Derby #32: Line Art

Why Can't I Fly, Friend?

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Failoan


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Dominating from the start! I would so buy this.

gorillapimp


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What's the deal with the shovel?

jamescho84


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gorillapimp wrote:What's the deal with the shovel?

the other is loading coal into the burner. sorry if I didn't make it clear I had to try to keep all the lines away from each other on the engine.

gorillapimp


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jamescho84 wrote:the other is loading coal into the burner. sorry if I didn't make it clear I had to try to keep all the lines away from each other on the engine.


Right on, nice design

gorillapimp


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You only have 3 shirts in the fog Cho, must be slipping?

jamescho84


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gorillapimp wrote:You only have 3 shirts in the fog Cho, must be slipping?

Thank you for the kind words, though it will not stay this way.
I thought i'd give this design a little introduction. I agree with most of you in that this concept has been done to death, however I felt I could bring some distinction by using a more retro steam engine, and highlighting the fact that even with technology - Orville Bogglesworth (the pilot penguin) cannot take off from the ground. For those who are angry at this idea, I can definitely understand why. Sorry to those who do feel this way [in advance], and I hope you will take a look at my other entries now, and what I will be submitting throughout today and tomorrow. Thank you for reading.

kingcrazy360


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jamescho84 wrote:the other is loading coal into the burner. sorry if I didn't make it clear I had to try to keep all the lines away from each other on the engine.


that's way he's doing? I thought th other penguin was digging a grave.that wuz teh funneh

tgentry


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Rocket Penguin + Nice Colors + James Cho = Derby Gold. Congrats in advance on the win. ;)

kingcrazy360


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kingcrazy360 wrote:that's way he's doing? I thought th other penguin was digging a grave.that wuz teh funneh


agh stupid woot filters

derekfilley


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Eh, the artwork is great as always, but the idea's been done to death in the derby. Cmon Cho, lets have some creativity! ;-)

*EDIT* ah, you've addressed this already.


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jwink


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Same comment i left on spring rebirth: James, this is great, but i'll note the hyprocracy of the "mob" voting so favorably for a shirt on creme and putting it in the fog early-on. So if James does it you like creme shirts but no one else?

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jwink wrote:Same comment i left on spring rebirth: James, this is great, but i'll note the hyprocracy of the "mob" voting so favorably for a shirt on creme and putting it in the fog early-on. So if James does it you like creme shirts but no one else?


I agree ... certain Derby submitters have a following here, and they become contenders regardless of what they submit. Cho and TGentry come to mind.

Don't get me wrong, I think they're both immensely talented, but I think if someone who was an unknown submitted either of the designs they submitted this week it would get lost in the shuffle.

aaa6112


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jamescho84 wrote:Thank you for the kind words, though it will not stay this way.
I thought i'd give this design a little introduction. I agree with most of you in that this concept has been done to death, however I felt I could bring some distinction by using a more retro steam engine, and highlighting the fact that even with technology - Orville Bogglesworth (the pilot penguin) cannot take off from the ground. For those who are angry at this idea, I can definitely understand why. Sorry to those who do feel this way [in advance], and I hope you will take a look at my other entries now, and what I will be submitting throughout today and tomorrow. Thank you for reading.


I'd like a lil more explanation on the design, Cho. I am pretty sure that u deliberately fitted the burner on the pilot penguin up side down (looking at how the burner is blowing steam from its top), no? Is that the reason the penguin is not able to fly? If yes, then wouldn't the other penguin have to feed coal into the bottom part of the burner?? I'm not sure if the poor penguin would be able to do so. Or maybe there's something I'm missing?

bryozoan


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Isn't this the same character as

Re: penguins last dream (resub)


I don't think the same artist either...

AnGeLiCbOrIs


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aaa6112 wrote:I'd like a lil more explanation on the design, Cho. I am pretty sure that u deliberately fitted the burner on the pilot penguin up side down (looking at how the burner is blowing steam from its top), no? Is that the reason the penguin is not able to fly? If yes, then wouldn't the other penguin have to feed coal into the bottom part of the burner?? I'm not sure if the poor penguin would be able to do so. Or maybe there's something I'm missing?


Do you really care?

jamescho84


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bryozoan wrote:Isn't this the same character as http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=9201 ?

I am temporarily back to answer your question {i was sleeping}. I apologize to the artist of that design, I did not know it existed before I did this. I took some pointers from this site: How to draw steampunk and used the flying machine at the bottom of the page to get the idea. I thought this was a common trait in most air-steam designs, and think this might be coincidental. Once again, sorry to mwm8180 for the similarities. I wasn't around that derby, and the ones after. Back to sleep, thank you for the votes and the comments thus far.

kpengin


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kingcrazy360 wrote:that's way he's doing? I thought th other penguin was digging a grave.that wuz teh funneh


he he he, that's what i thought too!

bethebike


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[this is a total rip-off of "penguins last dream" Lame

slcinc


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I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
Shame on Woot, shame on Jamescho84...
This penguin is a direct character ripoff from Derby 27, "Penguins Last Dream" MWM8180
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=9201
I am very unimpressed with Woot if they don't reject this shirt
I am a professional designer, and if I tried to plagiarize a character at this level I would be sued.
This penguin illustration is nothing more than MWM8180's penguin drawn out in 3-D. Hey lets please get some originality in this competition....

geekfactor12


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bethebike wrote:[this is a total rip-off of "penguins last dream" Lame


I agree, penguins flying had never been done before that! Way to steal ideas, cho! What's next, a pirate with a sword? A ninja who is sneaky?

(ps- they're not that similar)

geekfactor12


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slcinc wrote:I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
Shame on Woot, shame on Jamescho84...
This penguin is a direct character ripoff from Derby 27, "Penguins Last Dream" MWM8180
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=9201
I am very unimpressed with Woot if they don't reject this shirt
I am a professional designer, and if I tried to plagiarize a character at this level I would be sued.
This penguin illustration is nothing more than MWM8180's penguin drawn out in 3-D. Hey lets please get some originality in this competition....


Please double check your information. Cho was not in the derby that week, and penguins flying are nothing new. Plus, Cho has a pattern of doing a lot of steampunk designs.

Everyone except me is on crack.

SailorButterfly


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aaa6112 wrote:I'd like a lil more explanation on the design, Cho. I am pretty sure that u deliberately fitted the burner on the pilot penguin up side down (looking at how the burner is blowing steam from its top), no? Is that the reason the penguin is not able to fly? If yes, then wouldn't the other penguin have to feed coal into the bottom part of the burner?? I'm not sure if the poor penguin would be able to do so. Or maybe there's something I'm missing?


Eh, nevermind...I wasn't even making sense to myself...but basically it doesn't look upside down to me.

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eyeslikesugar


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geekfactor12 wrote:Please double check your information. Cho was not in the derby that week, and penguins flying are nothing new. Plus, Cho has a pattern of doing a lot of steampunk designs.

Everyone except me is on crack.


Nope.. I agree.. no spider legs, the penguin itself actually HAS legs, etc. There are enough differences to make it hold on it's own; just look at Arrgyle -- that was more of a rip-off.

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bryozoan


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Thanks for the reply, Cho. Much appreciated.

I was not trying to start any problem, you have some brilliant designs in this derby (and earlier ones). Just thought you should be aware of the recent derby similarities, since I adored the earlier steam-penguin and it was fresh in my mind, (since I am planning to bug the artist once it gets freed up for another shirt site or a re-derby theme release).

crazylikecatfish


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Hilarious, +1.

aaa6112


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SailorButterfly wrote:Eh, nevermind...I wasn't even making sense to myself...but basically it doesn't look upside down to me.


If the penguin wanted to fly, I think that the steam should blow out from the bottom - like a rocket's burners. Since the burner is blowing steam from the top, it looks upside down to me.

aaa6112


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aaa6112 wrote:If the penguin wanted to fly, I think that the steam should blow out from the bottom - like a rocket's burners. Since the burner is blowing steam from the top, it looks upside down to me.


nevertheless, great art work by cho...love his other 2 designs, that are currently in the fog, as well.
all the best in the derby, cho!

jjrt2571


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Can't wait for this on to print............yeah

bluchez


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aaa6112 wrote:If the penguin wanted to fly, I think that the steam should blow out from the bottom - like a rocket's burners. Since the burner is blowing steam from the top, it looks upside down to me.


The steam isn't like rocket thrust. It is a source of power for the movement of the wings. The steam engine is in idle mode, exhausting all of it's steam directly out of it's stacks, but kick it gear, and bye-bye penguin.

(I also thought the other penguin was digging the forshadowed grave, but was wrong.)
(I also thought the steam engine just might be an eco-friendly penguin poo burner, but was wrong.)

aaa6112


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bluchez wrote:The steam isn't like rocket thrust. It is a source of power for the movement of the wings. The steam engine is in idle mode, exhausting all of it's steam directly out of it's stacks, but kick it gear, and bye-bye penguin.

(I also thought the other penguin was digging the forshadowed grave, but was wrong.)
(I also thought the steam engine just might be an eco-friendly penguin poo burner, but was wrong.)


aha....thnx a lot, bluchez...that makes sense...i am digg'n this even more now

snarkygal


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jwink wrote:Same comment i left on spring rebirth: James, this is great, but i'll note the hyprocracy of the "mob" voting so favorably for a shirt on creme and putting it in the fog early-on. So if James does it you like creme shirts but no one else?


What "mob"? People vote for quality artwork when they vote for a Cho design. Yes, he does a lot of work on creme, which is not one of the favored colors of Wooters, but hey, look at the art he puts on it.

Shigwarm


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Horray for steampunk!

SailorButterfly


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bluchez wrote:The steam isn't like rocket thrust. It is a source of power for the movement of the wings. The steam engine is in idle mode, exhausting all of it's steam directly out of it's stacks, but kick it gear, and bye-bye penguin.

(I also thought the other penguin was digging the forshadowed grave, but was wrong.)
(I also thought the steam engine just might be an eco-friendly penguin poo burner, but was wrong.)


Thanks for the explanation! I wasn't sure enough about how steam engines worked to explain it, but I knew the steam was supposed to come out at the top. That's why I confused myself and gave up on my post earlier. l o l


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snarkygal


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slcinc wrote:I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!
Shame on Woot, shame on Jamescho84...
This penguin is a direct character ripoff from Derby 27, "Penguins Last Dream" MWM8180
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=9201
I am very unimpressed with Woot if they don't reject this shirt
I am a professional designer, and if I tried to plagiarize a character at this level I would be sued.
This penguin illustration is nothing more than MWM8180's penguin drawn out in 3-D. Hey lets please get some originality in this competition....


He's also already apologized too

aaa6112


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i think i'd be the owner of two cho-penguin tees at the end of this derby

UtherDoul


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The linux people will devour this...

dhouse87


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KenSPT wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I think they're both immensely talented, but I think if someone who was an unknown submitted either of the designs they submitted this week it would get lost in the shuffle.


Exactly.

This shirt's "humor" or whatever it may be classified as is a pretty poor attempt.

The shovel's got shillelagh on it.

Amach06


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dhouse87 wrote:Exactly.

This shirt's "humor" or whatever it may be classified as is a pretty poor attempt.

The shovel's got shillelagh on it.


I dont belive that at all. People vote for this because its quality work.

Well there is always next year....

brizz


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jwink wrote:Same comment i left on spring rebirth: James, this is great, but i'll note the hyprocracy of the "mob" voting so favorably for a shirt on creme and putting it in the fog early-on. So if James does it you like creme shirts but no one else?


People who hate on the cream are vocal, but a minority. I have one and love it. it's a light tan color, and the best "light" color woot offers. People really need to let the cream thing go. seriously.

Great job james....i think i like this one best of yours so far.

SailorButterfly


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brizz wrote:People who hate on the cream are vocal, but a minority. I have one and love it. it's a light tan color, and the best "light" color woot offers. People really need to let the cream thing go. seriously.

Great job james....i think i like this one best of yours so far.


It seems like to me that there's always someone unhappy with the shirt color no matter what color it is, so as a designer, what can you do? The best you can do is pick the shirt color you think fits your design the best and ignore the people who complain about it. l o l

This is also one of the best Cho shirts I've seen, IMO. :-)

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2thFairy


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There are way too many penguin everythings, but I am really looking forward to owning this shirt!

Yea for Cho!

jwink


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snarkygal wrote:What "mob"? People vote for quality artwork when they vote for a Cho design. Yes, he does a lot of work on creme, which is not one of the favored colors of Wooters, but hey, look at the art he puts on it.


It's not a critizism of James it's the people who say "i would have bought this but it's on cream"; they certianly have no problem voting and knowing it will be on cream and they will have to wear it on cream. I actually like the cream and earth tones.

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I'm a reasonable guy. I weigh the evidence. I keep a level head. But I've hit the tipping point.

These irritatingly cute, ill-proportioned, impractical birds and their fruitless quest for flight have caused me nothing but headaches. The last two or three times they've been submitted, they've brought with them controversy and ill will.

They're BANNED. No more. Put it in the virtual book of derby rules.

Rule: 62 section b: No flying penguins, be it of their own volition or through the assistance of any kind of mechanical device. Some things just aren't natural.

So there is no inference from this rejection, let it be known that this has nothing to do with the existence of other flying penguin designs or their submission in past derbies. There's no copyright on ideas, just on the execution. In fact, it depresses me that there are apparently so many new and unique ways to execute this painful concept.

(Oh, and James, I happen to think this is a particularly wonderful execution, so don't infer anything there either. Too bad it wasn't around before I learned to hate it.)

This is purely emotional, and an admittedly irrational hatred of the subject matter. I will sleep well tonight knowing the next flying penguin I see will be followed swiftly and unequivocally by a hearty REJECTED stamp. If you test me, I'll enjoy the probation as well.

Wheww...

m4dcow


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Flying penguins against the rules now, I guess that still leaves flying Kiwis and Ostriches :P

geekfactor12


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joelterrific wrote:I'm a reasonable guy. I weigh the evidence. I keep a level head. But I've hit the tipping point.

These irritatingly cute, ill-proportioned, impractical birds and their fruitless quest for flight have caused me nothing but headaches. The last two or three times they've been submitted, they've brought with them controversy and ill will.

They're BANNED. No more. Put it in the virtual book of derby rules.

Rule: 62 section b: No flying penguins, be it of their own volition or through the assistance of any kind of mechanical device. Some things just aren't natural.

So there is no inference from this rejection, let it be known that this has nothing to do with the existence of other flying penguin designs or their submission in past derbies. There's no copyright on ideas, just on the execution. In fact, it depresses me that there are apparently so many new and unique ways to execute this painful concept.

(Oh, and James, I happen to think this is a particularly wonderful execution, so don't infer anything there either. Too bad it wasn't around before I learned to hate it.)

This is purely emotional, and an admittedly irrational hatred of the subject matter. I will sleep well tonight knowing the next flying penguin I see will be followed swiftly and unequivocally by a hearty REJECTED stamp. If you test me, I'll enjoy the probation as well.

Wheww...


Perhaps we could get some kind of list of what subjects will be randomly banned? I can only assume that other derby mainstays like dragons, dinosaurs, skulls and puckers are next on the list...

Seriously though, this is not a great way to encourage people to actually spend time on making original art for the derby. If we're meant to stay away from popular themes, perhaps a better solution would be to ban those themes from the start. Either that or find a way to reward good work that doesn't pander to the voters, because right now that's the only legitimate option for someone who wants to win here.

artulo


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Sorry to see your rejection, Cho.

AdderXYU


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geekfactor12 wrote:Perhaps we could get some kind of list of what subjects will be randomly banned? I can only assume that other derby mainstays like dragons, dinosaurs, skulls and puckers are next on the list...

Seriously though, this is not a great way to encourage people to actually spend time on making original art for the derby. If we're meant to stay away from popular themes, perhaps a better solution would be to ban those themes from the start. Either that or find a way to reward good work that doesn't pander to the voters, because right now that's the only legitimate option for someone who wants to win here.


GF speaks the truth. I don't think I could possibly be more for this Rule 62 B, but these are the sorts of things we should see in writing prior to people taking the time to create items that go against it. if you want to outlaw all (insert meme here), we need that to be told to us before we go and try it. As GF notes, it's very difficult to win here based on quality of concept or quality of art. I've seen any number of designers go to simplistic to snag a win, some for the money, some for the mockery of what succeeds. I fully support the concept, but the timing of the new rule leave a lot to be desired.

Also, can Rule 62 Section C, D, and E go for Pirates, Ninjas and Monkeys, respectively?

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joelterrific wrote:I'm a reasonable guy. I weigh the evidence. I keep a level head. But I've hit the tipping point.

These irritatingly cute, ill-proportioned, impractical birds and their fruitless quest for flight have caused me nothing but headaches. The last two or three times they've been submitted, they've brought with them controversy and ill will.

They're BANNED. No more. Put it in the virtual book of derby rules.

Rule: 62 section b: No flying penguins, be it of their own volition or through the assistance of any kind of mechanical device. Some things just aren't natural.

So there is no inference from this rejection, let it be known that this has nothing to do with the existence of other flying penguin designs or their submission in past derbies. There's no copyright on ideas, just on the execution. In fact, it depresses me that there are apparently so many new and unique ways to execute this painful concept.

(Oh, and James, I happen to think this is a particularly wonderful execution, so don't infer anything there either. Too bad it wasn't around before I learned to hate it.)

This is purely emotional, and an admittedly irrational hatred of the subject matter. I will sleep well tonight knowing the next flying penguin I see will be followed swiftly and unequivocally by a hearty REJECTED stamp. If you test me, I'll enjoy the probation as well.

Wheww...


I agree with others that it is ridiculous to ban a subject based on an ex post facto rule derived from a personal hatred of penguins. The rules were extremely explicit for this derby, and none of these explicit rules ever mentioned anything about flying penguins. This decision is extremely unfair to the artist, and, while clearly not meant in a mean-spirited way, this rejection is none-the-less just that, given the seemingly complete randomness of it. I do not care what the subject matter is. The point remains: artists who put large amounts of time, effort, and passion into a project, and who follow the rules do not deserve to have their designs arbitrarily rejected out of spite for the subject. This is a very concerning precedent being set in the shirt.woot community, and I would hope that people do not take the implications of this sort of attitude in stride.

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fablefire wrote:I still think Imaginary Day was the worst shirt ever.

...and yeah, there has to be easily accessible documentation of random bannings.

Steampunk penguins aren't copyrighted characters.


I don't qualify "Imaginary Day" as a shirt.

But you're right otherwise, and not just because you agree with me. If the rule didn't come about in Dreams, when there were about 30 hackishly done penguins flying, there was no reason to believe woot hated penguins, especially in the hands of an actual designer. 100 terrible penguins got to stay. One good one is the last straw? Great rule, horrible time for instating it.

jimiyo


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joelterrific wrote:This is purely emotional, and an admittedly irrational hatred of the subject matter. I will sleep well tonight knowing the next flying penguin I see will be followed swiftly and unequivocally by a hearty REJECTED stamp. If you test me, I'll enjoy the probation as well.

Wheww...


how bout if they are getting shot? or otherwise being inflicted with some kind of violence.


BTW... you distracted me from paying gigs with this line art themed contest. that wuz teh funneh.



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jimiyo wrote:how bout if they are getting shot? or otherwise being inflicted with some kind of violence.


BTW... you distracted me from paying gigs with this line art themed contest. that wuz teh funneh.




what if a polar bear in a top hat threw a penguin? said penguin would not then be attempting flight, but the victim of it.

Josephus


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joelterrific wrote:I'm a reasonable guy. I weigh the evidence. I keep a level head. But I've hit the tipping point.

These irritatingly cute, ill-proportioned, impractical birds and their fruitless quest for flight have caused me nothing but headaches. The last two or three times they've been submitted, they've brought with them controversy and ill will.

They're BANNED. No more. Put it in the virtual book of derby rules.

Rule: 62 section b: No flying penguins, be it of their own volition or through the assistance of any kind of mechanical device. Some things just aren't natural.

So there is no inference from this rejection, let it be known that this has nothing to do with the existence of other flying penguin designs or their submission in past derbies. There's no copyright on ideas, just on the execution. In fact, it depresses me that there are apparently so many new and unique ways to execute this painful concept.

(Oh, and James, I happen to think this is a particularly wonderful execution, so don't infer anything there either. Too bad it wasn't around before I learned to hate it.)

This is purely emotional, and an admittedly irrational hatred of the subject matter. I will sleep well tonight knowing the next flying penguin I see will be followed swiftly and unequivocally by a hearty REJECTED stamp. If you test me, I'll enjoy the probation as well.

Wheww...


Ah, the aberrant joy of woot's wootiful quirkiness. It's a bummer for all you Penguinites, but they can and do what they will, whenever they want. Now we know, the Age of Penguinairiess is over.

Now, back to my skull...

jimiyo


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Josephus wrote:Ah, the aberrant joy of woot's wootiful quirkiness. It's a bummer for all you Penguinites, but they can and do what they will, whenever they want. Now we know, the Age of Penguinairiess is over.

Now, back to my skull...


Hhahaha... i like

"back to my skull"

cause, after my last DBH submission, and people knocking skulls "ive seen too many skulls lately" i promised myself not to do any more skulls. but i suppose the dos la morte i submitted was previously created, i just fancied it up with some shading.

i think Skulls should be on the next chopping block.

and i would be willing to have my dos la morte rejected today in homage to Cho's loss of the top most contender in the fog.

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jimiyo wrote:Hhahaha... i like

"back to my skull"

cause, after my last DBH submission, and people knocking skulls "ive seen too many skulls lately" i promised myself not to do any more skulls. but i suppose the dos la morte i submitted was previously created, i just fancied it up with some shading.

i think Skulls should be on the next chopping block.

and i would be willing to have my dos la morte rejected today in homage to Cho's loss of the top most contender in the fog.

I love skulls!
I do think that this new penguin rule should apply to anything after the rule is implemented. James worked hard on that piece -before- any rule stated not to.
Just my opinion.
Andy



brizz


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joelterrific wrote:I'm a reasonable guy. I weigh the evidence. I keep a level head. But I've hit the tipping point.

These irritatingly cute, ill-proportioned, impractical birds and their fruitless quest for flight have caused me nothing but headaches. The last two or three times they've been submitted, they've brought with them controversy and ill will.

They're BANNED. No more. Put it in the virtual book of derby rules.

Rule: 62 section b: No flying penguins, be it of their own volition or through the assistance of any kind of mechanical device. Some things just aren't natural.

So there is no inference from this rejection, let it be known that this has nothing to do with the existence of other flying penguin designs or their submission in past derbies. There's no copyright on ideas, just on the execution. In fact, it depresses me that there are apparently so many new and unique ways to execute this painful concept.

(Oh, and James, I happen to think this is a particularly wonderful execution, so don't infer anything there either. Too bad it wasn't around before I learned to hate it.)

This is purely emotional, and an admittedly irrational hatred of the subject matter. I will sleep well tonight knowing the next flying penguin I see will be followed swiftly and unequivocally by a hearty REJECTED stamp. If you test me, I'll enjoy the probation as well.

Wheww...


frankly, i wish you would apply the same spirit of unpredictable wrath to other aspects of the derby. I just don't understand why these kind of smackdowns only seem to ever come from great work. Why you seem more than willing to randomly create new rules to get rid of really good designs while so many past egregiously bad ones have flown is really hard to swallow.

And for the record, i'm ecstatic that we'll never have to see another flying penguin - but this was patently unfair.

Ledbetterus


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I just don't get it.. the rule that is.. Did I miss the "No Portal references" rule? Did I also miss a billion flying penguin entries? I remember the one from the Dream derby, and this one.. that's it really. Did a penguin steal your ice cream as a child? If so than this is understandable, but if not.. what's the big deal? I'm not sticking up for penguins, but, what about the countless pirate, ninja, and other disgustingly cute, and cutely disgusting animals that appear in every derby, no matter the theme?

I just don't understand the consistency of these decisions.

Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."

Eulenspiegel


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Re: Why Can't I Fly, Friend?


Not something I would wear, but it's a real shame that such great work went to waste. It looks like a lot of care and time was taken to create. I hope it's printed at some point.

RagsLax4


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Re: Why Can't I Fly, Friend?


sorry this was rejected, I was hoping for a James Cho sweep


Patchitect


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joelterrific wrote:I'm a reasonable guy. I weigh the evidence. I keep a level head. But I've hit the tipping point.

Rule: 62 section b: No flying penguins, be it of their own volition or through the assistance of any kind of mechanical device. Some things just aren't natural.

Wheww...


Ok =- so where do i find the other 61 rules and subsections?

Patchitect


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brizz wrote:frankly, i wish you would apply the same spirit of unpredictable wrath to other aspects of the derby. I just don't understand why these kind of smackdowns only seem to ever come from great work. Why you seem more than willing to randomly create new rules to get rid of really good designs while so many past egregiously bad ones have flown is really hard to swallow.

And for the record, i'm ecstatic that we'll never have to see another flying penguin - but this was patently unfair.


You just want him to banish Hammy next..... *grin*

mjc613


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RagsLax4 wrote:sorry this was rejected, I was hoping for a James Cho sweep

So was he. (she said with a sardonic smile)

jimiyo


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mjc613 wrote:
I was hoping for a James Cho sweep

So was he. (she said with a sardonic smile)


Tis not over yet...


mellian


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Re: Why Can't I Fly, Friend?


While I am not a fan of the subject of flying pengiuns (and groaned when I saw this one even though it is VERY well done), Joel's actions are out of line. Had there been a "no flying pengiun" rule in place before the derby, he would be within his rights to reject it. But there was no rule ahead of time. This entry needs to stay because rejection on a "whim" because "I can do it and no one can stop me" is very childish and unfair. Let the penguin stay and let the "No flying pengiun" rule be in effect after this derby.

superspryte


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mellian wrote:While I am not a fan of the subject of flying pengiuns (and groaned when I saw this one even though it is VERY well done), Joel's actions are out of line. Had there been a "no flying pengiun" rule in place before the derby, he would be within his rights to reject it. But there was no rule ahead of time. This entry needs to stay because rejection on a "whim" because "I can do it and no one can stop me" is very childish and unfair. Let the penguin stay and let the "No flying pengiun" rule be in effect after this derby.

Unfortunately, there's nothing to be done now that it's been rejected. It's not possible to resurrect rejected submissions except via resubmission. As heart-breaking as this rejection is, woot reserves the right to reject anything for any reason. It's their show.

Besides, look at the awesome ostrich version that came out of the rejection. ^_^

w: 7 | t.w: 1 | h.w: 1 | tg.w: 0 | sp.w: 0 | a.w: 0 | k.w: 0 | s.w: 15 | w.w: 15 | so.w: 2

brizz


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Patchitect wrote:You just want him to banish Hammy next..... *grin*


only if you put a hoodie or clipart on it.

FenStar


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Re: Why Can't I Fly, Friend?

Hunh? This is very odd.

Still single, can't imagine why.

TAYLORT5


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superspryte wrote:Unfortunately, there's nothing to be done now that it's been rejected. It's not possible to resurrect rejected submissions except via resubmission. As heart-breaking as this rejection is, woot reserves the right to reject anything for any reason. It's their show.

Besides, look at the awesome ostrich version that came out of the rejection. ^_^

Not only that i'm looking forward to submiting a flying snake or flying kangaroo. whaka whaka


You're on probation!

You've been put on posting probation for this post for this reason: Ok, I deleted it 3 times. Do you not get it? (24h) Personal attack/useless post.

Please stare at the scary cartoon dog for 20 hours and then try posting again.

joelterrific


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geekfactor12 wrote:Perhaps we could get some kind of list of what subjects will be randomly banned? I can only assume that other derby mainstays like dragons, dinosaurs, skulls and puckers are next on the list...

Seriously though, this is not a great way to encourage people to actually spend time on making original art for the derby. If we're meant to stay away from popular themes, perhaps a better solution would be to ban those themes from the start. Either that or find a way to reward good work that doesn't pander to the voters, because right now that's the only legitimate option for someone who wants to win here.


I agree...it's subjective and irrational. I can assure you, there will be no random banning going on. I'll do my best to make everyone aware of a rule like this coming along in the future. But I will still hold the right to bring the hammer down in times when/where things get out of hand.

Let's not forget, we're encouraging creativity here. The more of these 'inside' jokes that go, the more it encourages designers, to think beyond subjects we've already covered.

I'm all for everyone crying foul here, I was prepared for that, but the rejection was early, it hurt no one but James (and I am sorry, but I suspect he's hard skinned professional and will be ok).

cyradis2003


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joelterrific wrote:I'm a reasonable guy.


Open to debate.


I loved the penguins

derekfilley


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joelterrific wrote:I agree...it's subjective and irrational. I can assure you, there will be no random banning going on. I'll do my best to make everyone aware of a rule like this coming along in the future. But I will still hold the right to bring the hammer down in times when/where things get out of hand.

Let's not forget, we're encouraging creativity here. The more of these 'inside' jokes that go, the more it encourages designers, to think beyond subjects we've already covered.

I'm all for everyone crying foul here, I was prepared for that, but the rejection was early, it hurt no one but James (and I am sorry, but I suspect he's hard skinned professional and will be ok).


I'm definately in the 'I'd be rightfully pissed if I was cho, but can't celebrate enough now that the flying penguins are gone" camp.

I have added this rule to *Unofficial* Derby Rules Thanks for those of you who alerted me to the new change.

Joel, could we phase in the 'inside joke elimination'? Perhaps by banning one meme per derby right at the start?

This week's theme is stippling. See wikipedia article here. No text this week. By the way, no more monkey designs forever.


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gargrazz


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brizz wrote:frankly, i wish you would apply the same spirit of unpredictable wrath to other aspects of the derby. I just don't understand why these kind of smackdowns only seem to ever come from great work. Why you seem more than willing to randomly create new rules to get rid of really good designs while so many past egregiously bad ones have flown is really hard to swallow.


Because good designs are probably going to win. When a good designer takes a crack at a played out theme because it consistently votes well regardless of artistic merit - then you know it's going too far and it's time to swing the ban hammer.

The fact that Cho's design was well executed does not change the fact that we were about to be subjected to another "flying penguin" t-shirt derby winner. Nip it in the bud now. Yes, Cho probably spent hours working on it. But he's not the first to get a hard-wrought design rejected. Even bad designs that we casually dismiss take hours sometimes. We just never stand up for them when they get rejected.

Bryan818


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joelterrific wrote:I'm a reasonable guy. I weigh the evidence. I keep a level head. But I've hit the tipping point.

These irritatingly cute, ill-proportioned, impractical birds and their fruitless quest for flight have caused me nothing but headaches. The last two or three times they've been submitted, they've brought with them controversy and ill will.

They're BANNED. No more. Put it in the virtual book of derby rules.

Rule: 62 section b: No flying penguins, be it of their own volition or through the assistance of any kind of mechanical device. Some things just aren't natural.

So there is no inference from this rejection, let it be known that this has nothing to do with the existence of other flying penguin designs or their submission in past derbies. There's no copyright on ideas, just on the execution. In fact, it depresses me that there are apparently so many new and unique ways to execute this painful concept.

(Oh, and James, I happen to think this is a particularly wonderful execution, so don't infer anything there either. Too bad it wasn't around before I learned to hate it.)

This is purely emotional, and an admittedly irrational hatred of the subject matter. I will sleep well tonight knowing the next flying penguin I see will be followed swiftly and unequivocally by a hearty REJECTED stamp. If you test me, I'll enjoy the probation as well.

Wheww...


this is all my fault

Please check it out

bluchez


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gargrazz wrote:The fact that Cho's design was well executed does not change the fact that we were about to be subjected to another "flying penguin" t-shirt derby winner. Nip it in the bud now. Yes, Cho probably spent hours working on it. But he's not the first to get a hard-wrought design rejected. Even bad designs that we casually dismiss take hours sometimes. We just never stand up for them when they get rejected.


Your comment made me curious, so I checked out SDS's past winners, going back as far as they do, and was unable to find a previous "flying penguin" t-shirt derby winner to justify this statement. I understand hatred of overused memes, believe me. I've only been watching 6-8 derbies or so, so I am not sure how many flying penguin entries have been entered, but I can only remember around 4 total since I've been here. Now, pucker entries, I remember at least 3 times that. If anyone has the numbers, it would be interesting to see what the ratio of pucker shirt entries to flying penguin shirt entries actually is.

brizz


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gargrazz wrote:
The fact that Cho's design was well executed does not change the fact that we were about to be subjected to another "flying penguin" t-shirt derby winner. Nip it in the bud now.


plz point us to the previous flying penguin winners you speak of. thx.

Patchitect


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derekfilley wrote:I'm definately in the 'I'd be rightfully pissed if I was cho, but can't celebrate enough now that the flying penguins are gone" camp.

I have added this rule to *Unofficial* Derby Rules Thanks for those of you who alerted me to the new change.

Joel, could we phase in the 'inside joke elimination'? Perhaps by banning one meme per derby right at the start?

This week's theme is stippling. See wikipedia article here. No text this week. By the way, no more monkey designs forever.


Thanks Derek.. But WHATS RULE # 61??

Patchitect


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brizz wrote:only if you put a hoodie or clipart on it.


Dont tempt me....

sailstud25


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cyradis2003 wrote:Open to debate.


I loved the penguins


Agreed!

This probably would've been my third woot shirt. Sorry James, but the kiwis would've been cooler than the ostriches imho.

Hmm, just went in for 3 Randoms, when I haven't bought any shirts lately (although still checking frequently) so what are the chances of liking them!?! Oh well, couldn't pass up the mystery!
...a number of shirts on teetrade.com

gargrazz


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brizz wrote:plz point us to the previous flying penguin winners you speak of. thx.


My bad. The shirt I could have sworn won never did. Apologies for the claim.

The theme is revisited for a number of derbies - but it has never won. For those that have been hankering for a flying penguin t-shirt, then this rejection must seem unfair. Point taken.

mcwalters78


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joelterrific wrote:I'm a reasonable guy. I weigh the evidence. I keep a level head. But I've hit the tipping point.

These irritatingly cute, ill-proportioned, impractical birds and their fruitless quest for flight have caused me nothing but headaches. The last two or three times they've been submitted, they've brought with them controversy and ill will.

They're BANNED. No more. Put it in the virtual book of derby rules.

Rule: 62 section b: No flying penguins, be it of their own volition or through the assistance of any kind of mechanical device. Some things just aren't natural.

So there is no inference from this rejection, let it be known that this has nothing to do with the existence of other flying penguin designs or their submission in past derbies. There's no copyright on ideas, just on the execution. In fact, it depresses me that there are apparently so many new and unique ways to execute this painful concept.

(Oh, and James, I happen to think this is a particularly wonderful execution, so don't infer anything there either. Too bad it wasn't around before I learned to hate it.)

This is purely emotional, and an admittedly irrational hatred of the subject matter. I will sleep well tonight knowing the next flying penguin I see will be followed swiftly and unequivocally by a hearty REJECTED stamp. If you test me, I'll enjoy the probation as well.

Wheww...


What a great idea.

Woot is a consumerism based organization. I always thought supply and demand fueled consumerism... silly me.

Reading the comments on some of the shirts that hit the fog kills me. The elitist attitude of some of the people hating on simplistic, common and "cute" designs amazes me. I always thought comments that say that those types of shirts should be banned was just a lot of hot air. Just venting from people frustrated that their obviously "superior" ideas or art was being passed over.

I guess hot air rises straight to the top. It is always a good idea to just unequivocally dismiss the work of others based on an "admittedly irrational hatred" even though the demand (via votes/the fog) says otherwise.

AdderXYU


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mcwalters78 wrote:What a great idea.

Woot is a consumerism based organization. I always thought supply and demand fueled consumerism... silly me.

Reading the comments on some of the shirts that hit the fog kills me. The elitist attitude of some of the people hating on simplistic, common and "cute" designs amazes me. I always thought comments that say that those types of shirts should be banned was just a lot of hot air. Just venting from people frustrated that their obviously "superior" ideas or art was being passed over.

I guess hot air rises straight to the top. It is always a good idea to just unequivocally dismiss the work of others based on an "admittedly irrational hatred" even though the demand (via votes/the fog) says otherwise.


woot -is- a consumerism based organization.

Shirt.woot is a shirt store. Just as woot picks what they wish to sell you at woot.com, they also surely have a level of quality they wish to be represented with in shirt.woot. If you can't deal with the fact that votes don't equal what they want to sell, maybe you should go to tshirt hell or snorg or shirt-a-day, where they'll let just about any lame concept go so long as it rakes in the $$$.

I think the penguins were a weak rejection, too, but I completely agree with WHY they went. Just not how.

mcwalters78


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AdderXYU wrote:woot -is- a consumerism based organization.

Shirt.woot is a shirt store. Just as woot picks what they wish to sell you at woot.com, they also surely have a level of quality they wish to be represented with in shirt.woot. If you can't deal with the fact that votes don't equal what they want to sell, maybe you should go to tshirt hell or snorg or shirt-a-day, where they'll let just about any lame concept go so long as it rakes in the $$$.

I think the penguins were a weak rejection, too, but I completely agree with WHY they went. Just not how.


At what point did I say that any lame concept should be allowed?

With your logic, if "votes don't equal what they want to sell" then why have a voting system in place? Obviously, they want to make available what has proven to be of interest to the community, otherwise they would just randomly pick shirts they like from the submissions (which I believe rules like this make a move towards) and put them up so as to ensure that their level of quality is always met. Woot.com is not a parallel to shirt.woot because it does not poll the community it serves, it makes that decision solely in-house.

My point is that the setup they have in place is for the community to decide what it would like to buy. Tying people's hands because with rules like "been done before", "I have an admittedly irrational hatred of this idea" and the like goes against that setup. Who is to say that the new design of an idea that may have been presented before isn't a better execution of said idea. Who is to say that the person who has the irrational hatred isn't in the minority? (which, again, seems to be the case here)

Obviously I need to clarify my gripe. I'm not saying any poorly designed shirt should just be made available. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be rules (copyright, plagiarism, profanity and lewdness rules NEED to be in place). I'm just saying making arbitrary decisions for the community based on an individual's dislike just because they have the power to do so, doesn't make it right.

FenStar


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Re: Why Can't I Fly, Friend?

Is there any way we can have one post, that explains the logic of this rejection in a way that people who don't follow the derby can understand? I have never seen a flying penguin shirt on woot, as far as I can remember, so I am confused.

Still single, can't imagine why.

geekfactor12


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FenStar wrote:Is there any way we can have one post, that explains the logic of this rejection in a way that people who don't follow the derby can understand? I have never seen a flying penguin shirt on woot, as far as I can remember, so I am confused.


Everyone else is equally confused, that's why this is a controversial decision.

There has never been a flying penguin printed on Woot. So why penguins got the axe instead of pirates, ninjas, zombies or robots will forever remain a mystery to all Wooters.

The bright side of this is that Joel says from now on, if any themes are disallowed he will state this information at the beginning of the derby. So at least this is somewhat unlikely to happen again.

Airwhale


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I just wanted to throw in another "what the heck" comment here... I mean, the designer follows all the rules, brings to life a concept that has never been printed by woot, and woot kicks it to the curb because it's sick of printing all of these non-existent flying penguin shirts? I would have bought this shirt if it were available. sad.

dorbie


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Re: Why Can't I Fly, Friend?


This was a great and original design.

slcinc is misguided for making his unfounded allegation of plagerism.

The two designs are nothing like each other and nobody holds a monopoly on flying penguins.

Look at the Ostrich design! Pitty there's no TUX connection there, I'd have gotten the penguin one, I'm just not interested in the ostriches.

Slcinc, get a clue before posting and spoiling a great entry....

Shame on you Woot, shame on you slcinc.

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