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If I were an employee at NASA or an Astronaut, this would be a MUST! Since I am neither, I must still say this is beautiful but, as many shirts in this derby, is unwearable...sigh...

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You did a really nice job on this but I'm seeing something that will get it rejected. Your using inverse halftones of the shirt color to provide shading to the piece.

Doing that cases the ink printed between those negative dots to be too thin/small and will not print well especially since it looks like you used it so extensively.

If you did all the cloud work yourself too without a photo then that is really nice too Good job but don't be surprised if it gets rejected

This is really nice.

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Absolutely stunning. One of the most beautifully colored designs I've seen here on Woot. Wonderful job on the composition as well!

bpeterson82 wrote:If I were an employee at NASA or an Astronaut, this would be a MUST! Since I am neither, I must still say this is beautiful but, as many shirts in this derby, is unwearable...sigh...

Don't get the "unwearable" designation. My son loves all things space, but it's been hard to find shirts that aren't babyish for him anymore. This shirt is just stunning & I know he'd love it. I've been so disappointed that the space shirts in the past few derbies haven't made it to print. Keeping my fingers crossed for this one.

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Absolutely yes
+1

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Wow. This is just damned splendid, indeed. So much love and so much getting my vote.

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Great design, first 1988! Hopefully it doesn't get rejected like that one person was saying But it's Got My Vote!

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I really like the composition.

petrosrex wrote:I really like the composition.

This is stunning, and it looks like a lot of work for Woot staff if they print it.

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Amazing coloring. And I mean A-MA-ZING.

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I don't picture myself wearing this, but I must say this design is amazing, the execution, the colors, everything is flawless to me.
GMV, and I hope for you and those interested that it won't get rejected.

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AWESOME! How do you make the halftones so perfect?

Thanks for all the awesome comments everyone!! :D
I really really appreciate all the feedback!

I have been a bit worried about whether people would be interested in space imagery and it's cool to see that some people still enjoy it.

I was inspired to do this design after reading about the Return to Flight Mission, and looking at images from the hubble space telescope.. I think it's pretty neat stuff.

I enjoy working with opacity and layering a lot, so I guess it makes a difficult print and I am still learning.. I did not use inverse halftones, and the design is 4 colors on black. As to how I did the halftones, this excellent tutorial on shirt woot has been my main source of information:
[url]http://shirt.woot.com/forums/viewpost.aspx?PostID=4532808[\url]

werewolfskippy wrote:I enjoy working with opacity and layering a lot, so I guess it makes a difficult print and I am still learning.. I did not use inverse halftones, and the design is 4 colors on black. As to how I did the halftones, this excellent tutorial on shirt woot has been my main source of information:
[url]http://shirt.woot.com/forums/viewpost.aspx?PostID=4532808[\url]

Yeah that link is not the best at showing how to do halftones and I know that Travis meant well when he did it but he missed several things and didn't explain how the print actually happens which is crucial to making half tones work on the press. I know you didn't do it intentionally and were trying to follow Woot provided guidelines but if your gonna do a lot of half tones it helps to have worked in a screen print shop before to understand limitations of the process. Give me a couple minutes and I'll try to illustrate what I meant by inverse half tones. Again though awesome art.

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Ok here's a little example I threw together to illustrate what I mean by inverse halftones. Let me know if you have questions.

tjost wrote:Ok here's a little example I threw together to illustrate what I mean by inverse halftones. Let me know if you have questions.


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Excellent quality post.

tjost wrote:Ok here's a little example I threw together to illustrate what I mean by inverse halftones. Let me know if you have questions.

Ramy covered this exact issue in his tutorial. Maybe you can write up something with alpha channels too?

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I like this. I'd wear it when I feel INTENSE. It has that kind of feel about it.

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This is such a beautiful shirt! I can't wait til I'm that good with half tones Props for an amazing design.

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once again the Woot community is voting for some atrocious shirts. I am not taking away from the drawing skills, the actual drawing is quite good. But this on a shirt? Absolutely horrendous. This belongs more in the wallpaper realm versus a shirt.

bpeterson82 wrote:If I were an employee at NASA or an Astronaut, this would be a MUST! Since I am neither, I must still say this is beautiful but, as many shirts in this derby, is unwearable...sigh...

I am neither a NASA employee, nor an Astronaut, and have never been either one, but I would wear the heck out of this shirt (assuming it looked nearly as good printed as it does here).

tjost wrote:Ok here's a little example I threw together to illustrate what I mean by inverse halftones. Let me know if you have questions.

At first I didn't understand and was like huh? Inverted half tones...? And then I saw what you were talking about and was like ohhh! Yeah you can't make inverted dots from ink it just ain't happening. However this will still make a good DTG Shirt.

tjost wrote:Ok here's a little example I threw together to illustrate what I mean by inverse halftones. Let me know if you have questions.

I am currently wearing a woot shirt (forbidden future) with those inverse halftones.

blanked wrote:I am currently wearing a woot shirt (forbidden future) with those inverse halftones.

That may be so, but that art is not using halftones as extensively as this piece with finer halftones due to lots of soft fades. These types of halftones are not what you want to print, they cause all types of problems on press with trying to align the base to the top layer of ink. Can you take a picture of the halftones on your shirt so I can see them? The detail shot woot had doesn't show them too well. Thanks

tjost wrote:That may be so, but that art is not using halftones as extensively as this piece with finer halftones due to lots of soft fades. These types of halftones are not what you want to print, they cause all types of problems on press with trying to align the base to the top layer of ink. Can you take a picture of the halftones on your shirt so I can see them? The detail shot woot had doesn't show them too well. Thanks

That's using Photoshop, I'm assuming right? Any other programs you'd recommend, or is that pretty much the gold standard?

tjost wrote:Ok here's a little example I threw together to illustrate what I mean by inverse halftones. Let me know if you have questions.

Thank you for the explanation. Also, the ramyb tutorial j5 posted was extremely helpful. This will definitely help me with designing halftones in the future, thanks so much!

I had done inverse halftones on one layer for my previous print, Underwater Forest, and it seemed ok.. In general I use the method of converting the layer to bitmap/halftone screen because there is a lot more room for control.

Again, thanks for all the feedback everyone!! And thanks tjost for explaining halftoning for print. I definitely understand it a lot better now.

dfunk29 wrote:That's using Photoshop, I'm assuming right? Any other programs you'd recommend, or is that pretty much the gold standard?

Well any program that you can apply halftones in but yes the adobe suite of software (photoshop, illustrator etc.) are the gold standard.

werewolfskippy wrote:Thank you for the explanation. Also, the ramyb tutorial j5 posted was extremely helpful. This will definitely help me with designing halftones in the future, thanks so much!

I had done inverse halftones on one layer for my previous print, Underwater Forest, and it seemed ok.. In general I use the method of converting the layer to bitmap/halftone screen because there is a lot more room for control.

Again, thanks for all the feedback everyone!! And thanks tjost for explaining halftoning for print. I definitely understand it a lot better now.

No prob. The inverse can work but especially when doing large areas of fine dots it's better to not try them. Your printer will appreciate it your a great artist btw and I'm glad your posting your stuff on woot!

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I'm a total sucker when it comes to the Space Shuttle. There are loads of Space Shuttle-themed shirts out there, and as much as I'd like to buy all of them, money is kinda tight so I need to skim. But this one... this one is awe inpiring. Honestly, I teared up a little. Totally buying this if it gets printed.

Wow. I don't usually go for the "beauty" Woot shirts, but if this gets made, I am definitely buying one.

As a bonus, it's my birth year.

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This is kind of nit-picky, but the STS-26 shuttle flight this shirt references featured the unpainted orange external tank, and the Hubble Space Telescope wasn't deployed until 1990. Besides these anachronisms, it's a great graphic—good job! If it prints, though, I would only consider buying it if the tank were orange.

tjost wrote:The inverse can work but especially when doing large areas of fine dots it's better to not try them. Your printer will appreciate it

Ya, gotcha.

tjost wrote:your a great artist btw and I'm glad your posting your stuff on woot!

Thanks!

It makes my day to hear all the awesome things people say. So thank you everyone, ;)

tjost wrote:That may be so, but that art is not using halftones as extensively as this piece with finer halftones due to lots of soft fades. These types of halftones are not what you want to print, they cause all types of problems on press with trying to align the base to the top layer of ink. Can you take a picture of the halftones on your shirt so I can see them? The detail shot woot had doesn't show them too well. Thanks

True they are only on the robot, so they don't get in the way of any other halftones. I also think there is a difference between the original screens ( photo permalink ) and the sliver remix I was looking at. if I remember after it gets washed I will try to photograph it and pm you.

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I would love it if I could get ahold of the original art file to use as a poster print, or if the original artist would provide a way to purchase a print.

I own and am restoring a Williams Space Shuttle pinball and would've bought this shirt in a heartbeat if it had printed. Would still love to use this as a decoration to go with the machine.

If anyone's going to be at Texas Pinball Festival in march, my Shuttle will be there.