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logicape wrote:I respect your input, and I've tried to embrace this point of view. I just have a hard time with the blatant inconsistencies and 'Hollywoodisms', most seeming to cash in by trying to meet audience expectations.
Some of these include: The bog-creature outside the mines (cool sequence, but entirely made up), Boromir's quip, "They have a cave troll." before the battle in Balin's tomb, Sam fighting orcs with pots and pans (really?), Gimli's unorthodox (and clumsy) fighting (in the books he's a badass, not a walking joke), and of course your allusion to the leaning pillar sequence, which actually seemed pretty cool when compared to the movie's worst line, "No one tosses a dwarf." Sadly, there shouldn't be so many examples from just a single 20-minute bit...
Sorry - I just get re-agitated when I remember how Jackson took something so long-lived and beloved and turned it into something so base. Considering the current popularity of Honey Boo Boo and every other bloody 'reality' show, it's not surprising what appeals to the masses.
All due respect and from a fellow LOTR nerd (who was not terribly impressed with the movies).
The Watcher in the Water did indeed exist. The scene was lengthened in the movie - originally it was just Frodo gets grabbed, then Sam slashes it and it lets go. No movie is ad verbatim, but I agree that an orc-cheiftain is no cave troll. It would be natural for Boromir to be surprised. I completely concur about Gimli's and Sam's fighing. I do agree that the pillar was unlikely, and that the only redeeming quality of Gimli's line was the recurrence in TTT.
The scene may not have been the most true to the book; however, it was a good scene in it's own right. (To be fair, that's my opinion of the movies as a whole). To be completely honest, while the Balrog was B.A., it didn't quite match my expectations (based entirely off Tolkien's descriptions).
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