I think a guest editor would have more responsibility than to just pick the design that makes them "squeeee" and instead pick something that represents excellence but also has strong marketability. Glittery gold ink is very, very easy to overdo resulting in something that looks like a glitter vinyl shirt from the 70s.
This is an interesting take and not sure it's one that I agree with. I do think that the editor should be picking a shirt that represents excellence. I, however, vehemently disagree that the editor should give even a thought to the marketability or selling potential of the design. Something that is better as a design should never be passed up for something lesser that might sell a bit more (especially because it might not even sell more anyway).
I also think this is even more true given woot's pick for second. If they continue on like this (and there is really no reason to think that they won't), woot will be taking care of the pop culture/pandering. I'd say that makes it all the more vital that the editor picks for design merit.
edit: Woot's pick for second is also hilarious because they just picked the second place shirt roflvoteslol...
j5 wrote:I like the Ukiyo-e style that perfectly fits the composition. It has just enough gold for accent, but not so much that it overpowers the shirt. Actually, I'd like to see it without the gold outlines and just the semi-random flecks. The piece tells a dynamic story that a viewer can easily "read".
I agree to a point. I think it is a nice image and it's one that drew my eye when I was first going through the designs. I was really hopeful looking at the screenshot that it would be a contender, but when I saw the full mock it just really doesn't work for me on the shirt. I think it's partially because the design elements are a bit disjointed creating distinct contrast between the fish, the water, the hills, and the clouds. So when it is put on the shirt it doesn't blend into the shirt well and has that "pasted on" look to me.
renegadetim wrote:I love this concept and will check these threads out each week if you continue them...
However, do you think this might sway the actual guest editor to maybe not pick any of the picks anyone on this thread chooses because they won't want to seem like they just picked someone else's suggestion?
As in, "I don't want people to think I only picked this design because mrwednesday pointed out to me and everyone else how cool it was." So, then to avoid that, they pick something else instead?
I'm most likely overthinking this, but if I were ever guest editor, I would most likely not look at this thread for that week because of this issue. Just my two cents.
I love the concept though, and maybe, if it is an issue, we could all just do it after the voting's closed or whenever the guest editor has to turn their vote in.
I think that it's possible that the guest editor could be swayed and under no circumstances do I think that's a bad thing. Even when I was following and commenting on the derbies much more regularly than I do now, it was common that I would completely miss an extremely high quality design because I just glanced over it for whatever reason or because the thumbnail didn't get me to click. Having a place where good things are collected is at the very least a good check for, "did I overlook or miss something?"
That said, I expect that the guest editor will pick the design they think is the best regardless of the opinion of anyone else. That's what I'd do. I know a lot of people are worried about the guest editor being polluted or bribed or interfered with. I'm not worried in the slightest.
endangeredomega wrote:It's a late entry, but my hands-down favourite this week is PixelPants' "A Million Sunsets". The textures are fabulously done, particularly the rusty patina on the robot. The use of the gold is subtle enough so as not to be overpowering, and really gives the overall design a sense of warmth. The design sets a definite mood and creates a strong sense of story. (Also, I'll admit a little personal bias. I really bloody love robots.)
When I saw that one get submitted I lamented a bit posting the thread so early, because it was good enough to give me pause about my choice. I had to think about it a bit, but in the end I'd still go with my original thought. The design is totally worthy if it were chosen though.
j5 wrote:I'm not judging your choice, because it's a good design, but isn't that the antithesis of what Woot represents?
Not in a long long long long time if ever really. There are a lot of really bad reasons to choose a design but I don't really think being able to see it sold in a store is one of them. I don't think different is good for different's sake. There are a lot of derby winners you won't find in stores, but by no means does that make them good. the same is true for the opposite. Each design really needs to be judged on its own merit, not how popular/common the style may be.
blanked wrote:Hm, many I would put in my top 5 are already here. So here is something new.
Star damsel turned in a very nice cute design. It has movement, and while the hord is very detailed in contrast to the dragon the amount doesn't over power the dragon.
I know the rules stat not to compar to others, but as there is a same concept in the running I would like to say why I choose this over the other. I love kinzoku's beautifully detailed dragon, but the hoard has little detail on it and is much larger than the dragon, overpowering the little guy.
Though if Star had noticed/had time to color Kinzoku's sketch in her thread that one would have won.
Just as a note, that kind of comparison is fine and welcome. My comment was more about picking a design and describing why everything else sucks rather than what was good about the one actually chosen.
Anyway, it is funny how different people see things. I would make the exact opposite choice for a few reasons. One, I simply prefer the style kinzoku used to that of stardamsel. In particular, I really like the thick blurry outlines kinzoku used. It really makes the design feel hand drawn and unique. Additionally, The colors kinzoku used really contrast well and pop on the shirt. Stardamsel's looks a bit drab for my taste.
The final reason is that I don't think the two are exactly comparable. Stardamsel clearly drew a young dragon so it is defending the small coins and jewels only temporarily until it grows larger. However, kinzoku's looks to me more like a very very small adult dragon. Along with the aesthetics, just the image of this tiny dragon ferociously guarding its tiny pile of coins is something I find really charming.
ressamac wrote:Great choices from everyone but I was surprised no one picked Jewelwing's entry. Love the art and the colors. It is creepy cool.
I considered this one because there are a lot of positives, but in the end one thing went against it. As for the positives, the first is simply having jewelwing submitting again, which is awesome to see. She always does a spectacular job and I love the composition, the colors, and her style. On the negative side though, The main problem (to reiterate what others have said) is that if you don't get the reference the shirt doesn't make any sense. I've played through bioshock, but not enough to immediately get the reference, and that is a major weak point to me.
Josephus wrote:I had 2-3 choices, but I finally rejected the others and picked Artulo's Scarab design. It evokes ancient necklaces, and the colors go so well together. The gold is not overpowering, I just like it a lot.
I really love the image and artulo's work, but this is another that I just don't think looks good on the shirt. There's too stark a contrast between design and shirt and they are not well integrated. I think in the shirt world we are at the point where it's pretty much necessary that the shirt aid the design rather than just being a thing for the design to sit on.
Sorry for the long massive post of replies. I didn't really plan or want to do it this way, but I've been pretty busy. I did want to respond to comments since this is all about discussion (for me anyway). People seem to enjoy the thread so I'll keep doing them on a weekly basis till people stop being interested. I'll probably post Monday night or sometime Tuesday so that most designs have been submitted but there is still time before the shirts print to talk about them. Feel free to keep discussion going on any of them as long as you'd like!