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Decided to reimagine this idea from a previous derby. Hope you like. The last one is a wireless mouse. ;) He's a little shocked about his tail situation.

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I've seen stuff like this before.

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I swear I've seen this before...

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Good GOD....I must have this... <--huge rodenty fan

As for it being out there..well..this derby is 'visual puns'. This is practically native internet humor. Almost -everything- is out there, trust me. I had a list of 20 things, almost all of which had been done. :\ This is still super, super adorable. I want it, so you GMV.

sekiyoku wrote:Decided to reimagine this idea from a previous derby. Hope you like. The last one is a wireless mouse. ;)

i love that you have a wireless one

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Way to go! I love it.

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I'm sure there are others:

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/computer_mice_tshirt-235507717941756412

gijose wrote:I'm sure there are others:

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/computer_mice_tshirt-235507717941756412

the difference is that link shows computer mice that are acting like real mice. seki's design is real mice that have computer mice features. different enough.

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I think I like this one. It's cute, and it's gone further than just the concept of computer mice.

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I like that the "old" one has a track ball and a cane... took me a minute to catch that... clever

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Yikes, the poor guy on the left's tummy! That doesn't look like it would feel too comfortable.

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made me think of mouse mouse.

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The eyes on the last one really truly creeps me out.

Thanks everyone, glad you noticed the small details (like the cane ) and enjoy the concept. <3

sekiyoku wrote:Decided to reimagine this idea from a previous derby. Hope you like. The last one is a wireless mouse. ;)

I remember the original, actually.

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=28027

I enjoyed the former version, but I like this interpretation of the idea better. Bonus points for the ball mouse having a cane.

Great idea. I love the one wireless mouse. Great work. I'd buy one.

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Love it. Would totally buy this one.


(Countdown until Adder starts complaining for some reason.. 10...9....8...)

I DO like this better than the original incarnation, but I wouldn't dole out money for it.

It's not bad, though.

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I remember this one from the past derby. I was disappointed it never printed. Here's hoping it succeeds this time :D

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What is up right the eyes on the right one. Also, it would probably be more cohesive if the left one looks older.

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Not bad. the concept of Computer mice is very played out. Google it and see...
FYI, Not a seki hater, JMHO.

bryozoan wrote:Love it. Would totally buy this one.


(Countdown until Adder starts complaining for some reason.. 10...9....8...)

Actually, he doesn't need to... because it's basically a remake of her Individualism derby piece (you know, sans the 'bleeding' laser mouse) and it's obvious that others remember it from before. The one in the center even looks damn near the same... except, now it's got a blue laser light and a piece of cheese.

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Totally want one of these

To be honest, even though the concept of Computer Mice as a pun has been used and overused, I'd still get this shirt cause it'd be funny and entertaining to wear. Yep its another unoriginal design, but I like it. Better than a cat in a pumpkin. . .

JadenKale wrote:Actually, he doesn't need to... because it's basically a remake of her Individualism derby piece (you know, sans the 'bleeding' laser mouse) and it's obvious that others remember it from before. The one in the center even looks damn near the same... except, now it's got a blue laser light and a piece of cheese.

It does look very similar but it's missing the big red [rejected] thing on it. I liked it better with that.

dekonstruct wrote:It does look very similar but it's missing the big red [rejected] thing on it. I liked it better with that.

O M G ROFL! BTW Dekon... PM for you...

loveengrey wrote:To be honest, even though the concept of Computer Mice as a pun has been used and overused, I'd still get this shirt cause it'd be funny and entertaining to wear. Yep its another unoriginal design, but I like it. Better than a cat in a pumpkin. . .

::facepalm::
I do hope you realize she's the same artist.


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(forgoing discussion of originality, I'll just confuse myself)

I like how the wireless/tail-less mouse's eyes look like he's electrified hehehehe

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They look more like rats to me than mice, but the anatomy in this design is much improved over your previous computer mouse design, so I'll give you that much.

The wireless mouse is reminding me of the Three Blind Mice nursery rhyme... the one where the farmer's wife cuts off their tails with a carving knife? ;p

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I think I was over the beady-eyed creature designs from you quite a few derbies ago. What else you got?

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I think this will turn out well, not really my thing though. My spidey-sense figures that this will do quite well. It will look good on a shirt.

One question... I don't really get the right (when facing the shirt) mouse's eyes... why are they so glazed looking?

My usual problem with Seki and Ramy art is that so often it's nondescript and lacking any sort of wit or flair. This design isn't as bad as last week's, but it still doesn't contain much charm. It adheres to the rule of being a visual pun, and little more. It simply depicts. At least a dozen designs just outside the fog are wittier and more visually appealing.

bryozoan wrote:Love it. Would totally buy this one.


(Countdown until Adder starts complaining for some reason.. 10...9....8...)

Odds are he'd complain that it's a mediocre design that's currently ahead of some much better designs at the moment.

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Very cute! Now you could add Apple's new magic mouse too.

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Seki, I normally love your shirts, but this sorta thing just isn't my bag, babe, sorry.

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Yawn. How many shirts with almond-headed, beady-eyed creatures do you people need?

Shouldn't the wireless mouse have red laser eyes?

As for the design, I like the use of the tails for the concept and I'm a sucker for techie stuff, but seeing the same style is tiresome. I would enjoy this much better if perhaps it was in a realistic, pen and ink style.

theinfinityloop wrote:

As for the design, I like the use of the tails for the concept and I'm a sucker for techie stuff, but seeing the same style is tiresome. I would enjoy this much better if perhaps it was in a realistic, pen and ink style.

If someone actually did that - did a pen and ink in a realistic style with some thought and effort - I would buy it in a heartbeat.

I don't like the fact that this is a resub of an earlier rejected piece that was slapped down for this derby with little to no effort, especially given the amount of work it's obvious some of the artists have put into their submissions.

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For some reason, this reminds me of Ramby's shirt "You Have to Try This"...

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I don't understand the shadows here. Where is the light source? The shadows of the mice imply that they are illuminated by a light that is overhead and behind them (meaning, toward the wearer), but the light patterns on their skin imply that the light is in front of them (meaning, toward the viewer).

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Ah, but where's the scroll wheel mouse?

The cane's a good touch on the old style mouse.

NameyMcName wrote:Ah, but where's the scroll wheel mouse?

The cane's a good touch on the old style mouse.

They must be the simple standard mac mouse.

SJulian1 wrote:For some reason, this reminds me of Ramby's shirt "You Have to Try This"...

Ehm...not Ramy's. That happens to be Fable's. But I understand that mixup.

theinfinityloop wrote: I would enjoy this much better if perhaps it was in a realistic, pen and ink style.

finally someone give constructive criticism instead of just bashing! I totally agree, pen and ink would be very cool.

I like how the Bluetooth mouse looks shocked that he's tail-less. It's so cute!! >3<

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THOSE are the eyes we "wanted" on the zombie puppy! Go team!

What are those little hairs on the wireless mouse?

Adorable and clever! Great job!

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Wasn't a fan the first time I saw it in a derby, still not a fan this time around.

However, I agree that something should really be done about the glazed over look of the mouse on the right. The look doesn't explain itself on the face.

marzipanapple wrote:Ehm...not Ramy's. That happens to be Fable's. But I understand that mixup.

Ack! Thanks for not tearing me up about that >.<

sittle wrote:...Thank christ on a crutch...

Interestingly, no one is tearing into the posters who've already said what's on adder's mind, certainly not to the extent that they would if adder said it.

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This is... fairly witty. I have to hand it to you, Seki - I rather like this one.

And I'll go out on a limb here - I hope nobody really gets on this for being unoriginal. The subtle details are well crafted - even to the fact that the tails are PS/2 and USB for the ball mouse and optic mouse.

Nice. =)

benjaminleebates wrote:Not bad. the concept of Computer mice is very played out. Google it and see...
FYI, Not a seki hater, JMHO.

Yeah, this is very true, however, almost every idea regarding puns is played out by nature. They are so, so common on the internet. There's numerous photograph contests online for visual puns. There is one that has 14+ pages of visual pun entries. "\ It is nearly impossible to hit on something that is 100% brand new.

I think if the concept exists, that's ok for this contest. It will depend on how appealing and different it is from the existing concept. Also, in this case, these are artist's drawings, so unless they are traced, they are in a way all brand new and unique .

jmmbell1987 wrote:Interestingly, no one is tearing into the posters who've already said what's on adder's mind, certainly not to the extent that they would if adder said it.

Well, Adder only ever says negative things. He's so mean. He never compliments anything, because I look at ALL the entries in the fog, and he never likes them!

I'd give it a couple days. When this rehashed-from-prior-derby, same-style-as-always, overdone-to-overdeath piece is still fogged and deep in the heat on Monday, it'll get much harsher. Right now there's still the hope someone will find a reason for it to be rejected, like this mediocrity deserves.

shutts67 wrote:I swear I've seen this before...

http://johnsu.deviantart.com/art/Optimal-Mouse-76752085 is what I thought it was

I don't want to be a jerk and spread any negativity, but this is exactly the part I dislike the woot derby most. People just pick mediocre designs (not about the technique, the illustration is superb without doubt) that have
cute little animals. I mean come on the joke on computer mice is getting a little bit tooooooold. What do you expect when people see you wearing this? "haha cute" and then what?

People should support fresh ideas, so long they are executed well. Situation like this is unfair to the thinkers and eventually leads to the death of the derby.

I think people should support shirts that they want to buy and wear. At least that's what the Button says. The last thing the derby needs are people that vote for shirts that they wouldn't actually buy. Of course there are lots of shirts with better ideas and/or better realisation. But the derby is about the people's choice - and most people prefer plain designs with cute animals. After all that's just plain old democracy, isn't it?

GrafZahl wrote:I think people should support shirts that they want to buy and wear. At least that's what the Button says. The last thing the derby needs are people that vote for shirts that they wouldn't actually buy. Of course there are lots of shirts with better ideas and/or better realisation. But the derby is about the people's choice - and most people prefer plain designs with cute animals. After all that's just plain old democracy, isn't it?

I agree with the general idea that people should vote on the shirts they would like to wear. I have seen and admired plenty of submissions for their adept artistic designs, but the shirts I tend to like to wear are simpler and more accessible in nature. This isn't to say that those more artistic shirts shouldn't be voted for or made, but for me, I only vote for shirts that I know I would buy if they were to be printed by the end of the week, which actually isn't that often.

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i would think the three white lines coming from the 3rd mouse should be coming from the head area rather than the butt. or am i missing something, and it IS the butt that is so shocked that it has no tail? sense. not. made.

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I LOVE THIS!
Very cool idea and good positioning of the mice. I like the confused one looking for his tail.

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I love it!

choumore wrote:I don't want to be a jerk and spread any negativity, but this is exactly the part I dislike the woot derby most. People just pick mediocre designs (not about the technique, the illustration is superb without doubt) that have
cute little animals. I mean come on the joke on computer mice is getting a little bit tooooooold. What do you expect when people see you wearing this? "haha cute" and then what?

People should support fresh ideas, so long they are executed well. Situation like this is unfair to the thinkers and eventually leads to the death of the derby.

I'll go you one further--these aren't even cute animals. In my unprofessional opinion, this entry looks like it was thrown together quickly and is quite sloppy.

How is this even a pun? No one says 'computer mice' and the mice pictured aren't even computers, they're just weird hybrid of a mice with mouse parts. Honestly I've always thought many of the criticisms that you are never on-topic to be a bit unfair, but this is absolute uninspired drivel =3

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I really hope this one is picked, I'd buy this in a heartbeat.

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I haven't been watching the derby for long, but I've noticed there is usually dismay over sekiyoku's designs. And I have noticed that they are generally things that have been "done before." In art and design, people often become known for having their own personal style. It seems to me that sekiyoku's style is to remake classics with her own spin. Yes they've been done, but I think there is still something good to be said about a well-made classic.

Of course, as with all art/design, whether or not one appreciates it or even likes it completely depends on each person as an individual. Not to disrespect anyone's point of view; I just thought I'd throw mine out there

calindacat wrote:I haven't been watching the derby for long, but I've noticed there is usually dismay over sekiyoku's designs. And I have noticed that they are generally things that have been "done before." In art and design, people often become known for having their own personal style. It seems to me that sekiyoku's style is to remake classics with her own spin. Yes they've been done, but I think there is still something good to be said about a well-made classic.

Of course, as with all art/design, whether or not one appreciates it or even likes it completely depends on each person as an individual. Not to disrespect anyone's point of view; I just thought I'd throw mine out there

Except that woot specifically states that it does not want remade classics. They want exclusive, original designs which can be found nowhere else. That would be the reason for the complaints.

hewtab wrote:http://johnsu.deviantart.com/art/Optimal-Mouse-76752085 is what I thought it was

So February 2008 we have this on Deviant Art drawn by JohnSu (not seki):



Then about a year later seki submits this:



And now we have this:



Now this wouldn't be the first time they've stolen ideas from DA *cough*grimoptimism*cough* but this is really getting sad.......

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cheese and rice seko have you no imagination? do you google what is popular and do what ever pops up?

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After seeing the art from DA, this should be rejected. The original is very similar to the two designs that Seki made, maybe too similar to be coincidental.

gijose wrote:I'm sure there are others:

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/computer_mice_tshirt-235507717941756412

that link is nothing like this shirt though. watching the films are you talking about?!?!?!

janusjudas wrote:that link is nothing like this shirt though. watching the films are you talking about?!?!?!

that link is everything like this shirt though. watching the films are you talking about?!?!?!

gijose wrote:that link is everything like this shirt though. watching the films are you talking about?!?!?!

Yeah, those mice look just like the ones on this shirt.

mrwednesday wrote: (Stuff with pictures and links and accusations of theft)

srm8ib4 wrote:After seeing the art from DA, this should be rejected. The original is very similar to the two designs that Seki made, maybe too similar to be coincidental.

It's a bit of a leap to go from "similar idea exists" to "The idea was stolen". Two people can, independently, come up with the same pun. No offense to seki or anyone else who thought up the idea, but a computer mouse mixed with an actual mouse isn't exactly a great creative leap.

It doesn't have to be.

What it has to be is a new image worth wearing on a shirt. The joke of this shirt is different from the ones posted (Old trackball, the bluetooth one worried about it's missing tail), the layout is new, the art is distinctly Seki's style.

This shirt has got my vote and soon, inevitably, my money.

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I can't help but notice all of the angry posts about how this shouldn't be made into a shirt because it's not "original" enough.
No, the concept of computer mice isn't original, but the derby is for visual puns, and most puns aren't that original. It's only the design that has to be original.

I'm also tired of reading posts about how I shouldn't vote a certain way just because someone doesn't think the idea is original enough or well done enough. That's purely a matter of opinion, and all that shirt.woot is asking voters to do is decide whether or not they would want a shirt with that design on it. If you want to be in charge of rejecting shirts for lack of originality, ask shirt.woot for a job. If you really think this design has been "stolen" from someone else, there is a button labeled "tattle on this" for a reason.

As for the people complaining that they're sick of seeing cute animals on shirts, again, if that's what the majority of voters want then that's going onto a shirt. As much as you may think it's a travesty that people don't share the same tastes as you, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

tcoty wrote:
As for the people complaining that they're sick of seeing cute animals on shirts, again, if that's what the majority of voters want then that's going onto a shirt. As much as you may think it's a travesty that people don't share the same tastes as you, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

The first point: I'm not sure what you're saying here. We all know by now that most votes=print in derbies. It's like in baseball, the team that scores more runs wins. It's no consolation if bad designs/the Yankees win.

And cute animals are perfectly fine. Jewelwing's "Help From Above"? A lovely, adorable design. "Larkitecture"? Likewise. Like all good designs, those were well drawn and wearable.

Yes, this is all subjective. However, I am genuinely curious as to how this design is cute and wearable. I don't mean that snarkily. I'm curious.

GrafZahl wrote:I think people should support shirts that they want to buy and wear. At least that's what the Button says. The last thing the derby needs are people that vote for shirts that they wouldn't actually buy. Of course there are lots of shirts with better ideas and/or better realisation. But the derby is about the people's choice - and most people prefer plain designs with cute animals. After all that's just plain old democracy, isn't it?

Most "plain old democracy" has stuff in check to make it not solely about majority votes.

Keep in mind that in our own lifetimes (unless you're a 9 year old with a credit card) at least one election was won contrary to popular vote. And while that particular situation ended up being a nightmare, it is nevertheless the case that even in America, the absolute hotbed of democracy (so we'd have you think), pure democracy has a second factor than simply popular vote.

tcoty wrote:I can't help but notice all of the angry posts about how this shouldn't be made into a shirt because it's not "original" enough.
No, the concept of computer mice isn't original, but the derby is for visual puns, and most puns aren't that original. It's only the design that has to be original.

I'm also tired of reading posts about how I shouldn't vote a certain way just because someone doesn't think the idea is original enough or well done enough. That's purely a matter of opinion, and all that shirt.woot is asking voters to do is decide whether or not they would want a shirt with that design on it. If you want to be in charge of rejecting shirts for lack of originality, ask shirt.woot for a job. If you really think this design has been "stolen" from someone else, there is a button labeled "tattle on this" for a reason.

As for the people complaining that they're sick of seeing cute animals on shirts, again, if that's what the majority of voters want then that's going onto a shirt. As much as you may think it's a travesty that people don't share the same tastes as you, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

What people are sick of are the SAME beady eyed animals..the bunnies, mice, squirrels that are just slapped on a different design to fit the theme (or not).

Note that the person I am responding to is ANOTHER 2 woot person. It's amazing how many come out of woodwork on Ramy and Seki designs. Posting names? Alternate accounts? Or really new Wooters? Things that make you go hmmmmmm

calindacat wrote:I haven't been watching the derby for long, but I've noticed there is usually dismay over sekiyoku's designs. And I have noticed that they are generally things that have been "done before." In art and design, people often become known for having their own personal style. It seems to me that sekiyoku's style is to remake classics with her own spin. Yes they've been done, but I think there is still something good to be said about a well-made classic.

Of course, as with all art/design, whether or not one appreciates it or even likes it completely depends on each person as an individual. Not to disrespect anyone's point of view; I just thought I'd throw mine out there

Have you really not seen a million different "artists" with this same style? There is a freakin' empire created on selling books about how to draw like this.

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i'm guessing the middle one has cheese, but it almost hides away from the roller on his stomach. plus it'd be interesting if it was a computer chip.

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very, very nicely done, however there are others on this site that are more original (sperm whales make great seamen, nose hare, tyranosaurus wrecks) those mice would be better suited as small stickers on computer imo

banzaaiii wrote:very, very nicely done, however there are others on this site that are more original (sperm whales make great seamen, nose hare, tyranosaurus wrecks) those mice would be better suited as small stickers on computer imo

but then she couldn't have re-used an old design!

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i think i saw seki the other day at super 88...

WEARING AN EDGAR SHIRT!!!!!! O_O

AdderXYU wrote:Have you really not seen a million different "artists" with this same style? There is a freakin' empire created on selling books about how to draw like this.

I'm just throwing out a friendly opinion. I even incorporated the right to disagree in it. No need for hostility

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How cute I'm not a big fan of mice personally, and do wish my beloved apple mouse was included, but I could easily see myself wearing this.

Got my vote, and hopefully this wont dissolve into flames again. (reading through the comments I can tell its already on the way, I foresee myself quoted)

sirensmask wrote: I foresee myself quoted

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

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Cute and amusing. I'd wear it. GMV.

mrwednesday wrote:So February 2008 we have this on Deviant Art drawn by JohnSu (not seki):




Now this wouldn't be the first time they've stolen ideas from DA *cough*grimoptimism*cough* but this is really getting sad.......

Yeah the submission should be rejected for this reason alone.

warhawksrock05 wrote:Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Prophecies have fulfilled! -shock and awe-


On another note, I'm already seeing people having a hissy fit over originality. Please point me to one completely and utterly, never-been-done-in-the-history-of-the-internet-and-artist-freedom entry and I'll be glad to agree with you that this shirt should be damned.

As it stands, because this derby topic is of old jokes, I could more likely than not find a similar design of every entry via google/deviantart/so on.

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I don't mind this shirt at all. The ps/2 versus usb ports are a nice touch.

sirensmask wrote:Prophecies have fulfilled! -shock and awe-


On another note, I'm already seeing people having a hissy fit over originality. Please point me to one completely and utterly, never-been-done-in-the-history-of-the-internet-and-artist-freedom entry and I'll be glad to agree with you that this shirt should be damned.

As it stands, because this derby topic is of old jokes, I could more likely than not find a similar design of every entry via google/deviantart/so on.

With this design, I don't think it's just a matter of it being an overdone concept. I think the lifting of another artist's character design is unacceptable.

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not my favorite of your work. i do feel that some of your designs are very nice (i am not one of your haters), but i just really don't see why this one is in the fog. yes, the old ball mouse with the cane is very clever, and it's cute that the wireless one has no "tail" but there are simply other submissions that are "better" than this and should be ranked higher. are people voting for the person and not the design here? because i really tend to disagree with 2-3 of the fogged entries every week...

odysseyroc wrote:With this design, I don't think it's just a matter of it being an overdone concept. I think the lifting of another artist's character design is unacceptable.

Because two designs are similar does not make it a "lifting" of another's design. Computer mice, in their original form, were white. These mice are white. Each of the mice's tracker (ball, laser) is located on their bottom or belly. Its not a copy when anthromorphing an object and placing their parts near where they would be. The only thing now put where they should be following the design of the mouse, is the cord. But it looks much more aesthetically pleasing as the mouse's tail.

sirensmask wrote:Because two designs are similar does not make it a "lifting" of another's design. Computer mice, in their original form, were white. These mice are white. Each of the mice's tracker (ball, laser) is located on their bottom or belly. Its not a copy when anthromorphing an object and placing their parts near where they would be. The only thing now put where they should be following the design of the mouse, is the cord. But it looks much more aesthetically pleasing as the mouse's tail.

So we have two designs, both have mice that are also computer mice, both have similar placement of ball/laser and both have a ps/2 and usb cord tail. What makes this one not a rip off of another design other than a different color. If I draw Superman and give him different color skin or a purple cape, it doesn't make it a different design.

odysseyroc wrote:If I draw Superman and give him different color skin or a purple cape, it doesn't make it a different design.

BIZARRO SUPERMAN!

odysseyroc wrote:So we have two designs, both have mice that are also computer mice, both have similar placement of ball/laser and both have a ps/2 and usb cord tail. What makes this one not a rip off of another design other than a different color. If I draw Superman and give him different color skin or a purple cape, it doesn't make it a different design.

If I draw a toaster, where would the opening be? At the head more likely than not. Where would I put the ball/laser of a mouse? On the stomach. Where would the cord fit best? As the tail.

Anthromorphism is working off an object and turning it into something living. The placement is usually based off preset areas. Because of where the mice attributes are, that dictates the general area. Where would you have want the ball? In the head? Would that look nicer? Probably not. It fits well in the stomach.

Two artists had an idea for living computer mice, and probably a lot more. Does this mean they copied one another? No. They just worked off the same subject matter.

sirensmask wrote:If I draw a toaster, where would the opening be? At the head more likely than not. Where would I put the ball/laser of a mouse? On the stomach. Where would the cord fit best? As the tail.

Anthromorphism is working off an object and turning it into something living. The placement is usually based off preset areas. Because of where the mice attributes are, that dictates the general area. Where would you have want the ball? In the head? Would that look nicer? Probably not. It fits well in the stomach.

Two artists had an idea for living computer mice, and probably a lot more. Does this mean they copied one another? No. They just worked off the same subject matter.

So in your mind it is in no way possible that she saw that design at the most popular art community on the web and copied it? It happens all the time. Even well established comic book art have been caught doing it.

Ugh, I know I should refrain from commenting on my thread, because it's always like reigniting the fire, but I can't help myself- it's just too funny. At first this entry is so overdone and unoriginal that there are a billion t-shirts and drawings and god-knows-what of the concept (never mind that the most similar shirt anyone has found is my own previous submission which I acknowledged that this was a reimagining of, and the next closest shirt is a picture of rainbow actual computer mice with googly eyes). Then it's so rare, so unique of an idea that only one person could have ever come up with it and this MUST be stolen (never mind that the mice are drawn differently and the concepts are not the same at all). You guys need to get your stories straight because you really can't have it both ways. :p

Anyway, thanks again all for the support on the design <3 As always, if you have something to say to me specifically (negative or positive) and want to make sure that I see it/respond, just shoot me a PM.

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A misquote, but still applicable:

"Everything that can be invented has been invented."

— Charles Duell, U.S. Patent Commissioner, 1899.

Woot should really reject a whole bunch of entries this week but it is doubtful because there wouldn't be any good ones left.

odysseyroc wrote: If I draw Superman and give him different color skin or a purple cape, it doesn't make it a different design.

I think if you look back to the atrocity known as "but srsly it's mai pumpkin" you'll find a bit of humor in your statement.

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but srsly, its mai cheese.

tcoty wrote:I can't help but notice all of the angry posts about how this shouldn't be made into a shirt because it's not "original" enough.
No, the concept of computer mice isn't original, but the derby is for visual puns, and most puns aren't that original. It's only the design that has to be original.

I'm also tired of reading posts about how I shouldn't vote a certain way just because someone doesn't think the idea is original enough or well done enough. That's purely a matter of opinion, and all that shirt.woot is asking voters to do is decide whether or not they would want a shirt with that design on it. If you want to be in charge of rejecting shirts for lack of originality, ask shirt.woot for a job. If you really think this design has been "stolen" from someone else, there is a button labeled "tattle on this" for a reason.

As for the people complaining that they're sick of seeing cute animals on shirts, again, if that's what the majority of voters want then that's going onto a shirt. As much as you may think it's a travesty that people don't share the same tastes as you, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

I will tell you want this is horrible to the community. Less original idea = faster to finish the design = earlier submission = more likely to be in the fog = larger momentum in votes

Remind you that few voters actually go through most of the design. Most people just check this site once or twice during a week and vote for those they like in the fog. Artists who actually take time to develop and perfect their designs are being unfairly punished. It is not like people start voting after wendesday noon.

Well, here we go again...

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The execution is done quite nicely. The only problem for me is that I don't like the pun. To me I don't find it original.

choumore wrote:Artists who actually take time to develop and perfect their designs are being unfairly punished. It is not like people start voting after wendesday noon.

This is kind of a flaw with the derby, not the voters or artists. We would all love more than 24 hours to make a big awesome entry. Even if they announce the derby at noon, most of us have stuff going on during that 24 hours that prevents us from devoting the entire day to our Woot designs . I usually dont get to begin til midnight, which means no sleep, which means I suffer with a lot of pain the next day.

I'd like it if they'd give til the following Monday to start submitting. Regardless of effort spent, the first designs submitted do have a huge advantage.

bassanimation wrote:This is kind of a flaw with the derby, not the voters or artists. We would all love more than 24 hours to make a big awesome entry. Even if they announce the derby at noon, most of us have stuff going on during that 24 hours that prevents us from devoting the entire day to our Woot designs . I usually dont get to begin til midnight, which means no sleep, which means I suffer with a lot of pain the next day.

I'd like it if they'd give til the following Monday to start submitting. Regardless of effort spent, the first designs submitted do have a huge advantage.

Wouldn't you say that that's sort of in line with work/deadlines? I know you worked in video games and from what I understand your deadlines are even crazier than ours are in comics.

It's not fair and it's not fun, but that's the way the world works.

odysseyroc wrote:Wouldn't you say that that's sort of in line with work/deadlines? I know you worked in video games and from what I understand your deadlines are even crazier than ours are in comics.

It's not fair and it's not fun, but that's the way the world works.

Oh, very much it's like working for real. I was telling a friend that it was good because it is like having a real deadline. My boyfriend and I are both in the games industry, and we've both pulled overnighters during crunch. This is sort of the same, but it goes to show you, sometimes you just dont get the time you want to create something "amazing". You get the time you're alotted and that's it, you do your best.

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nice concept

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i love it, i hope it wins. i love rodent stuff.

tcoty wrote:I can't help but notice all of the angry posts about how this shouldn't be made into a shirt because it's not "original" enough.
No, the concept of computer mice isn't original, but the derby is for visual puns, and most puns aren't that original. It's only the design that has to be original.

I'm also tired of reading posts about how I shouldn't vote a certain way just because someone doesn't think the idea is original enough or well done enough. That's purely a matter of opinion, and all that shirt.woot is asking voters to do is decide whether or not they would want a shirt with that design on it. If you want to be in charge of rejecting shirts for lack of originality, ask shirt.woot for a job. If you really think this design has been "stolen" from someone else, there is a button labeled "tattle on this" for a reason.

As for the people complaining that they're sick of seeing cute animals on shirts, again, if that's what the majority of voters want then that's going onto a shirt. As much as you may think it's a travesty that people don't share the same tastes as you, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

thank YOU!

tcoty wrote:I can't help but notice all of the angry posts about how this shouldn't be made into a shirt because it's not "original" enough.
No, the concept of computer mice isn't original, but the derby is for visual puns, and most puns aren't that original. It's only the design that has to be original.

I'm also tired of reading posts about how I shouldn't vote a certain way just because someone doesn't think the idea is original enough or well done enough. That's purely a matter of opinion, and all that shirt.woot is asking voters to do is decide whether or not they would want a shirt with that design on it. If you want to be in charge of rejecting shirts for lack of originality, ask shirt.woot for a job. If you really think this design has been "stolen" from someone else, there is a button labeled "tattle on this" for a reason.

As for the people complaining that they're sick of seeing cute animals on shirts, again, if that's what the majority of voters want then that's going onto a shirt. As much as you may think it's a travesty that people don't share the same tastes as you, everyone's entitled to their opinion.

So what you mean is that only people who like the things you like are entitled to their opinion, right? Otherwise there would be nothing wrong with everyone, positive or negative, voicing their opinion, right?

Not everyone is going to like what you like, as much as you may think that's a travesty, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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Not that it would make this design work for me, but this needs more lasers. Who the heck uses ball mice anymore?

And note the supreme derby-winning technique in action:
1)Draw an animal or three in a cartoony style.
2)Make sure one of them is doing something funny or silly
OR
2b)Make it as cute as possible
3)???
4)Profit!

Disclaimer: I actually liked and bought the meat-eating rabbit shirt a while back. Yes, I'm a hypocrite.

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What plane is the ground supposed to be on? The leftmost mouse's feet look really, really off. The shading seems randomly afforded different weights in different places.

Regardless of whether this is an original idea or makes a clever shirt (let's just say it's not something I would wear), it's sloppy plain and simple. Lack of internal design consistency =/= artistic license. The tiger was much more cohesive and much better executed than this, which was key to why it actually WAS cute (although I still couldn't cast a vote since it was not something I would wear on a shirt). I'm sorry, but this isn't cute; it just hurts the eyes.

odysseyroc wrote:Wouldn't you say that that's sort of in line with work/deadlines? I know you worked in video games and from what I understand your deadlines are even crazier than ours are in comics.

It's not fair and it's not fun, but that's the way the world works.

I have no problem of the 24 hrs deadline. It is the people who take zero time thinking that I am complaining. In the real world job, people who work the fastest win, not the people using others' ideas to save their time of actual "designing". This is a design contest, not a painting/illustration contest.

choumore wrote:I have no problem of the 24 hrs deadline. It is the people who take zero time thinking that I am complaining. In the real world job, people who work the fastest win, not the people using others' ideas to save their time of actual "designing". This is a design contest, not a painting/illustration contest.

I partially agree with you.
This is a design contest. It is also in 'illustration' contest. The best designed shirt will absolutely not win if it is poorly realized. Nor does it deserve to.
Some people don't need to spend a lot of time thinking. Some people see the theme, and instantly have a great idea.

bethlehemstarr wrote:I partially agree with you.
This is a design contest. It is also in 'illustration' contest. The best designed shirt will absolutely not win if it is poorly realized. Nor does it deserve to.
Some people don't need to spend a lot of time thinking. Some people see the theme, and instantly have a great idea.

What you said is exactly what I meant. Design is a creation on both the conceptual and artistic level. Of course ugly design will never win simply because people will not vote for it in the first place. And I am not asking to compromise the quality of illustration just because you have a great idea. And we all are jealous of the people who develop great ideas within seconds.

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you idiots do understand that when you have post wars like these you instigate more votes for shirts that suck...

aricartt wrote:you idiots do understand that when you have post wars like these you instigate more votes for shirts that suck...

Actually quite the opposite. If you want to look at long term trends the criticism against ramy and seki has increased pretty dramatically and their vote totals and print totals have dropped dramatically as well.

As many have already stated over the course of the several past derbies, most voters don't even look at the threads. Most ramy and seki voters would vote either way regardless of what's said. I wouldn't doubt they are pulling them all over from gaia online just to vote as we've seen a massive increase in one or two woot accounts vehemently defending these two as if they had some stake in the victory.

Not to mention the spite votes are nowhere near enough to print anything otherwise they'd print every week. The spite voters don't wait for a thread criticizing seki to cast their vote.They just find the shiny thumbnail and hit "I'd want one". There's no need to even look what's going on. And for every spite voter there are just as many who were on the fence and don't vote as a result of the discussion here.

So no, the dissent is not counter productive by any means and there's absolutely no evidence to believe it is other than two or three users here and there saying, "I'm gonna vote for this cause you're mean."

jtbradford wrote:Not that it would make this design work for me, but this needs more lasers. Who the heck uses ball mice anymore?

And note the supreme derby-winning technique in action:
1)Draw an animal or three in a cartoony style.
2)Make sure one of them is doing something funny or silly
OR
2b)Make it as cute as possible
3)???
4)Profit!

Disclaimer: I actually liked and bought the meat-eating rabbit shirt a while back. Yes, I'm a hypocrite.

You realize that the mouse with the ball has a cane to make him old, as in how old a mouse with a ball is. I think the artist agrees with you in that regards.

I like the pseudo evolution of the mouse shown here. Just wish s/he could have done it like the evolution of man charts.

sekiyoku wrote:Ugh, I know I should refrain from commenting on my thread, because it's always like reigniting the fire, but I can't help myself- it's just too funny. At first this entry is so overdone and unoriginal that there are a billion t-shirts and drawings and god-knows-what of the concept (never mind that the most similar shirt anyone has found is my own previous submission which I acknowledged that this was a reimagining of, and the next closest shirt is a picture of rainbow actual computer mice with googly eyes). Then it's so rare, so unique of an idea that only one person could have ever come up with it and this MUST be stolen (never mind that the mice are drawn differently and the concepts are not the same at all). You guys need to get your stories straight because you really can't have it both ways. :p

This is some beautiful spin on a relatively simple concept. The artwork? Generic and overdone, featuring lifeless looking animals. The concept? Seen before. It can be had both ways.

strawhat311 wrote:The execution is done quite nicely. The only problem for me is that I don't like the pun. To me I don't find it original.

Pun? What pun?

jmmbell1987 wrote:Interestingly, no one is tearing into the posters who've already said what's on adder's mind, certainly not to the extent that they would if adder said it.

he always has something good to say in derbies and some fog enteries he does have postive comments but he dislikes ramby's and SEKIYOKU's cute animal type art because he finds it offensive to be put up against some of what he considers the real art like Edgar and the like.

I'm not taking sides just putting it out there
PS: did I get that just about right Adder?

PSPS: sorry to say but this is prob my lest favorite of SEKIYOKU

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Hahaha soooo amazing, love it!!

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Glad you did, the Individualism derby was my first and I remember your mice from then. this is a great design and I wish you the best of luck in all you do.

Ignoring the flame war going on, here's some objective crit for you, Seki.

The eyes on the wireless mouse look very bizarre. I didn't understand what was going on til I read your comment where you explained he was freaked out about not having a tail. I like the concept but the eyes are a little too odd.

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Could someone please explain why the Blue J shirt was rejected for being:

"not significantly different from previous entry".

Is Woot talking about the Blue derby entry, or an entry that was submitted for this derby (118). Because if it was rejected for not being too different from the previous entry in the Blue Derby then I'm wondering why Computer Mice has not been rejected for the same reason as
"Not to different than a previous entry" in the derby #82: individualism → a different kind of mouse(resub)



thoughts?

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This design is brilliant, I'd definitely get one.

spartankid125 wrote:Could someone please explain why the Blue J shirt was rejected for being:

"not significantly different from previous entry".

Is Woot talking about the Blue derby entry, or an entry that was submitted for this derby (118). Because if it was rejected for not being too different from the previous entry in the Blue Derby then I'm wondering why Computer Mice has not been rejected for the same reason as
"Not to different than a previous entry" in the derby #82: individualism → a different kind of mouse(resub)



thoughts?

To quote the rules from the Halloween Derby:

"Resubmissions from past ... Derbies are strongly discouraged, and will be rejected if not substantially altered from the previous submission. We'll be the judges of what "substantially" means, so as always, assume the worst or be disappointed."

So if the rejectionator thinks it's "substantially" different, that's woot's decision to make.

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Wow, I was surprised by all the negative comments, I personally think it is a wonderful re-take on what others have done. Sek has a wonderful talent for drawing. This is a visual pun derby, there have been thousands of remakes of thousands of puns, this isn't a choose-the-puns-that-haven't-been-done-yet-but-people-still-know-derby. I'd buy it, I'd buy 3 and give'em to friends.

Mrspott wrote:he always has something good to say in derbies and some fog enteries he does have postive comments but he dislikes ramby's and SEKIYOKU's cute animal type art because he finds it offensive to be put up against some of what he considers the real art like Edgar and the like.

I'm not taking sides just putting it out there
PS: did I get that just about right Adder?

PSPS: sorry to say but this is prob my lest favorite of SEKIYOKU

My post was more rhetorical, though I think you have some of the issue. There's more to it, but it's been talked about in countless other threads. I was more pointing out that Adder mentioned that others had said his points for him, and that no one was ripping on the posters who had made those points when they almost certainly would have had Adder made them.

gesangbaer wrote:Ignoring the flame war going on, here's some objective crit for you, Seki.

The eyes on the wireless mouse look very bizarre. I didn't understand what was going on til I read your comment where you explained he was freaked out about not having a tail. I like the concept but the eyes are a little too odd.

i like the eyes- they are the eyes of a shocked mice and also make it look more futuristic, like the bluetooth technology is compared to the old one and not so old one.


i like the whole desgin a lot actually, as i have said before. the mice are very well drawn and the design has a "story", its not just a bunch of "cute" mice, like the turtle shirt is (had it had a little more substance it would have been great too, but theyre just turtles with boxes, no side story). same thing with the rabbit eating meat someone mentioned before, there is something going on in the picture. another example of a cute cartoony drawing is the imposter one. the suspicious eyes on the far right (left on your body) penguin make the whole shirt, rather than it being a bunch of "cute" (i prefer the word cool btw, seems more fit for a shirt worn by a man)penguins and rabbit

point is "cute" shirts can work if there is more to it than cute, without which they become cancellation.

that said i couldnt wear this shirt as a computer pun is too geeky and people would see me as they see the people that play WoW in public on campus.

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Stay in the fog, I want one. I would have loved to see a mouse in a "hamster ball" for the old trackball, but it wouldn't have played properly.

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I am super excited to buy this, woooooh!

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Love the mouse with the full bars on his/her back!

jmmbell1987 wrote:Interestingly, no one is tearing into the posters who've already said what's on adder's mind, certainly not to the extent that they would if adder said it.

That's because it's like fighting a resistance group. You don't go after all the foot soldiers who are following orders, you go and eliminate their leaders. Since Adder has been around for so long and has been one of the most consistent people to reply to Seki and Ramy's work he is a better target to attack than the others who say similar ideas to his

mrwednesday wrote:So no, the dissent is not counter productive by any means and there's absolutely no evidence to believe it is other than two or three users here and there saying, "I'm gonna vote for this cause you're mean."

That's what we call an assumption. Nobody really knows if it is productive or not. I'm sure it's productive and counter productive, by how much is anybody's guess. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Nice design, very wearable. The eyes on mouse three are a bit weird, but GMV.

SJulian1 wrote:That's because it's like fighting a resistance group. You don't go after all the foot soldiers who are following orders, you go and eliminate their leaders. Since Adder has been around for so long and has been one of the most consistent people to reply to Seki and Ramy's work he is a better target to attack than the others who say similar ideas to his

This is a strange metaphor, for one. There is no army of resistance fighters being lead by anyone. Just people who've arrived at their own opinions on their own accord.

I do hope you're posting this hypothetically, and this isn't what you really think.

It implies that everyone who might agree with Adder are all minions who simply parrot him and by no means have arrived at their opinions on their own. One would have to be hopelessly narrow minded to think that way.

jmmbell1987 wrote:This is a strange metaphor, for one. There is no army of resistance fighters being lead by anyone. Just people who've arrived at their own opinions on their own accord.

I do hope you're posting this hypothetically, and this isn't what you really think.

It implies that everyone who might agree with Adder are all minions who simply parrot him and by no means have arrived at their opinions on their own. One would have to be hopelessly narrow minded to think that way.

ironically, there are a few people who arrived at their opinions by beginning with hating adder and disagreeing with everything he says, then eventually seeing the truth through time

jebustrist wrote:How is this even a pun? No one says 'computer mice' and the mice pictured aren't even computers, they're just weird hybrid of a mice with mouse parts. Honestly I've always thought many of the criticisms that you are never on-topic to be a bit unfair, but this is absolute uninspired drivel =3

Yeah, I don't get the pun either and I'm one of the cheesiest pun users that I know. I get most of the other puns... but this doesn't seem to fit. It seems like if it's computer mice, then it should be mice forming the shape of a computer or a real mouse attached to a computer or something to that affect. This just leaves me scratching my head thinking it's less of a pun and more of a monster from Frankenstein sort of thing, with pieces just mashed together in hopes of something coming alive.

Quick! Someone draw up a design with a live mouse, a wooden 2x4 with door keys nailed to it, and a nerdy boy with a sash sitting on a table all connected to a computer. Oh and the boy should be wearing a shirt with a picture of a window on it. Get it?...

Well, I hope something inspired makes it to the top 3...

jmmbell1987 wrote:This is a strange metaphor, for one. There is no army of resistance fighters being lead by anyone. Just people who've arrived at their own opinions on their own accord.

I do hope you're posting this hypothetically, and this isn't what you really think.

It implies that everyone who might agree with Adder are all minions who simply parrot him and by no means have arrived at their opinions on their own. One would have to be hopelessly narrow minded to think that way.

I think Adder's a girl... And judging by her comments, an ugly one.

Kidgoldstein wrote:Yeah, I don't get the pun either and I'm one of the cheesiest pun users that I know. I get most of the other puns... but this doesn't seem to fit. It seems like if it's computer mice, then it should be mice forming the shape of a computer or a real mouse attached to a computer or something to that affect. This just leaves me scratching my head thinking it's less of a pun and more of a monster from Frankenstein sort of thing, with pieces just mashed together in hopes of something coming alive.

The pun is on the word mouse. It is both a device that is attached to your computer and a small animal.

You're right that no one calls them computer mice.. because no one really does. They call it a mouse.

jmmbell1987 wrote:This is a strange metaphor, for one. There is no army of resistance fighters being lead by anyone. Just people who've arrived at their own opinions on their own accord.

I do hope you're posting this hypothetically, and this isn't what you really think.

It implies that everyone who might agree with Adder are all minions who simply parrot him and by no means have arrived at their opinions on their own. One would have to be hopelessly narrow minded to think that way.

Hah. No, I don't think that at all. Best way I could think to try and explain it is all. It's just that he's the most well known one who doesn't like their work so it makes sense that people attack his posts more.

bassanimation wrote:Oh, very much it's like working for real. I was telling a friend that it was good because it is like having a real deadline. My boyfriend and I are both in the games industry, and we've both pulled overnighters during crunch. This is sort of the same, but it goes to show you, sometimes you just dont get the time you want to create something "amazing". You get the time you're alotted and that's it, you do your best.

This may be m(w)oot issue to have among browsers, customers, and contributors, not open to actual modification or debate, but...

Why NOT delay voting? Comments can still happen as soon as a design is posted, so there can be the back-and-forth of feedback and response/resub, and of course, all manner of lively debate. Just start recording votes once submissions are closed (or near-closed).

Or (whatev)versely, maybe harsh, shorten the submission period? Historically, how many subs made after Monday end up in the fog anyway?

angeliny wrote:The pun is on the word mouse. It is both a device that is attached to your computer and a small animal.

You're right that no one calls them computer mice.. because no one really does. They call it a mouse.

You think of it as a computer mouse because in theory you're only using one at a time. But if you needed to buy a half-dozen for your office, would you say "I need six computer mouses" or would you say "I need six computer mice"?

To be honest, I've heard it both ways, but in terms of the design, it probably doesn't matter. It's not like they're computer hamsters, which would make no sense at all.

I need this tshirt. Make it happen shirt.woot

HalfWheat wrote:You think of it as a computer mouse because in theory you're only using one at a time. But if you needed to buy a half-dozen for your office, would you say "I need six computer mouses" or would you say "I need six computer mice"?

To be honest, I've heard it both ways, but in terms of the design, it probably doesn't matter. It's not like they're computer hamsters, which would make no sense at all.

I only meant that its rare that you hear someone add on "computer" to the word. Someone mentioned that a computer should be a part of the design but I feel that just showing the mouse, as a mouse, serves the purpose well.

mitchellp wrote:I think Adder's a girl... And judging by her comments, an ugly one.

That would be very odd, since s/he has referred to himself as 'he' several times in a post on this page.

And that's very silly. Pretty girls can be rude/difficult/skeptical/criticizing too.

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DO. WANT.

Seriously, this is awesome. I will own this.

marmls2m wrote:ironically, there are a few people who arrived at their opinions by beginning with hating adder and disagreeing with everything he says, then eventually seeing the truth through time

Yep. Like me, for example.

sekiyoku wrote:Thanks everyone, glad you noticed the small details (like the cane ) and enjoy the concept. <3

HEY!!! Where can i get this mouse shirt from? Please HELP!

belo1227 wrote:HEY!!! Where can i get this mouse shirt from? Please HELP!

They have it again but it is $15.

Here is a link to the page:
http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=10441

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