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There's only one person who knows how the dictators were defeated. A smart soldier who understood what really was going on.

This is really funny and perfectly done!

Good job!

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Distilled genius. Love it.

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I really like this a lot! Unfortunately I think it may get rejected. They tend to shy away from Hitler references.

Johndis5 wrote:I really like this a lot! Unfortunately I think it may get rejected. They tend to shy away from Hitler references.

not hitler. a very generic dictator that you would find in any cartoon.

moonboy wrote:not hitler. a very generic dictator that you would find in any cartoon.

Unfortunately I agree it will get rejected. Woot has rejected almost any reference to a dictator before. I hope not bc I think it's hilairous so +1 for now.

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This is the best thing I've ever seen. EVER.

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Well, in my opinion that's clearly not Hitler. And this gesture wasn't something he created. There were some other dictators who used it. Anyway, it would be a shame if that got rejected.

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This is awesome! I would fully buy one if it were just the middle panel. I don't think it needs the top or bottom. Its clear with out them. Great job!

moonboy wrote:not hitler. a very generic dictator that you would find in any cartoon.

I stand corrected. Seriously, good luck, I'll be buying it if it prints!

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just look at the 'stache...not Hilter. GMV

Brilliant concept, great execution and perfect colors. you make me angry.

Sachmoe64 wrote:This is awesome! I would fully buy one if it were just the middle panel. I don't think it needs the top or bottom. Its clear with out them. Great job!

Yeah I agree about that. The top and bottom feel tacked on and IMO kind of make it off topic. Would love to see it without those.

Did you sub this at Threadless or somewhere? This seems very familiar for some reason, like I scored it there or something.

You cannot get simpler and greater than this.
Even though isn't the interpretation of any historical fact. I'd buy it and won't be bothered if it doesn't get rejected because of the off topic thing

tgentry wrote:Yeah I agree about that. The top and bottom feel tacked on and IMO kind of make it off topic. Would love to see it without those.

Did you sub this at Threadless or somewhere? This seems very familiar for some reason, like I scored it there or something.

I was just about to ask that too. I know I've seen this somewhere and thought I scored it at threadless.

odysseyroc wrote:I was just about to ask that too. I know I've seen this somewhere and thought I scored it at threadless.

I think it's one of those "motivational" posters or something with Churchill beating Hitler using scissors (or in this case a peace sign). It even has it's own facebook page. I think that's where I saw it, someone "liked" it on facebook. It seemed familiar, but I'm not sure if I've seen it in the shirt world yet or not.

tgentry wrote:Yeah I agree about that. The top and bottom feel tacked on and IMO kind of make it off topic. Would love to see it without those.

Did you sub this at Threadless or somewhere? This seems very familiar for some reason, like I scored it there or something.

Yes, I sent to Threadless I while back. But it was a bit different, the dictator had a gun pointed to his head on the last shot. Hehe. I changed because some people thought it to strong. I made him just sad on this version, instead.

Or it could just be Jean-Baptiste comte de Rochambeau who was a French General who fought on the American side in the Revolutionary war vs British general if you changed the uniforms up a bit. And be a play on the victory of the Battle of the Chesapeak...

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Regarding rejection, I prefer to wait to see what woot thinks.
But IMO it would be a bit too moralist to reject, given I'm not laughing at people who suffered or died or anything. I'm just, as many other people have done before me, seeing a historical fact (the gesture used by real dictators - note the PLURAL) through a lightened perspective.

I knew it had potential to be polemic. But I'm happy to see that a lot of you understood and liked it. ;)

jsolomon wrote:Or it could just be Jean-Baptiste comte de Rochambeau who was a French General who fought on the American side in the Revolutionary war vs British general if you changed the uniforms up a bit. And be a play on the victory of the Battle of the Chesapeak...

That's a neat idea. ;)

I think this will get rejected, not because a dictator reference (totally different 'stash than Hitler), I just don't see the "Eyewitness History" here.

If it does get rejected, definitely save it to be resubmitted for another derby as I love it and think it's pretty damn funny.

I think this is funny, but if everyone is right about woot not liking Hitler references this will be rejected.

Even though it really isn't the same stash, Hitler was famous for that salute. I immediately thought Hitler when I saw this.

Still funny though

mikenytola wrote:I think this will get rejected, not because a dictator reference (totally different 'stash than Hitler), I just don't see the "Eyewitness History" here.

If it does get rejected, definitely save it to be resubmitted for another derby as I love it and think it's pretty damn funny.

I thought about that before subbing. But I ended up assuming that if I'm showing my view of something that happened, I'm making YOU the witness, right? It's just a different way of seeing the theme.

And if I get rejected because of that... well, with all due respect, than 70% of the derby have to be to. ;)

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I looked. I laughed. I voted.

very clever.

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THIS SHIRT IS SO EPIC I HAVE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS. THIS BETTER NOT GET REJECTED, HITLER OR NOT, THE DERBY THEME IS HISTORY AND IF THE WOOT! GUYS ARE GOING TO ASK PEOPLE TO REFERENCE HISTORY THEY SHOULD ACCEPT HITLER SUBMISSIONS, SEEING AS THOUGH ITS A MAJOR PART OF HISTORY. AND THIS IS A TOTALLY CLASSIC REFERENCE TO HITLER THIS ISN'T OFFENSIVE IN THE LEAST

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It's funny every time. Great mood you've created here.

moonboy wrote:I thought about that before subbing. But I ended up assuming that if I'm showing my view of something that happened, I'm making YOU the witness, right? It's just a different way of seeing the theme.

And if I get rejected because of that... well, with all due respect, than 70% of the derby have to be to. ;)

Ok, that makes sense.

@CHensler2009 - The entire German army was known for that salute, not just Hitler. ;)

Woot better not reject this because it is NOT Hitler. Hitler was thinner, didn't have sideburns, and his stash is very iconic with it being the small strip. This just looks like a German officer imo.

I think it's just Tom Selleck with his stash disguised as a German.

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At the least, I think the top panel should be removed...if you know your opponent's move, it's easy to win.

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I agree that the top and bottom panels just clutter the design, though the bottom one is kinda fun. But I have no doubt that this will be rejected, probably with "just no" or something as a reason. It's clearly got a N-A-Z-I on it, official symbol or not.

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RO-SHAM-BO!
I love it! Philosophy: All of life's decisions should be made using Ro-Sham-Bo.

LMFAO! this is possibly the best thing i've ever seen on here, and i must wear it one day.

you...you're some kind of wizard or something!

Itsandymann wrote:THIS SHIRT IS SO EPIC I HAVE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS. THIS BETTER NOT GET REJECTED, HITLER OR NOT, THE DERBY THEME IS HISTORY AND IF THE WOOT! GUYS ARE GOING TO ASK PEOPLE TO REFERENCE HISTORY THEY SHOULD ACCEPT HITLER SUBMISSIONS, SEEING AS THOUGH ITS A MAJOR PART OF HISTORY. AND THIS IS A TOTALLY CLASSIC REFERENCE TO HITLER THIS ISN'T OFFENSIVE IN THE LEAST

That's a hell of an argument you have right here. :-D
Thanks for that, man.

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WOW

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I think the bottom two panels are great. I agree the third one can be cut. If they reject it, email Woot and find out if you can show just the bottom two. It will take away any appearance of just a dictator sign, and make it solely rock paper scissors.

I do, however, think the bottom panel helps make this shirt great, because it adds a light heartedness to it.

CapSea wrote:I think the bottom two panels are great. I agree the third one can be cut. If they reject it, email Woot and find out if you can show just the bottom two. It will take away any appearance of just a dictator sign, and make it solely rock paper scissors.

I do, however, think the bottom panel helps make this shirt great, because it adds a light heartedness to it.

Edit: First one can be cut, not third one.

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I really like the concept, but I'd rather have the shirt as just the middle pair; I think the shirt is cleaner and simpler with just the two figures. I'd definitely vote for it then.

brianginther wrote:just look at the 'stache...not Hilter. GMV

Ya! It's obviously Stalin!

Oh, wait. He's worse. We were just buddy-buddy with him for a while. Whoops.

But I know I've seen this concept before. If it gets rejected, it'd be for that reason IMO.

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If i wear this in school, will i be suspended? Considering we have people being suspended for wearing the American Flag on Cinco de Mayo...probably

Sachmoe64 wrote:This is awesome! I would fully buy one if it were just the middle panel. I don't think it needs the top or bottom. Its clear with out them. Great job!

I agree, I would like this a lot more as just the middle frame, but I'd still buy it in a half a heartbeat!

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first shirt to ever make me laugh our loud!

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While I completely agree that this is a great idea, I think it could use some work. Two things it does not need, the top and bottom panel, as some others have already stated, and the middle panel itself really doesn't need the small scissors thought bubble. While some people may not get it right at first, the idea would come across quite clearly without it, and it would make the shirt much stronger without it. Also, not that original of an idea in the first place. http://robertbonnett.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/hitler-scissors-beat-paper.jpg Still sgreat to see in illustrated form, though (yes, I know it's not supposed to be hitler) just my opinion.

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http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/explorers_history/winston_chruchill_adolf_hitler_scissors_beat_paper.jpg

http://strange-land.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/scissors_0preview.jpg

riddlescn wrote:I agree, I would like this a lot more as just the middle frame, but I'd still buy it in a half a heartbeat!

Hi guys!
About the Churchill pictures... they don't affect my design at all. Not the first time someone has had an idea that others have had too. And for the t-shirt format, I believe this is new.

About the tree frames: I did several tests with this design and one of the things I like the most is the fact it has a storytelling. If I had gone for a one time joke, it would be a completely different design and it would lose a lot of the fun (in my opinion).

* The first frame sets the scene: a dictator, giving his usual salute. You don't know what is coming next.
* The second, introduces the unexpected, nonsense element: the idea that it's all part of a child's game.
* The third is, for me, when the laugh really comes: the exaggeration, the light hearted sadness of the loser, the absurd happiness of the winner, the ridiculousness of that dispute.

Might as I try, I just can't see it working well without one of them.
If I cut lose the first, I lose the surprise people would have when the second frame comes.
If I cut lose the last, I lose the absurd reactions, which I believe are crucial to make the joke lighter and funnier.

I respect your opinions, but for me it's definitely a joke in 3 times. ;))

Thanks a lot for all the comments! You've been great. :-D

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Hello MOONBOY, I think its brilliant! +1

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Don't change a thing GMV and a buy if it wins.

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Fantastic. GMV

moonboy wrote:About the tree frames: I did several tests with this design and one of the things I like the most is the fact it has a storytelling. If I had gone for a one time joke, it would be a completely different design and it would lose a lot of the fun (in my opinion).

* The first frame sets the scene: a dictator, giving his usual salute. You don't know what is coming next.
* The second, introduces the unexpected, nonsense element: the idea that it's all part of a child's game.
* The third is, for me, when the laugh really comes: the exaggeration, the light hearted sadness of the loser, the absurd happiness of the winner, the ridiculousness of that dispute.

Might as I try, I just can't see it working well without one of them.
If I cut lose the first, I lose the surprise people would have when the second frame comes.
If I cut lose the last, I lose the absurd reactions, which I believe are crucial to make the joke lighter and funnier.

I agree with this, definitely better with three for the storytelling aspect. If it was just the center frame, or even just the last two, it would still be funny, but it would lose a lot of character. GMV

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I vote for all three too! I know, should this place, that I have a little cohort of lit buddies ravenous to purchase this! The group 'Guffaw' was awesome! GMV :D

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lol I wanna buy one right now

moonboy wrote:not hitler. a very generic dictator that you would find in any cartoon.

lol yeah that could be anyone!

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maybe he was doing the spock sign? in which case the soldier would have to counter-attack with lizard or paper.

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My favorite so far, but I too am concerned about a rejection.

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amazing concept, awful color.

why isn't this in light blue instead of some awkward tan?

lexbylex wrote:amazing concept, awful color.

why isn't this in light blue instead of some awkward tan?

i needed a color to match both the green of the soldier and the brown of the boots and the general uniform. in my taste, creme did this job better. but that's just a matter of taste, I guess. ;)

thanks for the compliment, though.

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The real joke of the design has to be read further down the shirt. What most people are going to see is just a Help! Help! I'm being oppressed! on your chest. Not something I would wear. Nicely drawn illustrations though.

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i think the three frames work great together. i'd buy this shirt, gmv.

moonboy wrote:not hitler. a very generic dictator that you would find in any cartoon.

While it is a fairly generic toon, the fact that he has the same outfit, moustache, and salute as a certain European dictator who was in power during a certain world war puts this in jeopardy I believe. Regardless, I love it.

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Brilliant!

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Far too likely to get rejectionated: http://www.fightdemback.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2454&start=0 Couldn't find anywhere that this printed on a tee in this country, but apparently it caused a ruckus with some folks in Australia.

Sachmoe64 wrote:This is awesome! I would fully buy one if it were just the middle panel. I don't think it needs the top or bottom. Its clear with out them. Great job!

Seconded.

It's probably too late, but if you did a resub with only the middle panel it would have my vote.

texanfromin wrote:Seconded.

It's probably too late, but if you did a resub with only the middle panel it would have my vote.

Oh, also maybe a different color? Light blue, perhaps?

moonboy wrote:I thought about that before subbing. But I ended up assuming that if I'm showing my view of something that happened, I'm making YOU the witness, right? It's just a different way of seeing the theme.

And if I get rejected because of that... well, with all due respect, than 70% of the derby have to be to. ;)

i agree 100%
GMV. this shirt is amazing and more on theme than many i've seen that won when they shouldn't have because of how vague they were!
fantastic, my friend. fantastic.

texanfromin wrote:Seconded.

It's probably too late, but if you did a resub with only the middle panel it would have my vote.

are you kidding? The third panel makes the whole shirt!

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I'd rather just have the middle pair. I don't want those dudes that far down on my shirt. And besides, it's fun not having an ending to the story. Why not let both get posted up there--one with just the middle pair. I'd "I'd Buy That" if it was just the middle pair.

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As a 7th-generation Army soldier whose grandfather served in WWII, I MUST HAVE THIS SHIRT!!!

Perfect execution, and I agree that the movie-reel feel of the shirt was the correct idea, even if the lower panel is a little low for my liking.

Excellent, my friend, just excellent.

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This is hilarious

Love the idea. Would love it even more if it was just the middle image. It works by itself.

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Let's face the facts... as far as quality goes this derby is grandly lacking. Regardles of reason or rime I think this shirt will stay in the fog for the fact that it's one of the only few that actually look good and well made.

Love & Peace
- the Hippie

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This is too funny. I'd certainly wear it. Love it! GMV

I have never wanted a shirt so badly before.... This is by far my favorite!

Thethirst21 wrote:I have never wanted a shirt so badly before.... This is by far my favorite!

my thoughts exactly.

This is one of those rare shirts that is literally LOL funny. I'll go ahead and proclaim that it WILL be printed. I'm hoping that the third frame won't print too low to be noticeable, because I'm totally buying one.

can't vote yet as I've not bought anything from the site - but if it wins then that will be about to change........love it and well done!