Derby #117: Halloween
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I'm in ur kitteh.

I'm in ur kitteh.
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bassanimation


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I'm in ur kitteh...trikin ur treats..

genericsmith


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Wow... Awesome. I voted for it.

(Still got an idea for ya if you have time / interest)

Munchy Attack If you can find the name of this artist & real song title I'll buy you a daily woot shirt (your choice what day)

Dystopia Dark Lager, Where the Wild Parties at?, B.A. Bearacus, and many more wanted in XXL(PLEASE!!!)
Edgar Allen Poe shall remained headlock'd until Nevermore is reckoned.

HalfWheat


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Sick, cute and funny. What more can we ask for?

DianaSprinkle


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You and me, we are Kitteh buddies! GMV

endangeredomega


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I think the combination of the red and green, along with the tinsel-like quality about the spider's legs, made me think "Xmas" when I saw the thumbnail. The kitten's head looks a bit like a strange christmas pudding, with bloody icing and holly/tinsel on top. If it doesn't do well this week, perhaps a resub towards the end of December is in order? ;p

bassanimation


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endangeredomega wrote:I think the combination of the red and green, along with the tinsel-like quality about the spider's legs, made me think "Xmas" when I saw the thumbnail. If it doesn't do well this week, perhaps a resub towards the end of December is in order? ;p


It was supposed to be sort of zombie-like, so that's why I went with the funky green color. Sorry it doesnt work well for you .

endangeredomega


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bassanimation wrote:It was supposed to be sort of zombie-like, so that's why I went with the funky green color. Sorry it doesnt work well for you .



I'm not saying it doesn't work - quite the contrary! I like the combination of colours you've employed here quite a lot. My apologies for the misinterpretation; "facetious" doesn't always translate well via the internet.

sittle


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Do you work for Rankin Bass Animation or are you simply a big fan???

Nice work... Great design... GMV!

bassanimation


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sittle wrote:Do you work for Rankin Bass Animation or are you simply a big fan???

Nice work... Great design... GMV!


LOL, actually last name is Bass. In college we had to pick a fake studio name for our demo reel. I've always been made fun of for my last name, but it's also memorable, so I just called my "studio" Bassanimation. It's stuck for all these years..and it's never taken on forums ^_~.

Rankin/Bass is awesome tho!

bassanimation


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endangeredomega wrote:I'm not saying it doesn't work - quite the contrary! I like the combination of colours you've employed here quite a lot. My apologies for the misinterpretation; "facetious" doesn't always translate well via the internet.


Oh no, it's ok! Also I can never tell when people are serious or not, hahaha. Sometimes in the furor I dont make the wisest choices ^^.

bassanimation


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DianaSprinkle wrote:You and me, we are Kitteh buddies! GMV


YAY KITTENS OOHHEEEMMGEEEEEE!! :p Kittehs will make a good girl go bad, awww yes.

graikor


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I love this one so much, I wish I could cast more than one vote! I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you'll win so I can buy it!

-- Darren

bassanimation


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graikor wrote:I love this one so much, I wish I could cast more than one vote! I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you'll win so I can buy it!

-- Darren


Hey dude!

LOL, this was such a shot in the dark.. I think anyone can tell it was a bit of a tongue-in-cheek entry. I'm just trying to find out how to hit this crowd, and shiny kawaii seems to do it in some cases. <--desperation

I doubt it'll fog, but I'll get them made when I gets a job, hahaha. Thanks for your vote!

sugareeali


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This is full of awesome. And the only kitten worthy of being in this derby right now.

lucky1988


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this is fabulous!

Misskari


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Haha, the cold, dead eyes look MUCH more appropriate on this cat. Nicely done, bass.

icymallard


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the blood makes it work.
i think it couldve been a tiny bit smaller but it works

kbeers


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Awesome. I only wish it had been submitted earlier!

bassanimation


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kbeers wrote:Awesome. I only wish it had been submitted earlier!



I always seem to be a day late. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride -sulks-

bassanimation


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icymallard wrote:the blood makes it work.
i think it couldve been a tiny bit smaller but it works


Haha, I was trying to temper the cuteness a bit, but I see what you mean. Sorry bout that. It's hard to do everything right when time seems to be such a factor for the derby >_<;

xazothia


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I just imagine the kitty's ever-staring eyes, while the three eyes on the black creature all go "plink. plink. plink." in succession...

bethlehemstarr


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This is wonderful and horrible all at once! (which is what a Halloween entry should be- right?)
This, of course, has that silly anime look- but it's quite obvious that you are using it it a 'tongue-in-cheek' style.
It grosses me out, but I would wear it- out in town, on Halloween, and other than Halloween, I would wear it for housework :-).

sittle


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bassanimation wrote:LOL, actually last name is Bass. In college we had to pick a fake studio name for our demo reel. I've always been made fun of for my last name, but it's also memorable, so I just called my "studio" Bassanimation. It's stuck for all these years..and it's never taken on forums ^_~.

Rankin/Bass is awesome tho!

Ahhh... that explains it... Bass as in B a$$ or Base?

I love the original Rankin/Bass... Rudulph was the absolute best, Wizard of Oz was my other favorite.. Their forrays into computer animation were academic at best... They really should have teamed up, sold out to Aardman Animations.

You're submission into the National Parks derby was great... Very well done...

Just follow your drummer man, don't worry about pandering too much! ... still GMV!

sarahbau


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bassanimation wrote:I always seem to be a day late. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride -sulks-


Yeah. It looks like this one's going to pull another "X-Treme National Park." It's probably going to stay in the top position/3 hours for the remainder of the derby, and end just out of the fog. I saw that the park got an honorable mention. Does that mean they're printing it? Do you know when it will be sold?

bassanimation


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sittle wrote:Ahhh... that explains it... Bass as in B a$$ or Base?

Just follow your drummer man, don't worry about pandering too much! ... still GMV!


Bass like the fish ^^.

As for pandering...well...it is sort of gut wrenching to punish the body and soul for these derbys each week, only to flounder while the same people (who knowingly pander) seem to be unbeatable. :\ I don't plan on making this a habit, but I figured rather than join the discussion fray I would just make this thing and let it speak for me ^^;. I hate to be such an arse..but my goodness it's starting to get to me..

bassanimation


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sarahbau wrote:Yeah. It looks like this one's going to pull another "X-Treme National Park." It's probably going to stay in the top position/3 hours for the remainder of the derby, and end just out of the fog. I saw that the park got an honorable mention. Does that mean they're printing it? Do you know when it will be sold?


Hahah, I dont know if this is as good as an exploding bear, but it does seem like it'll mimick the effect.

The HM on the bear means it will go into the Second Chance Derby, which will be held soon I think :D. Lots of great designs will compete though, so I hope Mr. Bearsplosion can hold up without the derby theme behind him.

dontcallmegary


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I really really hope this fogs, I can’t stop laughing. I think your dog catcher design is great as well.

bassanimation


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dontcallmegary wrote:I really really hope this fogs, I can’t stop laughing. I think your dog catcher design is great as well.


Oh goood goooooood! I very much intended this entry to be.....comedic XD~~~.

Thanks for liking the Dogcatcher! That poor guy is just lost in the woods of this derby. That's ok though, he can ease into obscurity and star in The Surreal Life someday LOL.

marzipanapple


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Haha, oh my goodness. This is the kind of cute I like. Though it's a bit too 'shiny' for my tastes. Still, I love the design. Adorable.

sittle


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bassanimation wrote:Bass like the fish ^^.

As for pandering...well...it is sort of gut wrenching to punish the body and soul for these derbys each week, only to flounder while the same people (who knowingly pander) seem to be unbeatable. :\ I don't plan on making this a habit, but I figured rather than join the discussion fray I would just make this thing and let it speak for me ^^;. I hate to be such an arse..but my goodness it's starting to get to me..


I can't blame you for not discussing the pandering issue... No I opened my mouth over in that discussion and I have the whole Angry Adder Alliance going wild all over me... It's Bakersfield Chimp allover again!!

Animation wise.. where did you train..?

jmmbell1987


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sittle wrote:No I opened my mouth over in that discussion and I have the whole Angry Adder Alliance going wild all over me


This "angry adder alliance" stuff is really insipid.

Bass-

I won't lie, if you hadn't said otherwise I would've taken it for a parody of overly cute designs. I'm actually a little sad that it's not, as it's not a bad work of parody. I suspect that it's actually drawing votes from both voters who like the cute aspect, and people who are weary of cutesy designs.

themaverick


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I like the design. Only bone i'm pickin with you is that you didnt give credit anywhere thru this thread to kender42 for the inspiration (if that comment did inspire you as I suspect it did).

On 10/17 kender42 said in seki's "but srsly it's mai pumpkin" thread: "Just put a pumpkin crawling out of a kittens head."

Since you posted this design 2 day later, it leaves me wondering, did that comment inspire your design, and if so, why no love for kender42?

If it did inspire yur design, not making any note of it is bad form in my eyes. I apolgize in advance if you did credit kender42 somewhere else, but even if you did, it would make sense to do it here too. Just my nickel's worth.

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jmmbell1987 wrote:Bass-

I won't lie, if you hadn't said otherwise I would've taken it for a parody of overly cute designs. I'm actually a little sad that it's not, as it's not a bad work of parody. I suspect that it's actually drawing votes from both voters who like the cute aspect, and people who are weary of cutesy designs.


I agree with this second part, but ultimately I think this design is both cute and very well executed in terms of color choices and shading, and is being rewarded by the voters accordingly (great job Bass, I think this design really works on a number of levels for me)

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themaverick wrote:I like the design. Only bone i'm pickin with you is that you didnt give credit anywhere thru this thread to kender42 for the inspiration (if that comment did inspire you as I suspect it did).

On 10/17 kender42 said in seki's "but srsly it's mai pumpkin" thread: "Just put a pumpkin crawling out of a kittens head."


That's... that's not a pumpkin... I'm now really worried about what sort of pumpkin pie you're used to on Halloween.

odysseyroc


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What I really like about this is that it's super cute, yet it's not straight out of the "how to draw manga" manual. It's well designed,and wonderfully colored.

Bass has some serious skills. Some people can just flat out draw and she is one of them. After seeing your site and the few designs you've submitted, I'm a big fan.





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I've been enjoying your work so far, but this entry seems to be one part commentary on another "artist's" design this week, and one part unnecessary pander. One only really has to look at what you titled it to be aware of this. While some might find this design to be a clever poke of fun at the previously mentioned "artist" and they're despicable entry this week , I translate it into disguised pandering.

Also, while I can't fault you for wanting to win the derby, some of your commentary eludes me into thinking that winning is your first most consideration when designing.

You've only been entering here for a few derbies so far, and your vote totals have been nothing to frown at in my opinion. Your bound to pull in a contest win eventually, so relax. There's no need to even toy with the idea of going over to the dark side.

jmmbell1987


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ramyb wrote:I agree with this second part, but ultimately I think this design is both cute and very well executed in terms of color choices and shading, and is being rewarded by the voters accordingly (great job Bass, I think this design really works on a number of levels for me)


Yeah, I agree that the colors really pop nicely. And I have sneaking suspicion that there's parody still lurking in the design somewhere.

bassanimation


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marzipanapple wrote:Haha, oh my goodness. This is the kind of cute I like. Though it's a bit too 'shiny' for my tastes. Still, I love the design. Adorable.


Sorry for the shiny. I dont like shiny that much myself...but Woot sure seems to ^^;. (hence the shiny)

deusvsmachina


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I agree with what a few others have said: this is well played. Right down the line between satire and serious. And actually a cool design. That's like two whole factors in it's favor.

I'll vote for it for the satire and wear it cause I love the dark sense of humor. GMV.

deusvsmachina


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deusvsmachina wrote:I agree with what a few others have said: this is well played. Right down the line between satire and serious. And actually a cool design. That's like two whole factors in it's favor.

I'll vote for it for the satire and wear it cause I love the dark sense of humor. GMV.


And sorry about the grammatical errors there. I know the difference between "it's" and "its", I swear.

bassanimation


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themaverick wrote:I like the design. Only bone i'm pickin with you is that you didnt give credit anywhere thru this thread to kender42 for the inspiration (if that comment did inspire you as I suspect it did).

On 10/17 kender42 said in seki's "but srsly it's mai pumpkin" thread: "Just put a pumpkin crawling out of a kittens head."

Since you posted this design 2 day later, it leaves me wondering, did that comment inspire your design, and if so, why no love for kender42?

If it did inspire yur design, not making any note of it is bad form in my eyes. I apolgize in advance if you did credit kender42 somewhere else, but even if you did, it would make sense to do it here too. Just my nickel's worth.


? I actually had no idea someone had made this comment? I actually drew exactly a pumpkin crawing out of the kitten's head in my sketchbook while watching movies with friends. But then when I scanned it in I decided to change it, without even realizing someone HAD already done a pumpkin crawling out of the cat's head. ^^;

I did not see kender's comment so I appologize if it appears I took someone's idea. I seriously drew this off the top of my head, but if I hadn't I'd definately give credit where due.

bassanimation


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odysseyroc wrote:What I really like about this is that it's super cute, yet it's not straight out of the "how to draw manga" manual. It's well designed,and wonderfully colored.

Bass has some serious skills. Some people can just flat out draw and she is one of them. After seeing your site and the few designs you've submitted, I'm a big fan.


Thank you so much, odysseyroc ^^. I try but alas, doing these derby's has made me realize that there's a tooooon of talent out there. -sigh It's super hard to manage when there's so many good people out there. Thanks for looking at my site!

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bassanimation wrote:Thank you so much, odysseyroc ^^. I try but alas, doing these derby's has made me realize that there's a tooooon of talent out there. -sigh It's super hard to manage when there's so many good people out there. Thanks for looking at my site!


Yours is certainly a talent to be reckoned with. Your versatility as an artist is amazing, and I've loved all your designs so far. Keep at it, and I know you'll have your day around here.


bassanimation


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sonny2009 wrote:I've been enjoying your work so far, but this entry seems to be one part commentary on another "artist's" design this week, and one part unnecessary pander.


About winning...I'd like to explain that I've been unemployed since January. I'm an artist in the gaming industry, but where I am the industry has taken a huge, huge hit. A lot of our big studios closed here. I can't even get underpaid logo work on Craigslist these days. My friend (who also needs money) started to enter the derbys here and told me about them. As someone who hasnt had income in 10 months...yes, winning is on my mind...so I can afford some car payments or my meds, etc, etc, etc. :\

I'm sorry if my motives regarding this entry seem less than noble. I will try harder to submit good stuff that isnt pandery next time. But for me, if pandering means I can approach the fog rather than linger in the dust, I'm ok sacraficing some of my artistic dignity.

bassanimation


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sittle wrote:

Animation wise.. where did you train..?


I went to the Art Institute, nothing fancy or awesome. But I had the best time of my life there!

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jmmbell1987 wrote:Yeah, I agree that the colors really pop nicely. And I have sneaking suspicion that there's parody still lurking in the design somewhere.


I drew the top part of this picture originally with a pumpkin coming out, and a knife laying next to the head. I did this with my friends (one of who is also here in the derby, twice over) while we watched movies and chuckled over the derby. I would tell you what my friend drew (hysterical), but she decided to submit it elsewhere ^^;.

This cat was meant to be parody ^^;. I wanted to see if shiny-desu really does get attention, or if it was just related to Seki herself. I fully do not think this cat will make it to the fog, so no worries ^^. It was just me being a tad bit of a jerk. I feel sort of bad now, but dam...I just can't seem to hit this crowd right, so I took a shot.

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bassanimation wrote:About winning...I'd like to explain that I've been unemployed since January. I'm an artist in the gaming industry, but where I am the industry has taken a huge, huge hit. A lot of our big studios closed here. I can't even get underpaid logo work on Craigslist these days. My friend (who also needs money) started to enter the derbys here and told me about them. As someone who hasnt had income in 10 months...yes, winning is on my mind...so I can afford some car payments or my meds, etc, etc, etc. :\

I'm sorry if my motives regarding this entry seem less than noble. I will try harder to submit good stuff that isnt pandery next time. But for me, if pandering means I can approach the fog rather than linger in the dust, I'm ok sacraficing some of my artistic dignity.


I didn't intend to force you to explain yourself, and I apologize if that was the case. Frankly, even if you did "design it to win", it's a rock solid design, one that works as parody for those who want it that way, and as cute for those who want it that way.

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Drakxxx wrote:Yours is certainly a talent to be reckoned with. Your versatility as an artist is amazing, and I've loved all your designs so far. Keep at it, and I know you'll have your day around here.


Thanks Drakxxx, I hope my derby dream comes true..someday! Sooooommmeeedaaaayyy...

bethlehemstarr


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bassanimation wrote:About winning...I'd like to explain that I've been unemployed since January. I'm an artist in the gaming industry, but where I am the industry has taken a huge, huge hit. A lot of our big studios closed here. I can't even get underpaid logo work on Craigslist these days. My friend (who also needs money) started to enter the derbys here and told me about them. As someone who hasnt had income in 10 months...yes, winning is on my mind...so I can afford some car payments or my meds, etc, etc, etc. :\

I'm sorry if my motives regarding this entry seem less than noble. I will try harder to submit good stuff that isnt pandery next time. But for me, if pandering means I can approach the fog rather than linger in the dust, I'm ok sacraficing some of my artistic dignity.



There is pandering, and there is gross, disgusting, makes me want to claw my eyeballs out in despair pandering. You *may* be guilty of the former- but not the latter.
In my [not so] humble estimation, there is absolutely nothing wrong with desiring to win. Not only is there nothing wrong with desiring to win- this desire should be encouraged.
In winning- there is absolutely nothing wrong with desiring to receive some sort of monetary reward. There is nothing wrong with taking this money, and spending it as desired (rent, food, cute shoes, undead kittens, etc).
So- I do believe that I see a certain amount of 'pandering'. You have, over these last derbies, been attempting to find the sort of design that us wooters will vote for in large enough numbers for it to win, and thus earn you money.
There is NOTHING wrong with this.
The issue that *could* arise, sometimes does arise, and has NOT arisen in your work (to date!), is that of pandering to a lowest common denominator. Of removing all of 'you' from your art, and submitting reworked, regurgitated, generic crumb-bunny 'art'.

I happen to enjoy this piece.
It is parody.
It 'panders' to a segment of the shirt.woot community who follows the derbies. However, I see a lot of class, skill and style in this drawing. You attempted to appease the masses, but in that attempt, you did not sell yourself short- nor our taste.
This design would stand well *on it's own* as a shirt- without any knowledge of what has occurred in this derby.
It just gives an extra snicker to those of us who think 'Srsly, ur teh winner now' (I'm not sure if I silly-internet-typed that correctly).

So, thanks.
Thanks for having the guts to worry a little about whether you were pandering. The fact that you cared enough to worry about it- pretty much proves that you weren't.
You do good work. You will print here- sooner I hope, rather then later.

bassanimation


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jmmbell1987 wrote:I didn't intend to force you to explain yourself, and I apologize if that was the case. Frankly, even if you did "design it to win", it's a rock solid design, one that works as parody for those who want it that way, and as cute for those who want it that way.


Yeah, sorry to lay it out there for everyone, but that's the truth of it :\. As fun as the drawing part is...staying up all night to submit isnt fun, but this is as close to a job as I have right now.

Also, first and foremost, this place is a business. We are here to provide a product to sell, so we're kind of 'employees' in a way. When you have a boss, you do what pleases them and their customers. Here, it seems the customer likes the shiny, cute, or fanciful. It's in my nature to try and please the boss/customer, especially if it means my wage is on the line. -sweat-

BlindShooter


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I agree with what the guy above me said. This design has flair, has style and is, mind you, very much more halloween-esque than the curret kitten fiasco. A monster manipulating a kitty to obtain candy, in a very creepy manner? Halloween.
Has my vote for awesomeness and I love the style.

cleverconveyence


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Cute, and Halloween-ish. Nice.

Number of shirt.woots in 08: 23 (not counting randoms and shirts bought for friends)
number of shirt.woots in 09: 2 (same criteria)

KIDA26


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Effin awesome. Definitely GMV. Down with Ramby (or whatever his name is)!

bassanimation


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bethlehemstarr wrote:
You do good work. You will print here- sooner I hope, rather then later.


Thanks bethlehemstarr..your post was like chicken soup for the art soul . I sincerely appreciate it (virtuahug). These derbys are rough on me, and it is definately discouraging when you do your best, only to founder. It makes one sort of wander to that dark area where they do not dare go on their own (in this case, adorable cats). I'm just trying to find out what it takes to move up here. My last entry that did well was an exploding bear for God's sake. I mean...what does one even do with the knowledge that -that- is what did the best out of all their work? LOL!

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KIDA26 wrote:Effin awesome. Definitely GMV. Down with Ramby (or whatever his name is)!


Each designer is here and is standing on their own talent. People may not like Ramby (I'm glad I'm not the only one who spells it like that) but he manages to be successful. As an adult professional...success is good. I just wish more people got a shot around here rather than the same folks. But hey, if I was one of those same folks, I would be very happy.

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ramyb wrote:I agree with this second part, but ultimately I think this design is both cute and very well executed in terms of color choices and shading, and is being rewarded by the voters accordingly (great job Bass, I think this design really works on a number of levels for me)


Thank you, I appreciate the compliment. By the way, were you at Akon this year? I could swear I saw you guys. If it was you, you were at the table I was supposed to be at, but was moved a few down at the last minute. (no biggie, it was great) We were on the other side of the area...there was a big puking cat picture (my friend's pic).

odysseyroc


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bassanimation wrote:About winning...I'd like to explain that I've been unemployed since January. I'm an artist in the gaming industry, but where I am the industry has taken a huge, huge hit. A lot of our big studios closed here. I can't even get underpaid logo work on Craigslist these days. My friend (who also needs money) started to enter the derbys here and told me about them. As someone who hasnt had income in 10 months...yes, winning is on my mind...so I can afford some car payments or my meds, etc, etc, etc. :\

I'm sorry if my motives regarding this entry seem less than noble. I will try harder to submit good stuff that isnt pandery next time. But for me, if pandering means I can approach the fog rather than linger in the dust, I'm ok sacraficing some of my artistic dignity.


I've done the "can't get work" thing myself a few times. I work in comics as a colorist. Two years ago, everything I as worked on got cancelled at once and i went a good 6 months without any work at all and once I did get work, it took a month to get my first check.

I don't think much of the whole pandering thing. As a professional, you're always trying to cater to your client's tastes. When I color comics I like to use a hard airbrush style, some of the pencillers want something else, so I have to be willing to give up what I like, but still do my best to make it rock. You shouldn't have to explain yourself.





KIDA26


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bassanimation wrote:Each designer is here and is standing on their own talent. People may not like Ramby (I'm glad I'm not the only one who spells it like that) but he manages to be successful. As an adult professional...success is good. I just wish more people got a shot around here rather than the same folks. But hey, if I was one of those same folks, I would be very happy.


Yeah I feel that. I just felt like being a jerk :P. Plus, pupkin tiger isn't even a Ramby design (I don't think). I still find the parody of this shirt hilarious. I would much rather rock a shirt with an alien thingy coming out of a cute cat's head than a cat coming out of a pumpkin's head. But I might be a bit twisted. G'night!

bethlehemstarr


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bassanimation wrote:Thanks bethlehemstarr..your post was like chicken soup for the art soul . I sincerely appreciate it (virtuahug). These derbys are rough on me, and it is definately discouraging when you do your best, only to founder. It makes one sort of wander to that dark area where they do not dare go on their own (in this case, adorable cats). I'm just trying to find out what it takes to move up here. My last entry that did well was an exploding bear for God's sake. I mean...what does one even do with the knowledge that -that- is what did the best out of all their work? LOL!


:-) No problem. I know that it must be easy to get bogged down in negativity. And when things aren't going right, then it's just easier to see how things are wrong.
You submitted two *really* solid designs in this derby.
In the Hunger derby, your design was very different from either of these- in nearly every way. (I voted for it - and was disappointed that it did not take off)
In the National Parks derby, I thought your Bearscout design was extremely humorous, would have looked great on a shirt, and was really well drawn. (I also voted for this one, and was sad that it didn't win, as both my son and I loved it- and he made me pinky swear that we would each get one and go on his class field-trip matching..... He's still mad at me ;-) )
I just looked at your 'Cooking' one now, and do think that it would have looked nice on a shirt (I missed voting in that derby, so can't say what might have been).

Your shirts have garnered more and more support each derby. I think that you will print very shortly.
I'd love to see you shop around some of your designs that did not print here. (specifically Basket of Hope and Bearscout)

Everyone needs a hug sometimes, even if it's just a virtual one.

If you keep submitting solid designs, you can count on getting solid votes. And I can promise at least one vote, and at least one shirt sold if you print.

Ya gots talent! ;-)

AdderXYU


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bassanimation wrote:Yeah, sorry to lay it out there for everyone, but that's the truth of it :\. As fun as the drawing part is...staying up all night to submit isnt fun, but this is as close to a job as I have right now.

Also, first and foremost, this place is a business. We are here to provide a product to sell, so we're kind of 'employees' in a way. When you have a boss, you do what pleases them and their customers. Here, it seems the customer likes the shiny, cute, or fanciful. It's in my nature to try and please the boss/customer, especially if it means my wage is on the line. -sweat-


This continues to be an ignorant argument.

MANY BUSINESSES exist to sell quality. Just because you can't wrap your head around that doesn't mean you are right.

I can accept this piece because it's so blatantly parodic. But seriously, if your only purpose here is to make an easy grand, the art world is better off without you. It's pathetic to me that people are letting you off that comment so easily. Yeah, it's nice to win, and boohoo, you don't have a job, but that's no reason to waste any shred of respect immediately here. No real artist values a grand more than that respect.

This is a design contest. The best shirts should win. Like how in a sport contest, the best team should win. Or how in a random draw contest, anyone trying to make there be more chance of them winning would be DQ'd. This is not your job. Every single wooter is a "client". You can do what you always do and find those "clients". Seeking out the same dullard base as everyone else makes you a panderer at best. Did you sit around as a kid dreaming of the day you'd get to design what everyone else wanted for cash and let your actual creativity atrophy for the almighty dollar? You can't gloss it over any other way... if you are only in it for the money, you don't deserve any respect. It's about love and respect for your work.

sonny2009


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bassanimation wrote:But for me, if pandering means I can approach the fog rather than linger in the dust, I'm ok sacraficing some of my artistic dignity.


I had a feeling that was the deal.
I guess I can commend you for your honestly at least.

debonairlove


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


snaggle tooth kitten from terrific Wisconsin in my heart!

bassanimation


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AdderXYU wrote:You can't gloss it over any other way... if you are only in it for the money, you don't deserve any respect. It's about love and respect for your work.


We'll see how you feel about that when you have people you take care of in your life.

bassanimation


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sonny2009 wrote:I had a feeling that was the deal.
I guess I can commend you for your honestly at least.


-shrugg- I'm not here because Woot is a museum dedicated to fine art. If you're tired of artists pandering, then perhaps your issue should be with those who insist upon such designs. Designs which win this competition regularly. It is not the fault of the artists when it is the audience that demands these types of things.

Besides, this late in the derby, the fog is pretty set. No harm in having a little fun down in the pits :D Try to enjoy it just for the humor? Which is what it was inteded for.

bassanimation


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odysseyroc wrote:I've done the "can't get work" thing myself a few times. I work in comics as a colorist. Two years ago, everything I as worked on got cancelled at once and i went a good 6 months without any work at all and once I did get work, it took a month to get my first check.

I don't think much of the whole pandering thing. As a professional, you're always trying to cater to your client's tastes. When I color comics I like to use a hard airbrush style, some of the pencillers want something else, so I have to be willing to give up what I like, but still do my best to make it rock. You shouldn't have to explain yourself.


I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. It seems comic folks get really burned quite a bit. I know people in comics and it seems like it's always a struggle for them. Best wishes for you!

I wouldn't have to explain myself if everyone here was a working commercial artist, or at least people who do commisions, etc. Giving the customer what they want is all that matters in the working world of art. When rent is due, what is more important: Your pride, or the roof over your head? Most of us go into our fields of choice because we love it, but in the end, it's still a job, and you still have a boss. :\ Alot of people forget that. Growing up is hard.

bassanimation


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bethlehemstarr wrote::-) No problem. I know that it must be easy to get bogged down in negativity.

Ya gots talent! ;-)


Thanks once again, hahaha. After reading the dreaded-but-to-be-expected Adder post, you uplift me once more!

If none of these designs print, I'll probably still offer them as prints for sale on my site as soon as Woot lets the rights go. When I get a job, I actually would like to print stuff myself. We'll see how that goes. We do a lot of conventions, so we'd definately have an outlet for them.

Next derby, I promise no pandering, hahaha. I'm gettin' my anus broiled for it just this one time. I feel bad for Ramby now..sheeesh. -hides from the horrors- I'm very glad most of the people here have paid attention to my other subs though, and they do see that I generally don't submit kawaii desu. I just draw whatever and hope it sticks. This was just a one-time thing, I couldnt help myself.

PS: I'm glad you liked the Bearscout! I loved that one. I want to fix it up a lot and perhaps resub it to another venue, or print it myself. ^_~

AdderXYU


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bassanimation wrote:We'll see how you feel about that when you have people you take care of in your life.


Were I an artist needing to take care of people, I would take a job.

Yknow, those things where you work for some pretzel twist and make money off something you don't care about and then come home and enjoy your family and channel that monotony into your art.

Yes, I know, the economy leaps into the vacuum. I believe it, and sympathize. But this is not a job. If you are treating it as such, you are doing it wrong. Only very few artists get to make a living off their work on their own terms. You can either accept this early and keep your art as an escape, created for the love of creation and not for a desperate grab at a grand, or you can never accept it and never elevate your art, because all you're doing is trying to cater to clients who don't really exist.

More power to artists who have a REAL ART JOB. But this is a shirt contest. You are relying on other people to like your work enough to print. You aren't doing client work... you're doing spec work. And as such, you should be catering to YOU, because if you lose this derby, and submit your panders elsewhere, where quality is higher than woot, you will only do worse. Unless you want to be unemployed with a recent portfolio full of nothing but shine. That'll REALLY get the offers going.

I can sympathize with your lack of funds. I think most people have been there. But if you are bastardizing your art for the sake of a buck, you never really cared about it to begin with.

Think about it as an artist. If someone else was competing for a "job" against you, and using questionable tactics to manipulate a market, would you really throw away your own ethics just to fight fire with fire, or would you do anything you could to make sure that sort of work never succeeded again. Art is in dire straits if we all looked at it as something simply to profit from.

laurafoy


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


I can't say that this particular shirt is to my taste, but I have been enjoying your entries. I'm hoping for the Extreme Bear shirt to print in the double take derby! I voted for your Dogcatcher submission as well, but I happened to be reading this thread so I thought I'd comment here. I think it's nice that you're keeping on top of the comments in the thread, kind and not so kind.

bassanimation


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laurafoy wrote:I can't say that this particular shirt is to my taste, but I have been enjoying your entries. I'm hoping for the Extreme Bear shirt to print in the double take derby! I voted for your Dogcatcher submission as well, but I happened to be reading this thread so I thought I'd comment here. I think it's nice that you're keeping on top of the comments in the thread, kind and not so kind.


Thanks for supporting the Bear! That is going to be my legend I think. My tombstone will have that emblazoned on it, hahhaha. That one was definately supposed to be very general, something anyone could wear...unlike this cat... ^^; Glad you liked the Dogcatcher too. I worked so hard on that thing..in Photoshop no less..grar!! I likes Illustrator much more.

snarkygal


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bassanimation wrote:-shrugg- I'm not here because Woot is a museum dedicated to fine art. If you're tired of artists pandering, then perhaps your issue should be with those who insist upon such designs. Designs which win this competition regularly. It is not the fault of the artists when it is the audience that demands these types of things.

Besides, this late in the derby, the fog is pretty set. No harm in having a little fun down in the pits :D Try to enjoy it just for the humor? Which is what it was inteded for.


Nobody is insisting on pandering designs. If artists didn't put them up, maybe the quality art would win more often.

smileyfaceman


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


I like it. At first I was afraid it wouldn't work outside of the context of this derby's drama, but on second glance I think the message of somekind of horrifying brain parasite controlling a kitty for the purpose of obtaining sugary treats is pretty universally understood.

beso0282


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


This is very cute, despite the gore. It made me chuckle. GMV

Everything is art.

marycatherine84


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bassanimation wrote:I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. It seems comic folks get really burned quite a bit. I know people in comics and it seems like it's always a struggle for them. Best wishes for you!

I wouldn't have to explain myself if everyone here was a working commercial artist, or at least people who do commisions, etc. Giving the customer what they want is all that matters in the working world of art. When rent is due, what is more important: Your pride, or the roof over your head? Most of us go into our fields of choice because we love it, but in the end, it's still a job, and you still have a boss. :\ Alot of people forget that. Growing up is hard.


I bolded the truest part. You have to play what the audience wants to hear. It would be nice if you could just do what you wanted to do 100% of the time, but that's not how life works. It doesn't mean you can't do your own thing, but sometimes you do what you do to make a buck. I don't care if you cater to your clients. No one has to buy it just 'cause it's on woot for a day, y'know? Stop whining folks.

I don't mean to spite fellow wooters or invoke the wrath of AdderXYU, but I'm not sure why he has so much street cred around here. I feel like he's not actually reading the full text, or at least he isn't responding to the full text of the comments made by the artist. You've seen bass's other entries; they're not all cutsey anime scaffolding. bass has some talent. She said herself that this was a one-time thing. Lighten up. At least it's not a stupid kitten/tiger coming out of a pumpkin - a shirt that has been printed many times over.

genericsmith


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AdderXYU wrote:Were I an artist needing to take care of people, I would take a job.

Yknow, those things where you work for some pretzel twist and make money off something you don't care about and then come home and enjoy your family and channel that monotony into your art.


So basically you're telling her "Tough... Go work at McDonalds"? While I agree a part time job might be in order, I don't see any particular problem with attempting to do this to make a bit of change on the side.

I hate to argue with you since I usually agree with your opinions... but I think you're going a little overboard on B.A. It's not like she turns out low quality work week after week JUST to get money. I think all of her entries have been pretty great, but if she does a shirt that she thinks will do well I don't think any less of her.

If you're interviewing to paint the Sistine Chapel are you going to go in like "Hmmm... I think I'll pitch them something God related" or "Monkeys... they need MONKEYS!"...? Designing based on your audience isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Munchy Attack If you can find the name of this artist & real song title I'll buy you a daily woot shirt (your choice what day)

Dystopia Dark Lager, Where the Wild Parties at?, B.A. Bearacus, and many more wanted in XXL(PLEASE!!!)
Edgar Allen Poe shall remained headlock'd until Nevermore is reckoned.

PixelPotato


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


Great job and the colors really pop :o

marycatherine84


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Stercrazy wrote:As a professional artist, I find this quote both naive and offensive. Doing art in a style that your audience wants is not using questionable tactics. It's fairly common and even expected and encouraged to tailor your resume and portfolio to clients that you are trying to get a job from. I haven't seen any evidence of anyone "manipulating the market". They put up pieces they think people will like, and they either do well or they don't. If they do well, then obviously they did it right.

It's stupid to blame your customers for not liking what you do. If I had a car dealership that only sold yellow Volvos, I wouldn't get to sit there and say that people are stupid for not buying my yellow Volvos. If somebody comes onto the lot wanting a blue civic, it would be a waste of both of our time to berate them for their foolishness and to extol the virtues of yellow Volvos.

This notion of "artistic integrity" is all well and good until you get out in the real world. People like what they like. You may consider this pandering, but I know for a fact that it originated as parody. The fact that it is standing on its own merits shows that OBVIOUSLY somebody must be digging it.

As for doing "anything you could to make sure that sort of work never succeeded again"... unless you plan on insulting and driving away EVERYONE who either does the stuff you dislike or votes for the stuff you dislike, the current status quo is going to remain. My suggestion is lighten up and get over it. Attacking people for doing artwork in a particular style is counter-productive.


I'm not an artist, but +1!!!

I can't just apply for jobs with a standard resume. I have to tailor it for the job I'm applying for. End of story. That's how it works.

genericsmith


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


Well... I think we all got that out of our systems.

Now back to the original subject of how awesome Bassanimation & this design is.

Munchy Attack If you can find the name of this artist & real song title I'll buy you a daily woot shirt (your choice what day)

Dystopia Dark Lager, Where the Wild Parties at?, B.A. Bearacus, and many more wanted in XXL(PLEASE!!!)
Edgar Allen Poe shall remained headlock'd until Nevermore is reckoned.

HalfWheat


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


I still think it's cute, and while it might be in response to the hoopla about another shirt, the idea stands on its own. And if I was going to wear a shirt with a character like that, this is how I'd want it to look.

As far as the pandering thing, I think there's a big difference between playing around with different styles to see what works and going the whole "selling your soul" thing to make a buck. If you don't have a little soul/fun/love/personality in your work, it will show. It will work against you in a derby like this. And it will make you hate what you do.

I completely understand the idea that you have to please your bosses and your customers, but if that's ALL you're doing, then you're no longer an artist, you're just a technician. Which is fine if your day job is to draw diagrams for industrial manuals. That doesn't need to be art, it just needs to be correct.

There are plenty of artists who do drudge work during the day because it pays the bills, and let their creativity out in other venues, where they can put themselves into the work. Like these derbies.

Anyway, I think what you've done here is fine, if you're just playing with styles that are outside your usual comfort zone. That's not pandering, in my book.

JesseBYAH


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


Wow... this thread has uh... gotten a little out of hand...

Back to the design: I like it a lot. It's sick. I totally dig it. Bass, you're one of my favorite new artists that I've seen submitting here. Good luck

Oh- and I frickin NEED your Extreme Bear from the national parks derby. That better get some recognition in the double take!

bassanimation


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


Hi guys,

after the yellow dook storms that have taken over here I decided to just not read anymore comments ^^;. Typing kills my hands, and I've pretty much said what I think I can say in defense of myself, and this cat image. It began as a joke, but by some stroke of luck it ended up being kinda cute and has been able to stand on it's own. Yay for Seymore the Spidermonster and his kawaii cat suit!

What I do want to say though, is a giant THANK YOU to everyone who's left nice comments, or come to battle on my behalf. Reading the nice comments is keeping me going and willing to try the derbys again. I may take a break after this one, as my body is just a ball of pain right now, but I'll definately try my best in the future.

Also, I have a newfound sense of empathy for some artists on this website who come under attack frequently. It is not fun....

Enjoy the remainder of the derby!

bassanimation


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KillerRamen wrote:Good luck with that. With unemployment at around 50% for the young, the only ones who seem to be hiring young people is the military. [Unless you are working on a JD like me... Then it's really hard to get hired by the military. Trust me, I'm trying.] The pretzel places are more likely to hire the 30 year old stay at home mom with the college degree or the 40 year old laid off construction worker with an excellent work ethic.

When you get out of your fantasy world and join us on the planet earth, then maybe your perspective on life will change.

Your artist utopia does not exist, nor can it ever exist. People buy what they like, not what you tell them they should like.



Thank you, thank you SO SO much for posting this. I know I said I didnt read stuff, but I did a scan, and this is a great post. I appreciate your injection of reality here. Most of us live in the real world, but the internet is full of people who don't. :\

LaceyPierson


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bassanimation wrote:I'm in ur kitteh...trikin ur treats..


LOL...

dijin


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


If it's down to this design or the cat in the pumpkin one, I would pick this one. Definitely better.

AllyCatIvy


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.

This shirt is absolutely adorable- Kities, spiders, candycorn and it's got half tones... Keep up the great spooky work! If you win it I will buy 2.

smileyfaceman


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AdderXYU wrote:There's a thread in WoSW. We're apparently not supposed to talk about this where it is germane to the discussion.

But yes, there is a huge difference between client work and pandering. But I still believe that if you are only being fulfilled financially, it is dead art... which is to say, it is as much art as a corpse is a person.


Bigot.
Zombies are people too!

sittle


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[quote postid="3515891" user="AdderXYU"]
You cannot be an artist of any sort and have that be your job unless your work resonates with people. Otherwise you're just a gopher... just someone people demand work of and you create. You are a designer at best, but not the best designer. Just someone else's design slave. If that is what you respect, so be it. But you're wrong./quote]

It's a shame, there were a number of well worded posts that responded to the above dictum of Lord Adder...

In a nutshell the posts pointed out the above is not always the case. Just because you do design work for someone else has no bearing on how good you are or are not. It doesn't make your art more or less art.

If poor Adder was less of a Monday Morning Art critic and more of a creative himself, perhaps he would understand...

It's a shame that this thread was so heavily edited yesterday evening... It would have been nice to have one Woot thread not completely infected with Adder-speak.

consanguineous


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


I really wish this would fog. Hilarious and the only shirt in the derby I would buy. Love the shirt. Hope to be buying one of your shirts soon. I have enjoyed all of your submissions so far.

marycatherine84


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sittle wrote:
It's a shame, there were a number of well worded posts that responded to the above dictum of Lord Adder...

In a nutshell the posts pointed out the above is not always the case. Just because you do design work for someone else has no bearing on how good you are or are not. It doesn't make your art more or less art.

If poor Adder was less of a Monday Morning Art critic and more of a creative himself, perhaps he would understand...

It's a shame that this thread was so heavily edited yesterday evening... It would have been nice to have one Woot thread not completely infected with Adder-speak.


I'm kinda sorry I missed out last night
I'm with you sittle. I'm still a bit of a forum noob on woot, but I seriously don't get Adder's reputation around here. Looks like his logic is fairly flawed most of the time. Also seems unfounded. He picks at the most insignificant things and makes a big deal out of them - like yelling "PANDERER" is really going to stop anyone from pandering anyway.

I'd also like to vouch for the fact that recent college grads are having a horrible time finding jobs. They have no experience for the most part and they're definitely over qualified for burger-flipping jobs.

And I know I haven't stated it before, but I'm not a fan at all of cutsey anime (or any other anime), so I wouldn't get this shirt. To each his own, though. If it got a selling spot, I'd just wait 'til the next day.

sittle


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marycatherine84 wrote:I'm kinda sorry I missed out last night
I'm with you sittle. I'm still a bit of a forum noob on woot, but I seriously don't get Adder's reputation around here. Looks like his logic is fairly flawed most of the time. Also seems unfounded. He picks at the most insignificant things and makes a big deal out of them - like yelling "PANDERER" is really going to stop anyone from pandering anyway.

I'd also like to vouch for the fact that recent college grads are having a horrible time finding jobs. They have no experience for the most part and they're definitely over qualified for burger-flipping jobs.

And I know I haven't stated it before, but I'm not a fan at all of cutsey anime (or any other anime), so I wouldn't get this shirt. To each his own, though. If it got a selling spot, I'd just wait 'til the next day.


It is rough when you first leave art school I remember it fondly, a lot of my classmates don't even work in a related field. I got lucky.

As Cursive says "Art is hard"... It is, a lot of talented people are introverts and it's really hard for them to deal with such a public and exposing profession...

I'm glad Bassanimation has done what she has done, I've seen her site and this isn't far off the beaten path, and even if it was, it doesn't really matter..

The design stands on its own merit : Good concept, well drawn (shadow, colour, weight etc), good use of the dance floor.

It's not my cup of tea, but for 10 bucks, I wouldn't think twice about ordering one for me and an extra for someone else!

With regards to the Adder logic, I agree with you... I've said what I've about the matter, and unfortunately, we are gonna here more about it!

Bass... Keep up the good work lady! Just do your thing!

bassanimation


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sittle wrote:Artistry according to Halfwheat: "I completely understand the idea that you have to please your bosses and your customers, but if that's ALL you're doing, then you're no longer an artist, you're just a technician."



LOL, this is one of the best quotes of all time. I'll have to forward it on to my industry friends so that they realize that they aren't artists.....just really well paid, happy technicians who are fortunate enough to make a living by using the gifts they've been given.

The derbys would be a lot more enjoyable without a few people around here...but unless Woot feels like being that generous, we're stuck with them. Meanwhile, each artist here must live in fear that their submission for the week will be hounded by the White Knight & Co.

sittle


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bassanimation wrote:LOL, this is one of the best quotes of all time. I'll have to forward it on to my industry friends so that they realize that they aren't artists.....just really well paid, happy technicians who are fortunate enough to make a living by using the gifts they've been given.

The derbys would be a lot more enjoyable without a few people around here...but unless Woot feels like being that generous, we're stuck with them. Meanwhile, each artist here must live in fear that their submission for the week will be hounded by the White Knight & Co.


White Knight and Co!! HA HA!!

I loved Half Wheats words of wisdom... It's always good to hear a non-creative tell you how it is and how it's gonna be!... That's why it made my signature...

In all honesty, just keep up the good work, let your haters' be your motivators! HA HA!!

I hope you get a good pile more votes, I'd love to have this shirt... It's purrrfect for Halloween!! HA HA!!

HalfWheat


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bassanimation wrote:LOL, this is one of the best quotes of all time. I'll have to forward it on to my industry friends so that they realize that they aren't artists.....just really well paid, happy technicians who are fortunate enough to make a living by using the gifts they've been given.

The derbys would be a lot more enjoyable without a few people around here...but unless Woot feels like being that generous, we're stuck with them. Meanwhile, each artist here must live in fear that their submission for the week will be hounded by the White Knight & Co.


Taken out of context, that doesn't mean what I intended. Because, as I explained in a comment that has since been deleted, I have worked in those "technician" jobs. Where you're doing the thing that you love, but you have to follow the rigid rules of the job and there's no room for creativity.

Imagine if you went to school to become a pastry chef, but to pay the bills you're manning the ovens at the Twinkie factory. You can say that you're a baker, but you're not the baker you want to be. Or you went to journalism school and you're typing the obits for the local newspaper. Or you're an artist, and your entire workday consists of resizing existing photos to x pixels by y pixels. Those are the sorts of jobs I'm talking about. Where there's no creativity allowed.

And I'm not saying those are bad or demeaning jobs, because we all have to pay the bills. But if all you do is type in the obits, it would be a pretty far stretch to call yourself a published writer.

sittle


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HalfWheat wrote:Taken out of context, that doesn't mean what I intended. Because, as I explained in a comment that has since been deleted, I have worked in those "technician" jobs. Where you're doing the thing that you love, but you have to follow the rigid rules of the job and there's no room for creativity.

Imagine if you went to school to become a pastry chef, but to pay the bills you're manning the ovens at the Twinkie factory. You can say that you're a baker, but you're not the baker you want to be. Or you went to journalism school and you're typing the obits for the local newspaper. Or you're an artist, and your entire workday consists of resizing existing photos to x pixels by y pixels. Those are the sorts of jobs I'm talking about. Where there's no creativity allowed.

And I'm not saying those are bad or demeaning jobs, because we all have to pay the bills. But if all you do is type in the obits, it would be a pretty far stretch to call yourself a published writer.


Oh, that quote isn't out of context... That's exactly what you were talking 'bout...

bassanimation


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sittle wrote:White Knight and Co!! HA HA!!

I loved Half Wheats words of wisdom... It's always good to hear a non-creative tell you how it is and how it's gonna be!... That's why it made my signature...


Everyone has a right to critique or voice their opinions. It's when people state their opinions as facts that I have a problem.

And yes, hearing words such as Wheat's or Adder's when they do not work in the same industry professionally, I just have to cast it to the wind. It's easy for someone who's never walked in your shoes to cast judgement, or pretend to know how your world works. Words like "pandering" are the mark of someone who doesnt know what it's like to be successful at what you do (in a matter of creativity and the like). I mean for God's sake...this is an obscure tshirt site. If this is really where these guys expect to find "true and pure" art, then I weep for the art world...yikes. It's a tshirt site, not the Louvre.

If I had really wanted to pander here, I'd have drawn a kitten with a witch hat on, playing with a pumpkin-shaped ball. Instead I drew a strange, evil looking, silly thing with blood and monsters that I added some animu eyes to in order to prod (jokingly so) the masses. I still did it the way I wanted, I just added a little bit for them too. :D There is a large grey area that people seem to miss. You can make stuff that people will like without completely sacraficing yourself. The cat is the perfect way I can illustrate that in this instance.

We also do a lot of anime cons (my friend and I, who's also here), where we see a loooooot of people who sacrafice every bit of themselves just to rake in the cash. They do the same type of artwork, it's all fanart, kawaii stuff, and sell it en masse. We observe it, sure, and we discuss why it sells because we would also like to be a success. But, we don't follow the same model...by far in fact. We do note, that "Hey, cute stuff seems to be in, we should do some cute animals or something." "Ok, but I'm still drawing some crazy scary stuff with it." See? This is how we do things there, and it's also how we do things here. Try a little of this, a little of that, see what sticks. :\ Wanting to be successful is not wrong.

ressamac


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bassanimation wrote:Everyone has a right to critique or voice their opinions. It's when people state their opinions as facts that I have a problem.

... Wanting to be successful is not wrong.


Love the design, Bass. Love your sense of humor and your patience. Most of all love that you love Illustrator best. ;) GMV.

DirkDDarring


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HalfWheat wrote:
And I'm not saying those are bad or demeaning jobs, because we all have to pay the bills.


As the message states, it's better to be a production artist than a starving one. As I have been in the screen printing industry doing college and resort jobs now for almost 20 years there is more to it than just fullblock vertical arches. I think most of the people on here have great talent but put in the real world where they have to create what the customer wants is more restrictive than Woot. We have dead lines and restrictions on everything from the backers, halftone dot sizes to even the screen mesh we suggest. You may be able to create a magnificent design but when it gets to screens it's a nightmare. I've seen some of the printed shirts from Woot (the flying penguin comes to mind) and I was more impressed with the jpg than the actual shirt they lose allot in translation. Stop complaining, Woot has given us a chance to show our talents, the people who buy from Woot vote on what they like. If all you want to do is win look back at past winners and adjust your art to match. If you want to show your creative skills then just have fun and hope for the best. However if you think you are the best artist alive, get a heat press and sell your own stuff. Stop gripping Woot doesn't have to keep this going they could hire artists and just create their own stuff, I'm sure there are folks over in China that could do this for allot less and not wine. That's where the first company I worked for sent my job. God bless NAFT.

Michael Irwin
Graphic artist
www.wix.com/idforu/idforu

KillerRamen


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paramecium10 wrote:Are you just making stats up? According to the government stats, teen unemployment is at 25%, not 50%. And I promise you, a teenager that wants to work can get a job at any fast food chain in the nation. Why? Because there's always such a high turnover rate of people that work in these jobs. Maybe the problem isn't the economy, or that Burger King wants to hire only unemployed physics professors...


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/the_dead_end_kids_AnwaWNOGqsXMuIlGONNX1K

Maybe they're wrong (technically they said "young Americans without a job" and unemployment only counts those who haven't given up), but it was a big story. I have friends who have been looking for a job for years. (One of my friends from college just got a job. He graduated in 2007.)

...That was true at one time, but fast food chains are hiring more unemployed older people.

HalfWheat


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bassanimation wrote:.


check your pms

bassanimation


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Re: I'm in ur kitteh.


Oh DUDE, I didnt even know you could pm someone here! I feel like a dolt... I have 12 messages... I'll read them and get back to people in just a bit, so sorry if anyone thought I was ignoring them! I literally had no idea pms were possible here, or where to locate them until now. @_@~~

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[quote postid="3517040" user="sittle"]
I loved Half Wheats words of wisdom... It's always good to hear a non-creative tell you how it is and how it's gonna be!... That's why it made my signature... quote]


non-creative??? Seriously? Is that a new subdivision of person?

I'd like to point out that if it weren't for all of us "non-creatives" spending money on your art, you would be right next to the soccermoms and teenagers flipping burgers.

If you haven't read Dr. Seuss' "The Sneeches", you should.

Oh, how us non-creatives wish we had stars upon ours!

bassanimation


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Johndis5 wrote:I'd like to point out that if it weren't for all of us "non-creatives" spending money on your art, you would be right next to the soccermoms and teenagers flipping burgers.


I'd like to counterpoint that we art folk are here to provide this work, hoping you, the customers and "non creatives" like it. When we deal with people like Adder, who attack us for basically giving you what we think you want (by seeing what people vote on the most, of course), it makes it very hard for us to keep a straight head and continue our arting. Just a counter view is all.

I was talking to my friend today, and something I have forgotten to post came up. What artists love more than money for our work, is recognition. We love it when people really, honestly -like- our work. For those here who are trying to win, yes the money is a prime factor...but what really motivates me is when people come out and say they really dig my efforts. When I work for someone at a job, it means way more to me to get a pat on the back and a thumbs up than it does to make a huge paycheck. I learned the hard way that money does not buy happiness. I would much rather people LIKE my work (and me, if possible) than get paid. It makes me feel very proud, and that I'm not just spinning my tires on this planet while nobody looks.

Just wanted to make that clear ^_^. The prize would be great to win, but would really be great, is to know that many people liked my work enough to lay down their hard earned cash for it. That's awesome!!1!

imsochady


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bassanimation wrote:Oh DUDE, I didnt even know you could pm someone here! I feel like a dolt... I have 12 messages... I'll read them and get back to people in just a bit, so sorry if anyone thought I was ignoring them! I literally had no idea pms were possible here, or where to locate them until now. @_@~~


Hahaha, this happened to me too! They sure make them very subtle.

bluetuba


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This whole thread is pretty amusing, alot of people probably voted for this thinking it was a criticism of Seki's resubmission or a protest like many of the others. Then it turns out that the artist is actually quite similar to the wonder twins in a few ways. He's a convention attending "anime artist" and considers the derby a job in which he'll submit anything it takes to rake in the mass appeal votes to win that 1k bucks.

I think having intelligent critics like Adder around is a good thing, if people can't take a little heat and defend their work they will never improve. Of course, improving your work is a sign of an artist.. not people just drawing anime bunnies for dollars.

AdderXYU


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bassanimation wrote:I'd like to counterpoint that we art folk are here to provide this work, hoping you, the customers and "non creatives" like it. When we deal with people like Adder, who attack us for basically giving you what we think you want (by seeing what people vote on the most, of course), it makes it very hard for us to keep a straight head and continue our arting. Just a counter view is all.


I think what you are ignorantly assuming is that people care that you're giving them what they want.

If you are giving people what you think they want only, you will become only product. If you give people something honest and personal that reflects yourself more than a desire to make a grand, people WILL care who you are.

There are many, many people that want you to give them you. And when you deal with people like me by brushing it off as nothing more than noise, you alienate those people. The masses will ignore you if you're not giving them exactly what they want. An actual fanbase, built off actual artistry, will be far more loyal.

All this is going to say that it is completely possible that the person you are counterpointing doesn't give a damn that you're trying to cater to him or her. They might just want you to create something awesome, money and success be damned. There are actually many people who desire that from their creative minds.

I was talking to my friend today, and something I have forgotten to post came up. What artists love more than money for our work, is recognition. We love it when people really, honestly -like- our work. For those here who are trying to win, yes the money is a prime factor...but what really motivates me is when people come out and say they really dig my efforts. When I work for someone at a job, it means way more to me to get a pat on the back and a thumbs up than it does to make a huge paycheck. I learned the hard way that money does not buy happiness. I would much rather people LIKE my work (and me, if possible) than get paid. It makes me feel very proud, and that I'm not just spinning my tires on this planet while nobody looks.

Just wanted to make that clear ^_^. The prize would be great to win, but would really be great, is to know that many people liked my work enough to lay down their hard earned cash for it. That's awesome!!1!


This is pretty much directly counter what you said before, of course, but I'll ignore that for the moment.

Every designer wants to be recognized and appreciated. However, have you ever met a person who only wants approval? A grating, almost slimy person who is so desperate for the approval of everyone that they exude that desperation? That is what catering to the masses is. You're begging for recognition, instead of being who you are and having people give it to you willingly and unasked.

One honest, pure compliment from someone discerning, who appreciates the work you do for yourself... the most honest pieces... is worth more than a thousand sycophants who only love you for catering to them. Even the coldest, most cynical artistic soul that has long since written off inspiration for the sake of profit can appreciate the truth of that. Everyone wants to be accepted. It is no sign of weakness. Unless you'll go to any length to be accepted, and can't simply rely on who you are for it.

If people appreciating your work is worth so much more than money, you should at least be getting the appreciation that's worth the most.

bluetuba


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bluetuba wrote:This whole thread is pretty amusing, alot of people probably voted for this thinking it was a criticism of Seki's resubmission or a protest like many of the others. Then it turns out that the artist is actually quite similar to the wonder twins in a few ways. He's a convention attending "anime artist" and considers the derby a job in which he'll submit anything it takes to rake in the mass appeal votes to win that 1k bucks.

I think having intelligent critics like Adder around is a good thing, if people can't take a little heat and defend their work they will never improve. Of course, improving your work is a sign of an artist.. not people just drawing anime bunnies for dollars.


Also as an addition I'm not trying to totally scaffolding on you Bass, I liked your X-Treme bear shirt in the National Parks derby, and certainly think you may have creative potential if you try here, but your comments in this thread are disturbing.

If you start cranking out the cute anime shirts in every derby because that's what you think the masses want, and hoping to make money you are going to make alot of enemies. Not to mention Ramyb and Seki are very very good at regurgitating the same "winning" formula over and over and over, it would indeed be hard to pander more successfully than they.

xespera


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AdderXYU wrote:...A lot of stuff...


First, can you let it go already? The artist says she's trying to find out what the crowd likes. At the same time, she's doing what she likes. The two are not mutually exclusive. This is very much in BassAnimation's style and is a unique and interesting image. It's not the cat in a witches hat playing with a pumpkin trying to look as cute as possible. It's a cat with a sawed open head and a monster peeking out from where brains should be, with blood dripping down the head.

You know, you complain that people brush you off, yet the first sentence in each of your posts here was condescending or directly insulting. You come off as a troll who is complaining only to hear your own voice, and you do the classic "Ignore any part of the thread that you can just to complain more".

You want people to listen? Try being nice for once. Please. You can say the same things in a nicer tone and, gasp, people won't just think of you as an unmitigated jackass who would best be ignored.

If you ARE a troll, feel free to keep insulting people, but you can't do that and go "Boo hoo" when people brush you off. These internets have been around a long time now and people can smell your ilk from a ways away.

If you're not a troll, if you're really this socially inept guy and have no idea that what you're saying makes you sound rude, belligerent, and self absorbed, then I am so so sorry for you.

marycatherine84


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xespera wrote:First, can you let it go already? The artist says she's trying to find out what the crowd likes. At the same time, she's doing what she likes. The two are not mutually exclusive. This is very much in BassAnimation's style and is a unique and interesting image. It's not the cat in a witches hat playing with a pumpkin trying to look as cute as possible. It's a cat with a sawed open head and a monster peeking out from where brains should be, with blood dripping down the head.

You know, you complain that people brush you off, yet the first sentence in each of your posts here was condescending or directly insulting. You come off as a troll who is complaining only to hear your own voice, and you do the classic "Ignore any part of the thread that you can just to complain more".

You want people to listen? Try being nice for once. Please. You can say the same things in a nicer tone and, gasp, people won't just think of you as an unmitigated jackass who would best be ignored.

If you ARE a troll, feel free to keep insulting people, but you can't do that and go "Boo hoo" when people brush you off. These internets have been around a long time now and people can smell your ilk from a ways away.

If you're not a troll, if you're really this socially inept guy and have no idea that what you're saying makes you sound rude, belligerent, and self absorbed, then I am so so sorry for you.


+1

smileyfaceman


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xespera wrote:First, can you let it go already? The artist says she's trying to find out what the crowd likes. At the same time, she's doing what she likes. The two are not mutually exclusive. This is very much in BassAnimation's style and is a unique and interesting image. It's not the cat in a witches hat playing with a pumpkin trying to look as cute as possible. It's a cat with a sawed open head and a monster peeking out from where brains should be, with blood dripping down the head.

You know, you complain that people brush you off, yet the first sentence in each of your posts here was condescending or directly insulting. You come off as a troll who is complaining only to hear your own voice, and you do the classic "Ignore any part of the thread that you can just to complain more".

You want people to listen? Try being nice for once. Please. You can say the same things in a nicer tone and, gasp, people won't just think of you as an unmitigated jackass who would best be ignored.

If you ARE a troll, feel free to keep insulting people, but you can't do that and go "Boo hoo" when people brush you off. These internets have been around a long time now and people can smell your ilk from a ways away.

If you're not a troll, if you're really this socially inept guy and have no idea that what you're saying makes you sound rude, belligerent, and self absorbed, then I am so so sorry for you.


+2

If I could start a "slow clap" on the internet I would.

This is a well thought out and intelligent post, which the internets being what they are will be completely ignored.

bassanimation


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bluetuba wrote:Also as an addition I'm not trying to totally scaffolding on you Bass, I liked your X-Treme bear shirt in the National Parks derby, and certainly think you may have creative potential if you try here, but your comments in this thread are disturbing.

If you start cranking out the cute anime shirts in every derby because that's what you think the masses want, and hoping to make money you are going to make alot of enemies. Not to mention Ramyb and Seki are very very good at regurgitating the same "winning" formula over and over and over, it would indeed be hard to pander more successfully than they.


I find it "disturbing" the statement that I "will make enemies" if I draw anime for this tshirt site... I was unaware of the extreme, violent emotions people feel for the style here, it's pretty amazing. I see plenty of things I don't really like here and elsewhere, but I rarely feel the need to go verbally stabbing people over it.. I just move on to the next thing. There's plenty for everyone's tastes.

Also, if you have watched any of my other designs here, you'll note that I have not submitted any anime at all. This was a first for me, and what is most likely the last. If you read any of my posts, you would understand that it was a one-off, but it appears you did not read or fully understand that. I've avoided animu until now strictly because of this type of reception.

As for ramby and seki...pandering is what you call what their art, but obviously people like it. Otherwise they would not have the success they do. Whether that changes or not doesnt concern me. I'm merely pointing out that their success is due to the people who WANT their work, and want it very much, consistently. If you dont like that, I'm sorry but it's tough. There are other shirt sites out there with work on it that you may like more. There's certainly not a lack of non-anime cute stuff out there to buy. I like cute animu, but I also like everything else. I dont want ALL of one or the other.

And, if people are going to hate me now because I stated I would like to win the derby, then I'm sorry about that. I cannot lie and say that I'm here to gallantly flaunt my exploding bear art because it's some kind of fine, new, precious thing. It's just fun. The derbys are fun. I like doing art, I like seeing art, I like talking about art, I like getting paid for art I do. This place has the best of all worlds . (except some of the talking...) The derbys keep me busy and help me outstretch my abilities a bit from my norm.

Anyways, this is the last response I have to any negative feedback from here on out. I have seen that any response I make to messages of ill will only fuel poor behavior, and open me for yet more attacks. It's kind of a nasty cycle, and one that I SPIDERS! GET THEM OFF! to participate in. I'm here to draw and enter, with the hopes that you, the people, will like what I have. If you like my work, awesome. If you don't, there's plenty of good work here to choose from. There is no need to personally insult artists or members. The derby is supposed to be fun for all, so I want to keep it that way...at least for myself.

Thanks to all who commented for me, and wrote me personally. I sincerely appreciate your support, and I will try my best in the future.

bluetuba


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bassanimation wrote:I find it "disturbing" the statement that I "will make enemies" if I draw anime for this tshirt site... I was unaware of the extreme, violent emotions people feel for the style here, it's pretty amazing. I see plenty of things I don't really like here and elsewhere, but I rarely feel the need to go verbally stabbing people over it.. I just move on to the next thing. There's plenty for everyone's tastes.


Seriously, overreact much? I get that you are feeling victimized by people criticizing your words and the chibi animals but "violent" and "stabbing" is ridiculous. An enemy on a tee shirt website is somebody that won't vote for you and might just post on your entries to say mean things. That doesn't make you special, it happens to EVERYBODY! Especially people who draw anime here or spout win at any cost opinions.

I get that you are new and perhaps don't know the ropes yet, shirt.woot isn't a pop-culture cash factory, as other posters have so brilliantly noted in other threads it's proven by the fact that the Derby has rules. Stuff like the weekly Theme, No text, and No video game refs. If all Woot cared about was raking in the masses bucks for crappy tee shirts then they would be perfectly OK with people submitting "I'm with Stupid", cute anime animals, and Mario tee shirts every single week. When a gimmick starts getting too out of hand Woot tends to ban it to encourage creativity.

So no, you should not draw anime every week because that's what you think the masses will pay money for, we've seen your previous entries and we know you can do better than that. Notice Adder and others probably didn't flame you in those other entry posts. You struck a nerve with this knowingly or not, but it's not the end of the world if you don't repeat it over and over.

This week ESPECIALLY because of the Seki pumpkin kitty rejection/recoloring debacle

bassanimation


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bluetuba wrote:Seriously, overreact much? I get that you are feeling victimized by people criticizing your words and the chibi animals but "violent" and "stabbing" is ridiculous. An enemy on a tee shirt website is somebody that won't vote for you and might just post on your entries to say mean things. That doesn't make you special, it happens to EVERYBODY! Especially people who draw anime here or spout win at any cost opinions.

I get that you are new and perhaps don't know the ropes yet, shirt.woot isn't a pop-culture cash factory, as other posters have so brilliantly noted in other threads it's proven by the fact that the Derby has rules. Stuff like the weekly Theme, No text, and No video game refs. If all Woot cared about was raking in the masses bucks for crappy tee shirts then they would be perfectly OK with people submitting "I'm with Stupid", cute anime animals, and Mario tee shirts every single week. When a gimmick starts getting too out of hand Woot tends to ban it to encourage creativity.

So no, you should not draw anime every week because that's what you think the masses will pay money for, we've seen your previous entries and we know you can do better than that. Notice Adder and others probably didn't flame you in those other entry posts. You struck a nerve with this knowingly or not, but it's not the end of the world if you don't repeat it over and over.

This week ESPECIALLY because of the Seki pumpkin kitty rejection/recoloring debacle


You never do take me up on my offer to PM me with your thoughts ^_~. I guess it's easier for you out here, and also gets you kudos from your friends!

Balloons!

bluetuba


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bassanimation wrote:You never do take me up on my offer to PM me with your thoughts ^_~. I guess it's easier for you out here, and also gets you kudos from your friends!

Balloons!


My thoughts are all right there. I have no desire to lecture you in private or anywhere else frankly, you'll notice this is one of the only threads I've given you guff in, and it's a direct result of the aforementioned comments by you. I'm not doing this for attention, and there are no kudos, I have no friends here. I've been a lurker for years and my comments are generally praise for shirts I like.

Congrats on the Honorable Mention by the way, I hope your early success doesn't prevent you from growing up a little on the boards.

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