Derby #194: Science Fair
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midgerock


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My science project for the fair is the reaction of mentos and diet coke... and why the attraction as well?

I have to admit I wasn't too excited about this week's theme. I had worked on one design but then I fell out of love with it. Not until the image of a tiny minty candy climbing a ladder into a 2 liter of cola popped in my head I was gonna pass this week's derby. Is the idea of mentos and diet coke all over the web. Yes it is with videos upon videos recording the reactions when combined. As to shirts there are some out there but not in comparison of what I put together here. I think this design is just bizarre and leaves you questioning "why?" "Why is this little guy wanting to climb and jump in the coke?" We may never know. I hope that mystery and weirdness of no answer attracts you as well to this design.
Thanks for the support and definitely open to critique and feedback.

djtheatre


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Love it. Voted!

Johndis5


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I can't help but ask, after seeing you complain about certain other artists using rehashed unoriginal designs just to win. Then you turn around and do an uninspired d20 design followed by what might be the most overdone thing in the universe, mentos and diet cola?

midgerock


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Johndis5 wrote:I can't help but ask, after seeing you complain about certain other artists using rehashed unoriginal designs just to win. Then you turn around and do an uninspired d20 design followed by what might be the most overdone thing in the universe, mentos and diet cola?


Thank you for taking the time to check out my design. I appreciate your feedback. I believe what complaints that you are previously mentioning had nothing to do with rehashed unorginal designs. I believe my previous complaints had more to do with the misinformed aspect of someone cheating. I understand how that could be confusing for since they sometimes go hand in hand but as to the my designs being unoriginal and uninspired and overdone, I am glad we live in a reality where each individual has their own subjective reality. Thanks again for your feedback.

bassanimation


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midgerock wrote:Thank you for taking the time to check out my design. I appreciate your feedback. I believe what complaints that you are previously mentioning had nothing to do with rehashed unorginal designs. I believe my previous complaints had more to do with the misinformed aspect of someone cheating. I understand how that could be confusing for since they sometimes go hand in hand but as to the my designs being unoriginal and uninspired and overdone, I am glad we live in a reality where each individual has their own subjective reality. Thanks again for your feedback.


This is very cute, Midgerock. I havent liked many of the previous Mentos/Coke designs, but I like the layout of this. The color choices also give it a kind of retro feel. Looks very good on the shirt.

As for the concept, it is not new, but it is very well known as a sort of kids' science experiment thing. Part of getting appeal here is touching on something people find familiar. Not many people will relate to an obscure scientific reference. I think you did a good job with the concept and Wooters will enjoy it .

megsck


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i like it, maybe mostly because its odd =) it looks cool on the shirt, and i think that is pretty important =)

be10der2me


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Rehashed, overdone...every thing you complain about in Ramyb's designs. Get your nerd on and come back with something new because this isn't "all natural baby".

midgerock


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be10der2me wrote:Rehashed, overdone...every thing you complain about in Ramyb's designs. Get your nerd on and come back with something new because this isn't "all natural baby".


again, thank you for stopping by and sharing your feedback. I don't know where this accusatory tone is coming from with my design. I can understand if you don't like the design. That's fair. But as for this design being a rehash of my designs I think that's not a fair assessment. Has the premise of mentos and diet coke been done before? Yes. Did I approach it differently. Yes. I appreciate feedback but not in the manner you presented it. If you would ,like to have a real dialogue please feel free to PM me because I don't know where all the hate you are projecting on me is coming from.

bnrobertson2005


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Its cute...I keep thinking he needs a mentos fan club cheering him on while wearing raincoats

VonMonkey


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walmazan


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voted goog luck! I love it!

Spiritgreen


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For science!

Upward, brave mint. Ascend to greatness. :^)

drmaxdog


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When I first saw this, I thought it was the top climbing back to its rightful place on the bottle, maybe if there had been an open sleeve of the candies in front of the bottle it would be better.

Just a lowly woot fan's opinion. .

kahly


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My friends tried this, very messy but lots of fun!!!

fishbiscuit5


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I really like the muted color choices. Nice job!










btomell


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I think the shirt is attractive and well drawn, but I disagree with your portrayal of the mento. If the rules state no anthropomorphic animals, then doesn't the spirit of the law say no anthropomorphic candies? I don't know. Not trying to be mean, just thinking out loud (so to speak).

alfbo


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I like the vintage look to this design. GMV.

Imposter Pete was Unprepared for the Almost Human Nightmare Cuckoo Clock. The Walrus and Eggmen were the Height of Envy at the Monkey Bar. See the DJ spinning records on a Flora Phonograph while simultaneously playing Rock, Paper, Scissorhold.

be10der2me


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midgerock wrote:again, thank you for stopping by and sharing your feedback. I don't know where this accusatory tone is coming from with my design. I can understand if you don't like the design. That's fair. But as for this design being a rehash of my designs I think that's not a fair assessment. Has the premise of mentos and diet coke been done before? Yes. Did I approach it differently. Yes. I appreciate feedback but not in the manner you presented it. If you would ,like to have a real dialogue please feel free to PM me because I don't know where all the hate you are projecting on me is coming from.


No need to PM- I believe in being VERY open.
We expect this crap from Ramyb, I thought you were better than that.
No hate, don't know where that thought came from!

I guess I just expect more from you as I'm sure your other followers do also!
There are hundreds of other concepts to choose from and you HAD to pick a MythBusters episode?
You should have at least had a child at the table eating the mints getting ready to drink the soda...now that's funny!
Anyone wearing that shirt would get a wide berth from me!

midgerock


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be10der2me wrote:No need to PM- I believe in being VERY open.
We expect this crap from Ramyb, I thought you were better than that.
No hate, don't know where that thought came from!

I guess I just expect more from you as I'm sure your other followers do also!
There are hundreds of other concepts to choose from and you HAD to pick a MythBusters episode?
You should have at least had a child at the table eating the mints getting ready to drink the soda...now that's funny!
Anyone wearing that shirt would get a wide berth from me!


when creating a design for the contest I as other artists want to create something that has a broader appeal. something they can relate to. The idea for mine is well known so a lot people can relate to it. Is that a bad thing? no. I can understand if you don't like the mentos and diet coke science project but a middle schooler would do such a project. Just trying to find more accessable ideas for the contest. Other stuff I have done in the past have been passed over because it didn't have a wide appeal. But I don't think its wrong for an artist looking for a broader audience.

as to the hate, re-read your first comment with fresh eyes, and be honest, it comes across full of venom.

kaseyfleming


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gotta love some diet cola-cola (c:

Johndis5


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midgerock wrote:when creating a design for the contest I as other artists want to create something that has a broader appeal. something they can relate to. The idea for mine is well known so a lot people can relate to it. Is that a bad thing? no. I can understand if you don't like the mentos and diet coke science project but a middle schooler would do such a project. Just trying to find more accessable ideas for the contest. Other stuff I have done in the past have been passed over because it didn't have a wide appeal. But I don't think its wrong for an artist looking for a broader audience.

as to the hate, re-read your first comment with fresh eyes, and be honest, it comes across full of venom.


Full venom? A little snarky, maybe, but full venom? I'd say that is an over reaction.

Your most successful design was in the robot derby, and it was original, well done, and a near print. You didn't get any negative comment, just praise (well deserved I might add). If you are trying to reach a broader audience with your art, that is the obvious direction you should go.

Since your little hissy fit over not printing, you've done nothing but churn out overdone pop culture crap and existing IP. Knowing how creative you can be vs. what we see from you now, it really seems you are just going for the cheap popular gag so that you can get a print and make some money. It doesn't have to be about the art. There is a very successful designer here who obviously doesn't care about the art. It's all about the easy buck for them. If that's what you want to do, fine, go do it. But at least be honest about it. And if you are going to keep churning out lazy work in hopes of a quick buck, more power to you, but don't try and play the victim of some hate campaign against you every time you get flack for not being original. In short, man up.

midgerock


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Johndis5 wrote:Full venom? A little snarky, maybe, but full venom? I'd say that is an over reaction.

Your most successful design was in the robot derby, and it was original, well done, and a near print. You didn't get any negative comment, just praise (well deserved I might add). If you are trying to reach a broader audience with your art, that is the obvious direction you should go.

Since your little hissy fit over not printing, you've done nothing but churn out overdone pop culture crap and existing IP. Knowing how creative you can be vs. what we see from you now, it really seems you are just going for the cheap popular gag so that you can get a print and make some money. It doesn't have to be about the art. There is a very successful designer here who obviously doesn't care about the art. It's all about the easy buck for them. If that's what you want to do, fine, go do it. But at least be honest about it. And if you are going to keep churning out lazy work in hopes of a quick buck, more power to you, but don't try and play the victim of some hate campaign against you every time you get flack for not being original. In short, man up.


Again, I appreciate your honest feedback about my work. But just saying its pop culture rehash doesn't really provide much of feedback for the design. all your sayin' is you don't like the subject matter because of the pop culture tie in. As to all the designs I've done since the robot derby being nothing but cheap popular gag then I guess I beg to differ. I guess the other designs subbed must have been over looked because the d20 design did well and so because its was popular that must mean its a bad design and all the others that didn't do well must have been the good designs. Popular doesn't mean bad but I guess in your book it does. The robot design was pop culture too. Zombies! that's major pop! So sayin' that was an exception really is not the case. You can hate on my work all you want. that's your perogative. But sayin' the design is crap just because it may have a pop culture tie is really just your opinion. I stand by my designs. They are wearable and well done but just don't sit there on your high horse because you believe you have some objective view point on the matter. Simple you hate designs which may have some pop culture theme which may appeal to the masses. I have always been up front and honest about my designs. Each week just like every artist who subs we try our best to create something which may appeal to a wide audience. And we all are trying to win. I'm not here post a design to tickle someone's aesthetic yearning. I'm trying to create something which many people would like and buy. Art takes a backseat. Is the art important? Yes but the idea... the design that sells is paramount. If I want to do this, sub each week, just for the art then I'll see you at the Holiday Inn on Sunday with my Bob Ross and Thomas Kinkade reproductions. Because that's the route of the starving artist.

so here's me manning up. Bring it! I'll see you in the bathroom for our pissing contest next.

Johndis5


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midgerock wrote: The robot design was pop culture too. Zombies! that's major pop!


I am aware that your robot design contained zombies, and instead of just doing a zombie shirt, you did something creative and original that included zombies. Something that I haven't seen done in..., well maybe ever. That is an accomplishment, and deserves artistic and creative praise.

Cola + mentos
Marvel super heroes
d20
office space
ect...ect...ect...

Were all just pop culture and existing IP slapped on a shirt with no real creativity or originality. They were just there, for the sake of people going "I like D&D! This shirt rocks!" or "Hey, Office space was funny! This shirt rocks!" All you are doing here is essentially copying and pasting other people's ideas and trying to get a large enough target audience to earn you a grand. All I am saying is, it's obvious you are capable of doing some really cool stuff, and it's frustrating to see talented people just trying to go the cheap route. But like I said, if that's your game, go and play it, just don't act indignant when you are called out on it.

I would love to have a pissing match with you, but I pee sitting down, like any high horse riding gentleman would.

Reawen


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Just dropping a note to think about for future designs. I like the concept(and I work in a science Center that has a huge education outreach component, including judging science fairs and running camps with experiments... kids love diet Coke & Mentos!). But I digress.
I'm not a fan of tall, relatively skinning designs running straight up the middle of the shirt. Having a rod going up the center of the your shirt often looks kind of funny, and makes people look fat (^_^). To be clear, this wasn't a deal-breaker for me here (I actually can't wear that shirt color, anyway) - it's not the worst case of center-tall-narrow-design, and I honestly don't know how you'd make this design so that it *wasn't* tall and narrow, unless maybe there was surrounding horizontal stuff (like maybe a table, but then you'd have a low horizontal, which would also be weird)
Anyway, point is that this isn't meant to be a super criticism for this particular design, just thought I'd mention in case you wanted to keep it in mind for future designs. I've seen others make similar comments on other long, skinny center shirts, so I don't think I'm alone in thinking it!

midgerock


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Johndis5 wrote:I am aware that your robot design contained zombies, and instead of just doing a zombie shirt, you did something creative and original that included zombies. Something that I haven't seen done in..., well maybe ever. That is an accomplishment, and deserves artistic and creative praise.

Cola + mentos
Marvel super heroes
d20
office space
ect...ect...ect...

Were all just pop culture and existing IP slapped on a shirt with no real creativity or originality. They were just there, for the sake of people going "I like D&D! This shirt rocks!" or "Hey, Office space was funny! This shirt rocks!" All you are doing here is essentially copying and pasting other people's ideas and trying to get a large enough target audience to earn you a grand. All I am saying is, it's obvious you are capable of doing some really cool stuff, and it's frustrating to see talented people just trying to go the cheap route. But like I said, if that's your game, go and play it, just don't act indignant when you are called out on it.

I would love to have a pissing match with you, but I pee sitting down, like any high horse riding gentleman would.




I know the 2 of you are passionate about the designs here at woot. I appreciate that you care enough to post and share how you feel. If you had initially posted:

"Hey, Midge, I like your work and you have a lot of potential but I really don't like when you use pop culture references and really dig when you go out on your own and create something different."

If you came to me like that, you might have received a better reception from me and maybe a number of artists that sub here that would receive that message.

Also let me be clear when it comes to pop culture elements when I use them... I use them because I dig them... the source of the reference. office space, d20, marvel comics, zombies, etc... I dig these things. So I use them because I'm a fan and know others are fans. If you look at the whole catalog of designs I've subbed here you'll see the majority is not pop. But there will be times when I will use them because I want to make an interesting shirt. You might not like them but there are others that do.

Also, when designing for the derby many of us artists don't just design for the derby. We design in a way that if the design doesn't win here, where else can I possibly pitch this design. The majority of sites that do take submissions take those which are pop culture. Places like teefury and ript dig these types of designs. More geek oriented designs might fly more @ jinx and similar sites. So after a derby my design although may not have worked here can see a second life and potentially earn some money which right now with being the only bread winner in my family after my wife has lost her job means a lot.

I understand that you want to encourage me. I appreciate that. I am trying my best each week just like every other artist to win. I use what I have at my disposal and try to come up with which I think are clever or funny designs which I would and I hope others want to wear. If this design is not to your liking, check out the others I subbed this week. I normally sub 2-3 designs each week. Last week I subbed 4. One caught many votes while the others did okay. The one, although you may say it was weak, I felt was a very wearable design, which others felt the same. Was it the most original on the planet? Art wise being my own... yes. Conceptually fitting for the derby theme? yes. Was the concept mindblowing or genius? No. It was easy but there were no other shirts with that slogan out there and with my art I felt was a solid design. You may not agree but I stand by it.

So please feel free to continue to support my designs and those of others. If you don't like a design provide some helpful feedback. Each week I ask for that and normally don't get any, but just blasting the design doesn't help me or others in their development. If you don't like how I drew something or think something could have been communicated better, share that. But if the design's not your cup tee because of the content or you wouldn't wear it, don't vote. If you feel the need to share your disdain for a design, can you do it in manner that may reach me? There's a lot of truth to catching more flies with honey than vinegar. I am all for feedback. Honest feedback and critique but when giving it to someone trying to develop their craft many of the artists here would agree provide something helpful to make it better. If your only helpful comment is don't design this or remove it immediately presented with all the snarkiness one can muster, then it doesn't really help. And when I do post designs which are to your liking, can you hook a brutha up? I mean seriously! Let me know. Poor all that energy you have for biting comments into something more supportive, encouraging the stuff you want. And this goes for all voters. I can speak for a number of artistshere, we would love to hear from you.

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Greetings Derby Goers. I think your points have been made and responded to. Please move off this topic and let's get back to the art of discussing the art.

Thank you!



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midgerock


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Reawen wrote:Just dropping a note to think about for future designs. I like the concept(and I work in a science Center that has a huge education outreach component, including judging science fairs and running camps with experiments... kids love diet Coke & Mentos!). But I digress.
I'm not a fan of tall, relatively skinning designs running straight up the middle of the shirt. Having a rod going up the center of the your shirt often looks kind of funny, and makes people look fat (^_^). To be clear, this wasn't a deal-breaker for me here (I actually can't wear that shirt color, anyway) - it's not the worst case of center-tall-narrow-design, and I honestly don't know how you'd make this design so that it *wasn't* tall and narrow, unless maybe there was surrounding horizontal stuff (like maybe a table, but then you'd have a low horizontal, which would also be weird)
Anyway, point is that this isn't meant to be a super criticism for this particular design, just thought I'd mention in case you wanted to keep it in mind for future designs. I've seen others make similar comments on other long, skinny center shirts, so I don't think I'm alone in thinking it!


Thank you Reawan. I appreciate that feedback. also thank you for how you presented it. It didn't know that as an issue and defnitely will be logging that in for futre designs. Thanks for taking the time to share.

Johndis5


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midgerock wrote:If you don't like how I drew something or think something could have been communicated better, share that. But if the design's not your cup tee because of the content or you wouldn't wear it, don't vote.



I have one thing left to add, and then I'll move on.

There are three main parts to a design;
Concept - idea
Content - what is in the design
Execution - how it is done/presented

All three are equally open to critique. Critiques do not have to be polite, just honest. If you're going to show your art in a public forum, next to talent and ability, thick skin is a must.

Best of luck in future derbies.

ThunderThighs


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Johndis5 wrote:I have one thing left to add, and then I'll move on.

There are three main parts to a design;
Concept - idea
Content - what is in the design
Execution - how it is done/presented

All three are equally open to critique. Critiques do not have to be polite, just honest. If you're going to show your art in a public forum, next to talent and ability, thick skin is a must.

Best of luck in future derbies.

I disagree. Critiques can be honest and also presented such they are not insulting or attacks upon the artist. The place to start is to focus on the art and not the artist.



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ThunderThighs wrote:I disagree. Critiques can be honest and also presented such they are not insulting or attacks upon the artist. The place to start is to focus on the art and not the artist.


I disagree with your pov.
Sometimes you see a TRUE artist falling off their way into the bRAMYBles and you feel compelled to reach out and save them.
I love MR's art but lately I have seen a desperation that resorts to pandering. This concerns me.
Stay true to yourself MR, always.

jaeger1957


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be10der2me wrote:I disagree with your pov.
Sometimes you see a TRUE artist falling off their way into the bRAMYBles and you feel compelled to reach out and save them.
I love MR's art but lately I have seen a desperation that resorts to pandering. This concerns me.
Stay true to yourself MR, always.


This is the first time I've been to this site, this is the first instance I've seen of this person's work, and I found it to be quite clever, a cute, unconventional take on a (very) familiar subject.

Perhaps for someone who does shirt designs daily and scrutinizes them at great length, your comments might have some validity, but in the end, the question is does it appeal to people? And my answer is yes, as it appears to be for several others as well.

Your comments are not much different than a "music purist" disdaining someone's music merely on the grounds that it is popular. You're entitled to your opinion, certainly, but you don't need to flog it to death.

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