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There was a time before graphic chips, before GUIs, and even before monitor displays when computers used only the 95 printable ASCII characters. Like Egyptian hyroglyphicians, early pioneers of digital art had to do more with less, and that's what we're asking for this week. In celebration of this old-school nerd-fest, we're giving out terrific (?) prizes to the top vote-getters:

First Place: $1,000 plus a "gold-plated" Commodore 64
Second Place: $1,000 plus a "silver-plated" 5 1/4" floppy diskette
Third Place: $1,000 plus a Pile of Wires

  • Must be original ASCII art. No copy/pasting someone else's work. 
  • Each text character must be made up of one solid color.  
  • No Block Ascii/High Ascii
  • Text should be at no smaller than 14pt. We'll reject if we think the text looks too small to print or reduce for smaller sizes. 
  • Normal copyright rules apply. 



lichme


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This should be interesting. Great theme.

sonofafish


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I wonder if "someone else's work" includes ascii art generators.

omarfeliciano


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First Place: $1,000 plus a "gold-plated" Commodore 64
Second Place: $1,000 plus a "silver-plated" 5 1/4" floppy diskette
Third Place: $1,000 plus a Pile of Wires



I NEED that pile of wires!

Q: 6 colors still allowed?

bluetuba


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ಠ_ಠ

This could be very good, or very very bad. Better not mess this up nerds!

"You can't just dress a Minion like Spock, and add a caption that says "Logical Me". There's a prison for people like that. Below my house."

benjaminleebates


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two questions...
1. What font is best suited for this?

2. Can you please make it clear whether or not a ASCII generator is allowed?

Lyonscc will use the generator if allowed, GUARANTEED! Please let's not.

marceepauff


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benjaminleebates wrote:two questions...
1. What font is best suited for this?

2. Can you please make it clear whether or not a ASCII generator is allowed?

Lyonscc will use the generator if allowed, GUARANTEED! Please let's not.



I don't see why a generator wouldn't be allowed - as long as you were generating something from original artwork. Besides, how would you even know or be able to prove if a generator was used?

benjaminleebates


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marceepauff wrote:I don't see why a generator wouldn't be allowed - as long as you were generating something from original artwork. Besides, how would you even know or be able to prove if a generator was used?



If it is ascii generated from your original work, then MAYBE. But then you get into the war over whether or not the work is yours. I called out a particular artist in my last post, because he has been called out repeated on using stuff he found on the web and then denying that he did so, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

So using a generator would be like saying, open season. Go grab anything you got, scan it in and call it a shirt.

To your point tho, if someone is really good, could they create something from scratch so well that it appears to have came from an ascii generator? HMMMM...

orabbit


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So can we get clarification or a link to the character set? No pipe character for example?

tiffanys09


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benjaminleebates wrote:two questions...
1. What font is best suited for this?

2. Can you please make it clear whether or not a ASCII generator is allowed?

Lyonscc will use the generator if allowed, GUARANTEED! Please let's not.



Any monospaced font is going to work for this. The internet can probably help you investigate that. Just remember as it says above, if the font looks too small to print well, we will probably axe it.

In regards to the ASCII generators, as people have mentioned above, there is not really a way for us to tell whether or not someone used a generator. Also, the generators themselves could have restrictions. So...

Normal color restrictions apply.

sonofafish


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marceepauff wrote:I don't see why a generator wouldn't be allowed - as long as you were generating something from original artwork. Besides, how would you even know or be able to prove if a generator was used?




My worry here is how much fudge room there is. Use of layers? Kerning? Nonstandard typefaces? You can push all of these boundaries a little to goose your design, but strictly speaking, could not produce similar designs with true ascii art. Where does creativity end and non-adherence to rules begin? Will the rejector even care?

If not, will this put the people who produced true ascii art at a disadvantage?

marceepauff


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sonofafish wrote:My worry here is how much fudge room there is. Use of layers? Kerning? Nonstandard typefaces? You can push all of these boundaries a little to goose your design, but strictly speaking, could not produce similar designs with true ascii art. Where does creativity end and non-adherence to rules begin? Will the rejector even care?

If not, will this put the people who produced true ascii art at a disadvantage?



I'm sure they expect boundary pushing. That's kind of the point. But I would think the bottom line would be that it needs to be recognizable as ascii and be original.

Spiritgreen


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Man, I haven't made any ASCII art since the days of usenet. Ultima Dragons, yo.

These are the 95 allowed characters:


If you use a generator you should probably post the original artwork too. A generator is just like any other filter. You're never allowed to use photos or other people's art, so that would be the best way to prove it.

benjaminleebates


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Spiritgreen wrote:Man, I haven't made any ASCII art since the days of usenet. Ultima Dragons, yo.

These are the 95 allowed characters:


If you use a generator you should probably post the original artwork too. A generator is just like any other filter. You're never allowed to use photos or other people's art, so that would be the best way to prove it.



Posting original would be great, but you know that's like pulling teeth. " Just trust me man, I didn't all my self, really I did, honest..." fingers crossed

sonofafish


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marceepauff wrote:I'm sure they expect boundary pushing. That's kind of the point. But I would think the bottom line would be that it needs to be recognizable as ascii and be original.



splitting hairs here, but I disagree that that's kinda the point. It IS the point, because I doubt it'll get you disqualified. Ref's not looking, so sweep the leg!

Spiritgreen


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benjaminleebates wrote:Posting original would be great, but you know that's like pulling teeth. " Just trust me man, I didn't all my self, really I did, honest..." fingers crossed



If it gets made an official requirement that'd help! :hint hint:

benjaminleebates


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Spiritgreen wrote:If it gets made an official requirement that'd help! :hint hint:



True, but how many times in all the derbies has that occurred?

taternuggets


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Spiritgreen wrote:If it gets made an official requirement that'd help! :hint hint:



Then you'll just have people claiming they didn't use a generator and the ascii art is the original art.


Nothing follows.

writermist


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I would think a generator would be cheating. The original artists had to figure out the shadows by trail and error. If generators are allowed then I can pick any of my pre-made art and just toss it in like that and have an entry ready in less than a minute. :/

benjaminleebates


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writermist wrote:I would think a generator would be cheating. The original artists had to figure out the shadows by trail and error. If generators are allowed then I can pick any of my pre-made art and just toss it in like that and have an entry ready in less than a minute. :/



DING DING DING, yes, exactly!

marceepauff


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writermist wrote:I would think a generator would be cheating. The original artists had to figure out the shadows by trail and error. If generators are allowed then I can pick any of my pre-made art and just toss it in like that and have an entry ready in less than a minute. :/



But again, there's no way to prove it one way or the other. Just because we have the technology to do it easily now doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to. That's like saying we can't use Photoshop filters or plug-ins because that's cheating...we used to have to do that the hard way too. Or saying that people who use a tablet instead of a mouse are cheating.

The hard part should be coming up with a unique and original idea that makes sense with the theme. Not to mention creating something that people would actually want to wear.

shikausstan


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(I've already decided to bold it up a bit)

I am not sure if a generator would produce the desired results that most people want anyway... and then there is the hassle of coloring (because if you want it colored it is in HTML but that won't copy paste into Photoshop or Gimp.) And trying to hack edit the screen shot will look pretty bad too. Anyways here is what I will be entering...

markymark77


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I think a generator is fine; if the results don't look like ASCII art (due to the generator working too good), it will not likely get too many votes. Kerning won't be possible with a monospaced font. So if you run a detailed design thru a generator, it won't look like ASCII art.

oakenspirit


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Man this is hard- haven't attempted making ascii art in YEARS. Fun though, in a tedious accomplishment way.



ambergreen


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NO one asked the most important question: Is the Commodore 64 in working order?

marceepauff


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ambergreen wrote:NO one asked the most important question: Is the Commodore 64 in working order?



I still have mine. And it is. (But it isn't gold plated.)

chunkcherry


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Esoteric1081


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I noticed the title says: "Up next... Derby #316: ACII Art"

Not sure if that is a typo (missing the 'S') or if it is correct. Can anybody educate me if it is correct as ACII or if I am missing a joke somewhere?

thatgrrlca


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I like making ASCII art but I'm new to this site and the derby. I found it while looking for ASCII art (I curate a feed on Scoop.it). Anyway, I don't know what the rules are for size of the image, etc.

Usually you can tell if ASCII art was made with automation. It tends to be in block or grey scale versus line art and it uses the same set of characters rather than the more random assortment you use when creating ASCII art manually.

FixedSys font is my favourite but there are other monospaced fonts out there. Consolas (not sure on spelling) is nice and dependable too.

oakenspirit


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Esoteric1081 wrote:I noticed the title says: "Up next... Derby #316: ACII Art"

Not sure if that is a typo (missing the 'S') or if it is correct. Can anybody educate me if it is correct as ACII or if I am missing a joke somewhere?



Assassin's Creed 2 Art? ;) (I'm thinking it's a typo.)



oakenspirit


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thatgrrlca wrote:I like making ASCII art but I'm new to this site and the derby. I found it while looking for ASCII art (I curate a feed on Scoop.it). Anyway, I don't know what the rules are for size of the image, etc.

Usually you can tell if ASCII art was made with automation. It tends to be in block or grey scale versus line art and it uses the same set of characters rather than the more random assortment you use when creating ASCII art manually.

FixedSys font is my favourite but there are other monospaced fonts out there. Consolas (not sure on spelling) is nice and dependable too.



RAD- make something!!! Here's the SPECS page-

http://shirt.woot.com/derby/upload

It has most the info you need and ask away if you don't understand something. The derby starts tomorrow at noon and typically the sooner you post your design, the better off you are.



thatgrrlca


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oakenspirit wrote:RAD- make something!!! Here's the SPECS page-

http://shirt.woot.com/derby/upload



Thanks for the link. I have a few ASCII pictures I wanted to do this week so this is great timing. I don't make massive images so I wanted to know rules for size.

oakenspirit


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chunkcherry wrote:



This guy is creeping me out!



jalbertson1122


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SkekTek


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My 6th grade teacher had a huge ASCII art of Spock holding the Enterprise on his wall. This was back in the days when the computer in the classroom was a Trash-80 model 1 with a cassette drive!

This derby is gonna be hell on the rejectorator- it's really hard to come up with good ASCII art without cheating.

Manki


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Im new to this site. I already made something. I went with the theme as ascii. I have a feeling mine will be rejected for not creating ascii only art.


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mdh22


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The letters are from the human genome. Thoughts on a title? Or other comments.

Thanks!

Narfcake


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mdh22 wrote:The letters are from the human genome. Thoughts on a title? Or other comments.

Thanks!


"The letters make us" was the first idea that came to my mind.

no1


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Narfcake wrote:"The letters make us" was the first idea that came to my mind.



"letters from my parents"

mdh22


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no1 wrote:"letters from my parents"



very clever!