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OK, final version. I'm happy, hope you're happy too.

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GMV! Far better Dread Pirate design than the one that miraculously rocketed into the top 10.

numchux9000 wrote:GMV! Far better Dread Pirate design than the one that miraculously rocketed into the top 10.

Thanks. I wish I had a secret voting society to help me with my designs.

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Looking better now, orabbit. The Dread Pirate Roberts gets my vote!

orabbit wrote:Thanks. I wish I had a secret voting society to help me with my designs.

Secret voting society/alt accounts. You say tomato ...

At least if you stay behind him you don't have to worry about his "network" screaming for your rejection and attacking your character, eh?

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I'll give you vote because I like the artwork, I don't know anything else about it....

deborah11565 wrote:I'll give you vote because I like the artwork, I don't know anything else about it....

It's from the Princess Bride. The Dread Pirate Roberts, greatest sword fighter in history... http://youtu.be/lC6dgtBU6Gs

orabbit wrote:Thanks. I wish I had a secret voting society to help me with my designs.

His voting society doesn't help him at all with his designs. That's why they're pretty consistently poor.

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Both are very good but I like the re-sub better

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There's the mask! I thought something seemed missing before... GMV and my wife's!

lotsofgoats wrote:His voting society doesn't help him at all with his designs. That's why they're pretty consistently poor.

I wonder who this person is...

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You've GMV on this one too! Gotta love the Dread Pirates!

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very good entry orabbit

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While I did think the first one looked good, I think this one looks great. Good job, orabbit!

Wow, anonymity really makes a lot of you jerks. I can't really do anything about most of you but when artists are being jerks to other artists or users, it really makes me not want to vote for your designs -- just so you know... it is about the art but it's also about not supporting a**holes.
If you have legitimate concerns or complaints, say them clearly and then be done.

randomwordz321 wrote:Wow, anonymity really makes a lot of you jerks. I can't really do anything about most of you but when artists are being jerks to other artists or users, it really makes me not want to vote for your designs -- just so you know... it is about the art but it's also about not supporting a**holes.
If you have legitimate concerns or complaints, say them clearly and then be done.

If that's directed at me, all I said was that I wish I had what lyonscc had. A network of wooters to guarantee me 80+ votes on anything I submit. Others commented as they saw fit.

randomwordz321 wrote:Wow, anonymity really makes a lot of you jerks. I can't really do anything about most of you but when artists are being jerks to other artists or users, it really makes me not want to vote for your designs -- just so you know... it is about the art but it's also about not supporting a**holes.
If you have legitimate concerns or complaints, say them clearly and then be done.

Some a**holes in here ask for the abuse. They don't follow the rules, they throw crap out here that's not even remotely art, they're hacks, and then they get their loyal band of followers to vote them into the fog. So yes, "real" artist, the ones who can truly draw without using clip art and photos, get a little ticked off. Personally, I hope you never vote for me.

randomwordz321 wrote:If you have legitimate concerns or complaints, say them clearly and then be done.

I don't think that having an army of people who will vote regardless of design quality is doing a service to the derby or to the quality of lyonscc's work. Yes, he has some good designs that hit the fog -- I acknowledged him for this (go see!). The fact remains that there are others that simply aren't good, and I'm not saying that in terms of my personal taste and what I would wear (which is a very small set), but rather on the theme or idea and its execution.

I get wanting to use your resources, but it turns the derby into a popularity contest. I don't care at all what name pops up next to the winning designs, I just want them to be the best of the bunch.

tomspc wrote:Some a**holes in here ask for the abuse. They don't follow the rules, they throw crap out here that's not even remotely art, they're hacks, and then they get their loyal band of followers to vote them into the fog. So yes, "real" artist, the ones who can truly draw without using clip art and photos, get a little ticked off. Personally, I hope you never vote for me.

I like you, Tom. Couldn't have said it better myself. Using a giant network of people to get votes isn't doing anyone any service. It's allowing shirts that no one (Actual wooters who buy lots of shirts) wants to rise in the ranks, just so someone can make a buck and say "I made that". And frankly, it pisses me off to see shirts using horrible effects and stolen "reworked" graphics in the fog, when there are dozens of beautifully drawn shirts struggling for even 10 votes.

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Suddenly lyonscc has become the new ramyb, but without all the success (no offense meant, I'm talking purely about derby wins). I'm having trouble understanding what the complaint is all about. Is the problem how quickly he is in the fog? Or that he's using his social network to get votes? Or that his designs aren't "artistic" enough? All of the above?

I'm not a successful artist, but it seems to me that there's always been an allowance and encouragement by woot to use social media. How is his method different than walmazan giving away free stuff to people who comment on his derby entries (not a criticism of walmazan, I actually think it is a brilliant use of fan base!)?

I just have a hard time seeing what the complaints really are. Do I like all of lyonscc's designs? No, definitely not. But he takes advantage of the bonus of early submissions and uses his network in a woot approved way, just like everyone else tries to do.

tomspc wrote:Some a**holes in here ask for the abuse. They don't follow the rules, they throw crap out here that's not even remotely art, they're hacks, and then they get their loyal band of followers to vote them into the fog. So yes, "real" artist, the ones who can truly draw without using clip art and photos, get a little ticked off. Personally, I hope you never vote for me.

Tom, I didn't know you were an artist. I don't think I've ever seen any of your designs.

My main point, and I apologize for not making it all that well, or making it seem like it was only happening on this particular thread, is that it bothers me to see others (especially other artists) get petty (and no, Orabbit, I was not referring to you) because a design they don't like (or don't think is artsy enough?) is too popular.
Yes, there are horrible designs and completely copied designs and sometimes the rejectionator doesn't do its job that well... but (but!) everyone in here should accept that if they're going to enter new designs. Only Woot can change that.

Also, there's money potential to be had! Money!

It is ultimately Woot's job to fix the problems and to set and enforce the rules. If they don't enforce their own rules to our standards we cannot just take over for them by being mean.

Besides, art is a matter of personal taste. Other people might really love what you think is horrible (even complete strangers to the artist!) It's like assuming Thomas Kindade is so popular only because he's a hack and cheating. I don't like his work and would never buy his stuff but I don't begrudge the man his success or people their taste.

Okay, I'm done. If I keep responding (and yes, I know I started it), I'm pretty sure that it could take up a lot of my life

randomwordz321 wrote:Tom, I didn't know you were an artist. I don't think I've ever seen any of your designs.

My main point, and I apologize for not making it all that well, or making it seem like it was only happening on this particular thread, is that it bothers me to see others (especially other artists) get petty (and no, Orabbit, I was not referring to you) because a design they don't like (or don't think is artsy enough?) is too popular.
Yes, there are horrible designs and completely copied designs and sometimes the rejectionator doesn't do its job that well... but (but!) everyone in here should accept that if they're going to enter new designs. Only Woot can change that.

Also, there's money potential to be had! Money!

It is ultimately Woot's job to fix the problems and to set and enforce the rules. If they don't enforce their own rules to our standards we cannot just take over for them by being mean.

Besides, art is a matter of personal taste. Other people might really love what you think is horrible (even complete strangers to the artist!) It's like assuming Thomas Kindade is so popular only because he's a hack and cheating. I don't like his work and would never buy his stuff but I don't begrudge the man his success or people their taste.

Okay, I'm done. If I keep responding (and yes, I know I started it), I'm pretty sure that it could take up a lot of my life

I'm not an artist, that part was a joke. I agree with you 100%, this is all Woot's fault for not rejecting the hacks, instead they let them hang around,move up in votes even into the fog.