klswoot wrote:These fish are not from my dbh design at all. They are two completely different designs drawn from two totally different sketches. They were created with the same techniques as I would use if I were actually going to use a brush on canvas. They are not meant to look photorealistic....none of my work is photorealistic. They are meant to look like an abstract painting....like they are moving in the water with broad brushstrokes much like how an artist would paint on canvas.
The streaming of stars gives the movement of the fish and the water pattern. Black or navy seemed to be the best choice to make the colors show up. I needed the black from the shirt color for the black on the fish to keep the 6 colors. The addition of the light blue are the shadows on the fish when submerged in water. The fish are drawn with movement and fluidity to make them look like they are swimming in the water. This may be what you call unfinished, but the design looks exactly as I wanted it to look. I wouldn't change a thing.
Like someone else said, it is created like an abstract painting as if one was looking down into the water from above and the way you might see fish circling when swimming freely.
I actually kind of see where Brizz is coming from on this- I'm only somewhat familiar with your koi design at DBH (I think I saw it once) and when I saw this, I assumed it was the same one (or constructed from the same elements). I apologize if I sold you short!
Maybe my definitions are a bit off, but I actually think it's closer to realism than abstraction. And that's a huge plus for the design to me, because I prefer things with some grounding in reality ;)
klswoot wrote:As always, you are free to disagree, but I think it is clear that I am unable to satisfy whatever bar you have set for me. I'm proud of everything that I've created on shirt.woot.
I know that you are bashing my design in the hope one of Cho's gets printed or the River man gets printed. You've been a vocal advocate of those works. Just wished you wouldn't try to knock others just to make room for the designs you like.
Planting the seed of doubt seems like something you like to do and I doubt I can convince you to stop.
I think you're misinterpreting Brizz. I've always seen him as a guy who is really interested in design, and when he sees something worth improving, he's very good about letting the designer know exactly what to improve. I value his comments because hearing from the critics (even when it's a minority opinion, as it seems to be in this case) tells me a lot more than hearing five people say they'd wear it.
Besides, while people love to say that negative posts hurt the vote count, I feel like every derby I see the opposite happen. The most controversial entries seem to soar up the hotness, probably because of their increased visibility in the forums. If Brizz's goal was really to sabotage others to get more attention and votes on his favorites, I think his actions would be totally different- he'd have links in his sig for his favorites and he'd post comments all over the site. That's the only successful method I've seen of getting votes in the derby.
It's great to be proud of your work, but I hope you're also striving to improve. Despite having some limited success here and there in the derby and on Woot, it's always in the back of my head to try to make a design so great it finally silences the critics ;) Maybe it's an impossible goal, but it's fun to aim for.