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9 strips of bacon and half a pound of beef on a sesame seed bun. Almost gives you a heart attack just looking at it ;)

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Jokes on them. It's a garden burger and turkey bacon.

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Love it, love that it's on red!

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Very clean looking, even with all of the halftones going on.

Cool beans! :^)

Final analysis: no one is more lazy than Ramy Badie[/quote]

While I'm not disagreeing that these characters are drawn strikingly similarly to those other designs... I can't see where they've been lifted verbatim... Care to explain further?

I don't really "get" the concept of this design.... I get it, it's a cheeseburger with bacon and there is a Pig and a Cow... I think it needs a better twist..

.. Perhaps a Cat made into a cheeseburger?... Cheeseburger Cat-tastrophe?? Cat finally haz chzbrgr?

.... meh...

jacknoir wrote:While I'm not disagreeing that these characters are drawn strikingly similarly to those other designs... I can't see where they've been lifted verbatim... Care to explain further?

I don't really "get" the concept of this design.... I get it, it's a cheeseburger with bacon and there is a Pig and a Cow... I think it needs a better twist..

.. Perhaps a Cat made into a cheeseburger?... Cheeseburger Cat-tastrophe?? Cat finally haz chzbrgr?

.... meh...

Boring concept (this has been done a million times... aww we're eating cute!) combined with mashup of two previous designs = boring.

There is no meaningful difference between this and the other tees. It's not like it's the same characters. It's a rehashed concept. And that makes it lazy. Which is what I said.

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Big C little c what begins with C, Crap with Cheesey Concept... C, c, c

Ugh... what a bore... seriously, this is what you worked on??

The only heart attacked I get is the pure lack of effort...

The "god rays" are the most interesting design aspect on this shirt...

The cow and pig are heavily stylized, but to me, they really lack an expression... They look like they're waiting for you to illustrate an expression on their face...

Why not make them looked stunned... or shocked... or with their mouths agape??

Plus... your light source is completely jacked up... I looks like the light is coming from the back of the cheeseburger or the horizon behind said cheeseburger... either way... the drop shadows from the burger, the cow, the pig and the pigs face are really inconsistent...

If the above were dealt with or revised, one might overlook the shoddy, boring concept...

AdderXYU wrote:Boring concept (this has been done a million times... aww we're eating cute!) combined with mashup of two previous designs = boring.

There is no meaningful difference between this and the other tees. It's not like it's the same characters. It's a rehashed concept. And that makes it lazy. Which is what I said.

My bad... I thought you were inferring that the animals had been simply lifted from those other designs, you linked to... my bad.

I agree whole-heartedly... boring "concept", been done to death...

I don't know if it's as much about a lack of respect for the derbies... to me it feels like there is just a complete lack of effort and (worse yet) creativity ...

Sittle pointed out some major flaws with regards to the shadows and light source... that just come across as lazy... pure and simple lazy...

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I think its a pretty interesting and cool design to be honest. Hope it stays in the fold, fog...

sittle wrote:Big C little c what begins with C, Crap with Cheesey Concept... C, c, c

Ugh... what a bore... seriously, this is what you worked on??

The only heart attacked I get is the pure lack of effort...

The "god rays" are the most interesting design aspect on this shirt...

The cow and pig are heavily stylized, but to me, they really lack an expression... They look like they're waiting for you to illustrate an expression on their face...

Why not make them looked stunned... or shocked... or with their mouths agape??

Plus... your light source is completely jacked up... I looks like the light is coming from the back of the cheeseburger or the horizon behind said cheeseburger... either way... the drop shadows from the burger, the cow, the pig and the pigs face are really inconsistent...

If the above were dealt with or revised, one might overlook the shoddy, boring concept...

Great points... The illustration is really inaccurate...

It's like an imitation knock-off Ramyb (if that's possible)...

Sorry Ramy, but this is really sloppy. Perhaps you've simply overlooked some of the basics, like the light source and shadow direction?

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Personally, I think you've captured some nice expressions on their faces.

It's a simple design which I think works well for a t-shirt. The concept comes through immediately, which is more than I can say for other shirts in the fog right now.

The "cute animals eating or witnessing their own kind being eaten" theme has been done a lot, but as long as people still want it, go for it.

jacknoir wrote:Great points... The illustration is really inaccurate...

It's like an imitation knock-off Ramyb (if that's possible)...

Sorry Ramy, but this is really sloppy. Perhaps you've simply overlooked some of the basics, like the light source and shadow direction?

Inconsistancy seems to be a recurring theme of his designs. For example, last week in the Lab Rat design, you could see through to things behind some of the various pieces glassware, but not all of them. The week before the third image of the Calvin & Hobbes design was missing stipes on its leg and the second one was missing a chunk of its tail. And now this, with all the things just mentioned.
It's pretty lazy not to take a last look over a design to fix these kinds of things before submitting.

I want to remind everyone to keep your comments in this thread focused on the design just as you would any other design by any other designer.

Any personal attacks or regurgitation of past discussions will be deleted, possibly with probation.

Thank you!

This design doesn't merit a rejection. It's just boring. There's nothing interesting or funny about it.

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I love bacon cheeseburgers, but this is just too cute! Love the colors and the expression on the cow's face.

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I would have loved this one if it was just the cheeseburger, it's well done and I like the rays behind it. But with the cutesie animals added...I get the message, it just appeals to me less.

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This shirt does make me hungry. You should add Chumpmagic devouring that bad boy right in front of those sad animals' faces

NOoooOoooo!

specsmachine wrote:Jokes on them. It's a garden burger and turkey bacon.

Ah, much better to think of it this way. Especially if it's fakin bacon!

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The question is: is it a small cow or a giant pig?

Earlysong wrote:The question is: is it a small cow or a giant pig?

LOL, wow. I didn't even think about it but that is great question.

Earlysong wrote:The question is: is it a small cow or a giant pig?

Just imagine the size of that burger.

ramyb wrote:9 strips of bacon and half a pound of beef on a sesame seed bun. Almost gives you a heart attack just looking at it ;)

Honestly I have no idea what all you people tater about.. this is VERY well done. VERY VERY nicely shaded and colored with only 6 colors. the expressions on their faces is priceless and i think the shirt itself is hillarious.

if anyone else did this no one would tater. i still dont see why everyone complains at Ramybs stuff. i personally think he's one of the best artists here, and comes up with great ideas fast.

solz22 wrote:Honestly I have no idea what all you people tater about.. this is VERY well done. VERY VERY nicely shaded and colored with only 6 colors. the expressions on their faces is priceless and i think the shirt itself is hillarious.

if anyone else did this no one would tater. i still dont see why everyone complains at Ramybs stuff. i personally think he's one of the best artists here, and comes up with great ideas fast.

I find the shading very inconsistent in this piece, as others pointed out. Especially when you compare the shadows from each object to the shadows around the pig's right ear, it just doesn't seem consistently applied. I admit I found the idea humorous the first time I saw it, but the problem is this isn't the first time I have seen it. This idea has been introduced in previous derbies and on different tee sites (which were linked in the previous derby Ramy had this concept).

As far as the "comes up with great ideas fast" comment, he didn't come up with this idea fast, he recycled this idea from other sources in a previous derby, and now is recycling his previous work into this submission. Just unimpressed and bored with this.

Earlysong wrote:The question is: is it a small cow or a giant pig?

It's a baby cow?

For people who are saying the expressions are excellent...seriously? Have you seen the chibi eyes? Where are the emotions in a white circle?

And how many times are we going to have to see Ramy submit this design or very similar ones? I'm tired of the "Animal sees food!" or "Animal is a cannibal!" shirts.

kc6201 wrote:It's a baby cow?

The cow already has horns. Maybe the pig is Hogzilla.

colinm09 wrote:For people who are saying the expressions are excellent...seriously? Have you seen the chibi eyes? Where are the emotions in a white circle?

And how many times are we going to have to see Ramy submit this design or very similar ones? I'm tired of the "Animal sees food!" or "Animal is a cannibal!" shirts.

What about "Cute thing does something horrific"?

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I have no issue with this shirt. I love bacon cheeseburgers, this shirt is bright, clean, and well done. I am very good at illustrator and photoshop, but could never produce things like Ramy or Walmazan do week in and week out. They are creative and talented, unlike most of you on this board. If you don't like it, don't vote OR produce something yourselves.

Other artists here produce the same style all the time w/o all the flack, so what's the deal? Also, that Ramy does do his work the same just means he is consistent and good. Keep it up RB. Great piece, even if the shading isn't what some people want.

DianaSprinkle wrote:LOL, wow. I didn't even think about it but that is great question.

Actually, I've decided that they are both the size of cats based on the size of the burger. Maybe I'm just no good at perspective.

ThunderThighs wrote:I want to remind everyone to keep your comments in this thread focused on the design just as you would any other design by any other designer.

Any personal attacks or regurgitation of past discussions will be deleted, possibly with probation.

Thank you!

Unfortunately, most people who see these such comments are seeing criticism of Ramy for the first time - clearly evident by the abundance of posts saying "I don't understand why all you people are dissing this shirt design! It's the best evarrrr!!"

So really, what you call "regurgitation of past discussions" I would call giving new visitors to these forums the benefit of knowing the full context of Ramy's latest derby submission.

solz22 wrote:Honestly I have no idea what all you people tater about.. this is VERY well done. VERY VERY nicely shaded and colored with only 6 colors. the expressions on their faces is priceless and i think the shirt itself is hillarious.

if anyone else did this no one would tater.

Please. People tater because it's not a good design. Its colors are solid, but its concept is boring and it's overall just kind of... blah. It's not egregiously, painfully awful, but there is much better work in the fog. The expressions you are referring to are pretty much the same expressions animals have in every single ramyb design, no matter what is happening. Again, people aren't criticizing him. They're criticizing the design, which contains the same problems (not stylistic choices, but problems) his designs tend to have.

Concept and execution. It's not hard to understand. Look at Walmazan's entries, or Tgentry's, or Theinfinityloop's, or Bootsboots', or many more. They're just plain better in many ways.

Don't like it, wouldn't buy it, boring, lazy, cutesy. The only thing going for it is on red. Hell, i'd pay $10 for a blank red shirt before I bought this. Don't understand why it's fogged at all, unless the cutesy minions have been unleashed.

I'm no artist myself but why are the pig and cow shaded with different techniques? Was it on purpose? What was the reason behind it? OR was copy and paste in illustrator that much easier?

Earlysong wrote:The question is: is it a small cow or a giant pig?

Or perhaps it's a huge hamburger!

I swear I've seen the concept for this design somewhere before.....oh wait, its at every single diner or restaurant in America. The image of an animal with it's cooked self has been done to death. Imagine a really happy pig with a chef's hat holding a ham. Now take that whole concept, put it in ramy's usual style, and you got his entry.

mikenytola wrote:Or perhaps it's a huge hamburger!

Why didn't I think of that?!?!?!

stokastik wrote:Unfortunately, most people who see these such comments are seeing criticism of Ramy for the first time - clearly evident by the abundance of posts saying "I don't understand why all you people are dissing this shirt design! It's the best evarrrr!!"

So really, what you call "regurgitation of past discussions" I would call giving new visitors to these forums the benefit of knowing the full context of Ramy's latest derby submission.

Well said.

stokastik wrote:Unfortunately, most people who see these such comments are seeing criticism of Ramy for the first time - clearly evident by the abundance of posts saying "I don't understand why all you people are dissing this shirt design! It's the best evarrrr!!"

So really, what you call "regurgitation of past discussions" I would call giving new visitors to these forums the benefit of knowing the full context of Ramy's latest derby submission.

Exactly, context is everything. Well said, stokastik.

I want to preface this by saying, I saw this shirt and liked it, so I voted for it. In the process, I noticed a very long comment thread and was curious as to what so many people could have to say about this design, so I started to read, and that's when I realized it was a Ramyb shirt.

stokastik wrote:Unfortunately, most people who see these such comments are seeing criticism of Ramy for the first time - clearly evident by the abundance of posts saying "I don't understand why all you people are dissing this shirt design! It's the best evarrrr!!"

So really, what you call "regurgitation of past discussions" I would call giving new visitors to these forums the benefit of knowing the full context of Ramy's latest derby submission.

I'm fairly new here, this is about my fourth week following the derby now, and I've read most of the ramyb debates so far, and never felt compelled to get involved until now.

First off, I think a design should be evaluated solely based on the design itself, provided it is not in direct infringement of the rules or copyright laws. I feel that good designs often get discounted in the derby because they are not a well known artist, and designers current designs are getting criticized based on past work done by the designer.

Besides that, it is unfair to criticize an artist for being "lazy" because they simply weren't able to churn out a completely spectacular design every single week. The time window is very small, approximately 24 hours to develop an idea and bring it through all the phases of completion and turn out a polished drawing. Remember, this is a t shirt design competition, people are not going to be going over your shirt with a fine comb while you wear it complaining about how the shading isn't perfect.

Now I'm not just defending ramyb, I've read some of the debates from the last few derbies, but I think that the criticisms people are making are very unfair. They saw no actual rules that were being broken that they could complain about, somebody said "lazy" and people started to jump on the bandwagon. I don't know how many of you are designers or not, but drawing similar characters is not laziness, it's having a distinctive style, something many artists strive to achieve.

If you don't like a design, either don't vote for it or offer constructive criticism on it, don't make personal attacks.

mindputtee wrote:I want to preface this by saying, I saw this shirt and liked it, so I voted for it. In the process, I noticed a very long comment thread and was curious as to what so many people could have to say about this design, so I started to read, and that's when I realized it was a Ramyb shirt.



I'm fairly new here, this is about my fourth week following the derby now, and I've read most of the ramyb debates so far, and never felt compelled to get involved until now.

First off, I think a design should be evaluated solely based on the design itself, provided it is not in direct infringement of the rules or copyright laws. I feel that good designs often get discounted in the derby because they are not a well known artist, and designers current designs are getting criticized based on past work done by the designer.

Besides that, it is unfair to criticize an artist for being "lazy" because they simply weren't able to churn out a completely spectacular design every single week. The time window is very small, approximately 24 hours to develop an idea and bring it through all the phases of completion and turn out a polished drawing. Remember, this is a t shirt design competition, people are not going to be going over your shirt with a fine comb while you wear it complaining about how the shading isn't perfect.

Now I'm not just defending ramyb, I've read some of the debates from the last few derbies, but I think that the criticisms people are making are very unfair. They saw no actual rules that were being broken that they could complain about, somebody said "lazy" and people started to jump on the bandwagon. I don't know how many of you are designers or not, but drawing similar characters is not laziness, it's having a distinctive style, something many artists strive to achieve.

If you don't like a design, either don't vote for it or offer constructive criticism on it, don't make personal attacks.

You'll get it before long, don't worry. I know that sounds kinda condescending, but it's true. Ramy and Seki get votes from their "fan"atics and new/casual wooters, most people that have been around long enough and follow the derby grow to detest their entries.

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honestly, I think this is awful.

I really think some of ramy's submissions are just blatant thumbing his nose at both wooters and at woot staff.

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I think this is a solid contender for printing, even though it's in red. I don't understand why its receiving negative comments from some folks. Personally I think they're undercover PETA agents, trying to snub your artistic assertion that animals are, in fact, tasty.

viciousspike wrote:I think this is a solid contender for printing, even though it's in red. I don't understand why its receiving negative comments from some folks. Personally I think they're undercover PETA agents, trying to snub your artistic assertion that animals are, in fact, tasty.

If you look back through the derbies you'd see this idea has been done to death over the years, and printed at least twice (fable's carnivorous rabbits & one by ramy, I think with pigs). The design may be a little different each time, but it's the same concept. So while it may seem fresh and interesting to newcomers, it looks like a rehash to others.

jtbradford wrote:If you look back through the derbies you'd see this idea has been done to death over the years, and printed at least twice (fable's carnivorous rabbits & one by ramy, I think with pigs). The design may be a little different each time, but it's the same concept. So while it may seem fresh and interesting to newcomers, it looks like a rehash to others.

Ramy did this with pigs and cows. The pigs were rejected and subsequently removed. The cows never printed, but also were never rejected. So basically this is just a rehash of two of his old designs together.

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This is a hilarious design. If it wins, I will totally buy it. Its about time Woot sells a witty shirt like they used to. I'm sick of all the artsy abstract designs winning.

Tirann wrote:This is a hilarious design. If it wins, I will totally buy it. Its about time Woot sells a witty shirt like they used to. I'm sick of all the artsy abstract designs winning.

WTH are you talking about? From what I've seen, "artsy abstract" designs hardly ever win. It's usually the ones with cute characters that win. And I'd hardly call this shirt "witty."

AdderXYU wrote:Ramy did this with pigs and cows. The pigs were rejected and subsequently removed. The cows never printed, but also were never rejected. So basically this is just a rehash of two of his old designs together.

Just wondering, why were those designs rejected? I actually really like the pigs one. I wouldn't get this one though.

kc6201 wrote:Just wondering, why were those designs rejected? I actually really like the pigs one. I wouldn't get this one though.

The pigs were actually rejected for similar shirts exist, due to the existence of other shirts with pigs eating bacon. Hence, the change to cows eating steak. It had nothing to do with the topic actually.

ramyb wrote:The pigs were actually rejected for similar shirts exist, due to the existence of other shirts with pigs eating bacon. Hence, the change to cows eating steak. It had nothing to do with the topic actually.

I am confused by your last sentence. What had nothing to do with what topic?

Quicksloth wrote:I am confused by your last sentence. What had nothing to do with what topic?

Maybe he meant if wasn't rejected for being off-theme?

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This is terrible ramy, even for your standards. At least in your other five entries about animals and meat I recognized SOME emotion. But the pig is literally just standing there. No emotion whatsoever. The cow might just have SOME feeling but it's very vague and only half of his body is conveying it.

albinoapple wrote:This is terrible ramy, even for your standards. At least in your other five entries about animals and meat I recognized SOME emotion. But the pig is literally just standing there. No emotion whatsoever. The cow might just have SOME feeling but it's very vague and only half of his body is conveying it.

You must be totally blind to subtle detail. While I agree this shirt idea has been done tons of times, there is clearly emotion on the pigs face: The one-eye-larger-than-the-other (commonly used in this style art) and his mouth is open in a bewilderment/shocked fashion. As easy to see as Walmazman's toon expressions? No, but it is there.

After reading the comments I came up with my own conclusion that these shirts are like music. Obviously, not everyone likes the same music. Sooo, change the station or go purchase the music you like/support. Don’t spend your time bashing people who have a following/get votes. Designers don’t support themselves, regular people do, if they like it...well...just let them like it.

Genius. I can think of nothing more clever. I'm surprised nothing like this has shown up on woot before.

if ramy rips something off, complain. if ramy's shading on a hamburger doesnt represent accurate light behavior, just move on. its makes you look more petty than justified.

rogerrogerroger wrote:

if ramy rips something off, complain. if ramy's shading on a hamburger doesnt represent accurate light behavior, just move on. its makes you look more petty than justified.

I used to love Ramys artwork and admire it when I first started here. But he never answered a single one of my comments which upset me.

I am glad that he is answering people now. No body likes to be ignored, especially if they are admiring someone's work, it's just not polite.

I couldn't enjoy a shirt from an artist who had snubbed me. Therefore he lost my votes a long time ago.

capedcrusader514 wrote:Genius. I can think of nothing more clever. I'm surprised nothing like this has shown up on woot before.

capedcrusader514, you are right on point. This is amazing: no one could ever think up something like this ever in the entire existance of humanity! Ramy, you are my favorite original artist. Keep on trucking! How you keep thinking up these brilliant ideas I'll never know! I would love a peek inside your head to see how your creative process works; I'm sure it's a thing to behold.

IndependentVik wrote:capedcrusader514, you are right on point. This is amazing: no one could ever think up something like this ever in the entire existance of humanity! Ramy, you are my favorite original artist. Keep on trucking! How you keep thinking up these brilliant ideas I'll never know! I would love a peek inside your head to see how your creative process works; I'm sure it's a thing to behold.

You two just love to incite the masses, huh?

Mancho wrote:You two just love to incite the masses, huh?

*shrugs*

Jestik wrote:honestly, I think this is awful.

I really think some of ramy's submissions are just blatant thumbing his nose at both wooters and at woot staff.

DIDDO!

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I SERIOUSLY want one of these now!!
In fact I want 2

theistand wrote:I SERIOUSLY want one of these now!!
In fact I want 2

keep your replies relevant to the shirt submission.

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I've seen that same pig and cow doing something similar to a beef steak.

stokastik wrote:Unfortunately, most people who see these such comments are seeing criticism of Ramy for the first time - clearly evident by the abundance of posts saying "I don't understand why all you people are dissing this shirt design! It's the best evarrrr!!"

So really, what you call "regurgitation of past discussions" I would call giving new visitors to these forums the benefit of knowing the full context of Ramy's latest derby submission.

ugh. this is my first time seeing criticism of Ramy and it already reads like regurgitation ... which is actually pretty hilarious considering the main thing you (hypo)critics are picking on is his alleged laziness/lack of originality.

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Is the bacon raw?

I really don't understand all the fuss. I think it looks fantastic. I'd buy it.

As for reusing ideas that are already out there... yes there's something to be said about straight stripping someone else's work. Of course that's wrong.. but I see no harm in putting a personal touch on the idea someone else had, nor with pulling pieces from your own previous works (unless you've sold the rights for said work to someone else). For example, do a search for 'adirondac chair' and look at all the different results. 95% of them look the same, except for maybe slight differences in stain color, grain (per wood used), size.. but the design is basically the same. So, if someone sees a design of animals reacting to the sight of their prepared selves (fish seeing fishsticks?), what's wrong w/ applying the same concept to one's own design, using new colors, characters, drawing styles, etc?

At the end of the day, if you don't like it, you can either offer constructive criticism ("hey, you should try working with that shading a little more; seems a bit off to me"), or ignore it.

DaSwish wrote:I really don't understand all the fuss. I think it looks fantastic. I'd buy it.

As for reusing ideas that are already out there... yes there's something to be said about straight stripping someone else's work. Of course that's wrong.. but I see no harm in putting a personal touch on the idea someone else had, nor with pulling pieces from your own previous works (unless you've sold the rights for said work to someone else). For example, do a search for 'adirondac chair' and look at all the different results. 95% of them look the same, except for maybe slight differences in stain color, grain (per wood used), size.. but the design is basically the same. So, if someone sees a design of animals reacting to the sight of their prepared selves (fish seeing fishsticks?), what's wrong w/ applying the same concept to one's own design, using new colors, characters, drawing styles, etc?

At the end of the day, if you don't like it, you can either offer constructive criticism ("hey, you should try working with that shading a little more; seems a bit off to me"), or ignore it.

A chair is a product. A graphic is not. A shirt is, but a shirt with a graphic on it becomes a canvas for art first and foremost. Art is not about what will sell, and it is pathetic how many people are 100% complacent in this. But this aside, what you are saying is not "these products look the same, so these graphics can". They're apples and oranges. A more legitimate question would be if you bought an Adirondack chair with a specific graphic painted on it, and another chair manufacturer did the same basic graphic.

But past all this, there is the fact (not an opinion unless you enjoy playing fast and loose with morals) that no one SHOULD be trying to remake an Adirondack chair. It's not their product to make. No one has some sort of unalienable right to be able to profit off something. I can profit off art, but I have to make my own art to do it. If someone else has made art, I have no right to make the same basic art and say I put my spin on it, even though I haven't. I need to come up with an idea that has a rather strong sense of parody if I want to argue that route. Otherwise all I am doing is ripping someone off. If that's legal or not is fully meaningless. It's still scummy and sketchy. Supporting it makes the supporter equal scum.

specsmachine wrote:Jokes on them. It's a garden burger and turkey bacon.

Ha ha ha, that turkey bacon. Ha ha, nice one.

AdderXYU wrote: Art is not about what will sell, and it is pathetic how many people are 100% complacent in this.

CUT...PASTE...POST.

jacknoir wrote:Sorry Ramy, but this is really sloppy. Perhaps you've simply overlooked some of the basics, like the light source and shadow direction?

It is a FREKKIN' CARTOON!

I can't believe you people yammering on about light sources and shadows and other BS. It's the end result that matters, not whether or not it would pass ART101.

It's a cute design and it might have been done before, but I don't have anything like it in my closet and if it comes up for sale, I'm totally getting one.

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Am glad that this mashup of two previously unprinted derby shirts didn’t print.

bpr2 wrote:Am glad that this mashup of two previously unprinted derby shirts didn’t print.

bpr2, don't be a jerk.

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i love this shirt!

justintuell wrote:i love this shirt!

thanks justin

justintuell wrote:thanks justin

Talk to yourself much, "Justin"? Or did you forget to log back in with your other account before you replied?