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bounty42 wrote:I'm parsing the Data, but One thing that pops out instantly, Everything appears to have STOPPED about 10 minutes before the end of the Woot-Off, thoughts?

The woot servers might want to get tested?

There have been significant problems with this Woot-Off so far. I don't think the new site is handling it well. Didn't we get some sort of server upgrade recently?

quabaq wrote:There have been significant problems with this Woot-Off so far. I don't think the new site is handling it well. Didn't we get some sort of server upgrade recently?

About 2 weeks ago.

UPDATE: I refreshed my pages, and I got numbers from much closer to when the woot-off ended, which are 30-60 shirts higher than the number at the 'offical' numbers at close that were 18 minutes old at the time.

I *THINK* first post sale sell is refreshing the data. I am capturing both number sets.

So when the price snapped from $12 to $15, most of the shirts had last sale 16-20 minutes ago. I grabbed these numbers, then refreshed 1 of my 3 sets of windows. Some of them jumped to 4-6 minutes, which would have been when the closed sign went up, and these numbers were different. I captured these numbers too, but not all of them changed. The last 5 (down below) reached 50 minutes since last sale before they updated. Problem is, some updated to 20-26 minutes ago, and some updated to a few seconds - 6 minutes ago.

So here's the numbers, as best as I could grab them:

SHIRT - Opening - at close(difference) - Timestamp at close(difference)
These are at Close of Woot-off
Cats Resume - 5027 - 5102 (75) - 5128 (101)
Thanks For All The Fish - 5053 - 5106 (53) - 5132 (79)
Settler Cats - 2657 - 2702 (45) - 2722 (65)
Star Powered - 4555 - 4654 (99) - 4693 (138)
Family Breakfast - 16365 - 16421 (56) - 16460 (95)
F This - 2947 - 2999 (52) - 3039 (92)
A Most Civilized Game - 2221 - 2261 (40) - 2275 (54)
Swept Away - 2474 - 2519 (45) - 2546 (72)
The Keepers of the Word - 3074 - 3103 (29) - 3129 (55)
Shhhhhhh - 13188 - 13293 (105) - 13331 (143)
Nevermore - 49168 - 49234 (66) - 49263 (95)
Artichokey - 4559 - 4610 (51) - 4641 (82)
1971-Floppy Diskette - 9995 - 10074 (79) - 10111 (116)
Star Fishing - 1357 - 1377 (20) - 1393 (36)
Leonardo - 7537 - 7589 (52) - 7610 (73)
Inconceivable - 2384 - 2412 (28) - 2427 (43)
We Be Rollin' - 1955 - 1995 (40) - 2013 (58)
Iron or Gold - 3032 - 3070 (38) - 3081 (49)
Just One More Game - 1310 - 1331 (21) - 1337 (27)
Little Red Fighting Hood - 646 - 667 (21) - 671 (25)
Cranes Nouveau - 973 - 992 (19) - 999 (26)
Pip-squeak - 700 - 710 (10) - 715 (15)
I love Science - 4019 - 4082 (63) - 4124 (105)

These are PROBABLY RIGHT (Time stamp was old but was it old enough?)
The Formula For Success - 11750 - 11847 (97) - 11900 (150)
The Binge - 59061 - 59142 (81) - 59184 (123)

These DEFINATELY include Post Woot-off Sales Timestamp wasn't OLD
Unstealthiest Ninja 3 - 4976 - 5193 (217) - 5301 (325)
World Domination for Cats - 1462 - 1483 (21) - 1496 (34)
Tough to Please - 1245 - 1259 (14) - 1266 (21)

bounty42 wrote:You know you're a Cosplay Nerf if your first thought is "How did they make that armor."

You know you'r a pervert if your first thought is "is that Mario a Chick?"

You know you're a cosplay pervert if your first thought was "mmm Samus Aran..."

bounty42 wrote:You know you're a Cosplay Nerf if your first thought is "How did they make that armor."

You know you'r a pervert if your first thought is "is that Mario a Chick?"

I had the second thought, but that's 'cause I'm a high school teacher - no PDA regardless of gender combination

Interestingly, Relative Dimensions and Only Memories are still available on the Amazon Woot! Site, though only in men's sizes.

jbdigriz wrote:Agreed. Maybe it has something to do with the side sale shirts being a limited run? Or, wait, is that just the specialty items like bags and aprons that can sell out?

I'm pretty sure that the side sale items are printed on demand, one time, after the sale is over. That's why they have those, these won't start shipping till ... warnings.

The side sales are to increase profit so I don't see them dropping the prices on those items as woot has gone to the pure profit side of things lately.

Also, since discussions aren't allowed on woot! plus events we are unable to view sales figures of the side sales now.

But have any shirts being offered ever outsold a daily shirt? I wonder if there were a few really popular side sale items, versus very poor performing new daily shirts, that they might look to change the whole reckoning format in the future. But maybe, this is all hearsay, because only 5%(gross estimation) of wooters know the side sales exist which mean shirts there will never perform as well as the daily shirts...

renegadetim wrote:
But have any shirts being offered ever outsold a daily shirt?...

Since our basis for comparison is poor Housewarming Gifts: sure, side sale shirts have definitely outsold a Daily!

neuropsychosocial wrote:Since our basis for comparison is poor Housewarming Gifts: sure, side sale shirts have definitely outsold a Daily!

Indeed. The best selling side sale shirts so far is Darth Meow - Sold 514.

(It would've been at least 515 if it weren't for ... well, you know.)

Narfcake wrote:Indeed. The best selling side sale shirts so far is Darth Meow - Sold 514.

(It would've been at least 515 if it weren't for ... well, you know.)

Are we tracking this side sale? Unprinted HMs may sell better than recycled designs.

bounty42 wrote:Are we tracking this side sale? Unprinted HMs may sell better than recycled designs.

No sales numbers available for side sales since the redesign.

neuropsychosocial wrote:No sales numbers available for side sales since the redesign.

Correct. I was able to grab them in the past because after the sale closed, the "sold" numbers would've been displayed on the shirt's page.

Narfcake wrote:Correct. I was able to grab them in the past because after the sale closed, the "sold" numbers would be displayed on the shirt's page.

But now they're on discussion pages and these don't have discussion pages...

Do the reboots discussion pages reflect their updated numbers?

bounty42 wrote:But now they're on discussion pages and these don't have discussion pages...

Do the reboots discussion pages reflect their updated numbers?

Correct. And they are combined now, hence losing my last Wooter on two DoOomcat designs.

Narfcake wrote:Correct. And they are combined now, hence losing my last Wooter on two DoOomcat designs.

Pretty sure you still have Mostest Wooter on them!

bounty42 wrote:But now they're on discussion pages and these don't have discussion pages...

Do the reboots discussion pages reflect their updated numbers?

Many of them seem to (I'm certainly not going to check them all!). An obvious thought is that we could use Narfcake's data for any side sale shirt Reckoned since mid-2011. However, Narfcake doesn't collect "final" sales numbers for shirts: the last number that he has for a shirt is Monday noon, so there's no accurate starting numbers.

I have final sales numbers for the shirts debuted and Reckoned (or Wreckoned) since January 16, 2012, but I don't think we've seen any side sale shirts that fall into that category, right?

neuropsychosocial wrote:Many of them seem to (I'm certainly not going to check them all!). An obvious thought is that we could use Narfcake's data for any side sale shirt Reckoned since mid-2011. However, Narfcake doesn't collect "final" sales numbers for shirts: the last number that he has for a shirt is Monday noon, so there's no accurate starting numbers.

I have final sales numbers for the shirts debuted and Reckoned (or Wreckoned) since January 16, 2012, but I don't think we've seen any side sale shirts that fall into that category, right?

Eh, just a matter of actually BEING here at Midnight monday to grab them quickly before sales start. Just like we do with Day1 shirts.

bounty42 wrote:Eh, just a matter of actually BEING here at Midnight monday to grab them quickly before sales start. Just like we do with Day1 shirts.

Narfcake did that for months. Last week was the first that we could have grabbed numbers, although only for the t-shirts obviously, but I think the non-Reckoning shirts weren't fixed by Sunday night/Monday morning. This week, we have completely accurate starting numbers for the side sale, but there won't be any closing numbers!

neuropsychosocial wrote:Narfcake did that for months. Last week was the first that we could have grabbed numbers, although only for the t-shirts obviously, but I think the non-Reckoning shirts weren't fixed by Sunday night/Monday morning. This week, we have completely accurate starting numbers for the side sale, but there won't be any closing numbers!

What's killing me is we're in a Black hole for Reckoning Numbers. We know this week, and last week, but not the 2 before that. (which you know of course) Maybe it's time to break back out the predictive equasions I was working on, see if we can 'reverse engineer' numbers.

bounty42 wrote:Maybe it's time to break back out the predictive equasions I was working on, see if we can 'reverse engineer' numbers.

Go for it - I'm not about to get that carried away. I've seen enough reckonings wreck a shirt's survival, and aspects that could predict, like votes and debut day sales, don't.

bounty42 wrote:Maybe it's time to break back out the predictive equasions I was working on, see if we can 'reverse engineer' numbers.

I swore a professional oath against reverse-engineering data.

To add to the side sale discussio, (in the reckoning thread because there is no side sale thread) I wonder if these were imagined to be much more successful than they actually are.

If the best a shirt has done in the side sale is 500+ this makes it clear to me why they only create one screen to print all sizes of shirts (as neuro has pointed out). I'm sure they aren't losing money on the side sales as they print to order and charge higher prices, but it can't be what they had imagined originally for the idea.

The print to order thing should be true unless we start to see side sale items in randoms, which is doubtful.

It all just seems to go with everything else woot has done to congest its main premise.

One woot/kids/shirt/wine a day, plus the reckoning.

Too many designs and shirts available make it like threadless and designs by humans. Both sites I hardly ever check because there's too much there to go through regularly.

Same complaints many have about the other plus! sites as well...

renegadetim wrote:To add to the side sale discussio, (in the reckoning thread because there is no side sale thread) I wonder if these were imagined to be much more successful than they actually are.

There's a thread for the current side sale here. Woot dabbled in some occasional "Special Events" that did okay; I suspect they imagined sales for the weekly side sales would be on par with the sales figures for the Special Events, but anything weekly carries less consumer "urgency" - plus, they'd run through most of the items guaranteed to sell well. I bet if they offer a Binge hoodie again, they'd sell over 500 easily. (Narfcake has a theory that woot ramped up printing capacity following Cheese, but Reckoning sales haven't been supporting the additional capacity, so the side sales are an attempt to make use of the newly added capacity. I think he's onto something there.)

If the best a shirt has done in the side sale is 500+ this makes it clear to me why they only create one screen to print all sizes of shirts (as neuro has pointed out). I'm sure they aren't losing money on the side sales as they print to order and charge higher prices, but it can't be what they had imagined originally for the idea.

I'm not sure what the line is for losing money on items: they need to pay people to set up the printing machine and there's sunk costs to printing, so I wouldn't be surprised if they lose money on shirts than sell less than a certain number of copies - especially if they sell only a handful of copies in women's or kids' sizes, because they need to clean the machine in between using the men's stencil and the women's/kids' stencil. So yeah, it might be cheaper for them to print the only five copies ordered in women's sizes using the men's stencil, wait for three of us to notice, and then offer us refunds. BTW, tgentry confirmed that they're supposed to be using two stencils: I suspect printing is just getting... well, let's note that tgentry is in Seattle and printing is in Texas.

The print to order thing should be true unless we start to see side sale items in randoms, which is doubtful.

Narfcake got cheeseandwich's Cupcake shirt as a Random; others also got side sale shirts in the last batch of Randoms, although I don't have a sense of how common it was.

renegadetim wrote:If the best a shirt has done in the side sale is 500+ this makes it clear to me why they only create one screen to print all sizes of shirts (as neuro has pointed out).

I think I posted this in the other thread, but if you divide the sales on our biggest seller (The Binge) and divide by the weeks it's been available, it's only selling 400 per week, so 500 per week is impressive. EDIT: *HEADDESK* but I did it during the Woot-off, so it was done in the wife's account. Good one Bounty! In fact, here's last weeks numbers as an isolated week, it looks a lot like our side sale numbers:

Unstealthiest Ninja 3 - 475
Settler Cats - 244
Cats Resume - 213
Star Powered - 180
The Formula For Success - 155
Artichokey - 151
Nevermore - 147
F This - 145
Inconceivable - 140
A Most Civilized Game - 138
1971-Floppy Diskette - 138
Thanks For All The Fish - 132
The Binge - 129
Star Fishing - 105
Family Breakfast - 103
Shhhhhhh - 100
Tough to Please - 96
We Be Rollin' - 91
Leonardo - 85
Iron or Gold - 39

bounty42 wrote: In fact, here's last weeks numbers as an isolated week, it looks a lot like our side sale numbers:

Ah, things, including the side sale numbers, make more sense now. Not being a numbers sort, these per week numbers give me a better perspective.

What's with the servers crapping out at midnight again? Almost made me not want to do the numbers again ...

Legend: Current rank (Baseline rank) Shirt Name - total quantity as of this posting. DSR are for informational purposes only and not 100% accurate.
1 (1) Unstealthiest Ninja 3 4 - (+487) to 5437. Approx. 74.9 real time DSR; 62.15 Woot-based DSR
2 (2) Cats Resume - (+191) to 5204. Approx. 52.47 real time DSR; 43.08 Woot-based DSR
3 (4) Settler Cats - (+136) to 2785. Approx. 43.05 real time DSR; 32.69 Woot-based DSR
4 (3) Thanks For All The Fish - (+127) to 5173. Approx. 39.31 real time DSR; 33.71 Woot-based DSR
5 (5) Star Powered - (+210) to 4757. Approx. 37.08 real time DSR; 31.57 Woot-based DSR
6 (6) Family Breakfast - (+126) to 16484. No DSR is available due to the Wreckoning.
7 (7) The Formula For Success - (+214) to 11952. No DSR is available due to the Wreckoning.
8 (8) F This - (+158) to 3095. Approx. 25.45 real time DSR; 20.65 Woot-based DSR
9 (12) Swept Away - (+128) to 2591. Approx. 35.44 real time DSR; 22.42 Woot-based DSR
10 (9) A Most Civilized Game - (+104) to 2320. Approx. 25.29 real time DSR; 19.94 Woot-based DSR
11 (13) The Binge - (+183) to 59231. No DSR is available due to the Wreckoning.
12 (11) Shhhhhhh - (+190) to 13370. No DSR is available due to the Wreckoning.
13 (15) Artichokey - (+145) to 4689. No DSR is available due to the Wreckoning.
14 (16) Nevermore - (+144) to 49302. No DSR is available due to the Wreckoning.
15 (14) 1971-Floppy Diskette - (+163) to 10156. No DSR is available due to the Wreckoning.
16 (10) The Keepers of the Word - (+83) to 3149. Approx. 14.99 real time DSR; 13.02 Woot-based DSR
17 (20) Inconceivable - (+96) to 2471. Approx. 19.28 real time DSR; 14.3 Woot-based DSR
18 (23) World Domination for Cats - (+81) to 1531. Approx. 23.95 real time DSR; 14.12 Woot-based DSR
19 (18) Leonardo - (+125) to 7659. No DSR is available due to the Wreckoning.
20 (17) Star Fishing - (+65) to 1417. Approx. 15.38 real time DSR; 12.88 Woot-based DSR
21 (19) We Be Rollin' - (+91) to 2044. Approx. 16.49 real time DSR; 13.2 Woot-based DSR
22 (22) Tough to Please - (+42) to 1283. Approx. 13.74 real time DSR; 10.65 Woot-based DSR
23 (21) Iron or Gold - (+76) to 3102. No DSR is available due to the Wreckoning.
24 (24) Just One More Game - (+50) to 1356. Approx. 13.98 real time DSR; 9.74 Woot-based DSR
25 (27) Little Red Fighting Hood - (+59) to 695. Approx. 16.71 real time DSR; 8.93 Woot-based DSR
26 (25) Cranes Nouveau - (+45) to 1016. Approx. 9.32 real time DSR; 6.72 Woot-based DSR
27 (26) Pip-squeak - (+38) to 733. Approx. 9.84 real time DSR; 6.57 Woot-based DSR
91 (91) I Love Science - (+273) to 4241. Approx. 55.81 real time DSR; n/a Woot-based DSR
92 (92) Keyboard Cat - (+45) to 991. Approx. 22.38 real time DSR; n/a Woot-based DSR
93 (93) Your Ideas - (+35) to 1634. Approx. 34.64 real time DSR; n/a Woot-based DSR
94 (94) Liar's Paradox - 406.

Narfcake wrote:What's with the servers crapping out at midnight again? Almost made me not want to do the numbers again ...

I can think of several solutions to that...

It looks like sales have gone back up, and some of the older shirts that were hovering around the line last week because they were saddled with post-redesign, pre-Reckoning-link weeks of bad sales (handicapping them relative to newer shirts that debuted post-sales-paralysis) seem to be holding their own - so far.

How many shirts have reached 6,000 sales in two weeks? Cheese, of course, and the Dark Knight. Little UnNinja (the squishy of my heart!) and "that shirt whose name still seems like a misappropriation of an apostrophe to form a plural" seem to be racing their way towards the 8,000-shirt threshold to quality for the Best Sellers list - and that's even without Narfcake contributing his usual 10-purchases-of-each!

bounty42 wrote:I think I posted this in the other thread, but if you divide the sales on our biggest seller (The Binge) and divide by the weeks it's been available, it's only selling 400 per week, so 500 per week is impressive. EDIT: *HEADDESK* but I did it during the Woot-off, so it was done in the wife's account. Good one Bounty! In fact, here's last weeks numbers as an isolated week, it looks a lot like our side sale numbers:

Unstealthiest Ninja 3 - 475
Settler Cats - 244
Cats Resume - 213
Star Powered - 180
The Formula For Success - 155
Artichokey - 151
Nevermore - 147
F This - 145
Inconceivable - 140
A Most Civilized Game - 138
1971-Floppy Diskette - 138
Thanks For All The Fish - 132
The Binge - 129
Star Fishing - 105
Family Breakfast - 103
Shhhhhhh - 100
Tough to Please - 96
We Be Rollin' - 91
Leonardo - 85
Iron or Gold - 39

THANKS for this. This does shed a little light onto the side sales for me. However, most of the shirts in the reckoning did have debut days a lot bigger than their weekly sales, but in comparison, they do look pretty similar.

However, the reckoning shirts probably all have print runs and screens set up because of their time in the reckoning reducing the per shirt cost of production versus the weekly sales shirts.

Yes, the very poorly performing debut shirts sell less than 1000 somewhat regularly, but there are typically lots of those found in randoms, and the side sales never sell more than 1000 and they just started appearing in randoms.

I'm pretty sure "The binge", "Nevermore", and the recent best sellers, probably have a setup of their own that just continue to mass produce just those particular shirts only.

I guess just seeing the DSR's didn't compute that they were selling similarly to weekly sales, so thanks for the comparison. I still don't think the weekly sales are doing as great as they hoped for though.

neuropsychosocial wrote:How many shirts have reached 6,000 sales in two weeks? Cheese, of course, and the Dark Knight.

I'm sure someone else actual stats on this, but I know on the current list Formula for Success, Shhhhh and Floppy Diskette all hit 6,000 on the first day. EDIT: So did Family Breakfast, but it was from before I started keeping watch.

Leonardo hit it right at the very end of its second week active in the Reckoning. I haven't researched any further than that though.

renegadetim wrote:THANKS for this. This does shed a little light onto the side sales for me. However, most of the shirts in the reckoning did have debut days a lot bigger than their weekly sales, but in comparison, they do look pretty similar.

However, the reckoning shirts probably all have print runs and screens set up because of their time in the reckoning reducing the per shirt cost of production versus the weekly sales shirts.

Yes, the very poorly performing debut shirts sell less than 1000 somewhat regularly, but there are typically lots of those found in randoms, and the side sales never sell more than 1000 and they just started appearing in randoms.

I'm pretty sure "The binge", "Nevermore", and the recent best sellers, probably have a setup of their own that just continue to mass produce just those particular shirts only.

I guess just seeing the DSR's didn't compute that they were selling similarly to weekly sales, so thanks for the comparison. I still don't think the weekly sales are doing as great as they hoped for though.

It's a trade., But I do think a lot of our 'numbers' come from being a feature on the main page.

That said, being a 'feature' allows you to do a forward print model: I know I'm seeing a 4K shirt, and that it's doing 10% in WM, so I can print 400 WM shirts, and most will sell. Those that don't go into the random's bin.

Whereas I think they're right about the Side sale, they know preprint that they sold 35 WM, so they print enough to fill. Note always that enough WM to cover 35 may well be 40, to account for misprint, misship, replacement, etc. So we'd see 2-3 of them in the Randoms, but nowhere near what I'd expect to see for a Daily.

Individual shirt threads missing from the current derby???? What gives?

grahamcrackercoyote wrote:Individual shirt threads missing from the current derby???? What gives?

Competent management? Or perhaps we're being too picky: after all, this is only the 258th Derby; they're still working out the kinks.

neuropsychosocial wrote:Competent management? Or perhaps we're being too picky: after all, this is only the 258th Derby; they're still working out the kinks.

Woot is kinky?!?

neuropsychosocial wrote:Competent management? Or perhaps we're being too picky: after all, this is only the 258th Derby; they're still working out the kinks.

Derby 3 in this farm though.

I've noticed we've taken the images from shirt.woot.com to [randomstring].cloudfront.net.

They've moved the old Derbies in the Tree structure. From Derby/### to Derby/archive/### (which likely indicates a system move)

All of the shirts appear to be at \offer\name now, wasn't paying attention to where they were before, but that wasn't it.

I'm guessing they're making incremental changes to the site as well (reckoning numbers for instance).

grahamcrackercoyote wrote:Woot is kinky?!?

Woot would like you to F This so you can be Funk Buddies, and if it's not Your Idea of a good time you're Free To Go.

But remember, there's One in Every Group, Preparing The Night for When Knight Falls.

bounty42 wrote:... All of the shirts appear to be at \offer\name now, wasn't paying attention to where they were before, but that wasn't it.

It used to be http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=nnnnn where nnnnn is the saleid number.

My favorite numbers ... 14639 and 18060. Yes, I memorized them.

Narfcake wrote:It used to be http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=nnnnn where nnnnn is the saleid number.

My favorite numbers ... 14639 and 18060. Yes, I memorized them.

Interstingly that still works, as does http://shirt.woot.com/offers/fresh-cake
or my fav" url=\offers\fresh-cake weird that the slashes are backwards, no?

bounty42 wrote:Interstingly that still works

One of the first things I checked post-design was whether the old "item number" URLs redirected to the "offer" URLs. Can you imagine the mess around the forums if ALL the old links to older item pages were broken? The trading thread alone would have been a nightmare. I was grateful that woot realized that "backward compatibility" was important. (FWIW, at the time, I noticed a distinct lag between clicking on an old link and the new "offer" page loading. I haven't tried it recently to compare.)

I refuse to investigate which shirts Narf is referencing, just on principle. I bet the result is that he'll tell me anyway.

neuropsychosocial wrote:I refuse to investigate which shirts Narf is referencing, just on principle. I bet the result is that he'll tell me anyway.

Bounty answered one of them already, and the other is safely hidden away, NOT in the tshirt bunker.