Derby #213: Dog Days

dog gone puzzles

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Rejected because: Too close to copyrighted characters

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SeedUvPain


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It's weird because I've never seen this design before, but I feel like I've also seen it every week

taternuggets


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Nice.


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truffleshuffle


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Hahaha, I see what you did there;)

Sergio37


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lol is the secret formula!

BootsBoots


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I don't understand it either, Blue!


TwoGunGus


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Brilliant! The image of Vader beckons! Like all Wooters I cannot resist! Must... vote... for shirt... with Star Wars reference!

mattlussier


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just as Nostradamus predicted...




omarfeliciano


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I feel you Blue. Great criticism!

How about another clue stating that people wait for others to submit their concepts, so they can go ahead, steal them and submit their art 24 hours later.

Not saying that this is happening in this derby, no, no, no.

tgentry


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I think we also assumed that we print a lot of Star Wars related shirts, but I was surprised to see just how few it actually was when I ran the numbers...

- Out of roughly 1472 total shirts, 11 include some reference to Star Wars. Personally, I had an image in my head of 30+ for some reason.

- Out of roughly 635 derby winning shirts, 5 were Star Wars related.

- Out of roughly 58 editor's picks, 1 was Star Wars related.

I'm not sure how many Star Wars shirts have been submitted to the derby, which would be a good indicator on how much of an "easy print" Star Wars really is. My guess it's not as easy as many (myself included) assumed.

SeedUvPain


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tgentry wrote:I think we also assumed that we print a lot of Star Wars related shirts, but I was surprised to see just how few it actually was when I ran the numbers...

- Out of roughly 1472 total shirts, 11 include some reference to Star Wars. Personally, I had an image in my head of 30+ for some reason.

- Out of roughly 635 derby winning shirts, 5 were Star Wars related.

- Out of roughly 58 editor's picks, 1 was Star Wars related.

I'm not sure how many Star Wars shirts have been submitted to the derby, which would be a good indicator on how much of an "easy print" Star Wars really is. My guess it's not as easy as many (myself included) assumed.


I think the bigger message here is that of the Star Wars designs that have printed, or are currently riding the Fog and/or Hotness in this derby, the actual theme is only shoe-horned into the SW-based idea so as not to be rejected. It's quite an easy formula when all you have to do is Darth Vader + (theme)= Profit!!

Personally I think it's lazy and despicable.

EDIT: You're also ignoring the fact that a majority of the derbies have included a "No Star Wars" rule for this very reason

tgentry


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SeedUvPain wrote:. It's quite an easy formula when all you have to do is Darth Vader + (theme)= Profit!!



I don't know that that message is backed by the reality of what actually wins. If you're talking about an isolated incident or within a one or two week span, then I guess I overestimated the scope of the criticism, in which case dumping stats on the overall print history is not really relevant. If that's the case, then I'm sorry for butting in.

I said before there were five derby winners related to Star Wars, but it may actually be four. I think I counted the Editor's Pick as a derby winner. With only four Star Wars related derby winners to date it's pretty easy to look them all over:

Tin: Old Skool
Faster, Higher, Stronger, Aimier
Poker Game
Substitute Teacher

I'll leave it up to you on what you think is shoehorned in (I think in most cases, Star Wars was referenced effectively and with a purpose), but with only four winners it doesn't seem like it's as big a problem as expected. Maybe people are also taking exception with entries getting a decent amount of votes, but not necessarily winning, I don't really know.

This came out as one of the big surprises when I tagged all of the shirts and has since led us to reexamine if Star Wars was such a big deal in the derby to begin with. That's what drew me to responding to this design. I don't have stats on how many times the No Star Wars rule was applied, but even if it was around for half the derbies (which seems unlikely), that's still over 100 derbies and only four prints. We have a lot of stats minded people here, so maybe someone could figure out how many times No Star Wars has shown up to give a better estimate.

If you guys feel like Star Wars is an instant vote and print getter here, you're welcome to that opinion. I'm just putting this out there as food for thought, because it came as a surprise to us just how little it's won in the past. Maybe it is just the No Star Wars rule, I'd be interested to know.

SeedUvPain


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tgentry wrote:I don't know that that message is backed by the reality of what actually wins. If you're talking about an isolated incident or within a one or two week span, then I guess I overestimated the scope of the criticism, in which case dumping stats on the overall print history is not really relevant. If that's the case, then I'm sorry for butting in.

I said before there were five derby winners related to Star Wars, but it may actually be four. I think I counted the Editor's Pick as a derby winner. With only four Star Wars related derby winners to date it's pretty easy to look them all over:

Tin: Old Skool
Faster, Higher, Stronger, Aimier
Poker Game
Substitute Teacher

I'll leave it up to you on what you think is shoehorned in (I think in most cases, Star Wars was referenced effectively and with a purpose), but with only four winners it doesn't seem like it's as big a problem as expected. Maybe people are also taking exception with entries getting a decent amount of votes, but not necessarily winning, I don't really know.

This came out as one of the big surprises when I tagged all of the shirts and has since led us to reexamine if Star Wars was such a big deal in the derby to begin with. That's what drew me to responding to this design. I don't have stats on how many times the No Star Wars rule was applied, but even if it was around for half the derbies (which seems unlikely), that's still over 100 derbies and only four prints. We have a lot of stats minded people here, so maybe someone could figure out how many times No Star Wars has shown up to give a better estimate.

If you guys feel like Star Wars is an instant vote and print getter here, you're welcome to that opinion. I'm just putting this out there as food for thought, because it came as a surprise to us just how little it's won in the past. Maybe it is just the No Star Wars rule, I'd be interested to know.


Perhaps the numbers don't support the "instant print getter" claim, and perhaps I should give Woot voters more credit for NOT putting every pop-culture reference through. Mine is more a personal gripe regarding the types of designs we see from talented and/or respected artists on this board whenever the "no Star Wars" or "no pop culture" rule is lifted. I could set my watch to it. I'm not saying I haven't incorporated pop culture into my own designs...I have. I understand the lure of it. It's much easier to plop somebody else's idea into a drawing and rely on the voter/buyer to just say "I recognize that, me buy". But it's seriously every week with some of these artists and it's...i don't know...depressing

TwoGunGus


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My question is why this was rejected but "A Great Disturbance at the Dog Park" was not. Not trying to be a Vader Hater, but in all fairness Vader is pretty recognizable in either submission.

bigedna


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TwoGunGus wrote:My question is why this was rejected but "A Great Disturbance at the Dog Park" was not. Not trying to be a Vader Hater, but in all fairness Vader is pretty recognizable in either submission.


Might be because Blue is in there, too. Still, I agree that the principle is the same.

Johndis5


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SeedUvPain wrote:

EDIT: You're also ignoring the fact that a majority of the derbies have included a "No Star Wars" rule for this very reason



That was my thought. The stats Tgentry provided are kind of incomplete.

How many of those derby shirts were in derbies that had a blanket "no star wars" rule. My guess is that it is a significant amount of derbies.

Also, how many Star Wars related shirts were fog/print bound and were rejected because your legal team didn't think you could run it?

If there was never a no star wars ban, it would stand to reason that there would be much more star wars prints in the derby catalog. As evidence by last week, and most likely this week when we will be treated to Boba Fetch in the next couple of nights.

tgentry


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Johndis5 wrote:That was my thought. The stats Tgentry provided are kind of incomplete.

How many of those derby shirts were in derbies that had a blanket "no star wars" rule. My guess is that it is a significant amount of derbies.

Also, how many Star Wars related shirts were fog/print bound and were rejected because your legal team didn't think you could run it?

If there was never a no star wars ban, it would stand to reason that there would be much more star wars prints in the derby catalog. As evidence by last week, and most likely this week when we will be treated to Boba Fetch in the next couple of nights.


As stated before, I think the No Star Wars rule does affect the number of prints. However skimming through the rules of the past derbies (via Shirt.What), I couldn't even find a derby that had it after looking at 15-20 derbies. I pretty much gave up on it. I'm sure they're there somewhere, but if I had to dig that much, I don't think they were even close to being the majority. I'd say (and this is just my guess) that at best 1/4 of the derbies had a No Star Wars rule (You guys are welcome to look yourselves, the rules are still up with the derby entries.) Four shirts out of what is no doubt hundreds of prints is not solid evidence of Star Wars "auto-printing".

I personally think it's more of an issue of perception vs. reality. Seeing a rash of something happen and taking it as commonplace when it's actually not -- something I've done numerous times when it comes to this site. Or just seeing something that you don't like happening can stick in your mind more than the hundreds of times it didn't happen. Maybe a better argument could be made for pop-culture in general "auto-printing". It's still probably not exactly the case (There's probably at least 10 pop culture fails for every "easy print"), but at least there's a larger sample of prints to argue the point on.

At any rate, I understand your frustration and have felt it in the past. I was merely sharing something that had caught my attention as an interesting factoid.

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