bounty42
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bluejester wrote:What I am saying though, is that some change ups need to happen, not so much to keep Ramyb from printing, but to keep this place a bit lively. A while ago, Woot changed up the number of fogged entries both to keep it interesting, and to keep she-who-must-not-be-named from gaming the system. Right now, as some one else pointed out, by Tuesday the fogged nine are pretty much solidified. There is jockeying for position within that fog, but that fog never changes dramatically.
It's time to shake things up.
The problem I have is when people name Ramyb. I don't know the guy, honestly I don't care who he is. But I'd lay enough money to support Narf's shirt addiction for a month that you could run 4 consecutive derbys with all the shirts in a fog, no artists names listed, no 'promotion' allowed on the boards, and a perfectly equal voting period, and of the 12 winning shirts 2 would be Ramyb prints.
He's not cheating, he's GOOD at his job. 6 shirts in the Reckoning is an endorsement of his skill at designing shirts people want to buy.
You want to widen the net, get more artists into the derby wins, then change it COMPLETELY. The Design is announced on the last day of the month, Submissions open on the 5th, and close on the 15th. Voting closes on the 27 of the month. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday of every week are 4 randomly chosen picks form the top 20 voted designs. We'll have fewer topics, more diversification, and the odds 1 artist gets 4 designs in on topic and under the time is really thin.
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■(1:40 PM, 7/27/2012) bounty42 quips, "Forget Guest Editor, what we need is a Guest Rejectionator."
■(10:40 AM, 6/21/2012 ) bounty42 inquires, "Is it just me, or do we not typically get this many Editors Choice shirts?"
■(2:02 PM, 6/15/2012) bounty42 runs numbers.
■(10:40 AM, 6/7/2012) bounty42 dispenses wisdom for all those 'too late' naysayers, "A woot shirt is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to."
■(3:20 PM, 5/18/2012) bounty42 states, "The turtle is very cute, and I love the smug look he's got."
Mavyn
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loridi wrote:
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However, I have to wonder about woot's decision to use RamyB for a daily given his current domination of the reckoning. Before someone points out that his shirts sell, it's not actually good business for woot to be dependent on a single artist the way they seem to be slowly becoming dependent on him. Just a little something for them to consider.
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Something I've seen is that artists who DO try a few derbies, and see pretty well the same group in the top 20 every derby get very discouraged and don't want to keep submitting. Frustrating to see some REALLY great designs get 20-30 votes, while ho-hum ones from a big name get hundreds. I don't know what can be done, but this is one of the biggest reasons the double take derbies and editors choices used to be so great--they pulled the GOOD designs, not just the unprinted fog.
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bounty42
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citizencoyote wrote: I was surprised Woot went with his daily submission today, given his six available shirts and fogged entry. Conceivably he could have eight shirts in the Reckoning next week. That's crazy! However, it shows that Woot either knows what will sell, or doesn't take artist name into consideration when choosing designs.
I'm not surprised, that's an awesome shirt. The only reason I didn't pull the trigger on one this morning (making it my 3rd non-random purchase) is because I'm worried I can't wear Anvil shirts with my Psorisis, and I'm waiting for my son's Ninja Blade to arrive so I can assess the fabric first.
As for 8 shirts in the reckoning, that just means odds are good he's going to be in the bottom 7 next week, possibly several times.
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■(1:40 PM, 7/27/2012) bounty42 quips, "Forget Guest Editor, what we need is a Guest Rejectionator."
■(10:40 AM, 6/21/2012 ) bounty42 inquires, "Is it just me, or do we not typically get this many Editors Choice shirts?"
■(2:02 PM, 6/15/2012) bounty42 runs numbers.
■(10:40 AM, 6/7/2012) bounty42 dispenses wisdom for all those 'too late' naysayers, "A woot shirt is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to."
■(3:20 PM, 5/18/2012) bounty42 states, "The turtle is very cute, and I love the smug look he's got."
bounty42
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So I did some quick Derby stats for this weeks Derby, the only caveat is that people can pull thier submissions, so Sequential data may not have been accurate all week.
Fogged Shirts, by Order Submitted:
4, 6, 9, 17, 31, 35*, 41, 49, 60
Total number of submissions: 112
Number of Shirts Submitted in first 24 hours: 64
Number Submitted After Monday Noon:13
Rejected: 7
Of the top 20, only 2 were not submitted in the first 24 hours.
Of the shirts after Monday, The highest ranked are 49th (+91) and 74th (+43)
Top 20 requires +230, Fog requires at least +450.
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■(1:40 PM, 7/27/2012) bounty42 quips, "Forget Guest Editor, what we need is a Guest Rejectionator."
■(10:40 AM, 6/21/2012 ) bounty42 inquires, "Is it just me, or do we not typically get this many Editors Choice shirts?"
■(2:02 PM, 6/15/2012) bounty42 runs numbers.
■(10:40 AM, 6/7/2012) bounty42 dispenses wisdom for all those 'too late' naysayers, "A woot shirt is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to."
■(3:20 PM, 5/18/2012) bounty42 states, "The turtle is very cute, and I love the smug look he's got."
bounty42
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aerc712 wrote:That is a good point. One thing that I noticed with the Open Spaces derby is that there were quite a few great designs early on from a variety of artists. There was a little more notice with that one and it seemed to result in better designs.
120 Designs with 0 rejections.
Last Advance notice we had was One Word, which was 2 week notice, with 350 Designs, with 53 rejections (and about 50 withdrawls)
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■(1:40 PM, 7/27/2012) bounty42 quips, "Forget Guest Editor, what we need is a Guest Rejectionator."
■(10:40 AM, 6/21/2012 ) bounty42 inquires, "Is it just me, or do we not typically get this many Editors Choice shirts?"
■(2:02 PM, 6/15/2012) bounty42 runs numbers.
■(10:40 AM, 6/7/2012) bounty42 dispenses wisdom for all those 'too late' naysayers, "A woot shirt is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to."
■(3:20 PM, 5/18/2012) bounty42 states, "The turtle is very cute, and I love the smug look he's got."
bounty42
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j5 wrote:0 rejections was atypical, since many rejection worthy designs remained in place. I have no definitive proof, but I believe it was as a result of the sponsorship. Also, now that shirtwhat is debilitated, we can't track early rejections that are removed by artists.
To another point; more time for submission gives some artists the time to submit more entries vs better entries.
I don't know about that. I was looking through ShirtWhat earlier and Ramyb was doing 3 or 4 per derby when he started, now he does 1.
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■(1:40 PM, 7/27/2012) bounty42 quips, "Forget Guest Editor, what we need is a Guest Rejectionator."
■(10:40 AM, 6/21/2012 ) bounty42 inquires, "Is it just me, or do we not typically get this many Editors Choice shirts?"
■(2:02 PM, 6/15/2012) bounty42 runs numbers.
■(10:40 AM, 6/7/2012) bounty42 dispenses wisdom for all those 'too late' naysayers, "A woot shirt is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to."
■(3:20 PM, 5/18/2012) bounty42 states, "The turtle is very cute, and I love the smug look he's got."
Mavyn
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citizencoyote wrote:I would love to see more Editor's Choice prints. They happen every now and then, but putting some in the side sale would definitely encourage more artists to submit to the Derby. The Second Chance Derby is great, too, but it's sad to see so many good designs and know that all but three won't print (outside of ECs).
Not giving Honorary Mentions to designs from the fog would help, I think. The point should be to highlight designs that people overlooked, not those that just lost of the fight.
But that's just me, and I'm sure I've bought some of the 'offenders', so shouldn't complain too loudly. I would like to see more done to encourage unprinted artists, but can't get behind singling them out or marginalizing the great work from the 'big names'. It's not fair, but as with anything that requires skill, fair is a moving target. It's not 'fair' that I'll never win a derby--but there's nothing Shirt.woot could do to improve my skills to the point where I'd be competitive.
My speech is not splitting. I am speaking in Cthulhu.
bounty42
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citizencoyote wrote:I would love to see more Editor's Choice prints. They happen every now and then, but putting some in the side sale would definitely encourage more artists to submit to the Derby. The Second Chance Derby is great, too, but it's sad to see so many good designs and know that all but three won't print (outside of ECs).
Perhaps they should replace 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, with 1st, 2nd, and Top first time print artist? That way every Derby has 1 new artist. That could of course backfire, as the top never print could be one of those 3 voters down at the bottom, especially after that program hasbeen going for a while.
Numquam minoris aestimo potentia stultis, maxime in magna coetus
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■(1:40 PM, 7/27/2012) bounty42 quips, "Forget Guest Editor, what we need is a Guest Rejectionator."
■(10:40 AM, 6/21/2012 ) bounty42 inquires, "Is it just me, or do we not typically get this many Editors Choice shirts?"
■(2:02 PM, 6/15/2012) bounty42 runs numbers.
■(10:40 AM, 6/7/2012) bounty42 dispenses wisdom for all those 'too late' naysayers, "A woot shirt is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to."
■(3:20 PM, 5/18/2012) bounty42 states, "The turtle is very cute, and I love the smug look he's got."
