates included), I'm sorry to see the change. I'm not entirely opposed to different blanks being used, it's all about quality. I *used* to buy from Threadless, but the shirts are now so poor in quality that I've had to stop shopping there, even if it's a design I really wanted.

So here's hoping these new blanks are of good quality. Any way to buy one (any color) to compare?

To me the best thing about the AA shirts were the softness and breathability, without being too thin, and that they were made in the USA.

On the flipside I found the AA shirts to shrink a bit, I would have to buy XL's if I wanted to end up with L's after a few washes.

In the end I'll wait and see, but I really with the new supplier was US based..

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gina3graces


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Woot, you do whatever you need to do to survive and excel in these economically tough times; just sayin' that lovers gonna love and that is EXACTLY what I am; a lover of all things Woot.
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mrwednesday


quality posts: 12 Private Messages mrwednesday
tgentry wrote:You infer quite a bit. A lot.



Read the cost statement. There's not much to infer. Razer margins are thin yes,but has shirt woot ever operated as anything but a bulk business? It says quite clearly you need the extra margin from a cheaper blank to afford other stuff. Now I could see maybe needing some capital to start something like that but what is Amazon for? It tells me you want to provide totes and long sleeves but you can't afford to do it because there is no margin so you have to get that money elsewhere as in your new larger margins.