Derby #213: Dog Days

Give us a Wet KISS

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Rejected because: No photos

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acallens80


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Re: Give us a Wet KISS


Cute design but read the woot rule book, they are a little anal about photos. I hear footsteps of the rejection bot... He should be coming in 5...4...3...2

cherylfrancis


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acallens80 wrote:Cute design but read the woot rule book, they are a little anal about photos. I hear footsteps of the rejection bot... He should be coming in 5...4...3...2


I find the 'rule' book to be quite laughable. It's hit and miss when it comes to the rules. I like this shirt. Artists are known to break the rules. If not, all art would be the same. Keep pushing, my fellow artists!!

lilygrapetree


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cherylfrancis wrote:I find the 'rule' book to be quite laughable. It's hit and miss when it comes to the rules. I like this shirt. Artists are known to break the rules. If not, all art would be the same. Keep pushing, my fellow artists!!


Yah! somebody who finds the rule book a joke too!

("They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. They're not laughing now." Bob Monkhouse)

gement


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cherylfrancis wrote:I find the 'rule' book to be quite laughable. It's hit and miss when it comes to the rules. I like this shirt. Artists are known to break the rules. If not, all art would be the same. Keep pushing, my fellow artists!!


You have to understand the rules before you understand when it's useful to break them.

Woot cannot sell a shirt that uses any photo or specific prior image unless it can get the rights to that image. If you go look at the submission page for non-Derby designs, they have a question about whether you used any other art, and if you have the rights, and explain why.

There are images free for use, there are images that can be licensed legitimately. There are fine distinctions of copyright law. BUT.
When people entering the Derby don't even read far enough to get "6 colors, no gradients, show where the design will be placed on the shirt," the Wootlords are right to cut the hassle and say "No photos. Period."

98% of what people want to trace will be unacceptable, and freehand drawing is a perfectly reasonable requirement for an art competition to ask for.

dot8927


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acallens80 wrote:Cute design but read the woot rule book, they are a little anal about photos. I hear footsteps of the rejection bot... He should be coming in 5...4...3...2


this is a painting

Lisa Pahl

dot8927


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Re: Give us a Wet KISS


This isnt a photo, it's a painting that I reworked in illustrator

Lisa Pahl

gement


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dot8927 wrote:this is a painting


Are the borders of the painted dog the same as the borders of a photographed dog that you used as an underlay while you worked? That is tracing a photo, which is not allowed.

gement


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dot8927 wrote:This isnt a photo, it's a painting that I reworked in illustrator


If it's your own painting, which wasn't based on a photo tracing, and you can send evidence of that to the Wootlords, you have an appeal case. At that point it's like scanning in any other freehand sketch to work from.

If so, this is a remarkably photo-flavored painting style you've got! Very interesting.

dot8927


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http://web.mac.com/lisapahl/iWeb/Site/Pet%20Portraits.html
this is from a painting

Lisa Pahl

dot8927


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gement wrote:You have to understand the rules before you understand when it's useful to break them.

Woot cannot sell a shirt that uses any photo or specific prior image unless it can get the rights to that image. If you go look at the submission page for non-Derby designs, they have a question about whether you used any other art, and if you have the rights, and explain why.

There are images free for use, there are images that can be licensed legitimately. There are fine distinctions of copyright law. BUT.
When people entering the Derby don't even read far enough to get "6 colors, no gradients, show where the design will be placed on the shirt," the Wootlords are right to cut the hassle and say "No photos. Period."

98% of what people want to trace will be unacceptable, and freehand drawing is a perfectly reasonable requirement for an art competition to ask for.



This is a painting that I did, http://web.mac.com/lisapahl/iWeb/Site/Pet%20Portraits.html
There is not a right issue,

Lisa Pahl

dot8927


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gement wrote:Are the borders of the painted dog the same as the borders of a photographed dog that you used as an underlay while you worked? That is tracing a photo, which is not allowed.


I didn't trace it, I painted freehand from a photo I took as a guide. So I don't understand why this is rejected.

http://lisapahl.wordpress.com/
This shows how I paint.

Lisa Pahl

gement


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dot8927 wrote:I didn't trace it, I painted freehand from a photo I took as a guide. So I don't understand why this is rejected.

http://lisapahl.wordpress.com/
This shows how I paint.


You should definitely send email to Derby@woot.com and get them to fix this.

The detail, use of light, and slight forced perspective in your painting look a lot like what happens when people simply trace over photographs. People do that a lot in the Derby, and we don't have a lot of photorealistic professional portraiteers as entrants, so a conclusion was jumped to that in this case wasn't accurate.

stingray69


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dot8927 wrote:I didn't trace it, I painted freehand from a photo I took as a guide. So I don't understand why this is rejected.

http://lisapahl.wordpress.com/
This shows how I paint.


When you use a photo or the end result looks a lot like a photo, always show proof that it's your photo or it's not based on a photo. Otherwise they'll immediately reject it. Your best bet might be to resubmit and put those links in the first post for the new entry. Should be faster than trying to contact woot! about it. Plus, unrejection is almost unheard of.

dot8927


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gement wrote:You should definitely send email to Derby@woot.com and get them to fix this.

The detail, use of light, and slight forced perspective in your painting look a lot like what happens when people simply trace over photographs. People do that a lot in the Derby, and we don't have a lot of photorealistic professional portraiteers as entrants, so a conclusion was jumped to that in this case wasn't accurate.


Thanks!

Lisa Pahl

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