Derby #32: Line Art
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Star and Moon

Star and Moon
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SailorButterfly


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Re: Star and Moon


Oooh...very nice!

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daedalusknight


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Re: Star and Moon


Here's a closer view... it's lines... really! :-)


daedalusknight


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SailorButterfly wrote:Oooh...very nice!


Thanks! I put a lot of work into drawing it. :-)

jwink


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daedalusknight wrote:Thanks! I put a lot of work into drawing it. :-)


I like it too, it reminds me of the miller high life girl. Althouhg with the white printing on the black i wonder if they woudl consider the white to be "fill".

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daedalusknight


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jwink wrote:Althouhg with the white printing on the black i wonder if they woudl consider the white to be "fill".


Heeheh... I think that's getting a little too technical. It's black lines on a white page, you can see the white background through the black lines. I just trimmed off the background and put it on a black shirt. I guess if you want to be nitpicky, the shirt will use white ink to print the background in, but the rules didn't say that the ink color had to be the line color, just that you could only use one ink color.

What do you say, Woot? Is this acceptable? The design will look aqful if I invert it (I know, I tried it!) and if I put it on a white shirt then then moon will be floating in a white colored night sky... which is very odd. Can my submission stand, as submitted?

daedalusknight


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daedalusknight wrote: The design will look aqful


Heh... I meant "awful." That'll teach me to post before checking my spelling. :-)

Andy47240


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Re: Star and Moon


I like it, but the arms, leg and face are fills.
-Andy



mjc613


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daedalusknight wrote:Heeheh... I think that's getting a little too technical. It's black lines on a white page, you can see the white background through the black lines. I just trimmed off the background and put it on a black shirt. I guess if you want to be nitpicky, the shirt will use white ink to print the background in, but the rules didn't say that the ink color had to be the line color, just that you could only use one ink color.

What do you say, Woot? Is this acceptable? The design will look aqful if I invert it (I know, I tried it!) and if I put it on a white shirt then then moon will be floating in a white colored night sky... which is very odd. Can my submission stand, as submitted?



I'm not Joel, but the guidelines for this derby are pretty specific. "If we can't see daylight between your lines, that's a fill." If you take a look at some of the shirts that have been rejected, you will see that he does get technical.

If this is a white page as you say, why would you have a black background (i.e. shirt)? I recommend you find a way to do outlines or shading to match the rules.

daedalusknight


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mjc613 wrote:I'm not Joel, but the guidelines for this derby are pretty specific. "If we can't see daylight between your lines, that's a fill." If you take a look at some of the shirts that have been rejected, you will see that he does get technical.

If this is a white page as you say, why would you have a black background (i.e. shirt)? I recommend you find a way to do outlines or shading to match the rules.


I understand the point you're making, but my lines are the black lines. You can see the "daylight" between my lines, as the non-line parts are the white parts. As of right now, the only rejects are ones that do have solid fills between their lines (or ones that break other rules).

I have the black shirt because, quite plainly, it's a night theme and it doesn't look good on a white shirt. As I said, I could invert the image, but that looks all kinds of horrible.

Not that this matters anyway. With a paltry two votes, it looks like it's not going to be made into a shirt. Oh well.

MHBoston


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daedalusknight wrote:It's black lines on a white page, you can see the white background through the black lines. I just trimmed off the background and put it on a black shirt.

So you're misrepresenting the shirt? It's supposed to be a white shirt with black lines? Or do you have a white filled moon on a black shirt? Either way, what you've done breaks the rules.

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superspryte


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Re: Star and Moon

I can't speak for Joel/Woot on the issue, but I'm pretty sure this will be rejected because you're supposed to make a design with lines, not fills that leave lines as negative space. Creative interpretation of the theme though. ^_^

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daedalusknight


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MHBoston wrote:So you're misrepresenting the shirt? It's supposed to be a white shirt with black lines? Or do you have a white filled moon on a black shirt? Either way, what you've done breaks the rules.


I don't think you're following my reasoning... I'm not trying to misrepresent anything. I'm using white ink on a black shirt to convey an image of black lines on a white page.

Though I cannot speak for our friendly shirt reviewer, it seems that Woot agrees with me as this shirt has not yet been rejected and other shirts that have been posted after it have been rejected. For this small kindness, I'd like offer my sincerest thanks, even though this shirt has no chance of being made as it's not even breaking the top 100 shirts. Oh well. I guess I'll just have to try harder next week.

MHBoston


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daedalusknight wrote:Though I cannot speak for our friendly shirt reviewer, it seems that Woot agrees with me as this shirt has not yet been rejected and other shirts that have been posted after it have been rejected. For this small kindness, I'd like offer my sincerest thanks, even though this shirt has no chance of being made as it's not even breaking the top 100 shirts. Oh well. I guess I'll just have to try harder next week.

Just because you haven't been rejected does not mean that you haven't broken the rules. Joel just hasn't seen that you've broken the rules. It is common for rejections to be light through the weekend and get heavier on Monday. Fogged entries have even been rejected on a Wednesday. You're not safe.


daedalusknight wrote:I don't think you're following my reasoning... I'm not trying to misrepresent anything. I'm using white ink on a black shirt to convey an image of black lines on a white page.

I see a white illustration on a black shirt. Your moon is a solid block of color, not a line. This shirt should be rejected.

If this is meant to be a black illustration on a white shirt that you have cropped and laid out on top a black shirt to make work better visually, you're being deliberately misleading. Who does that? It looks like a black shirt, your intentions not withstanding. This shirt should be rejected.

What am I not following? If you mean this shirt to be anything other than as exactly as shown then you don't understand the process. You're supposed to simulate a shirt as exactly as possible to the way you want it printed and people vote on it.

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superspryte


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MHBoston wrote:I see a white illustration on a black shirt. Your moon is a solid block of color, not a line. This shirt should be rejected.

If this is meant to be a black illustration on a white shirt that you have cropped and laid out on top a black shirt to make work better visually, you're being deliberately misleading. Who does that? It looks like a black shirt, your intentions not withstanding. This shirt should be rejected.

What am I not following? If you mean this shirt to be anything other than as exactly as shown then you don't understand the process. You're supposed to simulate a shirt as exactly as possible to the way you want it printed and people vote on it.

I think he's saying the negative space is lines. Think of it like an optical illusion. Unfortunately, like I said before, I don't think that counts as fitting the theme. No doubt people have tattled on this and it will either get rejected or not though. Don't worry about it. ^_^

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AdderXYU


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superspryte wrote:I think he's saying the negative space is lines. Think of it like an optical illusion. Unfortunately, like I said before, I don't think that counts as fitting the theme. No doubt people have tattled on this and it will either get rejected or not though. Don't worry about it. ^_^


The design has fill either way, tho... the "black" has the massive fill of the shirt, and the white is ONLY fill. No matter what color the "line art" is, that color has fill areas, which is a no-no

superspryte


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AdderXYU wrote:The design has fill either way, tho... the "black" has the massive fill of the shirt, and the white is ONLY fill. No matter what color the "line art" is, that color has fill areas, which is a no-no

I'm not disagreeing, just trying to point out what the artist is saying.

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AdderXYU


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superspryte wrote:I'm not disagreeing, just trying to point out what the artist is saying.


i didn't think you were... I was just responding since yours was the last comment. You point out what he's saying, I point out what he's doing ;)

superspryte


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AdderXYU wrote:i didn't think you were... I was just responding since yours was the last comment. You point out what he's saying, I point out what he's doing ;)

I've tried to do both but he didn't respond to me.

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AdderXYU


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superspryte wrote:I've tried to do both but he didn't respond to me.


'course he didn't. He's got nothing to say.

Anyway, how 'bout that fog, huh?

MHBoston


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AdderXYU wrote:The design has fill either way, tho... the "black" has the massive fill of the shirt, and the white is ONLY fill. No matter what color the "line art" is, that color has fill areas, which is a no-no

You mean to say that it *is* meant to be a white shirt and aaallllll that black is fill? ::smacks forehead::: Then it's outside the printable area. This shirt should be rejected. Now I'm done

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brizz


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daedalusknight wrote:I don't think you're following my reasoning... I'm not trying to misrepresent anything. I'm using white ink on a black shirt to convey an image of black lines on a white page.

Though I cannot speak for our friendly shirt reviewer, it seems that Woot agrees with me as this shirt has not yet been rejected and other shirts that have been posted after it have been rejected. For this small kindness, I'd like offer my sincerest thanks, even though this shirt has no chance of being made as it's not even breaking the top 100 shirts. Oh well. I guess I'll just have to try harder next week.


That's not line art.

daedalusknight


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brizz wrote:That's not line art.


Wow... all this debate about my sad little 121st place shirt.

I'd like to just state my case once more and be done with it. I'm thankful for all your opinions and discussion and I really do value your input, however I'm not going to put any more discussion into this as it's obviously not going to be made into a shirt come the end of the week, so it's not really worth arguing over.

I'm not trying to "cheat" here. I'm not trying to get away with something I should not. What I did was take a white sheet of paper and draw a black line design on it. Then I scanned it, cleaned it up, and put it on the black t-shirt. I obviously didn't want to leave a big white rectangle around it, so I trimmed that off. It's still line art, black lines on white background, but you may choose to see it differently. If so, you're entitled to have that opinion.

If you'd much rather see this as an inverted image (white lines on a black t-shirt) or with the same image on a white t-shirt, I'd be happy to post either one or both. Personally, I don't think it's worth the effort as it doesn't seem like it will be voted for in either case. Let's just move on and give our attention to some of the wonderful shirts that actually have a chance of winning. I'm personally rooting for "As the Wind Blows" and I'd really like to see it make it to print. I'd probably buy a couple of those. :-)


brizz


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daedalusknight wrote:Wow... all this debate about my sad little 121st place shirt.

I'd like to just state my case once more and be done with it. I'm thankful for all your opinions and discussion and I really do value your input, however I'm not going to put any more discussion into this as it's obviously not going to be made into a shirt come the end of the week, so it's not really worth arguing over.

I'm not trying to "cheat" here. I'm not trying to get away with something I should not. What I did was take a white sheet of paper and draw a black line design on it. Then I scanned it, cleaned it up, and put it on the black t-shirt. I obviously didn't want to leave a big white rectangle around it, so I trimmed that off. It's still line art, black lines on white background, but you may choose to see it differently. If so, you're entitled to have that opinion.

If you'd much rather see this as an inverted image (white lines on a black t-shirt) or with the same image on a white t-shirt, I'd be happy to post either one or both. Personally, I don't think it's worth the effort as it doesn't seem like it will be voted for in either case. Let's just move on and give our attention to some of the wonderful shirts that actually have a chance of winning. I'm personally rooting for "As the Wind Blows" and I'd really like to see it make it to print. I'd probably buy a couple of those. :-)


i understand perfectly what you did...it's just not within the rules of this theme, which clearly states "no fill". had you put it on a white shirt, it would fly, but then it wouldn't look like it does. I guess myself and others took umbrage with your disregard of the basic rules and trying to justify it anyway. But you are absolutely right - it is not worth haggling about since it has no chance of being printed...

daedalusknight


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brizz wrote:i understand perfectly what you did...it's just not within the rules of this theme, which clearly states "no fill". had you put it on a white shirt, it would fly, but then it wouldn't look like it does. I guess myself and others took umbrage with your disregard of the basic rules and trying to justify it anyway. But you are absolutely right - it is not worth haggling about since it has no chance of being printed...


I apologize. I did not mean to cause anyone offense.

I was not attempting to disregard the rules as, in my mind, it was perfectly acceptable to create an image with no fill in between the lines (if you count the black parts as the lines)... the rules were pretty clear about that... the lines must show the background between them. I guess you could claim that whole area around the lines, then, would be filled, but, again, I'm not trying to cheat the rules, I just saw that as the best way to present my design.

Clearly, since so many voices have been raised against me, I did not interpret the rules as strictly as possible and, again, I am sorry if that caused offense to anyone. I had thought my method perfectly acceptable and, moreover, justifiable, given the rules as stated, but it has been shown to me that I must (should I decide to enter into future contests) be more critical of my interpretation of Woot's criteria.

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