Rejected because: I'm sorry, but we still can't run it
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I had a minor meltdown over my rejection last night... sigh.... then I woke up this morning, looked up Dr Who copyright information, and took the offending Dalek off,, reshaped the rock (thought the other was too big) and re-subbed.
The Police Public call box is public domain.
Everything else on the shirt is stick figures.
Big Blue Box (series 2)
4 colors on Alsphalt
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Glad to see you made a come back.
I sincerely hope the best for this as a huge Doctor Who fan.
Just one thing I absolutely must know about this shirt... #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, or 11? :p
Not seeing a scarf or vegetable so... guessin 10 or 8? lol
But seriously, good luck. Hope to see it in the fog & "today's woot" soon. 
toxicxchocobo wrote:Glad to see you made a come back.
I sincerely hope the best for this as a huge Doctor Who fan.
Just one thing I absolutely must know about this shirt... #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, or 11? :p
Not seeing a scarf or vegetable so... guessin 10 or 8? lol
But seriously, good luck. Hope to see it in the fog & "today's woot" soon.
Thot about putting a scarf on him... then I decided to put a pair of cross trainers on his feet... so yeah #10... but my fav is prolly 9, yeah I know, I'm a rebel.
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What's a good way for the uninitiated to get into Doctor Who? I wouldn't even know where to begin. It's like this gigantic story that's been going on since the 60's right? How would someone approach that?
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So happy you re-submitted this. All it needs is the lizard and it'll be Blink-tastic. Will definitely buy if this wins.
tgentry wrote:What's a good way for the uninitiated to get into Doctor Who? I wouldn't even know where to begin. It's like this gigantic story that's been going on since the 60's right? How would someone approach that?
There really is no right or wrong way to get into Doctor Who. For the most part each episode is it's own story (with the exception of the 11th Doctor and some minor references here or there.) As for older dvds, they contain their full story arcs.
Personally I came in with the relaunch in 2005's "series 1" which is probably the easiest place to start. In between "series 4" and the specials, I caught up on the older stuff. If you end up liking David Tennant (10th Doctor) as much as what seems like the majority of the fanbase, I'd recommend checking out the 4th Doctor (Tom Baker) next and moving up from there.
Can't really comment on 1st through 3rd incarnations of The Doctor though. Yet. Seems like they may be a bit too slow paced for my taste, imo.
toxicxchocobo wrote:There really is no right or wrong way to get into Doctor Who. For the most part each episode is it's own story (with the exception of the 11th Doctor and some minor references here or there.) As for older dvds, they contain their full story arcs.
Personally I came in with the relaunch in 2005's "series 1" which is probably the easiest place to start. In between "series 4" and the specials, I caught up on the older stuff. If you end up liking David Tennant (10th Doctor) as much as what seems like the majority of the fanbase, I'd recommend checking out the 4th Doctor (Tom Baker) next and moving up from there.
Can't really comment on 1st through 3rd incarnations of The Doctor though. Yet. Seems like they may be a bit too slow paced for my taste, imo.
Season 5 of the new series had a really good season-long arc, that's going to lead into the next series, so I wouldn't just take it as a one-by-one sorta experience. Personally I'd recommend that people go back to the beginning of the reboot with 2005's series and start there. The quality gap between this last series and the previous four is immense though. Doctor Who really upped his game last year.
Moffat ftw.
This version of the shirt is much nicer looking anyway. Good stuff
griftgfx wrote:Season 5 of the new series had a really good season-long arc, that's going to lead into the next series, so I wouldn't just take it as a one-by-one sorta experience. Personally I'd recommend that people go back to the beginning of the reboot with 2005's series and start there. The quality gap between this last series and the previous four is immense though. Doctor Who really upped his game last year.
Moffat ftw.
This version of the shirt is much nicer looking anyway. Good stuff
I think I need to start watching this
i feel left out of the loop with the doctor who t-shirts.....sigh
Siax wrote:I think I need to start watching this
i feel left out of the loop with the doctor who t-shirts.....sigh
Definitely! Dr. Who is amazing, I actually got some of my friends in the dorm to start watching it, and they just love it! It's a great way to bond if you have a group, and it's an even better way to reach out to a community of already established geeks if you're looking for friends
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I'm so happy this shirt is back, I had a fit last night when I saw that it had been rejected. It would have been fun if the dalek had been swapped for something that could have been interpreted as a weeping angel.
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Oh fine...now I have to hope wine.woot doesn't come up with anything spectacular this week!*
(*References previous statement, concerning previously rejected version.)
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toxicxchocobo wrote:Glad to see you made a come back.
I sincerely hope the best for this as a huge Doctor Who fan.
Just one thing I absolutely must know about this shirt... #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, or 11? :p
Not seeing a scarf or vegetable so... guessin 10 or 8? lol
perahta wrote:Well..it can't be 11...or there'd be three stick figures, instead of two.
Unless it took place before "The Vampires of Venice" or in between "Vincent and the Doctor" & "The Pandorica Opens". Maybe Rory died again?
Either way, no complaints about it being #10.
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Add me to the "thrilled to see the resub" list!!!!11eleventy-one!!
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It's #10... :D
graffd02 wrote:I had a minor meltdown over my rejection last night... sigh.... then I woke up this morning, looked up Dr Who copyright information, and took the offending Dalek off,, reshaped the rock (thought the other was too big) and re-subbed.
Don't you love waking up in the morning and realizing you can overcome stuff? Congrats on the re-submit, I like it better than your original :D
toxicxchocobo wrote:There really is no right or wrong way to get into Doctor Who. For the most part each episode is it's own story (with the exception of the 11th Doctor and some minor references here or there.) As for older dvds, they contain their full story arcs.
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Can't really comment on 1st through 3rd incarnations of The Doctor though. Yet. Seems like they may be a bit too slow paced for my taste, imo.
I'd recommend some of the Pertwee (3rd)episodes as well. And I'm in for 3 of these shirts if it gets across the line...
... Right! I'm off to drum up some support from people who have bought from woot before.
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YES!!!
;o I forgot about the whole dalek ban. BBC had to pay so much just for all of tennant's season...
Still! I love it.
perahta wrote:Well..it can't be 11...or there'd be three stick figures, instead of two.
And the Doctor would have a bow tie because bow ties are cool.
Glad to see it is back. I like this simpler version better anyway. I didn't quite understand why the Daleks were going after the natives, and the natives were going after the Doctor and his companion.
tulsastorm wrote:And the Doctor would have a bow tie because bow ties are cool.
Glad to see it is back. I like this simpler version better anyway. I didn't quite understand why the Daleks were going after the natives, and the natives were going after the Doctor and his companion.
I like this "less is more" version better too... and now it's in the fog!
tgentry wrote:What's a good way for the uninitiated to get into Doctor Who? I wouldn't even know where to begin. It's like this gigantic story that's been going on since the 60's right? How would someone approach that?
After one of my friends showed me a few random episodes (which was actually pretty confusing to me, and I don't recommend it), I started watching from the beginning of the new Series 1 (and reading Wikipedia when extra information was needed), and that's worked out pretty well so far. In the new Series 1, they assume that there are a lot of people watching who have little to no knowledge of the originals, so they do a good job of explaining everything. The only unexplained references are usually to things that are kind of elaborated on throughout the rest of the season. And anything that doesn't make sense, you can look up on Wikipedia.
Anyway, I love the shirt, although it would have been better if the Dalek could have stayed. 
graffd02 wrote:Thot about putting a scarf on him... then I decided to put a pair of cross trainers on his feet... so yeah #10... but my fav is prolly 9, yeah I know, I'm a rebel.
I agree with what someone said on the first version that got rejected: you should totally have given him 10's hair. That would have been pretty otterific.
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This whole thread is a DW lovefest.
As it should be. :^)
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Excellent! So glad this is back in the running!
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Thanks for the support everyone! I don't know if this is going to print (never had a print anywhere!) but everyone being so supportive and upbeat has really re-instilled my faith in Woot...
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Yay! I'm so glad you re-subbed. This is a great shirt.
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The problem I have with this is way the TARDIS is drawn. It has clean and perfectly straight lines. Shouldn't it be more primitive looking, like the stick figures?
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This is a must have.For humanity,as we know it!
GOD, save this shirt.......
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If I hadn't seen the 1st shirt you submitted I would have totally though this was Bill & Ted, but then again I don't watch Dr. Who.
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This gets rejected but the much more obvious Calvin and Hobbes shirt doesn't? Can't really understand that. This is primitive stick figures running for a telephone booth. The other is obviously Calvin and Hobbes, not drawn in a primitive style at all, darn near looking like the originals. I can't understand the reasoning behind this. The Calvin and Hobbes shirt is 100 times more likely to get you in trouble because it's so clearly those two characters. This is stick figures and a phone booth.
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I don't understand why can't you run this woot? It's people running for a blue box. That could be anything, not necessarily a reference. Also, it's totally parody, because this would NEVER happen on Doctor Who. Plus, who cares if someone else did the work to create this stuff, other people should be able to profit off it! Gosh, it's just a teeshirt, woot.
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I think the Rejectionator should list the actual reason for rejection instead of blowing smoke. That way people won't have to speculate.
And not only that...being consistent might help too.
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AARRRRGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
kc6201
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The problem I have with this is way the TARDIS is drawn. It has clean and perfectly straight lines. Shouldn't it be more primitive looking, like the stick figures?
indihar wrote:I agree. Give your 5-yr.old a picture of the Tardis, a blue crayon, and tell 'em to draw what they see. Might get you closer to "primitive."
Hey...this has made it twice to the fog...there's still time for another revision!
There is time, but it'd just get rejected again, because there wasn't a specific reason specified. So how is anyone to know what needs to be fixed?
sTyLeS wrote:There is time, but it'd just get rejected again, because there wasn't a specific reason specified. So how is anyone to know what needs to be fixed?
Graffd02 would have to contact woot and say something along the lines of, "Hey...I REALLY want to "fix" this shirt and get it back in the derby. But I'm kind'of having trouble "fixing" it, when I don't really know what's wrong with it, since shirt.woot's reason for rejecting was along the lines of, "Rejected = 'cause we don't think it'll work." (In other words, no reason given.) So could you guys kind'of throw me a bone here, and tell me specifically what's wrong with it, so I can fix it? Thanks."
Oh...and like others, I'm still waiting to hear the reason woot's not rejecting the Calvin and Hobbs shirt...
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Hey Woot,
http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=8901
Why did that shirt PRINT, while this one is rejected?
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How about one more try...make a cave (cairn of stone?) with some kind of doors/windows/shutters on it and smash blueberries all over it???
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The problem will possibly be that the BBC have owned the trademark to the TARDIS since the 90's. Even the Met Police in the UK (largest owner of real blue police boxes) were unable to overturn that ruling.
As for why the previous shirt got through? Well, it could be a simple as that was the one the caused a previously unknowing Woot to get a call from the BBC and have to agree to 'not do it again' or pay a royalty on each shirt. Or both.
Shame though.
johntracker wrote:The problem will possibly be that the BBC have owned the trademark to the TARDIS since the 90's. Even the Met Police in the UK (largest owner of real blue police boxes) were unable to overturn that ruling.
As for why the previous shirt got through? Well, it could be a simple as that was the one the caused a previously unknowing Woot to get a call from the BBC and have to agree to 'not do it again' or pay a royalty on each shirt. Or both.
Shame though.
How in the world can a third party trademark a piece of "equipment" that does not belong to them nor has it ever belonged to them?
Is this some kind of British thing?
emeraldchickpea wrote:How in the world can a third party trademark a piece of "equipment" that does not belong to them nor has it ever belonged to them?
Is this some kind of British thing?
Man this is such bs. Not to mention hypocritical. There's already another Tardis-related shirt AND a blatant Calvin & Hobbs ripoff in the fog still. -,-;
sTyLeS wrote:I think the Rejectionator should list the actual reason for rejection instead of blowing smoke. That way people won't have to speculate.
And not only that...being consistent might help too.
Agreed, Damn it Woot! Sometimes you piss me off! I want this shirt!!!
*Agiels*
emeraldchickpea wrote:How in the world can a third party trademark a piece of "equipment" that does not belong to them nor has it ever belonged to them?
Is this some kind of British thing?
the police boxes hadn't been used in many years and the beeb copyrighted it and the courts agreed that people associated the boxes with Dr Who rather than the police like they used to.
the boxes were phased out in the 70's, so the only one people really see nowadays is the TARDIS.
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shirt = win
rejectionator = fail
Woot = fail
Very disappointing. I was really looking forward to this one, and judging from it's quick rise to the cloud, so were a lot of other people.
If they can make a shirt with a police box and a dolorean they can make this one
treehouse5150 wrote:If they can make a shirt with a police box and a dolorean they can make this one
Have none of you thought that maybe they just don't want TWO Doctor Who related shirts at once? Two is a much bigger liability than one.
Given woot's history, I personally find that way more likely than them having any sense of copyright ethics.
AdderXYU wrote:Have none of you thought that maybe they just don't want TWO Doctor Who related shirts at once? Two is a much bigger liability than one.
Given woot's history, I personally find that way more likely than them having any sense of copyright ethics.
Agreed completely. Also this is the only shirt in this derby I would actually buy; this rejection seriously needs to be reconsidered.
If the woot gods won't take this you should print this design somewhere else cause I think a lot of people want it.
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Maybe the copywrite issue goes back further than we thought...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2982917/Who-painted-the-Dr-in-a-cave-in-5000BC.html
AdderXYU wrote:Have none of you thought that maybe they just don't want TWO Doctor Who related shirts at once? Two is a much bigger liability than one.
Given woot's history, I personally find that way more likely than them having any sense of copyright ethics.
I had, but given that they just said, essentially "sorry, no" without giving a reason, it's hard to tell. If they had bothered to say "too similar to a shirt we sell" I'd disagree, but at least find that to be an acceptable, within the rules reason. And at least somewhat consistent with their bizarre 'similar shirts' rejections in the recent past (which is to say, inconsistent). Generally one finds the "no, we can't run this" on things where woot is feeling like the copyright is gonna bite them in the ass, not enough parody, etc. (in my experience here leastwise).
Which makes a certain fogged design rankle more. Unfortunately, there's precedence for it staying up there. Even if it's over 3 years old - Calvinball in Derby 6.
AdderXYU wrote:Have none of you thought that maybe they just don't want TWO Doctor Who related shirts at once? Two is a much bigger liability than one.
Given woot's history, I personally find that way more likely than them having any sense of copyright ethics.
That still doesn't make sense to me. In the past, when woot feels that it's got more shirts based around one subject than it wants to sell, they solve that by making it a rule in the next derby: "No mario" "No Star Wars" "No bunnies"
Woot's never (to my knowledge) had a rule of "No Doctor Who" or "No British shows" And there isn't a "No Television" rule here now either.
Also, remember that Woot exists to turn a profit. If they have one DW design that's stuck in the recokoning for more than a year, they should guess that another DW design would do well for them also. The fact that the resub fogged very quickly should re-enforce that to them. With the Dalek gone this doesn't break any copyrights. If the tardis shape was copyrighted or tradmarked, the "It came out of nowhere" shirt wouldn't still be available to buy.
It isn't reasonable to me for Woot to have rejected that kind of potential just because "We don't want to have two shirts about the same show."
I agree that Graff should e-mail and ask what the real reason is. Stress that you want to know so you can avoid making the same mistake in the future.
WanderingRaccoon wrote:
Woot's never (to my knowledge) had a rule of "No Doctor Who" or "No British shows" And there isn't a "No Television" rule here now either.
Also, remember that Woot exists to turn a profit. If they have one DW design that's stuck in the recokoning for more than a year, they should guess that another DW design would do well for them also. The fact that the resub fogged very quickly should re-enforce that to them. With the Dalek gone this doesn't break any copyrights. If the tardis shape was copyrighted or tradmarked, the "It came out of nowhere" shirt wouldn't still be available to buy.
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I agree that Graff should e-mail and ask what the real reason is. .
ARRRGG! Yes , Agreed, Woot is here to turn a profit. Not that I am anything to do with woot.
My fault... I'm not being clear. Yes, based on the votes turned in for this shirt Woot would turn a hefty income on it. Dollars! Woot is a commercial enterprise. They would have no problem with having 2 shirts of a similar design if each made them a good profit. They LIKE dollars.
Facts:
1)This shirt has polled exceptionally well.
2)The BBC owns the trademark that is featured on this shirt
3)Woot is here to make a profit
My extrapolation of these facts
1) This shirt would SELL well, and as Woot is here to make a profit then any reason that would stop them marketing it would be around COST, not SALES. (Woot wants to keep their dollars - like me)
2)COST, amongst other things, can consist of production cost (royalties) or contingent liability (Getting your ass potentially litigated).
My initial reaction
1)The BBC owns the rights to the TARDIS image worldwide and no matter how many times people state 'if they did, then Woot would not have done the "came out of nowhere" shirt.'... They do.
2) Graffd02 should be emailing the BBC *NOW* with how well this design has poled. There's little chance of it getting on woot because it seems they don't feel they can print the trademarked image...
... I want the shirt and I'd order it from the BBC ... or woot if the BBC tell 'em ok.
MorbidEclipse wrote:Agreed, Damn it Woot! Sometimes you piss me off! I want this shirt!!!
*Agiels*
Damn the consequences, let's cafepress this thing!
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Damn the consequences, let's cafepress this thing!Damn the consequences, let's cafepress this thing!Damn the consequences, let's cafepress this thing!Damn the consequences, let's cafepress this thing!Damn the consequences, let's cafepress this thing!Damn the consequences, let's cafepress this thing!
MadameNoir wrote:This is a must have.For humanity,as we know it!
GOD, save this shirt.......
Damn the consequences, let's cafepress this thing!
johntracker wrote:Maybe the copywrite issue goes back further than we thought...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2982917/Who-painted-the-Dr-in-a-cave-in-5000BC.html
Holy ^(^*%^%_*& how more topical could this BE! I mean they actually FOUND a cave painting similar to this submission???????
I'd buy it!
MadameNoir wrote:Damn the consequences, let's cafepress this thing!
Aside from the fact that it is the artist's and it's pretty ethically bankrupt to take their work for your enjoyment without their permission - woot still owns the rights for 60 or so days on both of those designs.
emeraldchickpea wrote:Holy ^(^*%^%_*& how more topical could this BE! I mean they actually FOUND a cave painting similar to this submission???????
That article is on The Sun's website though. My understanding from friends who live across the pond is that The Sun is about as journalistically credible as The National Enquirer or some other tabloid.
Darquis wrote:That article is on The Sun's website though. My understanding from friends who live across the pond is that The Sun is about as journalistically credible as The National Enquirer or some other tabloid.
Gotcha. The National Enquirer of my childhood, or the more recent Weekly World News. (I liked the old Enquirer MUCH better! LOL)
emeraldchickpea wrote: or the more recent Weekly World News.
"This paper contains facts. And this paper has the eighth highest circulation in the whole wide world. Right? Plenty of facts. "Pregnant man gives birth." That's a fact."
Never diss the Weekly World News!
emeraldchickpea wrote:Gotcha. The National Enquirer of my childhood, or the more recent Weekly World News. (I liked the old Enquirer MUCH better! LOL)
My picture was in the National Enquirer once when I was a kid. Hrm...maybe that's not really something that one should toss around.
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yeah, I know I've been silent since being rejected... mostly because I didn't want to pound my keyboard and scream verbally... but yeah I can see where Woot is afraid of litigation...
But seriously this is like the 4th time I've made it to the fog and the 3rd time I've been rejected... I'm beginning to think it's that they don't like ME.
I 'almost' wonder if the first shirt "it came out of no where" passed because the box is Labeled 'police box' (object from past by definition) where as this art is generic and there for actually represents the "Tardis"©.
graffd02 wrote:yeah, I know I've been silent since being rejected... mostly because I didn't want to pound my keyboard and scream verbally... but yeah I can see where Woot is afraid of litigation...
But seriously this is like the 4th time I've made it to the fog and the 3rd time I've been rejected... I'm beginning to think it's that they don't like ME.
They don't like you.
But we like you!
tgentry wrote:"This paper contains facts. And this paper has the eighth highest circulation in the whole wide world. Right? Plenty of facts. "Pregnant man gives birth." That's a fact."
Never diss the Weekly World News!
Didn't say I didn't like it...where else would we get our "bat boy" stories?
The old Enquirer wasn't a celeb rag many years ago...was blood, gore, decapitated burned corpses (no, not kidding, still remember that one from when I was in grade school!) and the like. Stuff we'd be unlikely to get to see in print these days.
graffd02 wrote:yeah, I know I've been silent since being rejected... mostly because I didn't want to pound my keyboard and scream verbally... but yeah I can see where Woot is afraid of litigation...
But seriously this is like the 4th time I've made it to the fog and the 3rd time I've been rejected... I'm beginning to think it's that they don't like ME.
I imagine it's frustrating, sure, but if you come up with you own ideas you wouldn't have to worry about tripping up intellectual copyrights.
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i really dont understand woot's reasoning at all! this is just stupid! im really getting tired of coming to this sight and seeing them do one then with one person and then doing the opposite with another. this is such crap!
graffd02 wrote:I had a minor meltdown over my rejection last night... sigh.... then I woke up this morning, looked up Dr Who copyright information, and took the offending Dalek off,, reshaped the rock (thought the other was too big) and re-subbed.
The Police Public call box is public domain.
Everything else on the shirt is stick figures.
Big Blue Box (series 2)
4 colors on Alsphalt
I don't see how It Came Out of Nowhere works but this doesn't...would have really liked to own this. ):
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Sorry you got rejected, but you might want to contact teefury when your hold is up - they seemingly have no problems with copyright issues and you'd get your design back when they were done. I'd say RIPT too, but they just printed http://riptapparel.com/shirt/09/16/2010/whosicle
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Dagnabit!
I love this shirt! BBC, please get a life and let creative people promote your show! I would get 2 of these in a NY minute!
linisnotamggle wrote:I don't see how It Came Out of Nowhere works but this doesn't...would have really liked to own this. ):
Yeah, I agree. Came out of nowhere wasn't even stylized and clearly said Police Public Call Box
Though it is true that the Police Box isn't public domain. It's copyrighted by BBC.
kuhan wrote:Though it is true that the Police Box isn't public domain. It's copyrighted by BBC.
While your first sentence is partially correct, your second is wrong. A generic "Police box" CANNOT be COPYRIGHTED by the BBC. Why? Because they existed prior to the BBC using them. However, a specific instance of a police box (with a specific design variation) could be copyrighted, as that would be new.
It's like the Disney movies based on public domain stories: the stories weren't removed from the public domain just because Disney based films on them; only the specific likenesses and audio and new dialog have protection.
On the other hand, the term "TARDIS" and its likenesses are TRADEMARKs of the BBC.
