Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

wow. you suck. epic omgwin!....

thanks for wasting everyones time...

now go click reply and read what i really said... woot has word filters...

<3

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

*swoons over epic steampunk dog of cuteness*

Eh... this submission was funny the first time, but the joke's sort of lost its luster.

DiamondFace wrote:Eh... this submission was funny the first time, but the joke's sort of lost its luster.

No it has not lost its luster. Not as much as cutesy designs anyways...

EDIT: WHAT SHIRT COLOR IS THIS ON?

EDIT2: SORRY TO YELL

hastethechariot wrote:wow. you suck. epic omgwin!....

thanks for wasting everyones time...

now go click reply and read what i really said... woot has word filters...

<3

It's only wasting your time if you let it. You were the one who took the time to comment and show your disapproval. I don't see it as wasting my time if it's 1. making a joke and 2. it's trying to prove a point as to how many entries are not on theme.

hastethechariot wrote:wow. you suck. epic omgwin!....

thanks for wasting everyones time...

now go click reply and read what i really said... woot has word filters...

<3

Thanks for making me waste time by hitting reply.

DiamondFace wrote:Eh... this submission was funny the first time, but the joke's sort of lost its luster.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Now that's funny. Adder wins.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Hahaha. Fantastic.

Very good execution. Perfectly on topic. GMV!

theinfinityloop wrote:I disagree. I think there should be more of them.

I agree - a derbyful! This one is particularly clever. Such originality is genius.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

in for one. adder, you rule the world

I get the point of this, but it really disappoints me that it's taking up a valuable space in the hotness where serious designs could be getting more exposure.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

this is the greatest creation by anyone evar. you should get an award sir.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

I know I'm relatively new to woot, but has adder ever submitted a serious derby entry?

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Even more epic with the dog and this actually makes me laugh :P Great man, great!

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

stop.
it.
out.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

I actually much prefer this method of protest over bickering. Plus, it's funny

GMV.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

My heart beats only for AdderXYU.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

No monocle or top hat?

Icemank91 wrote:I know I'm relatively new to woot, but has adder ever submitted a serious derby entry?

Yup. In the professions derby, IIRC.

GMV.

I hate that damn fog with so much passion right now, it's not even funny.

Icemank91 wrote:I know I'm relatively new to woot, but has adder ever submitted a serious derby entry?

Not under that name...

alfbo wrote:Not under that name...

Try again.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

perfect example of steampunk. GMV

2thFairy wrote:Try again.

Apparently I sit corrected.

Icemank91 wrote:I know I'm relatively new to woot, but has adder ever submitted a serious derby entry?

Are you implying that this is not a serious entry?

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

I don't want to freak anyone out here, but I've voted for this design and every time I leave the page and come back to it later, it says I haven't voted for it. So, I try to vote for it again, leave the page, come back, same thing. No vote shown. Any ideas why? This hasn't happened to the other two designs I've voted on.

Edit: okay, looks like my vote has finally decided to stick around. that was really weird.

I say we do this every week in protest. We find one person who donates all winnings to charity. If we can keep stuff like this in the fog maybe we can get some sort of change here.

iris420 wrote:I don't want to freak anyone out here, but I've voted for this design and every time I leave the page and come back to it later, it says I haven't voted for it. So, I try to vote for it again, leave the page, come back, same thing. No vote shown. Any ideas why? This hasn't happened to the other two designs I've voted on.

Sometimes weird stuff happens on the site. Give it an hour and check back again. Your vote may be registered by then, or if it isn't, you may be able to vote properly at that point. I've experienced the same thing on numerous other designs at various times in the past. Rest assured, this isn't some code monkey voodoo magic designed to keep votes away from Adder's entry.

iris420 wrote:I don't want to freak anyone out here, but I've voted for this design and every time I leave the page and come back to it later, it says I haven't voted for it. So, I try to vote for it again, leave the page, come back, same thing. No vote shown. Any ideas why? This hasn't happened to the other two designs I've voted on.

Edit: okay, looks like my vote has finally decided to stick around. that was really weird.

That happened to me too the other day.

sefjwm wrote:I say we do this every week in protest. We find one person who donates all winnings to charity. If we can keep stuff like this in the fog maybe we can get some sort of change here.

Change from what? What exactly do you want changed? To take away peoples free will to vote for who they please, or to sumbit what they please? xD

eHalcyon wrote: Rest assured, this isn't some code monkey voodoo magic designed to keep votes away from Adder's entry.

Haha! This is why I prefaced my comment. Conspiracy abounds! Thanks for the info.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

GMV again Adder.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

I have some legitimate questions I need answered here:

Why is that dog steaming from his mouth?

What is holding that gear up in the air?

Why does the dog look like an overdone pork chop?


If I'm going to vote for this, I need to know what you were thinking while you labored over this. Really, Adder, I don't even think pork chops have mouths.

marzipanapple wrote:I have some legitimate questions I need answered here:

Why is that dog steaming from his mouth?

What is holding that gear up in the air?

Why does the dog look like an overdone pork chop?


If I'm going to vote for this, I need to know what you were thinking while you labored over this. Really, Adder, I don't even think pork chops have mouths.

I think the dog's name is porkchop.

marzipanapple wrote:I have some legitimate questions I need answered here:

Why is that dog steaming from his mouth?

What is holding that gear up in the air?

Why does the dog look like an overdone pork chop?


If I'm going to vote for this, I need to know what you were thinking while you labored over this. Really, Adder, I don't even think pork chops have mouths.

And I believe he ate the same bad burrito that caused the steam from the armored dog in another derby entry.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

What an wily crawdad.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Needs more body armor.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

...the more i look at this now, the more i think it should be something other than white.

i don't know if you know much about woot, adder, or the online t-shirt world in general, but most people here prefer non-white shirts. ;)

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

this made my day, thanks adder

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

I wonder what would happen if this actually got printed. LOL. I would buy it.

2thFairy wrote:And I believe he ate the same bad burrito that caused the steam from the armored dog in another derby entry.

ROFL!

First time I really LOLed at an entry. There are maybe 3 entries that qualify as steampunk in this entire contest, and one of them was your rejected shirt.

God I hope this knocks that "other" dog entry out of the fog. This is obviously the real deal.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

woot embrangles at making themes. And then they sleep until it's over.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Finally you got it right, Adder. At least you're on topic. Now if only you could draw...

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Well this entry is utter tripe. I, personally, am a fan of steampunk and I think you oversimplify what it is.

With that said, I'm giving you a vote simply because all the shirts I do like are far from the fog or rejected (as far from the fog as you can get). I'm quite curious to see if woot will print this, and, if so, how many weeks it'll stay in the top 20. Good luck.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Your design only punctuates how well formulaic art does here at woot! Tired art rakes in the votes. How sad is that!

Adder, I hope this design prints. It'll be 1,000 cool bucks for you and almost as disappointing a print as "yay, brocolli" for all those who care about intelligent, well-executed, original art.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

First time poster, wanted to wait until I had something worthwhile to say. My first thought when I saw the first version of this "protest shirt," or whatever it might be called, was "slightly funny, mostly stupid." But after thinking about it more, seeing the troubles of Drakxxx and others, and seeing the off-topicness and pandering (or at least cuteseyness) of the fog, I have come to fully support this entry. I believe this is the best (and only viable) way for those with similar opinions to try to influence the outcomes of these derbys. I believe that suggesting rule restrictions ("no flying penguins") or rejections based on relative off-topicness would be bad for a few reasons:
1. Not gonna happen
2. Restricts artistic freedom (much as I personally hate the cutesy animals)

So, good job Adder, let's just hope that people can be encouraged to vote more for on-topic and genuinely creative entries through satire, unlikely as it may be... GMV.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Count me in, I like the use of cutesy animal - only thing missing is a really bad pun. Maybe the steampunk Willie artist can help you out...

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Clown...shoes...

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

The gear doesn't have enough personality. If I may make a minor suggestion...

masterkraig wrote:Needs more body armor.

Oh man, you almost made me spit my coffee out... L O L

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Clown...shoes...

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

Now only if it had a video game reference...

...A victory would be epic and I would wear this to the confusion of all mankind!

itoaseik wrote: I believe that suggesting rule restrictions ("no flying penguins") or rejections based on relative off-topicness would be bad for a few reasons:
1. Not gonna happen
2. Restricts artistic freedom (much as I personally hate the cutesy animals)

So, good job Adder, let's just hope that people can be encouraged to vote more for on-topic and genuinely creative entries through satire, unlikely as it may be... GMV.

In all seriousness, I agree with this. Having rules barring certain things from the derby(not including text, as that is a little different) isn't really a fair way to go. Especially since I'm sure everyone has *something* they'd like to ban.
Now, if only this would print. ;)

itoaseik wrote:First time poster, wanted to wait until I had something worthwhile to say. My first thought when I saw the first version of this "protest shirt," or whatever it might be called, was "slightly funny, mostly stupid." But after thinking about it more, seeing the troubles of Drakxxx and others, and seeing the off-topicness and pandering (or at least cuteseyness) of the fog, I have come to fully support this entry. I believe this is the best (and only viable) way for those with similar opinions to try to influence the outcomes of these derbys. I believe that suggesting rule restrictions ("no flying penguins") or rejections based on relative off-topicness would be bad for a few reasons:
1. Not gonna happen
2. Restricts artistic freedom (much as I personally hate the cutesy animals)

So, good job Adder, let's just hope that people can be encouraged to vote more for on-topic and genuinely creative entries through satire, unlikely as it may be... GMV.

Quality Post!

The more I look at this, this more I think that the dog should have a master sword lying in front of it.

manticoreparade wrote:The gear doesn't have enough personality. If I may make a minor suggestion...

Sorry, you got it all wrong. The eyes need to be empty white circles for this to work.

itoaseik wrote:First time poster, wanted to wait until I had something worthwhile to say. My first thought when I saw the first version of this "protest shirt," or whatever it might be called, was "slightly funny, mostly stupid." But after thinking about it more, seeing the troubles of Drakxxx and others, and seeing the off-topicness and pandering (or at least cuteseyness) of the fog, I have come to fully support this entry. I believe this is the best (and only viable) way for those with similar opinions to try to influence the outcomes of these derbys. I believe that suggesting rule restrictions ("no flying penguins") or rejections based on relative off-topicness would be bad for a few reasons:
1. Not gonna happen
2. Restricts artistic freedom (much as I personally hate the cutesy animals)

So, good job Adder, let's just hope that people can be encouraged to vote more for on-topic and genuinely creative entries through satire, unlikely as it may be... GMV.

Great Post. Great Shirt. Great F*ing Point!

How 'bout something as simple as a 2 week waiting period before a winner of a derby can resubmit a shirt into the competition? At least it'd springboard new ideas and add some variety to the fog.

bobichka wrote:Sorry, you got it all wrong. The eyes need to be empty white circles for this to work.

Or at least make everything on the shirt look like it's made of rubber ducky plastic. Come one! Where's the shiny?

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

come on only ....800 more votes and it might make it into the fog!!! B^) man i wish this would get in there!!!

humps411 wrote:Great Post. Great Shirt. Great F*ing Point!

How 'bout something as simple as a 2 week waiting period before a winner of a derby can resubmit a shirt into the competition? At least it'd springboard new ideas and add some variety to the fog.

I don't think that the point is to try to "socialize" shirt.woot. Unfortunately the majority rules and many voters of the shirt.woot nation appear to usually like cute stuff and ignore the the rules and the "spirit" of the derby when they vote.

manticoreparade wrote:The gear doesn't have enough personality. If I may make a minor suggestion...

o, my yess, what a improov... you givd it b**bs and furry lady parts. sexist weasel.

itoaseik wrote:First time poster, wanted to wait until I had something worthwhile to say. My first thought when I saw the first version of this "protest shirt," or whatever it might be called, was "slightly funny, mostly stupid." But after thinking about it more, seeing the troubles of Drakxxx and others, and seeing the off-topicness and pandering (or at least cuteseyness) of the fog, I have come to fully support this entry. I believe this is the best (and only viable) way for those with similar opinions to try to influence the outcomes of these derbys. I believe that suggesting rule restrictions ("no flying penguins") or rejections based on relative off-topicness would be bad for a few reasons:
1. Not gonna happen
2. Restricts artistic freedom (much as I personally hate the cutesy animals)

So, good job Adder, let's just hope that people can be encouraged to vote more for on-topic and genuinely creative entries through satire, unlikely as it may be... GMV.

Or maybe people should just vote for what they would actually buy as I'm pretty sure woot would like these shirt to sell.

kittypoocaca wrote:Or maybe people should just vote for what they would actually buy as I'm pretty sure woot would like these shirt to sell.

Amen.

kittypoocaca wrote:Or maybe people should just vote for what they would actually buy as I'm pretty sure woot would like these shirt to sell.

I never said people should not vote for shirts that they want to buy. However, clearly not every vote equals a purchased shirt, or vice versa. So, I see no reason that people can't try to convince people to use their votes a little differently. Everyone wants the designs they like to win, and I think that this is a good way to try to achieve that. Ultimately, everyone is in control of their own vote. If you want to be able to vote for what you like, then of course the cost of that is that other people can do the same.

Obviously Woot is a business, and their ultimate goal is to make money. However, I think it is also clear that shirt.woot is not motivated only by money, or they would reject shirts only for copyright reasons, as has been stated by others. Frankly, I think it is in Woot's best long-term interest for unique designs to win. As more designs with similar themes get printed, the same people who bought those previous designs will run out of money/closet space ("I'd really like to buy this shirt that I voted for, but I just bought that other one last week"). Also, people who don't like those types of designs will go elsewhere.

I think I was a little harsh to use the word "pandering" to refer to some of the fog designs... my intention was not to hate on any particular designs or designer. For example, I like Sekiyoku's design almost enough to want to wear it on a shirt. However, I happen to also think that it does not really fit the theme, which to me is important for a couple reasons. I think the purpose of the themes is to encourage unique designs that are very different week to week. Failing to adhere to the themes is somewhat unfair to those who do, and leads to less variety in designs... I'm rambling now, so I'm going to stop.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

[shameless promotion of my blog]
It’s Wednesday and I have made my list. If you are the least bit interested, come on over to the blog. If not, continue on to the next comment (unless it is a double/triple post by me, then ignore it).
[/shameless promotion of my blog]

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

This design makes me wish that Woot offered a negative vote option. I know this design was meant to be funny, but the fact that it's got so many votes is really disconcerting. Geez!

databit wrote:[shameless promotion of my blog]
It’s Wednesday and I have made my list. If you are the least bit interested, come on over to the blog. If not, continue on to the next comment (unless it is a double/triple post by me, then ignore it).
[/shameless promotion of my blog]

Because you insist on spamming the derbies with links to your blog, I will never vote for one of your designs.

Just saying. Put it in your sig, and stop there.

As for the shirt...It's humorous, it's probably as topical as anything else, but I suspect it might count as woot related.

I think it would be interesting to see the number of people who voted for a shirt that was printed and then failed to buy ANYTHING from that derby. I can see if you voted for all three shirts that got printed, and only bought one, but it seems to me that if you haven't bought ANY of the shirts you've voted for, then maybe you should get to vote again.

mitchellp wrote:This design makes me wish that Woot offered a negative vote option. I know this design was meant to be funny, but the fact that it's got so many votes is really disconcerting. Geez!

It should be disconcerting. Its entire existence is based on how disconcerting it is that the designs this design is parodying are doing so well.

Mavyn wrote:Because you insist on spamming the derbies with links to your blog, I will never vote for one of your designs.

Just saying. Put it in your sig, and stop there.

As for the shirt...It's humorous, it's probably as topical as anything else, but I suspect it might count as woot related.

I think it would be interesting to see the number of people who voted for a shirt that was printed and then failed to buy ANYTHING from that derby. I can see if you voted for all three shirts that got printed, and only bought one, but it seems to me that if you haven't bought ANY of the shirts you've voted for, then maybe you should get to vote again.

That's fine, I doubt you have voted that much for them anyway... They are not really that great of quality usually, though I have hit on a popular design once or twice. But for the most part I get happy when I break 50 votes on an entry.

Something I keep seeing in these posts on certain artists is: You people who vote on an entry just because of who the artist is are what is wrong with Woot!

I have a question though, and note this is purely a question and I offer no opinion of my own on this. Is it different to NOT vote on an entry just because of who the artist is (of course I know it is a stretch to refer to myself as an artist, so just remember this is just a question to think about. Not expecting any logical response because I think it is up for interpretation)

On the spam issue, I post the notice of the list only in the entries that I have included in my list and this is my way of notifying viewers and the artists that they are on my list. If they want to check what else is on the list, they can go check it out. If not, then on to the next comment. Sorry that I have horribly offended you.

SailorButterfly wrote:It should be disconcerting. Its entire existence is based on how disconcerting it is that the designs this design is parodying are doing so well.

Indeed. This is meant to mock the popular off topic entries that seem to have entrenched themselves in the fog.

Mavyn wrote:Because you insist on spamming the derbies with links to your blog, I will never vote for one of your designs.

Just saying. Put it in your sig, and stop there.

As for the shirt...It's humorous, it's probably as topical as anything else, but I suspect it might count as woot related.

I think it would be interesting to see the number of people who voted for a shirt that was printed and then failed to buy ANYTHING from that derby. I can see if you voted for all three shirts that got printed, and only bought one, but it seems to me that if you haven't bought ANY of the shirts you've voted for, then maybe you should get to vote again.

Firstly, databit posting anything relating to his blog is no different than Thatrobert who owns the 'Best Losers' site. He's welcome to have his picks and write up why he likes them. And because of that, he posts that people should read his blog. NOW, he probably shouldn't do it the way he's been doing (because yes, it does look like shameless advertising, even how he notes it) but he could create an ICON or something that directly links to the write up (much like Thatrobert does for his write-ups.)


As for your second remark, I see nothing woot related in the design unless you feel that directly relating to someone else's design qualifies as woot related.

And Thirdly, you can see the vote #'s versus the sales of a shirt after the first 24 hrs or it sells out before then (which, if the top 3 do not sell out in their first 24 hrs, I'll again be on the bandwagon as to extra accounts voting for designs that shouldn't have printed in the first place). So if ramy and seki don't sell out, come forward and argue the case. Lord knows those of us who say something week after week seem to just be blowing smoke up people's asses.

databit wrote:That's fine, I doubt you have voted that much for them anyway... They are not really that great of quality usually, though I have hit on a popular design once or twice. But for the most part I get happy when I break 50 votes on an entry.

Something I keep seeing in these posts on certain artists is: You people who vote on an entry just because of who the artist is are what is wrong with Woot!

I have a question though, and note this is purely a question and I offer no opinion of my own on this. Is it different to NOT vote on an entry just because of who the artist is (of course I know it is a stretch to refer to myself as an artist, so just remember this is just a question to think about. Not expecting any logical response because I think it is up for interpretation)

On the spam issue, I post the notice of the list only in the entries that I have included in my list and this is my way of notifying viewers and the artists that they are on my list. If they want to check what else is on the list, they can go check it out. If not, then on to the next comment. Sorry that I have horribly offended you.

You know, I only have two artist on this site tht I don't vote for as a general rule, and it doesn't seem to be hurting them. However, if Boots or Jewelwing had submitted their entries, I wouldn't have voted for them either, because they are not steampunk. Heck, my wife could have submitted them, and I wouldn't have voted for them for the same reason. I have only ever liked two of their designs and I only own one of them because woot accidentally sent me one instead of the one I ordered.

databit wrote:That's fine, I doubt you have voted that much for them anyway... They are not really that great of quality usually, though I have hit on a popular design once or twice. But for the most part I get happy when I break 50 votes on an entry.

...

I have a question though, and note this is purely a question and I offer no opinion of my own on this. Is it different to NOT vote on an entry just because of who the artist is (of course I know it is a stretch to refer to myself as an artist, so just remember this is just a question to think about. Not expecting any logical response because I think it is up for interpretation)

Not horribly offended, just annoyed.

I HAVE withheld a vote from one of your designs. Otherwise, it wouldn't be worth mentioning.

And I agree--voting for something because of the who artist is just as silly. I don't vote that way, I vote on designs I'll either wear myself or give to someone.

JadenKale wrote:And Thirdly, you can see the vote #'s versus the sales of a shirt after the first 24 hrs or it sells out before then (which, if the top 3 do not sell out in their first 24 hrs, I'll again be on the bandwagon as to extra accounts voting for designs that shouldn't have printed in the first place). So if ramy and seki don't sell out, come forward and argue the case. Lord knows those of us who say something week after week seem to just be blowing smoke up people's asses.

Many, many shirt designs don't sell out despite a high number of votes. As long as the number of votes doesn't exceed the number purchased, there isn't much reason to suspect foul play. And even if it does happen, heck, it's happened to well-respected artists too. Unless designs are underselling repeatedly and consistently, the phenomenon can just as easily be chalked up to Woot's ever-shifting customer base.

JadenKale wrote:Firstly, databit posting anything relating to his blog is no different than Thatrobert who owns the 'Best Losers' site. He's welcome to have his picks and write up why he likes them. And because of that, he posts that people should read his blog. NOW, he probably shouldn't do it the way he's been doing (because yes, it does look like shameless advertising, even how he notes it) but he could create an ICON or something that directly links to the write up (much like Thatrobert does for his write-ups.)


As for your second remark, I see nothing woot related in the design unless you feel that directly relating to someone else's design qualifies as woot related.

I was suggesting he do just that, sorry if that steps on your toes. Never said 'stop doing it' or 'why are you doing it'...Just, you do X, I do Y. My single vote is meaningless, in the larger scheme.

On the second point...I was kidding, thanks.

eHalcyon wrote:Many, many shirt designs don't sell out despite a high number of votes. As long as the number of votes doesn't exceed the number purchased, there isn't much reason to suspect foul play. And even if it does happen, heck, it's happened to well-respected artists too. Unless designs are underselling repeatedly and consistently, the phenomenon can just as easily be chalked up to Woot's ever-shifting customer base.

I'm sure at this point you've pissed off nearly everyone with your insistence on always being reasonable

eHalcyon wrote:Many, many shirt designs don't sell out despite a high number of votes. As long as the number of votes doesn't exceed the number purchased, there isn't much reason to suspect foul play. And even if it does happen, heck, it's happened to well-respected artists too. Unless designs are underselling repeatedly and consistently, the phenomenon can just as easily be chalked up to Woot's ever-shifting customer base.

At this point, we're looking at over 1000 votes per entry in the fog (or pretty damn close.) In the past, once we hit the 1k vote number, chances were high that the design would sell out. Now, if they don't, I'd be interested to know why. The average of 2 and 3 shirt purchases still sit in the combined 5-10% of sales. If these votes are accurate, we should see close to no multiple sales (under 6% total) and sell outs before noon CST on at least 2 shirts, and the 3rd place selling out by no later than 5pm CST.

I don't think the customer base is changing at all. It's the same computer/technophiles who desire instant gratification that visited before. Part of our high numbers can be attributed to the new vote link on the main woot page (replacing the reckoning list link, since all that was doing was boosting seki's sales and pretty much nothing for the rest of the other 26 shirts for sale), but the purchasers will still be the same.

JadenKale wrote:At this point, we're looking at over 1000 votes per entry in the fog (or pretty damn close.) In the past, once we hit the 1k vote number, chances were high that the design would sell out. Now, if they don't, I'd be interested to know why. The average of 2 and 3 shirt purchases still sit in the combined 5-10% of sales. If these votes are accurate, we should see close to no multiple sales (under 6% total) and sell outs before noon CST on at least 2 shirts, and the 3rd place selling out by no later than 5pm CST.

I don't think the customer base is changing at all. It's the same computer/technophiles who desire instant gratification that visited before. Part of our high numbers can be attributed to the new vote link on the main woot page (replacing the reckoning list link, since all that was doing was boosting seki's sales and pretty much nothing for the rest of the other 26 shirts for sale), but the purchasers will still be the same.

"A Wonderful Day" received over 1000 votes but failed to sell out. Somebody posted a comment wondering if it was the first time a design failed to sell out after getting so many votes, and it turns out that it wasn't. I figure the third place design might not sell out simply because the customers get weary from the theme. It may also be that someone votes for two or three designs in the fog but decides to only buy one of them - whichever one happens to get put up for sale earlier. Given the sameness exuded by many of Seki's and Ramy's entries, I wouldn't be surprised if the highest-placing one sells out while the others have lack-lustre numbers at best.

JadenKale wrote:At this point, we're looking at over 1000 votes per entry in the fog (or pretty damn close.) In the past, once we hit the 1k vote number, chances were high that the design would sell out. Now, if they don't, I'd be interested to know why. The average of 2 and 3 shirt purchases still sit in the combined 5-10% of sales. If these votes are accurate, we should see close to no multiple sales (under 6% total) and sell outs before noon CST on at least 2 shirts, and the 3rd place selling out by no later than 5pm CST.

I don't think the customer base is changing at all. It's the same computer/technophiles who desire instant gratification that visited before. Part of our high numbers can be attributed to the new vote link on the main woot page (replacing the reckoning list link, since all that was doing was boosting seki's sales and pretty much nothing for the rest of the other 26 shirts for sale), but the purchasers will still be the same.

I don't really have any investment in this since I'm not going to be printing, but Drakxxx certainly has enough momentum that he can potentially still print. (according to SDS) However, if he prints, he's definitely going to have over 1000 votes. So do you expect him to sell out, and if he doesn't are you going to accuse him of having a bunch of fake accounts?

As for the reckoning link - it did increase the sales for my music picture, but it also did so for practically ever other shirt in reckoning. And very significantly too, for example, Nevermore sold 246 compared to 115 the previous week, and Imposter sold 209 compared to 104. Just as examples. Also keep in mind that the link was only up for something like three days.

Mavyn wrote:

And I agree--voting for something because of the who artist is just as silly. I don't vote that way, I vote on designs I'll either wear myself or give to someone.

Cool.

sekiyoku wrote:As for the reckoning link - it did increase the sales for my music picture, but it also did so for practically ever other shirt in reckoning.

Completely and utterly off-topic, but it kind of irks me that you refer to designs, entries and shirts as "pictures". Just a weird pet peeve, I guess.

eHalcyon wrote:Completely and utterly off-topic, but it kind of irks me that you refer to designs, entries and shirts as "pictures". Just a weird pet peeve, I guess.

I think someone else commented on this being annoying before. :p I'm used to referring to artwork as pictures, and also, I think almost all the entries fall under the category of a picture anyway, but I have actually been trying to cycle out that word from my t-shirt community vocabulary.

sekiyoku wrote:I think someone else commented on this being annoying before. :p I'm used to referring to artwork as pictures, and also, I think almost all the entries fall under the category of a picture anyway, but I have actually been trying to cycle out that word from my t-shirt community vocabulary.

ftr, its never bothered me. in fact it was never noticed.
*makes mental note to stop calling everything a drawing or piece from now on*

sekiyoku wrote:I don't really have any investment in this since I'm not going to be printing, but Drakxxx certainly has enough momentum that he can potentially still print. (according to SDS) However, if he prints, he's definitely going to have over 1000 votes. So do you expect him to sell out, and if he doesn't are you going to accuse him of having a bunch of fake accounts?

Nobody would accuse Drakxxx of that even if he didn't sell out. He doesn't have a reputation for scamming for popularity on Deviantart, nor does he have a bad reputation for being shameless money grubber who screws over other artists at conventions.

In short, Drakxxx has a pretty clean reputation. As Koronae said many pages ago, there is a saying about making one's bed and then laying in it.

Also, a lot of people are voting for Drakxxx solely to spite both you and Ramyb. The circumstances are drastically different. Even so, you can bet your butt that I'll be buying his design, and I bet a lot of others will as well, solely because they DO support Drakxxx and his awesome designs.

lexaverial wrote:Also, a lot of people are voting for Drakxxx solely to spite both you and Ramyb. The circumstances are drastically different.

That's a terrible reason to vote for a design. I sincerely hope that people are voting because they would buy it, or at the very least because they like the design. Voting just to spite someone is shameful, regardless of who it is you're spiting.

eHalcyon wrote:That's a terrible reason to vote for a design. I sincerely hope that people are voting because they would buy it, or at the very least because they like the design. Voting just to spite someone is shameful, regardless of who it is you're spiting.

Oh, I certainly agree with you. I just suspect there is some truth to that. I genuinely like the design myself, and I think a lot of others do as well. But to say there aren't people who are voting out of spite is like saying that people don't vote for Ramy or Seki on name alone. It surely happens.

lexaverial wrote:Oh, I certainly agree with you. I just suspect there is some truth to that. I genuinely like the design myself, and I think a lot of others do as well. But to say there aren't people who are voting out of spite is like saying that people don't vote for Ramy or Seki on name alone. It surely happens.

There are plenty of people who vote for Drakxxx on name, or jamescho, or tgentry, and many of the other artists who perform well week in and week out. How is it ok for them to receive votes that way but not for certain other artists, just because you don't like them?

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

this entry is just sad.

elwayman02 wrote:There are plenty of people who vote for Drakxxx on name, or jamescho, or tgentry, and many of the other artists who perform well week in and week out. How is it ok for them to receive votes that way but not for certain other artists, just because you don't like them?

Note that I said I agreed that voting to spite people is shameful. The opposite holds true as well, it is just as bad to vote on name alone. I was just stating that this sort of stuff does happen. I'm not condoning it on any level whatsoever.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

The most sinister grin crawled across my face.

lexaverial wrote:Note that I said I agreed that voting to spite people is shameful. The opposite holds true as well, it is just as bad to vote on name alone. I was just stating that this sort of stuff does happen. I'm not condoning it on any level whatsoever.

I disagree. Voting to spite is much worse than voting on name alone, because voting out of spite is a malicious attempt to sabotage an artist's chances at printing merely because you don't like them, whereas voting on name alone is merely supporting someone who you believe is talented or perhaps have a personal connection with. In general, though, I think most people at least look at the entries they are voting on before they vote. For example, I consider myself to be a friend of sekiyoku's outside of Woot (I knew her from elsewhere before she started entering derbies), but I don't always vote for her designs, especially if I see designs I like better that she is in competition with. However, if I am generally ok with all of the designs she is competing with, I'm more likely to vote for her design than someone else's, because I like to support my friends. This applies to other artists as well, not just sekiyoku. I've worked with sailormoontsu, fablefire, and drakxxx on varying numbers of collaborations in the past, so I tend to support their entries under the same system. I omgwin! to see how that is a bad thing.

elwayman02 wrote:I disagree. Voting to spite is much worse than voting on name alone, because voting out of spite is a malicious attempt to sabotage an artist's chances at printing merely because you don't like them, whereas voting on name alone is merely supporting someone who you believe is talented or perhaps have a personal connection with. In general, though, I think most people at least look at the entries they are voting on before they vote. For example, I consider myself to be a friend of sekiyoku's outside of Woot (I knew her from elsewhere before she started entering derbies), but I don't always vote for her designs, especially if I see designs I like better that she is in competition with. However, if I am generally ok with all of the designs she is competing with, I'm more likely to vote for her design than someone else's, because I like to support my friends. This applies to other artists as well, not just sekiyoku. I've worked with sailormoontsu, fablefire, and drakxxx on varying numbers of collaborations in the past, so I tend to support their entries under the same system. I omgwin! to see how that is a bad thing.

Well, it's not like this is going to pull into the fog or anything. It'll be lucky to get 19th place. But it's expressing a position, and a fact that it's not a fringe opinion.

elwayman02 wrote:I disagree. Voting to spite is much worse than voting on name alone, because voting out of spite is a malicious attempt to sabotage an artist's chances at printing merely because you don't like them, whereas voting on name alone is merely supporting someone who you believe is talented or perhaps have a personal connection with. In general, though, I think most people at least look at the entries they are voting on before they vote. For example, I consider myself to be a friend of sekiyoku's outside of Woot (I knew her from elsewhere before she started entering derbies), but I don't always vote for her designs, especially if I see designs I like better that she is in competition with. However, if I am generally ok with all of the designs she is competing with, I'm more likely to vote for her design than someone else's, because I like to support my friends. This applies to other artists as well, not just sekiyoku. I've worked with sailormoontsu, fablefire, and drakxxx on varying numbers of collaborations in the past, so I tend to support their entries under the same system. I omgwin! to see how that is a bad thing.

A good friend you are.
I threaten my friends lives if they don't vote for me. Thursday is judgment day, there's usually a couple of asses kicked by the end of the day.

jamescho84 wrote:I threaten my friends lives if they don't vote for me. Thursday is judgment day, there's usually a couple of asses kicked by the end of the day.

I can attest to the truth of this statement.

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

i'm hoping for an honorable mention

Re: My Dog Breathes Steampunk

i'm hoping for an honorable mention