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LOOK at the BONES!!!

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Aside from the obvious, the angle the scythe is at compared to death's hand is really off.

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This looks much better and more polished than your recent stuff. But that said, before the pitchforks start flying, I'd probably wear it, but I'm think that it might get rejected because the bloody bunny is too similar to fablefire's "You Guys have to try this" that Tgentry was warning about and like got rejected in the last derby.

But, you did a great job on the background this time around. Not meaning to sound rude, but the background is a heckuva lot better than many of your entries in the past few months.

Looks like I might have to dodge a few pitchforks now too...ah well.

bluejester wrote:This looks much better and more polished than your recent stuff. But that said, before the pitchforks start flying, I'd probably wear it, but I'm think that it might get rejected because the bloody bunny is too similar to fablefire's "You Guys have to try this" that Tgentry was warning about and like got rejected in the last derby.

But, you did a great job on the background this time around. Not meaning to sound rude, but the background is a heckuva lot better than many of your entries in the past few months.

Looks like I might have to dodge a few pitchforks now too...ah well.

Last time, TGentry explained that he felt there wasn't enough of a concept involved in the design to separate it from the other. The way he explained it, it was just a bunny and some bones and so was the other shirt. I think this one has more than enough to make it a completely different shirt and concept. I'm glad the extra work paid off, this design took freaking forever to finish.

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Red shirt!

Hearts, diamonds, velvet curtains and a little blood. Perfect for this underused shirt color.

::says the guy using asphalt this week::

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The eyes look a lot better than most of your other designs.

You can actually see emotion with the 3 colors... a look of irritation. Justifibly so.

I'm not really a fan of the rest of the design, nothing really to nitpick apart either.

I just wanted to give credit and compliment where it was due.

genericsmith wrote:The eyes look a lot better than most of your other designs.

You can actually see emotion with the 3 colors... a look of irritation. Justifibly so.

I'm not really a fan of the rest of the design, nothing really to nitpick apart either.

I just wanted to give credit and compliment where it was due.

Agreed. Other than the rehashing of Death and bunny together, looks like you actually put in some effort this time.

Johndis5 wrote:Agreed. Other than the rehashing of Death and bunny together, looks like you actually put in some effort this time.

I agree with this.

Spiritgreen wrote:Red shirt!

Yes, indeed. This design looks sharp. I do, however, have a difficult time understanding the premise of the shirt. I presume the rabbit mauled the other animals, but why is it Death's Magic Show? Or am I completely missing the point? I hate it when this happens...

kylemittskus wrote:Aside from the obvious, the angle the scythe is at compared to death's hand is really off.

...wow, people just can't leave this guy alone. I'm not a shirt aficionado, but his design is fine. It's a t-shirt for goodness sake.

yobaker wrote:...wow, people just can't leave this guy alone. I'm not a shirt aficionado, but his design is fine. It's a t-shirt for goodness sake.

If you had looked above, you would have noticed that he thought the shirt was well-done, aside from the shirt's content, a statement which I would certainly agree with.

joemail11 wrote:Yes, indeed. This design looks sharp. I do, however, have a difficult time understanding the premise of the shirt. I presume the rabbit mauled the other animals, but why is it Death's Magic Show? Or am I completely missing the point? I hate it when this happens...

The bunny ate the magician.

cdrewlow wrote:The bunny ate the magician.

Okay...so why is Death there? I mean, if the rabbit ate the magician then I get that, but the overall concept on this is somewhat perplexing to me. Not trying to be deliberately obtuse here.

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profbrendan wrote:Okay...so why is Death there? I mean, if the rabbit ate the magician then I get that, but the overall concept on this is somewhat perplexing to me. Not trying to be deliberately obtuse here.

Death has to send him back, since the magician certainly can't

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If for some reason you do a resub of this, you could put a shadow for the scythe. bugs me a little.

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hey, didn't you (woot) reject edgar for using the wrong shirt color one time? and, like, fifty other people?

-doesn't seem all that fair to them to give him a pass.

Josephus wrote:hey, didn't you (woot) reject edgar for using the wrong shirt color one time? and, like, fifty other people?

-doesn't seem all that fair to them to give him a pass.

We're giving everyone a pass this week. We're trying to get the word out BEFORE we put the hammer down on dozens of entries. This seems like a good way to do it.

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As I was starting my laundry I came to the realization that I can't really wear this shirt. I have that "Vampire Photobooth" from a few months back, but was only allowed to wear it about half an hour around my wife before mid-way through a dinner conversation she looks at me and gives chagrined look and says:

"Umm...I'm sorry honey, but you're shirt is really grossing me out. Would you please change?"

Now I can only wear it on days that she works late or I am hanging out with friends. Sufficed to say, this would likely tip her gross out meter too far.

Regardless, it still is a funny shirt, so I voted for it.

profbrendan wrote:Okay...so why is Death there? I mean, if the rabbit ate the magician then I get that, but the overall concept on this is somewhat perplexing to me. Not trying to be deliberately obtuse here.

Hmm, well Death might have come to pick up the magician's soul and been amused to find the all the destruction was caused by a rabbit.

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I agree that this is a much better Ramyb entry than usual, that said:
- it's still a cute animal
- I have absolutely no clue what's going on

Great use of the red shirt though.

DianaSprinkle wrote:Hmm, well Death might have come to pick up the magician's soul and been amused to find the all the destruction was caused by a rabbit.

That's what I assumed, too. Death does have a quizzical look on his face.

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This shows a nice attention to detail which I appreciate, Ramy. It looks like others do as well. I kinda wished you had more expression with the bunny. You did a great job on that last week. I was kinda hoping you'd continue on that path.

Great halftones, but the bunny is flying or the ripper has glue on his hand because he's not putting any pressure on the rabbit's hears.
(Besides, an almost identical idea was already rejected because of being too similar to a previous shirt)

bluejester wrote:As I was starting my laundry I came to the realization that I can't really wear this shirt. I have that "Vampire Photobooth" from a few months back, but was only allowed to wear it about half an hour around my wife before mid-way through a dinner conversation she looks at me and gives chagrined look and says:

"Umm...I'm sorry honey, but you're shirt is really grossing me out. Would you please change?"

Sorry, bluejester's wife.

It was only a flaming skeleton. :p

cdrewlow wrote:The bunny ate the magician.

Much thanks. I'm a little sick, so I guess my mind can only work through one step today.

Spiritgreen wrote:Sorry, bluejester's wife.

It was only a flaming skeleton. :p

Haha! No probs. I still love the shirt. Just have to be careful when I wear it...
I have to say though it has altered my shirt buying just a bit. I want to wear my shirts in peace and not have the, "I think I'm gonna hurl" look. If it's any help, she had a "That's a little wrong" reaction to Dooomcat's "You weren't Invited" shirt.

Anyways to not totally hijack the thread with my shirt woes:

Again, like the shirt, but sadly can't get if it wins. However, I do have a brother-in-law that is a big Monty Python fan and might snag this up.

profbrendan wrote:Okay...so why is Death there?

That's kind of an issue for me as well. It make's it seem like the overall theme here is his version of Death; however, that is only because I know he has used the Grim Reaper/ bunny combo a few times before. In this case, the background is interchangeable, meaning it could be a construction site with a skeleton, hardhat, work gloves, et cetera... and the concept here would still work.

HOWEVER, if you look at it with fresh eyes, ignoring his past work, it's easy to assume that the bunny is more related to the magician than death.

I too question why death is in there. It would work with out it, and it alludes to a different theme knowing his past work (this doesn't make it rejection worthy... Don't go tattling with my words ). There may be some inner thought that I am missing though... like the Grimm reapers bunny got loose, was picked up by a magician to use in a magical act, the magical act turn into a blood shed, and the Grim reaper appears to collect the dead and and finds his bunny??? ...who knows.

Anyhoo. Good stuff!

chumpmagic wrote:That's kind of an issue for me as well...in this case, the background is interchangeable, meaning it could be a construction site with a skeleton, hardhat, work gloves, et cetera... and the concept here would still work...
I too question why death is in there. It would work with out it, and it alludes to a different theme knowing his past work (this doesn't make it rejection worthy... Don't go tattling with my words ). There may be some inner thought that I am missing though... like the Grimm reapers bunny got loose, was picked up by a magician to use in a magical act, the magical act turn into a blood shed, and the Grim reaper appears to collect the dead and and finds his bunny??? ...who knows.

See, I was thinking along the same lines as you. For one thing, your initial point about the interchangeable concept is completely true. And perhaps this IS supposed to be Death's bunny that mistakenly got used by a magician and is now being retrieved by his rightful owner. I guess my question to Ramy would be, since when does Death have a bunny? I'm not even talking about comedic license here because I have no problem with absurdity (done well), I'm saying there's no establishment of these two characters having any sort of connection. I could even understand the intent if the bunny had maybe a tiny cloak or a scythe or bone hands. ANYTHING to identify it being Death's pet. General carnage doesn't do that.

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Let me just say well done...

profbrendan wrote:See, I was thinking along the same lines as you. For one thing, your initial point about the interchangeable concept is completely true. And perhaps this IS supposed to be Death's bunny that mistakenly got used by a magician and is now being retrieved by his rightful owner. I guess my question to Ramy would be, since when does Death have a bunny? I'm not even talking about comedic license here because I have no problem with absurdity (done well), I'm saying there's no establishment of these two characters having any sort of connection. I could even understand the intent if the bunny had maybe a tiny cloak or a scythe or bone hands. ANYTHING to identify it being Death's pet. General carnage doesn't do that.

I interpreted it more as Death was there because there happened to be carnage in the area, and he was looking for the source of said carnage. Looking around, to his astonishment/puzzlement all that he could find was a blood soaked bunny.

profbrendan wrote:See, I was thinking along the same lines as you. For one thing, your initial point about the interchangeable concept is completely true. And perhaps this IS supposed to be Death's bunny that mistakenly got used by a magician and is now being retrieved by his rightful owner. I guess my question to Ramy would be, since when does Death have a bunny? I'm not even talking about comedic license here because I have no problem with absurdity (done well), I'm saying there's no establishment of these two characters having any sort of connection. I could even understand the intent if the bunny had maybe a tiny cloak or a scythe or bone hands. ANYTHING to identify it being Death's pet. General carnage doesn't do that.

My take:

The Magician accidentally pulled out the rabbit from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" - you know, the one that decapitated several knights before they blew it up with the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. RamyB's comment alludes to this being the case.

Rabbit proceeds to kill EVERYONE.

Death gets called in to reap their souls, and is perplexed that a single rabbit causes the damage.

It's probably true that Death is unnecessary in this picture if you look at it from the POV of concept. But, if he had gone with a rabbit decapitating people, it probably would have been rejected for copyrighted material. Otherwise, if it had been the rabbit eating people, it'd have been rejected for being too close to the aforementioned meat-eating rabbit shirt. By including Death, while it confuses the meaning of the shirt slightly, it allows him to execute his design without risk of it being rejected.

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The curtains are nicely done but the lack of a bottom jaw on Death bothers me.

bluejester wrote:I interpreted it more as Death was there because there happened to be carnage in the area, and he was looking for the source of said carnage. Looking around, to his astonishment/puzzlement all that he could find was a blood soaked bunny.

I'd hardly call that a blood soaked bunny... especially for the carnage.

Makes you wonder how he stayed so neat during the carnage creating... I'm guessing "lobster bib"

:D

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glad to see the two doves/pigeons escaped unscathed lol

genericsmith wrote:I'd hardly call that a blood soaked bunny... especially for the carnage.

Makes you wonder how he stayed so neat during the carnage creating... I'm guessing "lobster bib"

:D

More like human bib, or maybe he licked his chops before Death found him.

bluejester wrote:More like human bib, or maybe he licked his chops before Death found him.

Maybe.

Rabbits clean their fur with their tongues, right? Maybe he's irritated because Death interrupted his bathing time.

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Badass shirt.. I hope this one prints.

phantom240 wrote:Badass shirt.. I hope this one prints.

Forgot to add... Every time I see one of your death/bunny shirts, I can't help but laugh as that scene from Monty Python and The Holy Grail pops into my head.

RUN AWAAAAAAY!

I think it's a cool shirt.

Some of you seem to read into things A LOT more then needed. It's a t-shirt for pete sake.

eh... looks pretty much like his Hallowoot design.
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=46195

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Look like a winner to me.

JRWorkshop wrote:Great halftones, but the bunny is flying or the ripper has glue on his hand because he's not putting any pressure on the rabbit's hears.
(Besides, an almost identical idea was already rejected because of being too similar to a previous shirt)

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=46195
That shirt is closer in concept to this one. However that one didn't print and as it is the same artist I believe a rework is allowed.

ciaranannrach wrote:My take:

The Magician accidentally pulled out the rabbit from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" - you know, the one that decapitated several knights before they blew it up with the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch. RamyB's comment alludes to this being the case.

Rabbit proceeds to kill EVERYONE.

Death gets called in to reap their souls, and is perplexed that a single rabbit causes the damage.

It's probably true that Death is unnecessary in this picture if you look at it from the POV of concept. But, if he had gone with a rabbit decapitating people, it probably would have been rejected for copyrighted material. Otherwise, if it had been the rabbit eating people, it'd have been rejected for being too close to the aforementioned meat-eating rabbit shirt. By including Death, while it confuses the meaning of the shirt slightly, it allows him to execute his design without risk of it being rejected.

Anyone who's had a pet that brought out the statement of "you just HAD to do that, didn't you?" would understand Death's look. ;)

kimvy wrote:Anyone who's had a pet that brought out the statement of "you just HAD to do that, didn't you?" would understand Death's look. ;)

oooo poor rabbit its death must be real close cos it has already lost its shadow lol (hope it is not a vampire rabbit lol)

ChaosDoctor07 wrote:If you had looked above, you would have noticed that he thought the shirt was well-done, aside from the shirt's content, a statement which I would certainly agree with.

You are absolutely right, but I guess the point would be why not combine the two posts and say "It's much better but I think the angle is off" instead of jumping out with the negative immediately.

Personally I agree with Yobaker, this is a t-shirt not a gallery painting.

It has my vote.

snarkygal wrote:Why next time? There was a warning and others have been rejected for this reason. Week after week, Ramy gets special treatment....... This is why people are leaving Travis.

EVERYONE is getting a warning this week. It has nothing to do with any one person. This is a derby wide effort to get everyone up to date.

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You start putting in effort like this more often and your detractors will lose their main talking point. I'm glad to see you are having some good attention to detail here.

Artwork:B+
Concept:C-

When I first saw it I assumed the grim reaper was the one putting on the magic show, and of course if a grim reaper were to pull a bunny out of a hat, it would be fitting if it were a killer bunny. But the dead magician pieces in the background destroy that concept.

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"Darn it, bunny, stop trying to steal my job!"

Nice one. =)

I totally grok this shirt. And, it'd look adorably hot on my wife. Especially when she gets that same expression as the rabbit.

Your cannibal bunny theme (yes I know, it ate the magician not another rabbit this time) is a winner. Keep 'em coming!

My impression of the 'storyline': Death shows up to collect a soul, and curiously discovers an adorably miffed evul bunneh, as the reason for his current appointment.

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Is this the Deja-Vu derby? Cuz I know I've seen this shirt, or the very least the characters, before.

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MINE. death with out a jaw bone is a current fad in the punk goth cliche. besides most skulls are found with out the jaw. Love teh Monty referance. A terry referance would be nice to I love the Death of Rats. anyhoot I love rabbits sooo I want this to be MINE. also love red.

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if this one places i shall buy it too.. last 2 shirts i bought were ramyb winners, so might as well keep up the trend. Great work

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Bunnicula!!

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I think it's awesome, and hope it prints! I'd wear it!

ThunderThighs wrote:This shows a nice attention to detail which I appreciate, Ramy. It looks like others do as well. I kinda wished you had more expression with the bunny. You did a great job on that last week. I was kinda hoping you'd continue on that path.

Agree'd nuf said =)

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you should do more red shirts, i like it. the bg is fantastic. nice job.

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Oh, you guys aren't looking at the obvious for what's going on here.

"Bunny! I loaned you to Steve the Dark Magician because his penguin side-kick was banned from the show! And you go and EAT Steve? How am I going to explain this to his wife, you little rascal?!" *cue laugh track*

bluejester wrote:I interpreted it more as Death was there because there happened to be carnage in the area, and he was looking for the source of said carnage. Looking around, to his astonishment/puzzlement all that he could find was a blood soaked bunny.

The only reason you have to have an interpretation is because there isn't a theme here. As with most of his shirts, the characters are pre-decided and they are shoehorned in to whatever the theme might be by throwing some stuff in the background. When a shirt's on theme there's no need to guess and ponder what it might be, it's readily apparent.

mrwednesday wrote:The only reason you have to have an interpretation is because there isn't a theme here. As with most of his shirts, the characters are pre-decided and they are shoehorned in to whatever the theme might be by throwing some stuff in the background. When a shirt's on theme there's no need to guess and ponder what it might be, it's readily apparent.

I have been thinking about this design and following the different interpretations. And I have to agree. While I think that the attention to detail (the background, for example) is much better than most of Ramy's submissions, the concept really doesn't exist. It's just rehashed characters with rehashed ideas pretzel-ed to fit the theme. I dislike this style so I wouldn't have voted in the first place, but if I were ever to come close to voting, the concept needs to follow the path of the detail here; it needs to be much better. To be fair, I think that most of the shirts in this derby are pretty horrible.

thetrees62 wrote:Is this the Deja-Vu derby? Cuz I know I've seen this shirt, or the very least the characters, before.

I usually try to stay out of these ramyb discussions, and just read them for amusement, but I was impressed by the unusual effort ramyb appears to have put into this entry.

I started to get annoyed though when people kept commenting on how we've seen these characters before... I just wanted to point out that a lot of artists like to have their own characters make repeat appearances too, especially if people seem to like them, and nobody has a problem with that.

megnolia7 wrote:I just wanted to point out that a lot of artists like to have their own characters make repeat appearances too, especially if people seem to like them, and nobody has a problem with that.

Who else uses the exact same characters multiple times?

There is a difference between an artist's style (Edgar, Drakxxx, CD, CMX, etc.) and an artist using the exact same character transplanted into a new theme.

profbrendan wrote:See, I was thinking along the same lines as you. For one thing, your initial point about the interchangeable concept is completely true. And perhaps this IS supposed to be Death's bunny that mistakenly got used by a magician and is now being retrieved by his rightful owner. I guess my question to Ramy would be, since when does Death have a bunny? I'm not even talking about comedic license here because I have no problem with absurdity (done well), I'm saying there's no establishment of these two characters having any sort of connection. I could even understand the intent if the bunny had maybe a tiny cloak or a scythe or bone hands. ANYTHING to identify it being Death's pet. General carnage doesn't do that.

Have you ever owned a rabbit? They are pure evil I tell you... pure evil clothed in fluffiness.

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Does anybody know if the printable half-tones (dots or stripes) as seen here can be done in Corel Draw or if it must be Photoshop? Either way, how do you do it?

tgentry wrote:This is a notice that the shirt color you're using doesn't match the color in our provided template. For future entries please download the latest templates and use the colors provided.

So, I am scratching my head a little. If I use the colors you have on your "submit a daily design" page, they are listed as Pantone colors. But those colors don't necessarily match with the RGB colors from the Derby templates, at least when the templates have been converted from .AI to Corel Draw format. Frankly, those colors seem way off- for lemon I have a really dark blue (R:5, G:0,B:124), and for olive I have a really dark purple (R:163,G:105,B:255). The others match fairly well, I think. I'm using the Pantone colors for now, because I don't think I can trust the template colors with my software, but now I'm afraid that I'll get rejected starting next week. what to do?

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Normally I like ramyb's shirts, but they've been turning me off lately. That includes this one especially. I don't particularly like it.

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Way to step out of your comfort zone. Reaper and a rabbit. Come one, Ramy, do something different. The only things I know you can illustrate are rabbits, reapers, squirrels, and an occasional flowery flowy thingie.

Yeah it wins, but man, don't you want to do something more out of the box. Something that tells people that you are not a one trick pony?

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Assuming this prints (and let's face it, it probably will), and none of the current Ramy/Seki shirts are reckoned next week, that'll be an insane SIX shirts in the Reckoning.

How much of one artist is too much?

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No. No. Why couldn't you draw a magician? Why the reaper again? I'm sorry, this is just so beyond a retread of previous designs, it insults me. And I held out hope...

TheCrowing wrote:Assuming this prints (and let's face it, it probably will), and none of the current Ramy/Seki shirts are reckoned next week, that'll be an insane SIX shirts in the Reckoning.

not that it matters, but i only count four in the reckoning right now...so plus this one if it prints will be 5, right? or am i just not seeing a shirt somewhere.

EDIT: nevermind, found it!, didnt see todays woot =)

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Has anyone really looked at the bones that ramyb pointed out? I'm usually willing to ignore the anatomy of his animals because they're supposed to be cartoony and cutesy anyway, but for some reason the bones are really, really bothering me. They're all way off anatomically and seem to be defying gravity. Especially those ribs. So all the compliments on his attention to detail this time around are kinda baffling me, even though I'll admit it's better than a lot of the stuff he's been putting out recently.

mirumeiku wrote:Has anyone really looked at the bones that ramyb pointed out? I'm usually willing to ignore the anatomy of his animals because they're supposed to be cartoony and cutesy anyway, but for some reason the bones are really, really bothering me. They're all way off anatomically and seem to be defying gravity. Especially those ribs. So all the compliments on his attention to detail this time around are kinda baffling me, even though I'll admit it's better than a lot of the stuff he's been putting out recently.

they wouldn't be off anatomically to a cartoon person, they have different dimensions then actual people. not to mention many people draw bones with the two perfectly round and symmetrical nobs at the end but no bones actually look like that, its just a simplification artists have taken thats become universal. as for the defying gravity, i dont see what you are talking about.

megsck wrote:they wouldn't be off anatomically to a cartoon person, they have different dimensions then actual people. not to mention many people draw bones with the two perfectly round and symmetrical nobs at the end but no bones actually look like that, its just a simplification artists have taken thats become universal. as for the defying gravity, i dont see what you are talking about.

I think the two racks of ribs, as well as the knobby bones, would have to fall over, as there's nothing to hold them in the positions they are in. It does look wrong, but as you say, the people who like this kind of cartoony design don't care that it looks wrong. I can't imagine intentionally drawing something that looks so obviously impossible, myself, but I guess people in that sort of business know what works for them.

Josephus wrote:I think the two racks of ribs, as well as the knobby bones, would have to fall over, as there's nothing to hold them in the positions they are in. It does look wrong, but as you say, the people who like this kind of cartoony design don't care that it looks wrong. I can't imagine intentionally drawing something that looks so obviously impossible, myself, but I guess people in that sort of business know what works for them.

Thank you, this is exactly what I meant. Once I noticed them, I just couldn't unsee them. :p

In response to megsck's comment, with regard to the anatomy, I'm well aware that cartoon bones aren't drawn the same as real human bones, and I don't expect them to be. However, these ribs don't even look like they'd form a ribcage/chest-like shape if put together, and that's what bothers me.

mirumeiku wrote:However, these ribs don't even look like they'd form a ribcage/chest-like shape if put together, and that's what bothers me.

then how did you recognize them as a rib cage? im basically saying that im in the business of making a drawing look good, if my silhouette is off or i need to cheat something to make it more readable or just plain look better ill do it, because im not drawing for text books, im drawing for visual pleasure for my eye. if the bones were lying flat you wouldnt read them as bones as easily or as fast.

not saying that you shouldnt be bothered by it, im just trying to explain why he might of, or why i would have, drawn them the same way.

megsck wrote:then how did you recognize them as a rib cage? im basically saying that im in the business of making a drawing look good, if my silhouette is off or i need to cheat something to make it more readable or just plain look better ill do it, because im not drawing for text books, im drawing for visual pleasure for my eye. if the bones were lying flat you wouldnt read them as bones as easily or as fast.

not saying that you shouldnt be bothered by it, im just trying to explain why he might of, or why i would have, drawn them the same way.

well, they could have been drawn like this. this took about 5 minutes, but I think you can tell it's a rib cage and one of those accepted icons for real bones. With a little shining up, it would have been more identifiable than the thing that's there now, and not defied gravity at all.

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I want this t-shirt. Please.

Josephus wrote:well, they could have been drawn like this. this took about 5 minutes, but I think you can tell it's a rib cage and one of those accepted icons for real bones. With a little shining up, it would have been more identifiable than the thing that's there now, and not defied gravity at all.

This. Exactly. Props for the perfect illustration. I recognized ramyb's ribs as being ribs because that's the only place in the body where bones are lined up like that. Doesn't mean it couldn't have easily been done better. Not too long ago, someone gave me a stuffed animal with a mashed face, misaligned eyes and whiskers, and a crooked nose. It looks not just a little Lamuellan. I recognized it as a cat, but that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with it.

*edit* LOL, didn't realize I would get automatically censored for calling my stuffed cat mentally r*****ded.

mirumeiku wrote:Has anyone really looked at the bones that ramyb pointed out? I'm usually willing to ignore the anatomy of his animals because they're supposed to be cartoony and cutesy anyway, but for some reason the bones are really, really bothering me. They're all way off anatomically and seem to be defying gravity. Especially those ribs. So all the compliments on his attention to detail this time around are kinda baffling me, even though I'll admit it's better than a lot of the stuff he's been putting out recently.

Now that you point that out, it's impossible to unsee how sloppy and nonsensical the shadow placements and glove dimensions are. The skull doesn't have the dimensional appearance of being behind that hat, but instead appears to be sitting on top of it. I initially agreed with the comments about his work looking better this time, but only because I hadn't actually bothered to examine it. This is the first time so many minor details (as in, not a cute animal and a single prop) have been put in, but that doesn't mean he paid attention to detail. It just means that there is detail that was slapped together and put in there.

mirumeiku wrote:Has anyone really looked at the bones that ramyb pointed out? I'm usually willing to ignore the anatomy of his animals because they're supposed to be cartoony and cutesy anyway, but for some reason the bones are really, really bothering me. They're all way off anatomically and seem to be defying gravity. Especially those ribs. So all the compliments on his attention to detail this time around are kinda baffling me, even though I'll admit it's better than a lot of the stuff he's been putting out recently.

Thank you. That is why I was confused earlier in the thread. I thought that perhaps the magician had a pig or something in the show.

They still serve their purpose though, so it's hard to be critical of them, the ribs, that is.

I'm not usually a fan of Ramy's typical style, but this shirt was *almost* enough to make me like it. I like the red shirt, I like Death's expression, I like the general idea, even if it does only barely fits into the theme.

The thing that is really bugs me is that bunny's ears. Someone up above mentioned that it looks like the bunny is just floating, and Death just happens to be holding his hand in that general area. I agree with that assessment. It doesn't look as if any pressure is being put on the ears at all, and they sort of appear as if they aren't really part of the bunny. I'm not an artist myself by any means, so I can't really say what's wrong with them, they just look out of place to me.

Re: The wrong rabbit for the show

I actually liked this one until I looked closer and saw all the little things. The ribs especially bother me, but I still voted for it because it reminds me of one of my favorite poems from childhood, "Sybil the Magician's Last Show," from Shel Silverstein's Falling Up.

Magical Sybil was much too cheap
To buy her rabbit a carrot.
He grew so thin, just bones and skin,
So starved he couldn't bear it --
And so, as she reached into her hat
To grab him by the ears,
She felt a tug, she felt a pull,
And WHAP -- she disappeared,
"The greatest act we've ever seen,"
We cheered for Magical Sybil.
But all that remained was a hat and a cape
And the sound of a bunny
Goin', "Nibble...nibble...nibble."

Re: The wrong rabbit for the show
its quite a slim rabbit if it ate a whole human lol
did it eat all his clothes too apart from one glove and a hat?

Re: The wrong rabbit for the show

um... what are the birds doing?

megadog wrote:Re: The wrong rabbit for the show

glad to see the two doves/pigeons escaped unscathed lol

i think there were three. unless that thing behind the, i assume, ribcage pieces is another glove. i can't really tell.

megadog wrote:Re: The wrong rabbit for the show
its quite a slim rabbit if it ate a whole human lol
did it eat all his clothes too apart from one glove and a hat?

That's a good point.

ragemonkey wrote:i think there were three. unless that thing behind the, i assume, ribcage pieces is another glove. i can't really tell.

erm might be a dead dove/pigeon but its got a long shadow lol

Putting brain into gear lol
Why did the doves/pigeons not fly away earlier? - while rabbit was supposedly eating the magician - bird brains lol

kylemittskus wrote:Who else uses the exact same characters multiple times?

There is a difference between an artist's style (Edgar, Drakxxx, CD, CMX, etc.) and an artist using the exact same character transplanted into a new theme.

Ummm, you mean like Drakxxx and the NUMEROUS "Cthulhu" shirts floating around the internet (and here):

...Cthulhu as an audio tape
...Cthulhu as the whale vs. Captain Ahab
...Cthulhu baking cookies
...Cthulhu hovering over HP Lovecraft
...Ceiling Cthulhu
...Miskatonic Book Club Cthulhu

I'm sure there's more but I think I've proven my point. Try googling Drakxxx + Cthulhu sometime...

It's nothing personal against Drakxxx. You brought him into this argument. I happen to like his style but he does have a fascination with Cthulhu. If you're calling out Ramby on something than let's use the same measuring stick for others.

DoublEE wrote:Ummm, you mean like Drakxxx and the NUMEROUS "Cthulhu" shirts floating around the internet (and here):

...Cthulhu as an audio tape
...Cthulhu as the whale vs. Captain Ahab
...Cthulhu baking cookies
...Cthulhu hovering over HP Lovecraft
...Ceiling Cthulhu
...Miskatonic Book Club Cthulhu

I'm sure there's more but I think I've proven my point. Try googling Drakxxx + Cthulhu sometime...

It's nothing personal against Drakxxx. You brought him into this argument. I happen to like his style but he does have a fascination with Cthulhu. If you're calling out Ramby on something than let's use the same measuring stick for others.

Oh, hey now...

I think you misunderstood, and as a result, you straightened his point. Each one of those characters is completely different. Each one is a new character, a new rendition (and in some cases, a completely new style). The ceiling and ahab ones are close, but not close enough to be targeted like this... It's a far fetched analogy in my opinion.

chumpmagic wrote:Oh, hey now...

I think you misunderstood, and as a result, you straightened his point. Each one of those characters is completely different. Each one is a new character, a new rendition (and in some cases, a completely new style). The ceiling and ahab ones are close, but not close enough to be targeted like this... It's a far fetched analogy in my opinion.

No difference for me. Drakxxx recycling of the Cthulhu character is not that different than what RamyB does. In fact, I could make a case that at least RamyB's characters are original creations vs. the Cthulhu being "lifted" from Lovecraft. Listen, I'm not a big RamyB fan. I own one of his shirts and rarely vote for him in the derby. What's downright tiring is the same people constantly going over every freakin' RamyB entry with a fine-tooth comb while not holding the other "chosen ones" to the same standards.

DoublEE wrote: What's downright tiring is the same people constantly going over every freakin' RamyB entry with a fine-tooth comb while not holding the other "chosen ones" to the same standards.

For the record, I did not choose Drakxxx. I heard he's a MOT so blame that one on God...

In seriousness, I don't own one Drakxxx shirt and rarely vote for his submissions.

DoublEE wrote:No difference for me. Drakxxx recycling of the Cthulhu character is not that different than what RamyB does. In fact, I could make a case that at least RamyB's characters are original creations vs. the Cthulhu being "lifted" from Lovecraft. Listen, I'm not a big RamyB fan. I own one of his shirts and rarely vote for him in the derby. What's downright tiring is the same people constantly going over every freakin' RamyB entry with a fine-tooth comb while not holding the other "chosen ones" to the same standards.

I guess we don't see eye to eye which is completely natural. I honestly don't feel its recycling for the reasons I stated above.

Also, since I decided jump in this, I will add that I don't have any issues with people recycling characters. It does get old when people abuse them, but as an artist, I know that if I create a character I like and I am proud of, I am tempted to stick him/her/it in everywhere.

chumpmagic wrote:I guess we don't see eye to eye which is completely natural. I honestly don't feel its recycling for the reasons I stated above.

Also, since I decided jump in this, I will add that I don't have any issues with people recycling characters. It does get old when people abuse them, but as an artist, I know that if I create a character I like and I am proud of, I am tempted to stick him/her/it in everywhere.

Is it kevlar51 (or something like that) with the Victorian robot? I like the Victorian robot.

Also, Drakxxx isn't re-using Cthulhu in the same sense ramyb re-uses his characters. Drawing the same concept different ways is hardly re-using.

And as for ramyb, that is how he draws Death, and bunnies, and turtles (at least for submission purposes). Are they really "characters?" I see no problem with his use of them (week after week after week), but it grows tiresome. That is a compliment to his buisiness sense, by the way.

Hey ramy, why don't you start your own website? I bet you would make more money that way. Think about it, you could draw a new bunny shirt and print it EVERY DAY if you wanted. I dunno, give it some thought...?

x3xleggedxninja wrote:Hey ramy, why don't you start your own website? I bet you would make more money that way. Think about it, you could draw a new bunny shirt and print it EVERY DAY if you wanted. I dunno, give it some thought...?

I don't really thing the money would be there

He makes a design for woot... he gets a thousand dollars plus reckoning sales.

If he made his own site he'd have to pay the cost of printing the shirt, sending the shirt, etc... He'd have to sell a LOT more shirts to get to the thousand dollar mark.

It'd also take a LOT more effort.

PLUS

I know there are a LOT of Ramy fans on woot, but how many would regularly buy Ramy shirts at 15-20 bucks a pop? Sure some ramy shirts last a while on the reckoning, but they spending a lot of time barely staying alive.

Re: The wrong rabbit for the show

Aside from the obvious re-hashing of stale ideas, death's grip on the Bunnies ears is waaay too lose for me. I can only assume the same people keep buying all of Ramby's shirts? Don't you have enough of the cute character murders something type shirts?

joemail11 wrote:Is it kevlar51 (or something like that) with the Victorian robot? I like the Victorian robot.

Rogerrogerroger has the Victorian robot; Rglee has the awesome robot that never f*%&^ing wins.

kylemittskus wrote:Rogerrogerroger has the Victorian robot; Rglee has the awesome robot that never f*%&^ing wins.

I meant this one.

Don't forget Kenney9226's lips.

cdrewlow wrote:Don't forget Kenney9226's lips.

Kenny is a completely different story.

kylemittskus wrote:Kenny is a completely different story.

Is he? Sorry.

DoublEE wrote:Ummm, you mean like Drakxxx and the NUMEROUS "Cthulhu" shirts floating around the internet (and here):

...Cthulhu as an audio tape
...Cthulhu as the whale vs. Captain Ahab
...Cthulhu baking cookies
...Cthulhu hovering over HP Lovecraft
...Ceiling Cthulhu
...Miskatonic Book Club Cthulhu

I'm sure there's more but I think I've proven my point. Try googling Drakxxx + Cthulhu sometime...

It's nothing personal against Drakxxx. You brought him into this argument. I happen to like his style but he does have a fascination with Cthulhu. If you're calling out Ramby on something than let's use the same measuring stick for others.

Same mythos, but they each look DIFFERENT.

For being the Grim Reaper, he doesn't exactly have a death grip on that rabbit's ears.

Re: The wrong rabbit for the show

You know, I've always been a ramy fan, but this is just terrible. I mean, I absolutley love the cute fluffy animals that you usually do but please do something else other then death and bunnies for a bit. Please?

ramyb wrote:LOOK at the BONES!!!

so... you find it funny that your design is flawed?

kylemittskus wrote:Kenny is a completely different story.

apparently woot's been blocked at kenny's job, so he's unable to play.

omninull wrote:Same mythos, but they each look DIFFERENT.

Oh, I see. Same crutches, different walking style.

Re: The wrong rabbit for the show

I want one! That bunny is gorgeous.

Josephus wrote:apparently woot's been blocked at kenny's job, so he's unable to play.

Awww man....

That's too bad. I know they were corny and not that good, but I have to say it always gave me a laugh seeing how he'd wedge those pucker lips into almost any situtation.

omninull wrote:Same mythos, but they each look DIFFERENT.

And for every Cthulhu shirt Drakxxx/CD make, there's many they make that don't feature him. Like their two incredible submissions this week that'll probably lose to Ramy's Rabbit Part XXXXXXVI.

joemail11 wrote:I meant this one.

Thanks for sticking up for me

DoublEE wrote:Oh, I see. Same crutches, different walking style.

Okay, let's play this game.

Of the six designs you mentioned, five have been submitted to Shirt.Woot, and only three have printed (of a total of eighteen), over the course of the artist's career, which, if Shirt.What can be believed, started in September of 2008, and basic investigation shows that none have sold beyond four thousand, if even that much.

Ramy has submitted nine designs since November of 2008 where rabbits were the primary focal point and seven designs where a death character was the focal point, and Grim Optimism alone sold nearly nine thousand units. Six total of these designs have printed, of a total of thirty three prints.

So,

1.) In a shorter amount of time, Ramy has submitted nearly three times the amount of designs (thirteen focusing on a rabbit, death, or both) to Woot than Drakxxx based on the offending material,

2,) Though by only three, Ramy has won more often than Drakxxx with these repeated characters (six to three),

3.) Drakxxx has submitted a shirt using these characters about once every six months; Ramy has submitted one about every nine weeks,

4.) Ramy has, with one shirt, sold more than double most of Drakxxx's sales (and in many cases more than triple), and

5.) in terms of overall derby prints, Ramy has printed nearly double the amount of times Drakxxx has.

Now, I have no vested interest in Ramy printing or not printing, but if you're going to argue that Drakxxx needs to be held to the same level of scrutiny as Ramy, it's important you have all of the numbers to work with, if only for perspective. Enjoy.

IgnatiusRiley wrote:Ramy's Rabbit Part XXXXXXVI.

The discussion is over, so I can be extremely rude:

It's LXVI.

Re: The wrong rabbit for the show

Message to the pedants nitpicking irrelevant details: Seriously people, dub tee eff.
If you can't bring valid constructive criticism, don't post. All this "the arms are wrong, the angle is off, the shadow blah blah, squirrels don't get rabies, etc." makes you look petty and bitter.

Re: The wrong rabbit for the show

It's just a rabbit