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Holy Game

Holy Game
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DogHater


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What self-respecting football fan over the age of three would actually wear this? Your family votes for you, don't they?

princessbunny


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DogHater wrote:What self-respecting football fan over the age of three would actually wear this? Your family votes for you, don't they?


There are many females on this website that may find this cute; based on sales figures for other CUTE based designs. There are also many people that buy shirts for their kids. Categorically, I am not a huge Walmazan fan, but the designs are what they are and the voters will decide.

acraigl


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DogHater wrote:What self-respecting football fan over the age of three would actually wear this? Your family votes for you, don't they?


While I'll agree that this (and many other) derby entries aren't sticking to the rules this week (at least as I interpreted them) of something a mega sports fan would wear, there's no reason to attack.

walmazan has quite a following and lots of folks like his style. I'm not surprised this is in the fog.

VOTE >

DogHater


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Ah, the brigade of white knights are arriving. I expect the rest of his "following" will be here once their cats lick them in the face and wake them up.

The same face, same sharpie drawings... such diversity! Let's reward "Captain Crayon" for dipping into his reservoir of coloring book artwork and gifting us with the same stuff every week. Hey, if we can get a few in at a time, we can call it a "series"!



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princessbunny


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DogHater wrote:Ah, the brigade of white knights are arriving. I expect the rest of his "following" will be here once their cats lick them in the face and wake them up.

The same face, same sharpie drawings... such diversity! Let's reward "Captain Crayon" for dipping into his reservoir of coloring book artwork and gifting us with the same stuff every week. Hey, if we can get a few in at a time, we can call it a "series"!


You should have been around for Ramyb. You have the tact of AdderXYU. For ppl that have been around Walmazan, has paid his dues and has had many years of no prints at all when he first started. It has taken a long time to nudge his style into the sphere of the common woot buyer.

Sour grapes for those that do not get a print in the first week or two?

acraigl


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DogHater wrote:Ah, the brigade of white knights are arriving. I expect the rest of his "following" will be here once their cats lick them in the face and wake them up.

The same face, same sharpie drawings... such diversity! Let's reward "Captain Crayon" for dipping into his reservoir of coloring book artwork and gifting us with the same stuff every week. Hey, if we can get a few in at a time, we can call it a "series"!


C'mon, really? He's super successful doing what he's doing -- why would he do anything else? Generally speaking his designs are too cutesy for me, so I don't purchase, but you can't argue it works well for others.

Ok, you don't like it? Do better! Where's your design?

VOTE >

DogHater


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My "tact", as you call it is observation. I call it as I see it and express it.

Sour grapes? I'm not upset for not getting any prints. I'm utterly dumbfounded by some of the work that gets voted into the cloud EVERY week. Take that and the fallacious reasoning you rode in on.



princessbunny wrote:You should have been around for Ramyb. You have the tact of AdderXYU. For ppl that have been around Walmazan, has paid his dues and has had many years of no prints at all when he first started. It has taken a long time to nudge his style into the sphere of the common woot buyer.

Sour grapes for those that do not get a print in the first week or two?

DogHater


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My design is in the derby. I won't point any out, for obvious reasons, which is sad, really. A crowd, that I suspect prides itself on objectivity (y'know, the whole "adoration of science" thing), might inject bias toward my work.



acraigl wrote:C'mon, really? He's super successful doing what he's doing -- why would he do anything else? Generally speaking his designs are too cutesy for me, so I don't purchase, but you can't argue it works well for others.

Ok, you don't like it? Do better! Where's your design?

acraigl


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DogHater wrote:My design is in the derby. I won't point any out, for obvious reasons, which is sad, really. A crowd, that I suspect prides itself on objectivity (y'know, the whole "adoration of science" thing), might inject bias toward my work.


Wait -- so you're using an alias to make this criticism?

VOTE >

DogHater


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Yeah, so? Your point is?

acraigl wrote:Wait -- so you're using an alias to make this criticism?

acraigl


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DogHater wrote:Yeah, so? Your point is?


Why hide? if you're worried about these comments negatively affecting your own entries, then you must know you're being inflammatory. Most of us are open to criticism, as long as it's done in a constructive way.

VOTE >

DogHater


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Evidently, I am not concerned with whether anyone is "open" to criticism or not, or how "thin one's skin" might be.

Aside from that, I think that a certain amount of animosity has far greater impact than tying a ribbon around my words and sprinkling some fairy dust over them.

I'm not one for coddling the weak or stupid.
acraigl wrote:Why hide? if you're worried about these comments negatively affecting your own entries, then you must know you're being inflammatory. Most of us are open to criticism, as long as it's done in a constructive way.

princessbunny


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DogHater wrote:

I'm not one for coddling the weak or stupid.


And yet you expect others to extend this courtesy to you, hmmm.

simic


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DogHater wrote:Ah, the brigade of white knights are arriving. I expect the rest of his "following" will be here once their cats lick them in the face and wake them up.

The same face, same sharpie drawings... such diversity! Let's reward "Captain Crayon" for dipping into his reservoir of coloring book artwork and gifting us with the same stuff every week. Hey, if we can get a few in at a time, we can call it a "series"!


I totally understand your frustration. You put a lot of time and effort into your design and it seems unappreciated. Lashing out at a fellow artist is not really productive, though. It's actually the other artists who truly appreciate all of your hard work and talent.

Also, Walmazan has over 8,000 followers on Facebook and he pretty much branded Woot with his style. I am more shocked when he is NOT in the fog. And the voter turnout is pretty low in the winter time, so people who can summon their loyal supporters end up in the fog at first, but then they might start dropping out as more votes accumulate.

Just keep at it. Try to see it as a fun competition where you get to experiment with different styles and maybe get a free tshirt out of it.

Bohsky


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princessbunny wrote:You should have been around for Ramyb.


What is with Ramyb? I have seen him mentioned on forum several times lately in the context of "repeatability", if I got it right. But his catalog doesn't look repeatable as for me. So what was that about?
Don't get me wrong I'm just curious


Narfcake


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Bohsky wrote:What is with Ramyb? I have seen him mentioned on forum several times lately in the context of "repeatability", if I got it right. But his catalog doesn't look repeatable as for me. So what was that about?
Don't get me wrong I'm just curious

He is (was?) shirt.woot's #1 volume seller, and he liked drawing bunnies. A lot. And turtles. A lot. And penguins. A lot. And other cute animals. A lot. Why? Because Wooters loved them and voted for them. A lot. He didn't win every time, but his style garnered a good number of fans -- and critics.

I will say he did diversify more after splitting up with what's-her-thief. And was even helpful, with a good tutorial on halftones.

His success also shows how the derby allows for anyone from any background to practice shirt designing. At the time, he was majoring in neuroscience and aspiring to be a doctor (which all changed, of course). Granted, the audience isn't what it used to be, but nowhere else can an aspiring artist actively participate and (hopefully) hone their skills.

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Bohsky


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Narfcake wrote:He is (was?) shirt.woot's #1 volume seller, and he liked drawing bunnies. A lot. And turtles. A lot. And penguins. A lot. And other cute animals. A lot. Why? Because Wooters loved them and voted for them. A lot. He didn't win every time, but his style garnered a good number of fans -- and critics.

I will say he did diversify more after splitting up with what's-her-thief. And was even helpful, with a good tutorial on halftones.

His success also shows how the derby allows for anyone from any background to practice shirt designing. At the time, he was majoring in neuroscience and aspiring to be a doctor (which all changed, of course). Granted, the audience isn't what it used to be, but nowhere else can an aspiring artist actively participate and (hopefully) hone their skills.


Oh my, such a story! Thanks for the information, Narf!


simic


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Narfcake wrote:

I will say he did diversify more after splitting up with what's-her-thief.


Hold up! There's a new layer to this. Who did he split with and what's the thief comment?

Bohsky


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simic wrote:Hold up! There's a new layer to this. Who did he split with and what's the thief comment?


I have just jumped into that ocean of drama and now I know a little bit . As I understand "what's-her-thief" is sekiyoku, girlfriend (at that time) of Ramy. As I read they were accused of getting too much "inspiration" from other artists too frequently.


MrBignell


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Narfcake wrote:He is (was?) shirt.woot's #1 volume seller, and he liked drawing bunnies. A lot. And turtles. A lot. And penguins. A lot. And other cute animals. A lot. Why? Because Wooters loved them and voted for them. A lot. He didn't win every time, but his style garnered a good number of fans -- and critics.

I will say he did diversify more after splitting up with what's-her-thief. And was even helpful, with a good tutorial on halftones.


Please write more bios like this, Narf. They're just as entertaining as the designs.

Doghater; we've all been there, frustrated over how the wooters woot. I wanna send you a virtual hug 🤗.

And I think the mashups and sci-fi makes sense. Bending the theme interpretation is what makes this interesting. I'm hoping I can catch up w the porguins and their threepeating Mashup.

Narfcake


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MrBignell wrote:Please write more bios like this, Narf. They're just as entertaining as the designs.
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Uh, that's most of it.

Back in the era, there were three major accusations:


    1. Ballot stuffing.
  • Every design that won outsold the votes, with several selling out the entire debut day's production (3k to 6k).
  • A 30th place EC was not in his usual style, but it outsold and outlasted all the other prints from its original derby and the double take derby.
  • Result: Wooters simply like his designs and it wasn't "funny business" that let him win a lot.

    2. Sales manipulation.
  • Back when there was no back catalog, and once a design was sold out, it was gone. Monday mornings were a time of watching which 20 shirts survive and which end up relegated to the history books. Determined to prove something, I began tracking numbers -- and after a year plus of tracking numbers daily, the result is ...
  • NOPE! The reckonings really were that close, and he wasn't "buying to boost his ranks" any more than any other artist. Incidentally (and more so unintentionally), that increased his credibility and the critics didn't have much to yell about anymore.

    3. Designs inspired by other artists.
  • The proof pointed to her, not him.
  • The later grammar thread incident was ugly, so no, we are not going to revisit that thread. I will still say that the resolution was all his; I only yapped on the phone that afternoon until his battery died. Oops.

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