Derby #194: Science Fair

Experimental Fail

Animal mutation/radioactivity/poisoning experiments are not middle school level experiments (where we to school)

Rejected because: Animal mutation/radioactivity/poisoning experiments are not middle school level experiments (where we to school)

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ramyb


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Re: Experimental Fail


This is why kids shouldn't be allowed to experiment on their pets (or watch TV for that matter).

jackmando7


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ramyb wrote:This is why kids shouldn't be allowed to experiment on their pets (or watch TV for that matter).


TMNT is a video game, remember?

sandwichapocalypse


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lol oh wow, thats great

capedcrusader514


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jackmando7 wrote:TMNT is a video game, remember?


There is certainly a precedent set for that. We will see how strongly they stick to that.

Biffo


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Re: Experimental Fail


How is cruelty to animals funny?

ramyb


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capedcrusader514 wrote:There is certainly a precedent set for that. We will see how strongly they stick to that.


There is actually a very strong precendent set against that. I believe there was one entry long ago that was rejected, people made a big stink about it, and no others have been rejected since.

IndependentVik


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capedcrusader514 wrote:There is certainly a precedent set for that. We will see how strongly they stick to that.


Oh yea, b/c there's nothing if not consistent enforcement of the rules 'round these parts. Quick, look away while I'm still keeping a straight face . . .

capedcrusader514


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ramyb wrote:There is actually a very strong precendent set against that. I believe there was one entry long ago that was rejected, people made a big stink about it, and no others have been rejected since.


I know the incident in questions and I remember the controversy that was spawned. I can't think of any precedents to counter that incident... Prove me wrong, I'm quite interested.

be10der2me


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Re: Experimental Fail


Tsk tsk- this won't fly!
Why didn't you do little Einstein with an E= MC4 diorama?

ramyb


quality posts: 20 Private Messages ramyb
capedcrusader514 wrote:I know the incident in questions and I remember the controversy that was spawned. I can't think of any precedents to counter that incident... Prove me wrong, I'm quite interested.


I know there were at least 2 others but I can't remember what derbies they were in- here are two that I found though

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=49558
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=50637

Johndis5


quality posts: 3 Private Messages Johndis5
Re: Experimental Fail


Because Mutant forming ooze is found all over middle school science fairs all of the time.

And also TMNT? Seriously?

capedcrusader514


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ramyb wrote:I know there were at least 2 others but I can't remember what derbies they were in- here are two that I found though

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=49558
http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=50637


You are correct. We'll see what happens. I'm sure you're in the clear.

Spiritgreen


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Re: Experimental Fail


Always read the label.

C'mon, kid scientists! I know you want real ninja turtles but there's a skull and crossbones right there on the bottle. Sheesh.

:^)

lunadust12


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while not a ramy fan, tmnt was not originally a video game so i'm not sure if that counts?

bluejester


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It's funny, and I'd get it, but I think that the looks on the dead turtles might cross the the "No anthro-ed animals" rule. The living ones however, are pretty good in the non-expressive criteria.

Assassin15


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Johndis5 wrote:Because Mutant forming ooze is found all over middle school science fairs all of the time.


I think the joke is that the kid put some poison on the turtles hoping it would be mutant forming ooze. But it turned out it was just regler ole poison.

PULL UP YOUR SKIRT, WE'RE ON A MISSION/
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bassanimation


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Johndis5 wrote:Because Mutant forming ooze is found all over middle school science fairs all of the time.


Our middle school tried to keep the mutant ooze confined to the cafeteria.

Johndis5


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Assassin15 wrote:I think the joke is that the kid put some poison on the turtles hoping it would be mutant forming ooze. But it turned out it was just regler ole poison.


I can see the joke now, but I don't think you'd find actual poison in a middle schoolers science supplies either.

taternuggets


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Re: Experimental Fail


Are we in reruns?


Nothing follows.

HeartlineTwist


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Assassin15 wrote:I think the joke is that the kid put some poison on the turtles hoping it would be mutant forming ooze. But it turned out it was just regler ole poison.


Which doesn't exactly answer the actual point of his post, which was essentially "why does a middle schooler have access to poison for a science experiment".

I'm pretty sure everyone gets the "joke".

ramyb


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HeartlineTwist wrote:Which doesn't exactly answer the actual point of his post, which was essentially "why does a middle schooler have access to poison for a science experiment".

I'm pretty sure everyone gets the "joke".


There are plenty of poisons readily available to children in every household.

Johndis5


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HeartlineTwist wrote:Which doesn't exactly answer the actual point of his post, which was essentially "why does a middle schooler have access to poison for a science experiment".

I'm pretty sure everyone gets the "joke".


Assassin responded to my first point appropriately. I didn't immediately see the joke, I admit it.

My second point about the poison still stands.

megadog


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ramyb wrote:There are plenty of poisons readily available to children in every household.


they may be available in many households - but I am sure schools have more stringent regulations to follow.

ramyb


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megadog wrote:they may be available in many households - but I am sure schools have more stringent regulations to follow.


I did all of my science fair projects at home- We had to complete our experiments outside of school time and then bring in a poster board and present our findings.

bluejester


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ramyb wrote:There are plenty of poisons readily available to children in every household.


Act now!! Supplies are low! And, if you order now you'll get this handy tote-bag to carry them all in!

j/k and ribbing you a bit. It's just my humor is really weird today and what you said sounded like an infomercial line.

But the point is a valid one. If it ain't out of reach or locked away then kids think it's fair game people. I don't have kids yet, but I remember the rules. If I can reach it, it's mine!

Johndis5


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ramyb wrote:I did all of my science fair projects at home- We had to complete our experiments outside of school time and then bring in a poster board and present our findings.


Ok, but did you see a lot of people reporting on the results of poisoning their pets? Regardless of what you did at home or school, the fact is, poison is not something you'd find at a middle school science fair. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that animal + poison experiments are reserved for the big league scientists in the pharmaceutical and cosmetic fields.

megadog


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ramyb wrote:I did all of my science fair projects at home- We had to complete our experiments outside of school time and then bring in a poster board and present our findings.


Point taken, I am not from US we don't do 'science fairs' where i live.

DianaSprinkle


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taternuggets wrote:Are we in reruns?


The idea behind the two shirts is pretty different. This shirt's joke seems to be just the opposite of that one... "The epic ends" as it were.

Also if we're talking similar concepts, this shirt was waaaayyyyyy closer. But in a completely different style.

mikenytola


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Johndis5 wrote:I can see the joke now, but I don't think you'd find actual poison in a middle schoolers science supplies either.

Anybody looking for realism in t-shirts is on the wrong web page by far.

mikenytola


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Kind of a bad reason to reject it. I think similar shirts exists fits a lot better. More like "rejection fail" imo.

"Animal mutation/radioactivity/poisoning experiments are not middle school level experiments (where we to school)"

And all of the other derby entries are experiments where you went to school? Kissing frogs? Pouring the sky out of a jar? Using a blender to blend birds for colors? Plants with tongues? Mutation/radioactivity/poisoning to create the Hulk? Testing magnets on chicks? etc. etc. etc.

be10der2me


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Johndis5 wrote:Ok, but did you see a lot of people reporting on the results of poisoning their pets? Regardless of what you did at home or school, the fact is, poison is not something you'd find at a middle school science fair. I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that animal + poison experiments are reserved for the big league scientists in the pharmaceutical and cosmetic fields.


One more gargleblaster! We used Mercury to float a 50cent piece in 4th grade! We used our BARE FINGERS to try and sink the money!
Are you kidding? Poisoning pets is least on your schools agenda!
School science labs are the LEAST safe place for your children!

mikenytola


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be10der2me wrote:One more gargleblaster! We used Mercury to float a 50cent piece in 4th grade! We used our BARE FINGERS to try and sink the money!
Are you kidding? Poisoning pets is least on your schools agenda!
School science labs are the LEAST safe place for your children!

Wait wait wait... you mean formaldehyde isn't safe to drink???

megsck


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mikenytola wrote:Kind of a bad reason to reject it. I think similar shirts exists fits a lot better. More like "rejection fail" imo.

"Animal mutation/radioactivity/poisoning experiments are not middle school level experiments (where we to school)"

And all of the other derby entries are experiments where you went to school? Kissing frogs? Pouring the sky out of a jar? Using a blender to blend birds for colors? Plants with tongues? Mutation/radioactivity/poisoning to create the Hulk? Testing magnets on chicks? etc. etc. etc.


i agree with this, that is a horrible reason to reject with so many other entries having similar subject matter. it seems more of a hasty rejection because they just dont like it. i would resub ramyb, because the rejectioner needs to pay more attention sometimes.

tgentry


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mikenytola wrote:
And all of the other derby entries are experiments where you went to school? Kissing frogs? Pouring the sky out of a jar? Using a blender to blend birds for colors? Plants with tongues? Mutation/radioactivity/poisoning to create the Hulk? Testing magnets on chicks? etc. etc. etc.


Sky in a jar is a real middle school level experiment.

Blending birds, while not a real experiment (hopefully), is an experiment based on the color spectrum, which is middle school level science.

The plants with tongues entry is framed around a common middle school plant growth experiment, presumably gone awry. But there's no indication that the purpose of the experiment was something beyond a middle school science level.

The "Hulk" kid seems to be working on some kind of generic chemistry experiment and nothing suggests that it's past a middle school level of expertise.

Whatever the hypothesis the girl kissing frogs has, it's not above a middle school level and she's clearly at a science fair trying to prove it.

All of those can be seen as middle school level science, whether real or imaginary, while purposefully researching animal mutation via radioactive material is not. Per the derby rules: Keep it at a level you would expect walking into a grade school gym to judge a kid's experiment. Radioactivity's effects on animal mutation, which is what this experiment appears to be about, is not at that level. Hope this helps explain.

cyberentity


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Love this one. Didn't think it should have been rejected. Could have potentially been a failed Middle School experiment.

megsck


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tgentry wrote:
All of those can be seen as middle school level science, whether real or imaginary, while purposefully researching animal mutation via radioactive material is not. Per the derby rules: Keep it at a level you would expect walking into a grade school gym to judge a kid's experiment. Radioactivity's effects on animal mutation, which is what this experiment appears to be about, is not at that level. Hope this helps explain.


i understand what your thinking was, but i just wanted to point out that middle school kids are who TMNT was made for. They would be their core demographic, meaning that this particular middle school kid maybe is a SUPER TMNT fan. so saying that, i think its totally plausible that a middle school kid got it in his head that if he poured green goo (probably some antifreeze found in his parents garage) over his pet turtles they might turn into mutants. he definitely wouldnt win any awards in the science fair, but i feel its conceivable in the context of this derby that a kid might try it.

the joke here is that the kid thought it would work, but since this is the real world and not a cartoon, the turtles die. i think that is completely something that could happen.

nickthedino


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Seriously? You're looking at this radioactive mutation way too deeply. I believe that this shirt is a lot like The Prince Charming Theorem. A kid has seen something in a cartoon or movie and is simply trying to recreate it in his or her science project.

It's not that hard to imagine that a kid would grab whatever bottle of substance he could find and throw it in a tank of turtles in hopes to create is cartoon heroes.

I find it hard to believe that this rejection was nothing more than a cheap attempt to remove ramyB from this derby.

ramyb


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tgentry wrote:Sky in a jar is a real middle school level experiment.

Blending birds, while not a real experiment (hopefully), is an experiment based on the color spectrum, which is middle school level science.

The plants with tongues entry is framed around a common middle school plant growth experiment, presumably gone awry. But there's no indication that the purpose of the experiment was something beyond a middle school science level.

The "Hulk" kid seems to be working on some kind of generic chemistry experiment and nothing suggests that it's past a middle school level of expertise.

Whatever the hypothesis the girl kissing frogs has, it's not above a middle school level and she's clearly at a science fair trying to prove it.

All of those can be seen as middle school level science, whether real or imaginary, while purposefully researching animal mutation via radioactive material is not. Per the derby rules: Keep it at a level you would expect walking into a grade school gym to judge a kid's experiment. Radioactivity's effects on animal mutation, which is what this experiment appears to be about, is not at that level. Hope this helps explain.


I think you are missing the point here- this is not a mutation experiment. The turtles are dead. What age group would you expect to be Jatravartid enough to carry out this experiment? And for the record, erlenmeyer flasks and test tube racks are not what you would find in middle school science. And what do you think that green liquid is?

mailmanmo


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Yep cos we all remember the experiments with the time warping, lemon sucking mice in school. And woot, with the incredible ability to shove its head up its own ass, despite that impossibly large stick up there already.

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