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Coeur de la Mer

Coeur de la Mer
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superspryte


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A porthole looking towards Atlantis.

100% hand drawn with a mouse.

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I love it. One of the few baby blue shirts I'd get. Love it spryte!!

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Cool Beans! Love it

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JadenKale wrote:I love it. One of the few baby blue shirts I'd get. Love it spryte!!

Thanks! Is it because of the marine interests or because of the design? ^_~

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Patchitect wrote:Cool Beans! Love it

Thankee! You did help with the planning. ^_^

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very nice! my favorite design of yours so far. possibly the only thing missing is a tiny fish though...

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........ whatever.

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AttilaTheMom wrote:very nice! my favorite design of yours so far. possibly the only thing missing is a tiny fish though...


Hey thanks! I left out fish because I couldn't make it very realistic and before I tried I decided it was cluttering the design. >_<; Oops. I really wanted to put a jellyfish in there...

Think of it this way: The people of Atlantis don't want fish around. ^_~

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superspryte wrote:Hey thanks! I left out fish because I couldn't make it very realistic and before I tried I decided it was cluttering the design. >_<; Oops. I really wanted to put a jellyfish in there...

Think of it this way: The people of Atlantis don't want fish around. ^_~


this is your best effort yet spryte...nicely done.

what's with the drip on the inside though?

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brizz wrote:this is your best effort yet spryte...nicely done.

what's with the drip on the inside though?


Hey thanks! I think I'm getting better. We'll see how it goes. ^_^

The drip? Patch suggested I make the porthole leak. If I was better at making the water transparent and if I wasn't so tired when I finished this I might have done a better job of it. Maybe you can say it brings Atlantis to you. ^_~ Okay, maybe not. That was just bad.

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YAY! Spryte. I can't believe you did this with only a mouse! I like this more and more each time I see it. Glad to see it getting votes too. Awesome! I need a light blue shirt, so I hope this gets fogged this week!

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klswoot wrote:YAY! Spryte. I can't believe you did this with only a mouse! I like this more and more each time I see it. Glad to see it getting votes too. Awesome! I need a light blue shirt, so I hope this gets fogged this week!


Thanks! It took f-o-r-e-v-e-r to do because of how I decided to do it...still not done with the print-ready file either. Ugh. It will get done today. >_<;

Attila says I should've put fish in there but I couldn't make it work, and the water drop needs a little tweaking. Otherwise I'm pretty happy with it. ^_^ If you're so shocked I can show you what I did too (via images if you'd prefer). Because I wanted to try something completely new I tried a subtractive method and worked from the bottom up for the scene inside the porthole. I created an outline of what I think it should look like, duplicated the layer, cut out what I wanted to be black, duplicated that layer, etc. I used color overlay in the layer blending effects to change the colors. So...it was drawn [almost] completely using the lasso tool. Yep. I'm crazy. ^_~

EDIT - I'm sure you don't need to see it or anything. I like how the method worked but oh man that was hard.

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superspryte wrote:Thanks! It took f-o-r-e-v-e-r to do because of how I decided to do it...still not done with the print-ready file either. Ugh. It will get done today. >_<;

Attila says I should've put fish in there but I couldn't make it work, and the water drop needs a little tweaking. Otherwise I'm pretty happy with it. ^_^ If you're so shocked I can show you what I did too (via images if you'd prefer). Because I wanted to try something completely new I tried a subtractive method and worked from the bottom up for the scene inside the porthole. I created an outline of what I think it should look like, duplicated the layer, cut out what I wanted to be black, duplicated that layer, etc. I used color overlay in the layer blending effects to change the colors. So...it was drawn [almost] completely using the lasso tool. Yep. I'm crazy. ^_~

EDIT - I'm sure you don't need to see it or anything. I like how the method worked but oh man that was hard.


PM the details. I'm still learning how to do "draw" on the computer. Seems I need a scanner. That might help. Right now, I'm drawing straight to the computer, but it's hard for me to get the details without using pen and paper. I tried taking digital pictures of drawings and that works to some extent. But, any advice via a PM would be appreciated. Good luck this week. Looks like you are in good shape so far!

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klswoot wrote:PM the details. I'm still learning how to do "draw" on the computer. Seems I need a scanner. That might help. Right now, I'm drawing straight to the computer, but it's hard for me to get the details without using pen and paper. I tried taking digital pictures of drawings and that works to some extent. But, any advice via a PM would be appreciated. Good luck this week. Looks like you are in good shape so far!


PM'd.

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shadow looks very jagged, is it going to print like that? or is it smooth

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toby8915 wrote:shadow looks very jagged, is it going to print like that? or is it smooth


No, it's smooth. The low resolution for internet graphics kind of messed it up. They aren't smooth like glass though because it's underwater. Unless you're talking about the porthole shadow and I assure you that's quite smooth. At 300 px per inch it's hard not to be. ^_^

Thanks for asking!

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i really like this entry. i love the idea and the feeling. could use a little tweakin but nice design regardless.

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jimiyo wrote:i really like this entry. i love the idea and the feeling. could use a little tweakin but nice design regardless.


Thanks! I really appreciate that, especially coming from you. My print-ready file is a bit cleaner (the droplet is actually transparent instead of looking like wax and the shadows are cleaner), but this was my first effort drawing an entire entry start to finish with a mouse instead of using paper and scanning. Can't afford a tablet. ^_^; Considering, I'm pretty happy. Hopefully I'll figure out how to use Illustrator soon too...doing everything in photoshop can be painful...heh.

Your squiddy potato-head thing is awesome and that skull is amazing. If you don't mind me asking, do you start with paper? I assume you have a tablet and probably don't scan anything in but I'm curious. I'm learning. ^_^ If you don't want to post all that here, I'd love a PM about it. ^_^

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superspryte


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I thought I'd post another image of this. ^_^ It's imperfect, I know.


Click for the larger one, although it's not a perfect view either...

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Mine heart-strings have been plucked! I don't know why I saw this earlier, this shirt is so awesome! GMV for sureeeee! it needs to be up in the fog!

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=10291

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cookofthesea wrote:Mine heart-strings have been plucked! I don't know why I saw this earlier, this shirt is so awesome! GMV for sureeeee! it needs to be up in the fog!


um okay that is weird. I did NOT say "mine heart strings have been plucked!" I said I don't know why I didn't see this earlier...

http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=10291

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cookofthesea wrote:Mine heart-strings have been plucked! I don't know why I saw this earlier, this shirt is so awesome! GMV for sureeeee! it needs to be up in the fog!


Hey thanks! Tell all your friends. ^_~

And "mine heart-strings have been plucked" is a filter for the three-letter version of omigosh. ^_~

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This doesn't look like your photo or hand drawn to me SPRITE!

eyeslikesugar


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snarkygal wrote:

This doesn't look like your photo or hand drawn to me SPRITE!


Maybe she hand-drew the seaweed? ;)

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Well, that was disappointing...

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snarkygal wrote:

This doesn't look like your photo or hand drawn to me SPRITE!



awww man. Really? REALLY? I feel hoodwinked. 100% drawn with a mouse huh spryte? I'm so disappointed by this....i really thought you were on the level and was glad to see you getting better. Seems you're just getting better at digging deeper for pics to use.

I feel duped.

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snarkygal wrote:

This doesn't look like your photo or hand drawn to me SPRITE!


That smarts a little... doesn't it?

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superspryte wrote:Thanks! It took f-o-r-e-v-e-r to do because of how I decided to do it...still not done with the print-ready file either. Ugh. It will get done today. >_<;


Yeah.. I'm sure tweaking it so as to not get caught took f-o-r-e-v-e-r!

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I just read through Spryte's thread and this seems a bit harsh. She didn't really seem to say anything that was untrue at least as far as I could tell. I haven't followed a lot of the regular comments, so I may be off on that one.

Yeah, she used an image as a source, and she changed it up and hand drew over the top of it with a mouse. It wasn't live traced, I assume that's what she meant by 100% hand drawn. This kind of reminds me of when it was 'discovered' that Cho traced a lot of images in his work (as do a lot of designers here and elsewhere). He never really said he didn't, he just didn't offer up the information up front. But the final image was vastly different than the original and it was all done in his own style, which is why they were never rejected. I think letting people think you did everything from scratch when you didn't is a bit deceptive, especially when they are giving you compliments on it. But like Cho's images, I think this image is very much different the original source, unlike with the little bush baby on a shirt and Spryte's own light graffiti.

Anyways, like I said, I don't know what all was said about this topic, I'm just going by what I've read so far.

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tgentry wrote:I just read through Spryte's thread and this seems a bit harsh. She didn't really seem to say anything that was untrue at least as far as I could tell. I haven't followed a lot of the regular comments, so I may be off on that one.

Yeah, she used an image as a source, and she changed it up and hand drew over the top of it with a mouse. It wasn't live traced, I assume that's what she meant by 100% hand drawn. This kind of reminds me of when it was 'discovered' that Cho traced a lot of images in his work (as do a lot of designers here and elsewhere). He never really said he didn't, he just didn't offer up the information up front. But the final image was vastly different than the original, which is why they were never rejected. I think this image is very much different the original source, unlike with the little bush baby on a shirt and Spryte's own light graffiti.

Anyways, like I said, I don't know what all was said about this topic, I'm just going by what I've read so far.


She basically did the same thing Jimiyo has done with his two lolcats. However, she's trying to get him rejected, and misleading others about her submission.

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tgentry wrote:I just read through Spryte's thread and this seems a bit harsh. She didn't really seem to say anything that was untrue at least as far as I could tell. I haven't followed a lot of the regular comments, so I may be off on that one.

Yeah, she used an image as a source, and she changed it up and hand drew over the top of it with a mouse. It wasn't live traced, I assume that's what she meant by 100% hand drawn. This kind of reminds me of when it was 'discovered' that Cho traced a lot of images in his work (as do a lot of designers here and elsewhere). He never really said he didn't, he just didn't offer up the information up front. But the final image was vastly different than the original, which is why they were never rejected. I think this image is very much different the original source, unlike with the little bush baby on a shirt and Spryte's own light graffiti.

Anyways, like I said, I don't know what all was said about this topic, I'm just going by what I've read so far.


She said it was "100% hand drawn by hand with a mouse."

That's a far cry from "I traced most of it from a sand castle picture and added a few things." She purposefully lied because she caught so much crap over the light graffiti shirt. Because of that she chose to do the same thing again, but this time lie about it in the hopes of passing it off as completely original drawing.

Now I wonder where the mouse picture might be. pisses me off.

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tgentry wrote:I just read through Spryte's thread and this seems a bit harsh. She didn't really seem to say anything that was untrue at least as far as I could tell. I haven't followed a lot of the regular comments, so I may be off on that one.

Yeah, she used an image as a source, and she changed it up and hand drew over the top of it with a mouse. It wasn't live traced, I assume that's what she meant by 100% hand drawn. This kind of reminds me of when it was 'discovered' that Cho traced a lot of images in his work (as do a lot of designers here and elsewhere). He never really said he didn't, he just didn't offer up the information up front. But the final image was vastly different than the original and it was all done in his own style, which is why they were never rejected. I think letting people think you did everything from scratch when you didn't is a bit deceptive, especially when they are giving you compliments on it. But like Cho's images, I think this image is very much different the original source, unlike with the little bush baby on a shirt and Spryte's own light graffiti.

Anyways, like I said, I don't know what all was said about this topic, I'm just going by what I've read so far.


One of the points is she is calling others out on "Not your photo" when she is using a photo that isn't hers either.

And when was it discovered that "Cho traced a lot of images in his work"? I have been around here a long time and I don't remember EVER reading that.

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eyeslikesugar wrote:She basically did the same thing Jimiyo has done with his two lolcats. However, she's trying to get him rejected, and misleading others about her submission.


I think the difference is that her image looks nothing like the source material she used, whereas the lolcats (is that what they're called? I wear it as a badge of pride that I didn't know that .. is basically the same image with no alterations other than stylistic.

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tgentry wrote:I think the difference is that her image looks nothing like the source material she used, whereas the lolcats (is that what they're called? I wear it as a badge of pride that I didn't know that .. is basically the same image with no alterations other than stylistic.


Perhaps you'd like to take a closer look at the animated gifs. I'd like to point out the pathway/rocks in front of both castles.

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brizz wrote:She said it was "100% hand drawn by hand with a mouse."

That's a far cry from "I traced most of it from a sand castle picture and added a few things." She purposefully lied because she caught so much crap over the light graffiti shirt. Because of that she chose to do the same thing again, but this time lie about it in the hopes of passing it off as completely original drawing.

Now I wonder where the mouse picture might be. pisses me off.


Well technically it was 100% hand drawn by a mouse. It doesn't look live traced. James Cho did the same thing in his work, but the final product was something entirely different than the source. just like this one. The cats are basically the same image just done up in a different style. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. If anyone knows me I'm all about artistic integrity. I'm not sure what all she said or didn't say, I'm just saying I don't think this particular design crosses the line of being a rip of another image. I guess it's a grey area though.

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tgentry wrote:Well technically it was 100% hand drawn by a mouse. It doesn't look live traced. James Cho did the same thing in his work, but the final product was something entirely different than the source. just like this one. The cats are basically the same image just done up in a different style. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. If anyone knows me I'm all about artistic integrity. I'm not sure what all she said or didn't say, I'm just saying I don't think this particular design crosses the line of being a rip of another image. I guess it's a grey area though.


Why are you bringing James Cho into this conversation? He has nothing to do with it.

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eyeslikesugar wrote:Perhaps you'd like to take a closer look at the animated gifs. I'd like to point out the pathway/rocks in front of both castles.


I understand that, I'm not saying it isn't traced, I'm saying it wasn't live traced. It looks like she used the exact technique she was talking about. This is the same as the time machine t-rex of james cho, which very few had a problem with. The final image was something totally different. I think there's enough here to say this is a different image and that's what Woot generally goes by. I have concerns about letting people think you did something you didn't, but I'm not sure what was said so I'll leave that alone.

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snarkygal wrote:Why are you bringing James Cho into this conversation? He has nothing to do with it.


Yepyep. He left Woot anyway. Moot point.

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tgentry wrote:Well technically it was 100% hand drawn by a mouse. It doesn't look live traced. James Cho did the same thing in his work, but the final product was something entirely different than the source. just like this one. The cats are basically the same image just done up in a different style. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. If anyone knows me I'm all about artistic integrity. I'm not sure what all she said or didn't say, I'm just saying I don't think this particular design crosses the line of being a rip of another image. I guess it's a grey area though.

first of all, i have no clue what cho has to do with this, and I don't recall any of his designs being shown to have been traced.

secondly, it most certainly DOES look live-traced, and I bet I could reproduce the effect pretty easily. look at the gifs man....everything about it is identical. she just added the seaweed things. one of them his the dude's arm! the path in front, the rough spots - all of it lines up perfectly.

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snarkygal wrote:Why are you bringing James Cho into this conversation? He has nothing to do with it.


Well it's the same exact technique that he used. If you condemn her for using source images (to create a totally different image) you have to do the same for any number of artists that design here. I think the point is "is this unique from the source material"? If it isn't, like the lolcats, then it should be rejected. I'm just using Cho as an example because he's (rightly so) very respected around these parts.

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brizz wrote:first of all, i have no clue what cho has to do with this, and I don't recall any of his designs being shown to have been traced.

secondly, it most certainly DOES look live-traced, and I bet I could reproduce the effect pretty easily. look at the gifs man....everything about it is identical. she just added the seaweed things. one of them his the dude's arm! the path in front, the rough spots - all of it lines up perfectly.



I won't rehash old threads, but Cho did trace many parts of his images. The dino head on the time machine shirt for example was much closer to the original than spryte's castle. That was just one of several. I think the topic came up during the big redo derby. You're welcome to look it up there. If she did live trace then that vacuums for sure. I do dislike live trace as much as the next person.

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tgentry wrote:Well it's the same exact technique that he used. If you condemn her for using source images (to create a totally different image) you have to do the same for any number of artists that design here. I think the point is "is this unique from the source material"? If it isn't, like the lolcats, then it should be rejected. I'm just using Cho as an example because he's (rightly so) very respected around these parts.


You're missing the point- the only reason people are upset about spryte's tracing is that (A) she misled people about how she did it (ask the people she pm'd with tips on how she did it, i doubt she told them she traced it) and (B) because she said several times that jimiyo's would be rejected because it was too close to the original image. To me, jimi's is a lot more original that spryte's, but obviously that's woot's call to make.

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tgentry wrote:I understand that, I'm not saying it isn't traced, I'm saying it wasn't live traced. It looks like she used the exact technique she was talking about. This is the same as the time machine t-rex of james cho, which very few had a problem with. The final image was something totally different. I think there's enough here to say this is a different image and that's what Woot generally goes by. I have concerns about letting people think you did something you didn't, but I'm not sure what was said so I'll leave that alone.


I forget who it was who brought it up, but there was definitely petty quibbling because the shape of the T-rex's head and basic location of some features was similar to a photo. The thing with Cho's work is, he's so consistent (and I say "is" because you know he's out there designing SOMETHING, woot or not) that I would find it shocking if he WASN'T similar to a source he used. Fact is, the shape of the head was the only part of the whole design that was in question. Hardly an issue.

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AdderXYU wrote:I forget who it was who brought it up, but there was definitely petty quibbling because the shape of the T-rex's head and basic location of some features was similar to a photo. The thing with Cho's work is, he's so consistent (and I say "is" because you know he's out there designing SOMETHING, woot or not) that I would find it shocking if he WASN'T similar to a source he used. Fact is, the shape of the head was the only part of the whole design that was in question. Hardly an issue.


An animated gif showed it was almost identical, just done in the Cho style. Also the castle is just part of Sprytes design, not the whole design.

Ugh, I feel like the bad guy all of a sudden. Why did I jump into this again?

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geekfactor12 wrote:You're missing the point- the only reason people are upset about spryte's tracing is that (A) she misled people about how she did it (ask the people she pm'd with tips on how she did it, i doubt she told them she traced it) and (B) because she said several times that jimiyo's would be rejected because it was too close to the original image. To me, jimi's is a lot more original that spryte's, but obviously that's woot's call to make.


Like I said, I don't know all of what she said or didn't say, but I will say that the cat image is not changed at all from the original other than a stylistic change. You could run it through a filter in photoshop and that's about as different as it would be from the original. Spryte's design has numerous elements that are not in the original, including seaweed and a portal hatch. Whether it's a good design or not, that's a personal call.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to slam anyone, Spryte, Cho, or the guy that did that cat.

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geekfactor12 wrote:You're missing the point- the only reason people are upset about spryte's tracing is that (A) she misled people about how she did it (ask the people she pm'd with tips on how she did it, i doubt she told them she traced it) and (B) because she said several times that jimiyo's would be rejected because it was too close to the original image. To me, jimi's is a lot more original that spryte's, but obviously that's woot's call to make.


I certainly don't want to get involved in this but I honestly think Jimiyo did it to test woot. There was a little discussion about whether it could be done before it was posted.

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tgentry wrote:An animated gif showed it was almost identical, just done in the Cho style. Also the castle is just part of Sprytes design, not the whole design.

Ugh, I feel like the bad guy all of a sudden. Why did I jump into this again?


You probably feel like the bad guy because you're attacking a guy who isn't here to defend himself. Cho left man, let it go. Anyway, a similarity in the outline of a t-rex head (that's all that was about- and a lot of people, myself included, didn't think it looked traced) is hardly the same thing as the repurposing of an entire photograph.

(I'm not trying to pick on you, but come on- no point in dragging the guy's name through the mud.)

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tgentry wrote:An animated gif showed it was almost identical, just done in the Cho style. Also the castle is just part of Sprytes design, not the whole design.

Ugh, I feel like the bad guy all of a sudden. Why did I jump into this again?


You notice she isn't here defending herself, so I don't know why you are.

tgentry


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geekfactor12 wrote:You probably feel like the bad guy because you're attacking a guy who isn't here to defend himself. Cho left man, let it go. Anyway, a similarity in the outline of a t-rex head (that's all that was about- and a lot of people, myself included, didn't think it looked traced) is hardly the same thing as the repurposing of an entire photograph.

(I'm not trying to pick on you, but come on- no point in dragging the guy's name through the mud.)


I'm not! I thought this was old stuff. I have nothing but respect for Cho as a designer. I was just using him as an example because I thought this stuff fell under the same category.

geekfactor12


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tgentry wrote:Like I said, I don't know all of what she said or didn't say, but I will say that the cat image is not changed at all from the original other than a stylistic change. You could run it through a filter in photoshop and that's about as different as it would be from the original. Spryte's design has numerous elements that are not in the original, including seaweed and a portal hatch. Whether it's a good design or not, that's a personal call.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not trying to slam anyone, Spryte, Cho, or the guy that did that cat.


I'm comparing both spryte's and jimiyo's to past work here, both rejected and unrejected. Based on the rejection of spryte's previous Light Graffiti, I think they'll probably both be considered for rejection. They both rely heavily on photographs, though I think jimi's is more stylistically different, so I'd give it the edge to stay. Spryte's still uses all the same lines as the original photograph, which is why Light Graffiti kept getting rejected despite the addition of new design elements.

brizz


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snarkygal wrote:

This doesn't look like your photo or hand drawn to me SPRITE!


a quickie live trace in inkscape using the same color scheme...pretty apparent that's all she did.



tgentry


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snarkygal wrote:You notice she isn't here defending herself, so I don't know why you are.


Ugh, I'm not defending HER, I'm just defending this design as different than those cats or even her own light graffiti. I'll leave now, feel free to do whatever it was you were doing before.

eyeslikesugar


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brizz wrote:a quickie live trace in inkscape using the same color scheme...pretty apparent that's all she did.


Pwned.

-James Cho -EdgarRMcherly Shirt.Woot.Com - Ye Oldest Sucker - 2009

tgentry


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brizz wrote:a quickie live trace in inkscape using the same color scheme...pretty apparent that's all she did.


I won't argue that, though technically if you painted patches of shapes over in Photoshop like she was talking about you could get virtually the same effect. So she either did that or she live traced and then moved some elements around. Either way it was it is at this point.

Andy47240


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snarkygal wrote:You notice she isn't here defending herself, so I don't know why you are.


Spryte may have erred in this matter by leading people to believe something different than the 100% truth, but let's please not run her off. She has been very nice and helpful to new people here like me. I think her design is unique enough even if it was "inspired" by an actual photo. She should be forgiven.
Just my 2 cents.
-Andy



brizz


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tgentry wrote:An animated gif showed it was almost identical, just done in the Cho style. Also the castle is just part of Sprytes design, not the whole design.

Ugh, I feel like the bad guy all of a sudden. Why did I jump into this again?

you aren't the bad guy, and I understand where you are coming from. but take a good look at the above and you'll see without a doubt it was live traced.

It's like the kid from nevada who claimed he had a scholarship to Cal ;)

eyeslikesugar


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Andy47240 wrote:Spryte may have erred in this matter by leading people to believe something different than the 100% truth, but let's please not run her off. She has been very nice and helpful to new people here like me. I think her design is unique enough even if it was "inspired" by an actual photo. She should be forgiven.
Just my 2 cents.
-Andy


This wouldn't be an issue if she didn't keep harping on jimiyo for "using another photograph that is not his own"


Yeeter as well.. she goes around accusing people, and forgets she does it as well.

-James Cho -EdgarRMcherly Shirt.Woot.Com - Ye Oldest Sucker - 2009

AdderXYU


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eyeslikesugar wrote:This wouldn't be an issue if she didn't keep harping on jimiyo for "using another photograph not his own"


FWIW, I'd rather see 1000 live traced everythingintheworlds than one more lolcat of any sort. I say this impartially to the respective designers, but with extreme prejudice against an overused and underintelligent internet fad, and I would be similarly loathing of All Your Base, Juggernaut, RickRoll, l33tsp33k, ytmnd, and any similar "should really be dead by now" internet meme in a design.

snarkygal


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geekfactor12 wrote:I'm comparing both spryte's and jimiyo's to past work here, both rejected and unrejected. Based on the rejection of spryte's previous Light Graffiti, I think they'll probably both be considered for rejection. They both rely heavily on photographs, though I think jimi's is more stylistically different, so I'd give it the edge to stay. Spryte's still uses all the same lines as the original photograph, which is why Light Graffiti kept getting rejected despite the addition of new design elements.


But in Light Graffiti, the MAIN element, the light, remained the same in all versions.

superspryte


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Re: Coeur de la Mer

I'm going to address this because I might as well, right? Yes, I used the photo. No, I didn't trace it. Yes, I used the method exactly like I said. The photo was used as a guide while I drew the image on paper because I'm not so good at visualizing some things. I then closed the window so it wouldn't look identical. This is where I should point out that I'm a professionally trained interior designer. I am trained to draw exactly what I see as accurately as possible. Apparently I was trained too well; this is the first time I find myself wishing I was a lesser student.

Thanks for tgentry for the support. Especially since you hadn't spoken to me.

I loved jimiyo's image and voted for it. I'm pretty sure he also did it as a joke, hence the mentioning of the image and rejection. Yeeter's cute critter was (is? I haven't looked) bound to the same fate as Light Graffiti, and for similar reasons. I decided to give warning to save that crushing feeling. Speaking of Light Graffiti, that's when I decided I wouldn't trace anything anymore unless I or a friend took the picture, even hand tracing. If this gets rejected for using a photo that's not mine, fine, but it was *not* traced. Let me say again and again, it was *not* traced, and to anyone I talked method to, that's how it was done.

But wow, looking at that image, it really is close. I didn't look at it after I sketched it on purpose, but seeing that, I wouldn't believe me either. So, if you don't believe me I don't fault you for it, because, damn. I don't know if I should be proud or angry that it came out that close.

There you have it.

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geekfactor12


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snarkygal wrote:But in Light Graffiti, the MAIN element, the light, remained the same in all versions.


Exactly- the main element of the castle is from a copyrighted picture here. That's why I'd suspect rejection.

eyeslikesugar


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superspryte wrote:I'm going to address this because I might as well, right? Yes, I used the photo. No, I didn't trace it. Yes, I used the method exactly like I said. The photo was used as a guide while I drew the image on paper because I'm not so good at visualizing some things. I then closed the window so it wouldn't look identical. This is where I should point out that I'm a professionally trained interior designer. I am trained to draw exactly what I see as accurately as possible. Apparently I was trained too well; this is the first time I find myself wishing I was a lesser student.

Thanks for tgentry for the support. Especially since you hadn't spoken to me.

I loved jimiyo's image and voted for it. I'm pretty sure he also did it as a joke, hence the mentioning of the image and rejection. Yeeter's cute critter was (is? I haven't looked) bound to the same fate as Light Graffiti, and for similar reasons. I decided to give warning to save that crushing feeling. Speaking of Light Graffiti, that's when I decided I wouldn't trace anything anymore unless I or a friend took the picture, even hand tracing. If this gets rejected for using a photo that's not mine, fine, but it was *not* traced. Let me say again and again, it was *not* traced, and to anyone I talked method to, that's how it was done.

But wow, looking at that image, it really is close. I didn't look at it after I sketched it on purpose, but seeing that, I wouldn't believe me either. So, if you don't believe me I don't fault you for it, because, damn. I don't know if I should be proud or angry that it came out that close.

There you have it.


Why not just post your drawing? Scan it in. Post it.

-James Cho -EdgarRMcherly Shirt.Woot.Com - Ye Oldest Sucker - 2009

snarkygal


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Andy47240 wrote:Spryte may have erred in this matter by leading people to believe something different than the 100% truth, but let's please not run her off. She has been very nice and helpful to new people here like me. I think her design is unique enough even if it was "inspired" by an actual photo. She should be forgiven.
Just my 2 cents.
-Andy


We aren't trying to run her off Andy. We are just trying to point out that she has not been honest. She also has been telling people they are going to be rejected for using photos that aren't theirs, but we have just proven that she has done the exact same thing.

Patchitect


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eyeslikesugar wrote:Pwned.


Hardly.. that livetrace version vacuums.. and it would take more work then doing it by hand to modify it to look the same..
again.. i'm seeing ability, not automation...

jimiyo


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" tgentry wrote: I will say that the cat image is not changed at all from the original other than a stylistic change. You could run it through a filter in photoshop and that's about as different as it would be from the original."

man, check out those EVOCATIVE EYES! aint no photoshop filter for cute sad eyes! even ceiling cat, you CANT get that out of a filter.if you could, there would be much better art here being submitted. i dont use filters, unless they are helpful in enhancing. im no noob.

"the guy that did that cat."

hi, my names is jimiyo.

man i dont care, i did that cat in like 20 minutes. then it took 5 minutes to size to 600, 240, and upload.

hey ya'll, I just did the most awesome piece of work EVER. Im going to submit it to Designbyhumans. I would submit it here for a daily, but $500 is too low. DBH pays out $3500 total if you get the shirt of the month. Woot never got back to me about the quitter one anyways...

this is literally about 3-4 years worth of work. i recently went thru all my old art, taking pieces out to make stock vectors, and then i collaged them all.



regardless you should vote for
Halp Cat and I Heart Mr Potato Head

Halp Cat
I Heart Mr Potato Head


eyeslikesugar


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jimiyo wrote:" tgentry wrote: I will say that the cat image is not changed at all from the original other than a stylistic change. You could run it through a filter in photoshop and that's about as different as it would be from the original."

man, check out those EVOCATIVE EYES! aint no photoshop filter for cute sad eyes! even ceiling cat, you CANT get that out of a filter.if you could, there would be much better art here being submitted. i dont use filters, unless they are helpful in enhancing. im no noob.

"the guy that did that cat."

hi, my names is jimiyo.

man i dont care, i did that cat in like 20 minutes. then it took 5 minutes to size to 600, 240, and upload.

hey ya'll, I just did the most awesome piece of work EVER. Im going to submit it to Designbyhumans. I would submit it here for a daily, but $500 is too low. DBH pays out $3500 total if you get the shirt of the month. Woot never got back to me about the quitter one anyways...

this is literally about 3-4 years worth of work. i recently went thru all my old art, taking pieces out to make stock vectors, and then i collaged them all.



regardless you should vote for
Halp Cat and I Heart Mr Potato Head

Halp Cat
I Heart Mr Potato Head


Nicely done! Good luck. Let us know how it goes on DBH.

-James Cho -EdgarRMcherly Shirt.Woot.Com - Ye Oldest Sucker - 2009

tgentry


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jimiyo wrote:"
"the guy that did that cat."

hi, my names is jimiyo.


Heh, sorry about that. I have short term memory problems and was busy trying to avoid getting stoned. Jimiyo noted.

Best of luck on the DBH sub, I'd be suprised if it didn't get printed.

Patchitect


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jimiyo wrote:" tgentry wrote: I will say that the cat image is not changed at all from the original other than a stylistic change. You could run it through a filter in photoshop and that's about as different as it would be from the original."

man, check out those EVOCATIVE EYES! aint no photoshop filter for cute sad eyes! even ceiling cat, you CANT get that out of a filter.if you could, there would be much better art here being submitted. i dont use filters, unless they are helpful in enhancing. im no noob.

"the guy that did that cat."

hi, my names is jimiyo.

man i dont care, i did that cat in like 20 minutes. then it took 5 minutes to size to 600, 240, and upload.

hey ya'll, I just did the most awesome piece of work EVER. Im going to submit it to Designbyhumans. I would submit it here for a daily, but $500 is too low. DBH pays out $3500 total if you get the shirt of the month. Woot never got back to me about the quitter one anyways...

this is literally about 3-4 years worth of work. i recently went thru all my old art, taking pieces out to make stock vectors, and then i collaged them all.



regardless you should vote for
Halp Cat and I Heart Mr Potato Head

Halp Cat
I Heart Mr Potato Head


fantastic.. i wouldnt waste that on woot either.. you'd prolly be told its too girly, or "wurst woot evah" or some such...

snarkygal


quality posts: 5 Private Messages snarkygal
jimiyo wrote:" tgentry wrote: I will say that the cat image is not changed at all from the original other than a stylistic change. You could run it through a filter in photoshop and that's about as different as it would be from the original."

man, check out those EVOCATIVE EYES! aint no photoshop filter for cute sad eyes! even ceiling cat, you CANT get that out of a filter.if you could, there would be much better art here being submitted. i dont use filters, unless they are helpful in enhancing. im no noob.

"the guy that did that cat."

hi, my names is jimiyo.

man i dont care, i did that cat in like 20 minutes. then it took 5 minutes to size to 600, 240, and upload.

hey ya'll, I just did the most awesome piece of work EVER. Im going to submit it to Designbyhumans. I would submit it here for a daily, but $500 is too low. DBH pays out $3500 total if you get the shirt of the month. Woot never got back to me about the quitter one anyways...

this is literally about 3-4 years worth of work. i recently went thru all my old art, taking pieces out to make stock vectors, and then i collaged them all.



regardless you should vote for
Halp Cat and I Heart Mr Potato Head

Halp Cat
I Heart Mr Potato Head



This is absolutely amazing! Good luck with it at DBH. I would buy this in a heartbeat.

superspryte


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eyeslikesugar wrote:Why not just post your drawing? Scan it in. Post it.

If you think it'll make a difference, certainly. I'm scanning it now.

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brizz


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jimiyo wrote:" tgentry wrote: I will say that the cat image is not changed at all from the original other than a stylistic change. You could run it through a filter in photoshop and that's about as different as it would be from the original."

man, check out those EVOCATIVE EYES! aint no photoshop filter for cute sad eyes! even ceiling cat, you CANT get that out of a filter.if you could, there would be much better art here being submitted. i dont use filters, unless they are helpful in enhancing. im no noob.

"the guy that did that cat."

hi, my names is jimiyo.

man i dont care, i did that cat in like 20 minutes. then it took 5 minutes to size to 600, 240, and upload.

hey ya'll, I just did the most awesome piece of work EVER. Im going to submit it to Designbyhumans. I would submit it here for a daily, but $500 is too low. DBH pays out $3500 total if you get the shirt of the month. Woot never got back to me about the quitter one anyways...

this is literally about 3-4 years worth of work. i recently went thru all my old art, taking pieces out to make stock vectors, and then i collaged them all.



regardless you should vote for
Halp Cat and I Heart Mr Potato Head

Halp Cat
I Heart Mr Potato Head



*giggles* tee-hees!

you're good people jimi....and that piece is incredible. just awesome!

superspryte


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superspryte wrote:If you think it'll make a difference, certainly. I'm scanning it now.


This is the sketch. I bet if you do the little animated gif thing with it it'll be pretty close too. Maybe not, I dunno, but probably.



Click for larger version.

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LadyChic


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brizz wrote:*giggles* tee-hees!

you're good people jimi....and that piece is incredible. just awesome!




is that your final answer?

brizz


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LadyChic wrote:

is that your final answer?


huh?

superspryte


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snarkygal wrote:You notice she isn't here defending herself, so I don't know why you are.

I was at a meeting. Nobody can be glued to the computer all the time.

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superspryte


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geekfactor12 wrote:Spryte's still uses all the same lines as the original photograph, which is why Light Graffiti kept getting rejected despite the addition of new design elements.

I agree. Doesn't mean I didn't want it as a shirt, but I agree.

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Bryan818


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jimiyo wrote:" tgentry wrote: I will say that the cat image is not changed at all from the original other than a stylistic change. You could run it through a filter in photoshop and that's about as different as it would be from the original."

man, check out those EVOCATIVE EYES! aint no photoshop filter for cute sad eyes! even ceiling cat, you CANT get that out of a filter.if you could, there would be much better art here being submitted. i dont use filters, unless they are helpful in enhancing. im no noob.

forget contests you need to start a clothing line
"the guy that did that cat."

hi, my names is jimiyo.

man i dont care, i did that cat in like 20 minutes. then it took 5 minutes to size to 600, 240, and upload.

hey ya'll, I just did the most awesome piece of work EVER. Im going to submit it to Designbyhumans. I would submit it here for a daily, but $500 is too low. DBH pays out $3500 total if you get the shirt of the month. Woot never got back to me about the quitter one anyways...

this is literally about 3-4 years worth of work. i recently went thru all my old art, taking pieces out to make stock vectors, and then i collaged them all.



regardless you should vote for
Halp Cat and I Heart Mr Potato Head

Halp Cat
I Heart Mr Potato Head

Please check it out

jimiyo


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Bryan818 wrote:


Hey Guys...

Help me out... Go Vote for

Halp Cat
I Heart Mr Potato Head

OR REALLY,

I WANT YOU TO VOTE FOR THIS... It got accepted to DBH






bluchez


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jimiyo wrote:Hey Guys...

Help me out... Go Vote for

Halp Cat
I Heart Mr Potato Head

OR REALLY,

I WANT YOU TO VOTE FOR THIS... It got accepted to DBH


what, so now you're using vector packs available online as well? Has the world gone mad? LINK TO VECTOR PACKS FOR SELL!!!

I keed, I keed, but... I plug, I plug...

klawrence


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jimiyo wrote:


regardless you should vote for
Halp Cat and I Heart Mr Potato Head

Halp Cat
I Heart Mr Potato Head


This is really gorgeous.

Also, Spryte: I commend your sketching abilities. The images really do look similar, and I can see where some people may have thought you traced it. I would take it as a compliment. (;

kriscad


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bluchez wrote:what, so now you're using vector packs available online as well? Has the world gone mad? LINK TO VECTOR PACKS FOR SELL!!!

I keed, I keed, but... I plug, I plug...


ouch!!!!

superspryte


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klawrence wrote:This is really gorgeous.

Also, Spryte: I commend your sketching abilities. The images really do look similar, and I can see where some people may have thought you traced it. I would take it as a compliment. (;

Thanks. Like I said, on one hand I'm proud of myself. On the other I'm really irritated because I failed to make it different with my method.

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snarkygal


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jimiyo wrote:Hey Guys...

Help me out... Go Vote for

Halp Cat
I Heart Mr Potato Head

OR REALLY,

I WANT YOU TO VOTE FOR THIS... It got accepted to DBH


voted over at DBH!

SailorButterfly


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Re: Coeur de la Mer


Ok, wow. I have read every post in here and I think most of the other ones spread out all over this derby about this design. I have to be honest. I voted for the shirt right when it was submitted because I thought it was pretty. When people starting saying it was traced, stolen, whatever, I actually believed them and took my vote back. After reading your defense, though, spryte...I believe you. And even though my pitiful vote doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, I gave it back. I'm sorry that you've had to endure so many hateful comments about your design and I hope you'll accept my apology for believing the trolls for a little while. You keep up the good work and don't pay any attention to the haters. This shirt is doing well...even if it doesn't place, it's close and I'm sure you'll get there one day if you keep trying. ^^

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The "Most Awesome Butterfly-Sailor Hybrid on Woot"

superspryte


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SailorButterfly wrote:Ok, wow. I have read every post in here and I think most of the other ones spread out all over this derby about this design. I have to be honest. I voted for the shirt right when it was submitted because I thought it was pretty. When people starting saying it was traced, stolen, whatever, I actually believed them and took my vote back. After reading your defense, though, spryte...I believe you. And even though my pitiful vote doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, I gave it back. I'm sorry that you've had to endure so many hateful comments about your design and I hope you'll accept my apology for believing the trolls for a little while. You keep up the good work and don't pay any attention to the haters. This shirt is doing well...even if it doesn't place, it's close and I'm sure you'll get there one day if you keep trying. ^^


Hey thanks. That means a lot to hear it. And don't say your vote is pitiful. All of the votes I've gotten are single votes. ^_~ And I don't hold the taking away against you. These things happen.

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tgentry


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jimiyo wrote:Thanks Snarkygal! (and anyone else, if I missed it, Thank you... this forum GOES and GOES.... )

BTW... The Bears in the Tummy shirt... cute idea. wish the bears were more cute and scared looking.

and theres some worm shirt? I gotta go find it.
shirt.woot for some reason makes my browser mess up.

I finished and submitted another mish mash tee for http://www.canubelieveit.com/...


Are you reusing the same vector clip art in your different shirt designs? This is similar to one you have on your website.

Also, I really dig your pixel Mario. I saw it over at conceptart.org. Wish that could be put on a shirt.

bluchez


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tgentry wrote:Are you reusing the same vector clip art in your different shirt designs? This is similar to one you have on your website.


wow. just. wow.

jimiyo


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tgentry wrote:Are you reusing the same vector clip art in your different shirt designs? This is similar to one you have on your website.


yeah, thats why i said its a mish mash... i know you are trying to take subtle stab at me, but i do all original work too.

these are work in progress... sure they use some elements ive used before... but the main content, is new and hand drawn and original

BTW, I make the clip art i use.




and how bout I Heart Mr Potato Head...

its how the industry works man.
if you want to be creative and make something TOTALLY NEW for every shirt you design, good luck trying to keep up with the rent.

all this hatin up in here...

geekfactor12


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jimiyo wrote:yeah, thats why i said its a mish mash... i know you are trying to take subtle stab at me, but i do all original work too.

these are work in progress... sure they use some elements ive used before... but the main content, is new and hand drawn and original

BTW, I make the clip art i use.




and how bout I Heart Mr Potato Head...

its how the industry works man.
if you want to be creative and make something TOTALLY NEW for every shirt you design, good luck trying to keep up with the rent.

all this hatin up in here...


Awesome stuff, Jimiyo! That pirate is badass...

eyeslikesugar


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jimiyo wrote:yeah, thats why i said its a mish mash... i know you are trying to take subtle stab at me, but i do all original work too.

these are work in progress... sure they use some elements ive used before... but the main content, is new and hand drawn and original

BTW, I make the clip art i use.




and how bout I Heart Mr Potato Head...

its how the industry works man.
if you want to be creative and make something TOTALLY NEW for every shirt you design, good luck trying to keep up with the rent.

all this hatin up in here...


I didn't care much for the last shirt you posted... but these images rock! You are very talented. =)

-James Cho -EdgarRMcherly Shirt.Woot.Com - Ye Oldest Sucker - 2009

brizz


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jimiyo wrote:yeah, thats why i said its a mish mash... i know you are trying to take subtle stab at me, but i do all original work too.

these are work in progress... sure they use some elements ive used before... but the main content, is new and hand drawn and original

BTW, I make the clip art i use.




and how bout I Heart Mr Potato Head...

its how the industry works man.
if you want to be creative and make something TOTALLY NEW for every shirt you design, good luck trying to keep up with the rent.

all this hatin up in here...



So money. lmfao!

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jimiyo wrote:yeah, thats why i said its a mish mash... i know you are trying to take subtle stab at me, but i do all original work too.


I went through your website, I understand you created it all. I actually like your work a lot and I wasn't trying to take a stab at you, I was just wondering why you didn't use different design elements for the different shirts. I think that would make each design more unique.

And thanks for the tip on how the industry works. Sheesh.

snarkygal


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jimiyo wrote:yeah, thats why i said its a mish mash... i know you are trying to take subtle stab at me, but i do all original work too.

these are work in progress... sure they use some elements ive used before... but the main content, is new and hand drawn and original

BTW, I make the clip art i use.






and how bout I Heart Mr Potato Head...

its how the industry works man.
if you want to be creative and make something TOTALLY NEW for every shirt you design, good luck trying to keep up with the rent.

all this hatin up in here...


You rock Jimiyo.

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please please vote for the potato head octopus thing

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tgentry wrote:I went through your website, I understand you created it all. I actually like your work a lot and I wasn't trying to take a stab at you, I was just wondering why you didn't use different design elements for the different shirts. I think that would make each design more unique.

And thanks for the tip on how the industry works. Sheesh.


Yeah, I wonder why he took offense? I love it when people call my work clip art!

(Come on, dude- that was a total stab)

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geekfactor12 wrote:Yeah, I wonder why he took offense? I love it when people call my work clip art!

(Come on, dude- that was a total stab)


Sorry, Vector Art. I thought they were the same thing. They are for sale through his site, I thought that what clip art was. Honestly I don't know much about the difference between the two, so my apologies.

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tgentry wrote:Sorry, Vector Art. I thought they were the same thing. They are for sale through his site, I thought that what clip art was. Honestly I don't know much about the difference between the two, so my apologies.


That's probably why he's giving you tips on the industry, sheesh. ;)

snarkygal


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tgentry wrote:Sorry, Vector Art. I thought they were the same thing. They are for sale through his site, I thought that what clip art was. Honestly I don't know much about the difference between the two, so my apologies.


Are we supposed to believe that?

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tgentry wrote:I went through your website, I understand you created it all. I actually like your work a lot and I wasn't trying to take a stab at you, I was just wondering why you didn't use different design elements for the different shirts. I think that would make each design more unique.

And thanks for the tip on how the industry works. Sheesh.


my bad, i was on the offensive.

you are right about making them unique.

whats disappointing is that ive made totally original work for DBH and even I heart Mr Potato head, and its not worth my time,

why spend 5-7 hours on a piece like I heart Mr Potato head, Vader Tee, Kabuki Tee, etc etc

when i pump out Halp Cat, and it jumps right up the charts...

as an artist, i think it vacuums that to win, or to keep up with commerce, you have to sacrifice ones own vision sometimes, sell out a little bit, to pay the rent.

like DBH.... i think next month, im doing mish mash, rainbow out my butt colors, of birds or something moderately clever, then ill win. cause they dont really like my darker art there... gets no attention.

and threadless... its all clever ideas and cartoons over there...

end soapbox.

march is sell out month. march, i dont do what i want. i do things i know people will like.

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snarkygal wrote:Are we supposed to believe that?


Honestly I don't care what you believe snarky. You're always are out to start something, so who really cares? I already talked to him privately and made it clear that I had no ill intentions in my comments. I have respect for anyone that creates work of that caliber. It has nothing to do with you does it?

eyeslikesugar


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jimiyo wrote:my bad, i was on the offensive.

you are right about making them unique.

whats disappointing is that ive made totally original work for DBH and even I heart Mr Potato head, and its not worth my time,

why spend 5-7 hours on a piece like I heart Mr Potato head, Vader Tee, Kabuki Tee, etc etc

when i pump out Halp Cat, and it jumps right up the charts...

as an artist, i think it vacuums that to win, or to keep up with commerce, you have to sacrifice ones own vision sometimes, sell out a little bit, to pay the rent.

like DBH.... i think next month, im doing mish mash, rainbow out my butt colors, of birds or something moderately clever, then ill win. cause they dont really like my darker art there... gets no attention.

and threadless... its all clever ideas and cartoons over there...

end soapbox.

march is sell out month. march, i dont do what i want. i do things i know people will like.


I just had to say.. tgent led me to your site b/c of the snippy comment.. and I've been staring at your portfolio in awe. If you pump out stuff to pay the rent, that's all good; but, your art is incredible. You actually are much better than the derby; you need to submit a daily. I need a jimiyo woot.shirt. =D

Faves: 1
2
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Ok...n/m.. they're all excellent, and you're very cute!

-James Cho -EdgarRMcherly Shirt.Woot.Com - Ye Oldest Sucker - 2009

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jimiyo wrote:
march is sell out month. march, i dont do what i want. i do things i know people will like.


It makes me sad to hear any artist use the word 'sellout'. I understand the need to pay the rent and make money from your art, but I wubble thinking that one's artistic vision is being compromised. Always a slippery slide for the starving artist.

Stick with your visions Jimiyo - You are very talented and I think you have a wonderful eye.

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eyeslikesugar wrote:I need a jimiyo woot.shirt. =D


thanks eyeslikesugar!

i submitted one, but i never got a response. its been about a week. so im submitting it elsewhere. ill try to do another one.

im cool with tgentry. lets all be friends! ;j hehe.
i wubble when i let the internet mess up my tshang tshung... i mean feng tshung... feng shu...

chi.

** rats, and cats are my thing.... ha... blush. *** ;j

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jimiyo wrote:thanks eyeslikesugar!

i submitted one, but i never got a response. its been about a week. so im submitting it elsewhere. ill try to do another one.

im cool with tgentry. lets all be friends! ;j hehe.
i wubble when i let the internet mess up my tshang tshung... i mean feng tshung... feng shu...

chi.


Give the daily subs time. Sometimes it can take two+ weeks for Joel to get back to you.

I think a Pixel Mario style design would be great if could be translated to six colors.

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tgentry wrote:Honestly I don't care what you believe snarky. You're always are out to start something, so who really cares? I already talked to him privately and made it clear that I had no ill intentions in my comments. I have respect for anyone that creates work of that caliber. It has nothing to do with you does it?


Tgentry no one gets more frustrated by stupid people on here than I do....but please don't go down that road. You are better than that. You are a premium designer and a fair and decent person and I would wubble to see these trolls take that away from you.

Keep up the good work - avoid the noids

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tgentry wrote:Give the daily subs time.


OK, ill put it on the backburner. i want to revise it anyways.

tgentry


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DigitalDonkey wrote:Tgentry no one gets more frustrated by stupid people on here than I do....but please don't go down that road. You are better than that. You are a premium designer and a fair and decent person and I would wubble to see these trolls take that away from you.

Keep up the good work - avoid the noids


Thanks DigDonk (if I can be so bold as to coin you a nickname). I try to avoid these types of things as much as possible. Sometimes phrasing something the wrong way can really blow up in your face, especially when you have no ill will intended.

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jimiyo wrote:
whats disappointing is that ive made totally original work for DBH and even I heart Mr Potato head, and its not worth my time,

why spend 5-7 hours on a piece like I heart Mr Potato head, Vader Tee, Kabuki Tee, etc etc

when i pump out Halp Cat, and it jumps right up the charts...

as an artist, i think it vacuums that to win, or to keep up with commerce, you have to sacrifice ones own vision sometimes, sell out a little bit, to pay the rent.



And there it is summed up perfectly. And why some of us get frustrated with the derbies - though I'm sure someone else will tell us it's the voters who matter and not our sensibilities as artists.
But, I'll never believe that. No matter how we pay the rent at times, we are still artists. Compromising does not mean compromising yourself.
I love your work jimiyo. You have a great eye and a true gift.
Also, that self-portrait rocks.

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geekfactor12 wrote:Yeah, I wonder why he took offense? I love it when people call my work clip art!

(Come on, dude- that was a total stab)

He makes vector packs. Maybe I'm dumb but I didn't see that as a stab. At least not an intentional one.

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DigitalDonkey wrote:Tgentry no one gets more frustrated by stupid people on here than I do....but please don't go down that road. You are better than that. You are a premium designer and a fair and decent person and I would wubble to see these trolls take that away from you.

Keep up the good work - avoid the noids


you're a real charmer. you must be a blast at parties.

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jimiyo wrote:whats disappointing is that ive made totally original work for DBH and even I heart Mr Potato head, and its not worth my time,

why spend 5-7 hours on a piece like I heart Mr Potato head, Vader Tee, Kabuki Tee, etc etc

when i pump out Halp Cat, and it jumps right up the charts...

as an artist, i think it vacuums that to win, or to keep up with commerce, you have to sacrifice ones own vision sometimes, sell out a little bit, to pay the rent.

Yep. And it includes all artistic jobs. Interior design is the same way. Sad and scary. T_T;

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brizz wrote:you're a real charmer. you must be a blast at parties.


your best entry ever got 24 votes- your an expert at nothing but being a tool

keep up the good work.

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DigitalDonkey wrote:your best entry ever got 24 votes- your an expert at nothing but being a tool

keep up the good work.

Naughty naughty. Personal attacks are a no-no, Sayah.

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DigitalDonkey wrote:your best entry ever got 24 votes- your an expert at nothing but being a tool

keep up the good work.

actually, my french shirt had 60something and was climbing before wooterer got it rejected. and how many have you done? I've never claimed to be an artist. *shrugs*

all you do is personally attack people. it's quite appalling. your mother must be very proud.

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superspryte wrote:Naughty naughty. Personal attacks are a no-no, Sayah.


But Sayah doesn't do personal attacks! He spent an entire shirt thread insisting this!

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brizz wrote:actually, my french shirt had 60something and was climbing before wooterer got it rejected. and how many have you done? I've never claimed to be an artist. *shrugs*

all you do is personally attack people. it's quite appalling. your mother must be very proud.


*giggles* tee-hees! coming from the biggest tool on here, I take that as a compliment

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AdderXYU wrote:But Sayah doesn't do personal attacks! He spent an entire shirt thread insisting this!


h doesnt, i do
deal with it

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DigitalDonkey wrote:h doesnt, i do
deal with it

Personal attacks are a good way to get probation. I'm letting you know before you say too much and something happens. Just in case you didn't know. ^_^

EDIT: A looooooong probation. 200 hours or something.

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superspryte wrote:Personal attacks are a good way to get probation. I'm letting you know before you say too much and something happens. Just in case you didn't know. ^_^

EDIT: A looooooong probation. 200 hours or something.


Ive never had a probation - are u an expert in the field?
I leave more nice comments than mean -
your the one that interjected into a comment between me and tgentry

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superspryte wrote:Personal attacks are a good way to get probation. I'm letting you know before you say too much and something happens. Just in case you didn't know. ^_^

EDIT: A looooooong probation. 200 hours or something.


We'll see. Apparently that only happens to respected and talented contributors.

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DigitalDonkey wrote:Ive never had a probation - are u an expert in the field?
I leave more nice comments than mean -
your the one that interjected into a comment between me and tgentry


I reported a post of yours once, and I do remember a dog next to your name.

-James Cho -EdgarRMcherly Shirt.Woot.Com - Ye Oldest Sucker - 2009

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DigitalDonkey wrote:dude there are no respected designers left here anymore - Poor Bryan and Tgentry and Cho get lambasted by the wannabe tracers wishing they could garner more than a handful of votes.

i dont have to know how to us MS Paint or Photoshop to have an opinion


1) Did you really lump Bryan in with Tgentry and Cho?

2) You told Brizz that his opinion sucked because you thought his entries sucked. Doesn't that counteract your opinion that you don't need to know how to make an entry to have an opinion?

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DigitalDonkey wrote:Ive never had a probation - are u an expert in the field?
I leave more nice comments than mean -
your the one that interjected into a comment between me and tgentry

Hey, like I said, I was letting you know in case you didn't know. You're also posting in a public forum. That's not butting in. You can argue in PM if you wish, but can we maybe not clutter this entry thread with bickering? You can discuss over coffee somewhere; it's much more pleasant. I personally don't drink coffee, but a lot of people enjoy it. Tea or cocoa if you prefer.

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eyeslikesugar wrote:I reported a post of yours once, and I do remember a dog next to your name.


are you sure it wasnt a mirror?

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AdderXYU wrote:1) Did you really lump Bryan in with Tgentry and Cho?

2) You told Brizz that his opinion sucked because you thought his entries sucked. Doesn't that counteract your opinion that you don't need to know how to make an entry to have an opinion?


wow that might be the most convuluted logic I have ever read. are you serious?

DigitalDonkey


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superspryte wrote:Hey, like I said, I was letting you know in case you didn't know. You're also posting in a public forum. That's not butting in. You can argue in PM if you wish, but can we maybe not clutter this entry thread with bickering? You can discuss over coffee somewhere; it's much more pleasant. I personally don't drink coffee, but a lot of people enjoy it. Tea or cocoa if you prefer.


you started the clutter - dont look to me to clean up your mess

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DigitalDonkey wrote:wow that might be the most convuluted logic I have ever read. are you serious?


Totally. You implied that his skill impaired his ability to judge other work. Which implies that everyone's skill effects their ability to judge work. People who are at the top of their game have the most valid opinions, obviously, and those who couldn't draw their way out of a paper bag have the least. So, as a non-designer, it would follow you'd have a non-opinion.

Or, perhaps ALL peoples opinions are based only on how informed they seem and how intelligently they can frame their arguments. But that isn't really how you came across.

DigitalDonkey


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AdderXYU wrote:Totally. You implied that his skill impaired his ability to judge other work. Which implies that everyone's skill effects their ability to judge work. People who are at the top of their game have the most valid opinions, obviously, and those who couldn't draw their way out of a paper bag have the least. So, as a non-designer, it would follow you'd have a non-opinion.

Or, perhaps ALL peoples opinions are based only on how informed they seem and how intelligently they can frame their arguments. But that isn't really how you came across.

i can out design your junk any day - using a crayon and toilet paper - I just dont have the time or desire to learn how to convert it to online design.

Im a writer by trade so I dont feel compelled to compete for $500. I graduated college with a double major one being Art History, How about you?

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jimiyo wrote: whats disappointing is that ive made totally original work for DBH and even I heart Mr Potato head, and its not worth my time,


I realize it's not much help if people don't buy it in the end, but have you considered starting your own printshop? I have no idea what kind of time or equipment it requires, but you obviously have talent and you know how to make a website. You seem pretty adept at marketing and getting your name out there too. Might as well make the shirts too. (sorry woot... not trying to send designers away).

I'm a Christmas Unicorn! In a uniform made of gold, with a billy-goat beard, and a sorcerer's shield, and mistletoe on my nose!

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DigitalDonkey wrote:i can out design your junk any day - using a crayon and toilet paper - I just dont have the time or desire to learn how to convert it to online design.

Im a writer by trade so I dont feel compelled to compete for $500. I graduated college with a double major one being Art History, How about you?


If you can figure out the intricacies of a digital camera, I'm sure we'd ALL be interested to see these designs. Until then, we have to go by your logic... the only opinions we trust are those that we can see quality from.

I am impressed by your light touch, though... most people would tear toilet paper trying to write on it, let alone with a tool like a crayon. Did you learn the finer points of this skill while practicing for pissing contests?

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DigitalDonkey wrote:i can out design your junk any day - using a crayon and toilet paper - I just dont have the time or desire to learn how to convert it to online design.

Im a writer by trade so I dont feel compelled to compete for $500. I graduated college with a double major one being Art History, How about you?

AdderXYU wrote:If you can figure out the intricacies of a digital camera, I'm sure we'd ALL be interested to see these designs. Until then, we have to go by your logic... the only opinions we trust are those that we can see quality from.

I am impressed by your light touch, though... most people would tear toilet paper trying to write on it, let alone with a tool like a crayon. Did you learn the finer points of this skill while practicing for pissing contests?



C'mon guys...

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DigitalDonkey


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AdderXYU wrote:If you can figure out the intricacies of a digital camera, I'm sure we'd ALL be interested to see these designs. Until then, we have to go by your logic... the only opinions we trust are those that we can see quality from.

I am impressed by your light touch, though... most people would tear toilet paper trying to write on it, let alone with a tool like a crayon. Did you learn the finer points of this skill while practicing for pissing contests?


so if u need to see quality- you too agree that Brizz' opinion is pretty worthless - thanks for your support...

and its not that im so good at TP - but the competition is weak.

DigitalDonkey


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superspryte wrote:

C'mon guys...


Cmon what - are we going somewhere?

AdderXYU


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DigitalDonkey wrote:so if u need to see quality- you too agree that Brizz' opinion is pretty worthless - thanks for your support...

and its not that im so good at TP - but the competition is weak.


I'm just trying to work from your angle, sir. Talent breeds critique. It's elegant.

Now, given your way with words (a writer, no less), and your skill at dancing, since you've been sidestepping the question, I'm sure you are indeed a very skilled artist. Alas, without proof, you've said yourself, your eloquent critiques are for naught. Please, allow us to truly glean knowledge from your superior execution and unbeatable candor.

DigitalDonkey


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AdderXYU wrote:I'm just trying to work from your angle, sir. Talent breeds critique. It's elegant.

Now, given your way with words (a writer, no less), and your skill at dancing, since you've been sidestepping the question, I'm sure you are indeed a very skilled artist. Alas, without proof, you've said yourself, your eloquent critiques are for naught. Please, allow us to truly glean knowledge from your superior execution and unbeatable candor.


I have nothing to prove - you are nothing to me - why would I waste my time - but have fun further putting your foot in your mouth - it suits you.

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DigitalDonkey wrote:I have nothing to prove - you are nothing to me - why would I waste my time - but have fun further putting your foot in your mouth - it suits you.

Okay, one more question. If you're a writer by trade then why are you ignoring basic grammatical structure and punctuation? You obviously know how to use them. My writing friends are often horrible at spelling, but they know how to properly use an apostrophe and comma and they can't stand the idea of intentionally omitting them. Hyphen too. It's a curiosity to me, so I really would like to know. Call me a collector; these sorts of things intrigue me.

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superspryte wrote:Okay, one more question. If you're a writer by trade then why are you ignoring basic grammatical structure and punctuation? You obviously know how to use them. My writing friends are often horrible at spelling, but they know how to properly use an apostrophe and comma and they can't stand the idea of intentionally omitting them. Hyphen too. It's a curiosity to me, so I really would like to know. Call me a collector; these sorts of things intrigue me.


its called knowing your audience - when you wanna pay me by the word, i will use correct grammar and punctuation for you - cuz thats the kind of guy I am - give give give

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DigitalDonkey wrote:I have nothing to prove - you are nothing to me - why would I waste my time - but have fun further putting your foot in your mouth - it suits you.


No one with nothing to prove lists their degrees on a public forum ;)

But I know it must be toil wasting your time on a nothing like me... and brizz... and spryte... and eyes... and, well, everyone. So I'll bid you goodnight. Can't wait to see that art in the morning

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DigitalDonkey wrote:its called knowing your audience - when you wanna pay me by the word, i will use correct grammar and punctuation for you - cuz thats the kind of guy I am - give give give

...it was actually a serious question...

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AdderXYU wrote:No one with nothing to prove lists their degrees on a public forum ;)

But I know it must be toil wasting your time on a nothing like me... and brizz... and spryte... and eyes... and, well, everyone. So I'll bid you goodnight. Can't wait to see that art in the morning

Hey, speaking of education...I just found out I graduated from the #2 Interior Design program in the country. I didn't know it was ranked that high, ha! The Japanese program rules too, although I don't know if those get ranked. ^_^

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AdderXYU wrote:No one with nothing to prove lists their degrees on a public forum ;)

But I know it must be toil wasting your time on a nothing like me... and brizz... and spryte... and eyes... and, well, everyone. So I'll bid you goodnight. Can't wait to see that art in the morning


you got me- I cant argue with someone who agrees with me - that was a highly unusual tactic you pulled by making my point - threw me off guard. way to go.

DigitalDonkey


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superspryte wrote:...it was actually a serious question...


If your Writer friends worry more about grammar than content, I doubt they make much money if any.

This is my serious question...do you have any idea how many different types of careers there are for writers and how they get paid?

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DigitalDonkey wrote:i can out design your junk any day - using a crayon and toilet paper - I just dont have the time or desire to learn how to convert it to online design.

Im a writer by trade so I dont feel compelled to compete for $500. I graduated college with a double major one being Art History, How about you?


As a writer, why are you afraid of apostrophes?

-James Cho -EdgarRMcherly Shirt.Woot.Com - Ye Oldest Sucker - 2009

DigitalDonkey


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eyeslikesugar wrote:As a writer, why are you afraid of apostrophes?


As a writer - I have only only pet peeve - people who write "looser" when they are trying to say loser.

apostrophes is scary - me not know how to use - i can haz apostrofeeez?

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DigitalDonkey wrote:As a writer - I have only only pet peeve - people who write "looser" when they are trying to say loser.

apostrophes is scary - me not know how to use - i can haz apostrofeeez?


so you right four the onion?
or thrifty nicole?
you gotz blog or anythings?

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jimiyo wrote:yeah, thats why i said its a mish mash... i know you are trying to take subtle stab at me, but i do all original work too.

these are work in progress... sure they use some elements ive used before... but the main content, is new and hand drawn and original

BTW, I make the clip art i use.




and how bout I Heart Mr Potato Head...

its how the industry works man.
if you want to be creative and make something TOTALLY NEW for every shirt you design, good luck trying to keep up with the rent.

all this hatin up in here...


Sweet work man.. i havnt been here much - but what i'm reading this week is making threadless or DBH more attractive... granted i suck, and cant vcompete at that level, but the things that made submitting here fun are slipping away with the B,S that flows freely from acid tongues posing as defenders.

Your stuff is way too good for this kind of juvenile amateur trick pony...

And worth more then 500$

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Shirter wrote:...., but the things that made submitting here fun are slipping away with the B,S that flows freely from acid tongues posing as defenders.....


The kicker is that those doing the most attacking of 'unworthy' submissions are those who complain about a lack of civility in this forum or whine about drive-by, one-line critiques of their own designs. Then they wonder why there's a backlash in the voting that pushes the shirts they wubble the most over the top. It probably never occurs to them that the backlash will also be suffered by the designs of others they link to in their sigs in order to drum up votes.

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parkermc wrote:The kicker is that those doing the most attacking of 'unworthy' submissions are those who complain about a lack of civility in this forum or whine about drive-by, one-line critiques of their own designs. Then they wonder why there's a backlash in the voting that pushes the shirts they wubble the most over the top. It probably never occurs to them that the backlash will also be suffered by the designs of others they link to in their sigs in order to drum up votes.


actually, i find that theres a distinct lack of understanding about the difference between constructive criticism and useless arrogant attacks. I find those who complain about a lack of civility offer constructive criticism, usually an " i like it but..try this, or lookout for this, etc" only to be attacked by those who cant keep a civil tongue in thier mouths to save thier lives.

Its sad really, because helpful comments are sorely needed for beginning designers and new professionals to this site alike, only to be driven off by the foul tempered, vindictive, asinine, and boorish louts that tend to hover here like toxic waste.

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parkermc


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Shirter wrote:actually, i find that theres a distinct lack of understanding about the difference between constructive criticism and useless arrogant attacks. I find those who complain about a lack of civility offer constructive criticism, usually an " i like it but..try this, or lookout for this, etc" only to be attacked by those who cant keep a civil tongue in thier mouths to save thier lives.

Its sad really, because helpful comments are sorely needed for beginning designers and new professionals to this site alike, only to be driven off by the foul tempered, vindictive, asinine, and boorish louts that tend to hover here like toxic waste.


In this derby, I would say that those usually complaining about the lack of civility are the ones you go on to describe in your second paragraph. The longer some designs do well (or are not rejected), the less civil many become. I'd say the dam broke on civility a few weeks back when the filters got such a brutal workout in one night, but the arrogance and downright meanness over the definition of "art" deemed "worthy" of printing will solve nothing. It's a subjective concept. There is no one answer, yet people continue to harp on it.

I've yet to vote for more than one design in this derby. I've been too busy trying to catch up with the posts. This thread, in particular, was amazing. My monitor has been spontaneously bursting into flame when some of the less 'tranquil' posts are onscreen. Thank goodness for fire extinguishers!

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parkermc wrote:In this derby, I would say that those usually complaining about the lack of civility are the ones you go on to describe in your second paragraph. The longer some designs do well (or are not rejected), the less civil many become. I'd say the dam broke on civility a few weeks back when the filters got such a brutal workout in one night, but the arrogance and downright meanness over the definition of "art" deemed "worthy" of printing will solve nothing. It's a subjective concept. There is no one answer, yet people continue to harp on it.

I've yet to vote for more than one design in this derby. I've been too busy trying to catch up with the posts. This thread, in particular, was amazing. My monitor has been spontaneously bursting into flame when some of the less 'tranquil' posts are onscreen. Thank goodness for fire extinguishers!

Is this in my entry thread? Because last I saw it was turning into its own complete forum...

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klswoot wrote:It makes me sad to hear any artist use the word 'sellout'. I understand the need to pay the rent and make money from your art, but I wubble thinking that one's artistic vision is being compromised. Always a slippery slide for the starving artist.

Stick with your visions Jimiyo - You are very talented and I think you have a wonderful eye.


Need to marry rich....

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Shirter wrote:Need to marry rich....

Or have rich patrons like the old masters did. Folks who will finance your art, experiments, endeavors and all. Or, clients who keep you on retainer. Wouldn't that be nice?

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klswoot wrote:Or have rich patrons like the old masters did. Folks who will finance your art, experiments, endeavors and all. Or, clients who keep you on retainer. Wouldn't that be nice?


Oh, how i wish!... i could use a nice sugarmomma right about now.. anyone wanna be mine?

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JadenKale


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Shirter wrote:Oh, how i wish!... i could use a nice sugarmomma right about now.. anyone wanna be mine?


*snickers* too easy....

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JadenKale wrote:*snickers* too easy....


Yes.. she could be easy... wait.. do you mean i'm easy??

yes i am.. easy.. but not cheap

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klswoot


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Shirter wrote:Oh, how i wish!... i could use a nice sugarmomma right about now.. anyone wanna be mine?

Send the sugardaddy my way.

JadenKale


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Shirter wrote:Yes.. she could be easy... wait.. do you mean i'm easy??

yes i am.. easy.. but not cheap


Mucho Dinero *looks all shifty* Hey baby... get a load of this..

ROFLMAO... oh god... dear god, don't probate me.

superspryte


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JadenKale wrote:Mucho Dinero *looks all shifty* Hey baby... get a load of this..

ROFLMAO... oh god... dear god, don't probate me.

Dude, this stuff is *still* under my entry thread? What's going on?!

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JadenKale


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superspryte wrote:Dude, this stuff is *still* under my entry thread? What's going on?!


posting off the last post in the comments thread.

superspryte


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JadenKale wrote:posting off the last post in the comments thread.

Yeah I know, but I didn't realize it was all happening there. I'm already having trouble opening my entry page without everyone making it worse..

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Shirter wrote:Sweet work man..And worth more then 500$


Thanks Shirter.

[size=24]Hey Guys! I finally got my email from Joel. They want me to do a daily. They are not down with Quitter... cause its high in colors and the skull thing... a little played out right now... although it will always be hot like Magnum P[/size]

Rejected one http://www.jimiyo.com/2008/IllSleep.jpg

so I think I might finish Plunderall and submit it. Pirates are in right?

and DBH wants to interview me!!! for a feature... this just hours after i posted my blog about mass media and how media tries to entice you with 'exposure' when its THEY that need you... although in the DBH case, it would help, cause its direct target market, and i submit shirts there.

THANKS GUYS!!!





superspryte


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jimiyo wrote:Thanks Shirter.

[size=24]Hey Guys! I finally got my email from Joel. They want me to do a daily. They are not down with Quitter... cause its high in colors and the skull thing... a little played out right now... although it will always be hot like Magnum P[/size]

Rejected one http://www.jimiyo.com/2008/IllSleep.jpg

so I think I might finish Plunderall and submit it. Pirates are in right?

and DBH wants to interview me!!! for a feature... this just hours after i posted my blog about mass media and how media tries to entice you with 'exposure' when its THEY that need you... although in the DBH case, it would help, cause its direct target market, and i submit shirts there.

THANKS GUYS!!!

If they hadn't already done Rat Rod I'd say that car would probably land you a shirt. Although Rat Rod was a long time ago and a completely different style (the only similarity is an old car, heh) so I doubt it would really matter. The sinking car thing is awesome. Truly awesome. I just wish woot had the original shirt color you used.

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eyeslikesugar wrote:You say cats and rats are your specialty? I'd be down with a cat or a rat. But I'd buy any daily you made, honestly.


Oh please do a cat one...pretty please!!!!

superspryte


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snarkygal wrote:Oh please do a cat one...pretty please!!!!

Jimiyo, take this request. She really does deserve a cat entry. She can probably send you a picture for the coloring too. ^_^

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Congratulations Jimiyo. I have no idea under what derby entry this will appear, but congratulations on getting a daily printed. Can't wait to see what you come up with. I'm sure it will be sensational! (But not a LOLcat please. )

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supersprite wrote:*nonsense*

This is getting silly.

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superspryte


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supersprite wrote:We were begging someone to Just come clean - so then I thought we should do the same.

I liked the new sig you had for a few minutes there. Asking woot to ban you was quite awesome.

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Shirter wrote:Immature is more like it.. what kind of low intelligence braying mule does this kind of bovine excrement?


I love it shirter, but I must say:


superspryte


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supersprite wrote:*yammering*

This was debated and has since been closed. If you like to continue I'd be more than happy to discuss it via PM.

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superspryte


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Shirter wrote:Hee Haw

*giggles* tee-hees!

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eyeslikesugar wrote:I won't leave. This is making time at work go by a looooot faster. =3
*lurks some more*


to be honest, I last looked at the clock and it said 2:30pm on it... it's 4:12pm now *giggles* tee-hees! then again, I'm also pulling files and closing work orders in between this.

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Shirter wrote:the paying customer is more important the the possible loss of multiple customers?


I think woot sees the regs more as "employees". We vote shirts up that they will sell. We design shirts that might end up making them money. And we, like all employees, spend more and act more civilly doing it than the average customer ever will. A frustrated employee will leave and, very likely, take much of their business away, but that is collateral for making sure the guy who hangs out all day and never buys anything is happy browsing his life away.

Is it logical? 'Course not. We'll see what woot does, I suppose.

superspryte


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AdderXYU wrote:I think woot sees the regs more as "employees". We vote shirts up that they will sell. We design shirts that might end up making them money. And we, like all employees, spend more and act more civilly doing it than the average customer ever will. A frustrated employee will leave and, very likely, take much of their business away, but that is collateral for making sure the guy who hangs out all day and never buys anything is happy browsing his life away.

Is it logical? 'Course not. We'll see what woot does, I suppose.

More likely than not he has a dynamic IP, which means woot would be hard-pressed to get rid of him. There's nothing to be done but ban each name in turn. Unless woot has special juju magic. In which case, nevermind.

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parkermc wrote:Okay, I know this is two days old, but I just saw that line and couldn't stop laughing at the irony of it being written by the person with the bright red "Free Cho" sig.

As someone said two days ago, "Cho left man, let it go."

Oh, and Spryte (not to be confused with your recent doppelganger, Sprite), I like your design and am impressed with your sketch. The porthole is a very nice touch.

Hahaha, thanks. For the doppleganger comment as well as the compliment. ^_^

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parkermc wrote:Okay, I know this is two days old, but I just saw that line and couldn't stop laughing at the irony of it being written by the person with the bright red "Free Cho" sig.

As someone said two days ago, "Cho left man, let it go."

Oh, and Spryte (not to be confused with your recent doppelganger, Sprite), I like your design and am impressed with your sketch. The porthole is a very nice touch.


Psst- my Cho sig stays forever

It's meant as a reminder to mods that perhaps giving huge hours of probation on the first offense is a poor choice, as it does send a certain message to the other artists competing. That's why I added the Jimiyo banner as well (though since Jimi is staying, that banner will be removed after this derby).

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tgentry wrote: Also the castle is just part of Sprytes design, not the whole design.


The more I think about this, the more I'm inclined to agree with it. Despite the drama about how the castle may or may not have come to be, it is still one of the most original ideas in the derby.

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geekfactor12 wrote:The more I think about this, the more I'm inclined to agree with it. Despite the drama about how the castle may or may not have come to be, it is still one of the most original ideas in the derby.

Thank you. Even if you don't like the design, I appreciate it. ^_^

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female wrote:Wow, I hope your self congratulatory attitude is tounge in cheek. For someone who traces photos for a living you seem really high on yourself.


take a look at his website. it's but one tool of many that go into graphic design.

geekfactor12


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female wrote:Wow, I hope your self congratulatory attitude is tounge in cheek. For someone who traces photos for a living you seem really high on yourself.


Er, you do know that using a livetrace filter is very different from creating a stylistically different artistic interpretation of a photograph, right? The first creates derivative work, while the second is a tried and true illustration technique.

Jimi does awesome work, and if that hummingbird is what we're calling out as a tracing these days... Wow, I just don't know what to say to that.

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brizz wrote:take a look at his website. it's but one tool of many that go into graphic design.


Yeah, that doesn't account for his pompous attitude. He seems to genuinely think he's creating great art. "Look at that amazing job I did on this or that!" Hyping his stuff on other people's threads... especially crass. I like to assume it was all just tounge in cheek.

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female wrote:Yeah, that doesn't account for his pompous attitude. He seems to genuinely think he's creating great art. "Look at that amazing job I did on this or that!" Hyping his stuff on other people's threads... especially crass. I like to assume it was all just tounge in cheek.


the idiotic post he was replying to practically begged for it. it's called sarcasm.

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brizz wrote:the idiotic post he was replying to practically begged for it. it's called sarcasm.


I read through some of his other comments too. He posted a lot of stuff pointing out what's great about this or that in his work. Hopefully that was all sarcasm too.

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female wrote:I read through some of his other comments too. He posted a lot of stuff pointing out what's great about this or that in his work. Hopefully that was all sarcasm too.




me and Bluchez... we's gonna be like Cool Hand Luke and Dragline (George Kennedy), we's gonna take the beatin, and keep on comin back Boss!

(btw, its obvious im jimiyo, and i would like to defend myself, as not being pompous, i dont point my work out as being great, NEVER, i may however say im happy with a piece because i spent all my energies trying to get it right, cause i work my arse off. so you go on with your lies. i post stuff, and hope that people like it. i let them judge. Cheers!)

moderator, you should let this post survive and not delete it cause the Paul Newman reference is cool. even if he does make salad dressing now.

this is the last post from cool hand luke 2

jamescho84


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geekfactor12 wrote:
Jimi does awesome work, and if that hummingbird is what we're calling out as a tracing these days... Wow, I just don't know what to say to that.

I'm back here to say Jimi is my new hero. Jimi owns, jimi is the man, I aspire to be jimi. GO JIMI GO. i've already learned a lot just by looking at what you've done so far. Brilliant execution, your eye for detail and composition amazes me. I hope you win and keep winning Jimi. Much Love

Cho

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female wrote:I read through some of his other comments too. He posted a lot of stuff pointing out what's great about this or that in his work. Hopefully that was all sarcasm too.


dont h8. don't be a h8er.

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jamescho84 wrote:dont h8. don't be a h8er.



Cho!

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