Derby #59: At The Luau
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dontwantaname


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Pretty! Can I go there?

WE LURV YOU TOO! Dork!!!
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AnnaJo


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I just love what you've done with the sun, gmv

Josephus


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Wow, thanks for the votes, everyone. I always wanted to do a sunset like this with sea grasses- I have a similar photo hanging in my dining room which I took when I was in college. Unfortunately, the negative was ruined.

AdderXYU


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This truly evokes the south pacific, and not some cattail marsh by Hick's Lake in South Carolina.

Raining


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This is good, mom, Shawn and I voted for it.We like everything you design. Tell Miss LauraB hello.

Josephus


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Raining wrote:This is good, mom, Shawn and I voted for it.We like everything you design. Tell Miss LauraB hello.


thanks, Raining. Laura's sad today because her friend is moving away, to Texas, actually. They're having a big party, maybe that'll help.

theinfinityloop


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I really like how the sky is a pretty magenta color. Nice job! GMV!


rwoody


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Great design, a weee bit dark for my tastes though.

Josephus


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rwoody wrote:Great design, a weee bit dark for my tastes though.


thanks, I appreciate your perspective. Some designs need to be dark.

Take a look at my 'Sharkbait Tiki' design for something lighter. ;^)

mia3mom


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I love sunsets, but I'm wondering if this is on topic. The reeds makes me think of a salt marsh or pond, not a hawaiian luau, Joe.

Or a beach near a salt marsh... and we're on the opposite coast from hawaii ;)

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Josephus


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mia3mom wrote:I love sunsets, but I'm wondering if this is on topic. The reeds makes me think of a salt marsh or pond, not a hawaiian luau, Joe.

Or a beach near a salt marsh... and we're on the opposite coast from hawaii ;)


gosh mia, where did you get the idea these were reeds? They are grasses.

Personally, I've never been in a place as you describe. I saw similar grasses on South Padre Island 30 years ago, I know they abound throughout the Caribbean, and Mexico. and, they grow at the edge of the beach, among the dunes that grow above the high tide lines. not in salt marshes, whatever those are. There are also similar grasses in the Pacific as well, including some that have invaded. This is a scene of a sunset on the waves, nearly but not exactly

"moonlight on the waves: just thinking about it is almost enough to carry you out of your cubicle and whisk you away to the South Seas...We're not necessarily looking for anthropological accuracy - just designs that use this visual vocabulary."

Generally speaking, if you're at the beach, you don't see the palm trees, looking out over the water- if you see anything other than water and setting sun, you see something like I drew.

maybe it isn't 'Anthropological accuracy', but it sure is a beach scene, and evokes the right mood.

Thanks for the comment, I know I shouldn't be surprised to see doubtful comments now that my design has started flirting with the edge of the fog, I guess.

kylemittskus


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Josephus wrote:gosh mia, where did you get the idea these were reeds? They are grasses.

Personally, I've never been in a place as you describe. I saw similar grasses on South Padre Island 30 years ago, I know they abound throughout the Caribbean, and Mexico. and, they grow at the edge of the beach, among the dunes that grow above the high tide lines. not in salt marshes, whatever those are. There are also similar grasses in the Pacific as well, including some that have invaded. This is a scene of a sunset on the waves, nearly but not exactly

"moonlight on the waves: just thinking about it is almost enough to carry you out of your cubicle and whisk you away to the South Seas...We're not necessarily looking for anthropological accuracy - just designs that use this visual vocabulary."

Generally speaking, if you're at the beach, you don't see the palm trees, looking out over the water- if you see anything other than water and setting sun, you see something like I drew.

Thanks for the comment, I know I shouldn't be surprised to see doubtful comments now that my design has started flirting with the edge of the fog, I guess.


Generally speaking, you wouldn't see palm trees at a beach, but since the theme isn't beach but "At the Luau" it evokes a Polynesian idea where you would see palm trees, as in HI.

This shirt does not fit the "At the Luau" theme; it would fit for island paradise, beach, sunset, get-a-away, etc. but I think the theme is pretty specific and this doesn't fit into it.
I do not think this criticism is coming because you were coming close and are now in the fog. I have no vested interest in any shirt in this derby (I don't really like any of them) so I could care less which wins; I just care that whatever wins fits the theme. I didn't see in your post that I responded to how this fit the theme. This has, in my opinion, no connection to a luau.

As a side note, I always enjoy your work and this is no exception. It's beautiful, just not theme-fitting.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

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mia3mom


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Josephus wrote:gosh mia, where did you get the idea these were reeds? They are grasses.

Personally, I've never been in a place as you describe. I saw similar grasses on South Padre Island 30 years ago, I know they abound throughout the Caribbean, and Mexico. and, they grow at the edge of the beach, among the dunes that grow above the high tide lines. not in salt marshes, whatever those are. There are also similar grasses in the Pacific as well, including some that have invaded. This is a scene of a sunset on the waves, nearly but not exactly

"moonlight on the waves: just thinking about it is almost enough to carry you out of your cubicle and whisk you away to the South Seas...We're not necessarily looking for anthropological accuracy - just designs that use this visual vocabulary."

Generally speaking, if you're at the beach, you don't see the palm trees, looking out over the water- if you see anything other than water and setting sun, you see something like I drew.

maybe it isn't 'Anthropological accuracy', but it sure is a beach scene, and evokes the right mood.

Thanks for the comment, I know I shouldn't be surprised to see doubtful comments now that my design has started flirting with the edge of the fog, I guess.


Josephus, I wasn't attacking you, just questioning if this is on theme. Your grasses or reeds look what I see near the salt marsh or near a lake/pond. I've been wondering how this could have fit a Luau theme for a while, but didn't speak up until it made it into the fog, because I didn't care that much earlier.

I disagree that any beach scene is on theme, the theme is a Luau, not just beaches.

Regardless, it's up to woot to decide. Congratulations on the fogging!

& the Gaggle of Girls; so many shirts, so little space in the dresser!

Josephus


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mia3mom wrote:Josephus, I wasn't attacking you, just questioning if this is on theme. Your grasses or reeds look what I see near the salt marsh or near a lake/pond. I've been wondering how this could have fit a Luau theme for a while, but didn't speak up until it made it into the fog, because I didn't care that much earlier.

I disagree that any beach scene is on theme, the theme is a Luau, not just beaches.

Regardless, it's up to woot to decide. Congratulations on the fogging!


I don't think I said you were attacking me? "I know I shouldn't be surprised to see doubtful comments now that my design has started flirting with the edge of the fog, I guess." right here you commented that you "didn't speak up until it made it into the fog, because I didn't care that much earlier."
-seems like I was pretty much right on!

OK, mia, I get that you think it looks like a pond. I have already said it wasn't, and that it isn't reeds, which look very different from these grasses.

I took this photo on the beach on Padre Island in 1979, and this embodied the mood woot was talking about, in my opinion, of moonlight on the water, the tropical start to the night of the luau:



maybe my interpretation of my own photograph didn't evoke the mood I was attempting to produce well enough for you, I guess not. sorry.

I would hope that woot HAS decided, as they have gone through and rejected at least twice, and left my design alone. Certainly the second time my shirt was already close to the fog, if not fogged, so they have looked at it when it was a reasonable contender to be printed, and left it alone.

sokowa


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Josephus wrote:I don't think I said you were attacking me? "I know I shouldn't be surprised to see doubtful comments now that my design has started flirting with the edge of the fog, I guess." right here you commented that you "didn't speak up until it made it into the fog, because I didn't care that much earlier."
-seems like I was pretty much right on!

OK, mia, I get that you think it looks like a pond. I have already said it wasn't, and that it isn't reeds, which look very different from these grasses.

I took this photo on the beach on Padre Island in 1979, and this embodied the mood woot was talking about, in my opinion, of moonlight on the water, the tropical start to the night of the luau:



maybe my interpretation of my own photograph didn't evoke the mood I was attempting to produce well enough for you, I guess not. sorry.

I would hope that woot HAS decided, as they have gone through and rejected at least twice, and left my design alone. Certainly the second time my shirt was already close to the fog, if not fogged, so they have looked at it when it was a reasonable contender to be printed, and left it alone.


Hrm, I wouldn't trust the whole "Woot went through twice already" feeling. I had entries that were fogged from day one that were rejected on a Tuesday.
Woot doesn't look at entries much over the weekend it seems.

Not saying this will get rejected, just that the argument that it has made it this far is no longer valid (goes for any shirt too). FWIW, I wish the colors were livelier to represent the happiness that is a luau. This kinda makes me feel gloomy :/

mia3mom


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Josephus wrote:
OK, mia, I get that you think it looks like a pond. I have already said it wasn't, and that it isn't reeds, which look very different from these grasses.

I took this photo on the beach on Padre Island in 1979, and this embodied the mood woot was talking about, in my opinion, of moonlight on the water, the tropical start to the night of the luau:

maybe my interpretation of my own photograph didn't evoke the mood I was attempting to produce well enough for you, I guess not. sorry.

I would hope that woot HAS decided, as they have gone through and rejected at least twice, and left my design alone. Certainly the second time my shirt was already close to the fog, if not fogged, so they have looked at it when it was a reasonable contender to be printed, and left it alone.


The reeds around ponds here look very similar to the grasses in your picture, as do the plants growing around the salt marshes. It's not your interpretation of your photograph with which I take issue, it's the subject matter. Reeds, grasses, and sunsets with a bit of water don't evoke a luau theme to me. If I thought that was on topic, I have hundreds of beach pictures i could have used to create an image.

So far there have been 4 quick rejections. I am hoping woot will be rejecting more today, whether or not they consider yours to be on theme.

In any case, congrats on the fog and best wishes

& the Gaggle of Girls; so many shirts, so little space in the dresser!

Josephus


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sokowa wrote:Hrm, I wouldn't trust the whole "Woot went through twice already" feeling. I had entries that were fogged from day one that were rejected on a Tuesday.
Woot doesn't look at entries much over the weekend it seems.


heh. 'trust' and 'hope' are two different creatures entirely, aren't they?

that would be a fun theme- depict an abstract noun: hope, hate, trust, etc.

sokowa


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Josephus wrote:heh. 'trust' and 'hope' are two different creatures entirely, aren't they?


You're right, indeed they are. Didn't know my post was going to be read into that much.

cobolisdead


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Let me start off by saying,t hat I love the way you did the sun here.

Personally, I am getting more of a swampy feeling than a beach one. Maybe it's because you don't see sand, or anything commonly associated with a beach. While I get what you are trying to do with the picture, I don't really think you captured it well since you removed the items that identify the setting.One last thing, while the preview image looks nice, once I saw the larger version, I do not really like how you did the sky here.

Congrats on getting into the fog though.

You can ride with me, or you can find your own path. Don't stab me in the back after I've cleared the way.

Wonderbunny


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First, I love this and think it looks great. But, I also get a swampy feel. I've never been to islands in the Atlantic but I have been to Hawaii and honestly, I've never seen grass like this there. I think the theme is luau and more South Pacific then elsewhere. But I can't say that there aren't places like this in the South Pacific but on first glance, this reminds me of the grasslands/marshy areas near where I live (by the Great Salt Lake).

So this post is coherent. I guess my point is, that I don't think sun and beaches when looking at this. I think about the bugs and the marsh areas found many places that are no where near the ocean.

ansharp


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Wonderbunny wrote:First, I love this and think it looks great. But, I also get a swampy feel. I've never been to islands in the Atlantic but I have been to Hawaii and honestly, I've never seen grass like this there. I think the theme is luau and more South Pacific then elsewhere. But I can't say that there aren't places like this in the South Pacific but on first glance, this reminds me of the grasslands/marshy areas near where I live (by the Great Salt Lake).

So this post is coherent. I guess my point is, that I don't think sun and beaches when looking at this. I think about the bugs and the marsh areas found many places that are no where near the ocean.


I have been to many beaches and islands along the East Coast from Delaware to southern Florida and a few on the Gulf of Mexico in Alabama and Florida. All of those beaches look like this. I've been on every side of Oahu, Hawaii and saw nothing like this there.

AdderXYU


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ansharp wrote:I have been to many beaches and islands along the East Coast from Delaware to southern Florida and a few on the Gulf of Mexico in Alabama and Florida. All of those beaches look like this. I've been on every side of Oahu, Hawaii and saw nothing like this there.


My issue is that even if there is a beach, that doesn't say luau to me. if we suspend the fact that this looks marshy over beachy, and presume that grasses like this are found in Hawaii or Polynesia, it's still only a sunset over water by a beach. There's nothing on here to make me think of a luau. If I bought the shirt, and told people it was a luau, they'd laugh at me. If I didn't tell people anything, the only people who would say "ooh, a luau" would be wooters, some in ignorance because of the theme set forth, and some mocking because it's not on theme. The rest would say "sunset" or "marsh". It's arguably a good shirt (though I'd argue vehemently even against that part) but its not even vaguely on theme. If this is allowed, it makes me wonder why woot even bothers having themes at all.

And seriously, guys, you don't have to congratulate someone for making the fog unless you mean it. "I think this is totally off topic, but congrats for getting up there anyway" is incredibly backhanded. Say what you mean.

Josephus


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cobolisdead wrote:Let me start off by saying,t hat I love the way you did the sun here.

Personally, I am getting more of a swampy feeling than a beach one. Maybe it's because you don't see sand, or anything commonly associated with a beach. While I get what you are trying to do with the picture, I don't really think you captured it well since you removed the items that identify the setting.One last thing, while the preview image looks nice, once I saw the larger version, I do not really like how you did the sky here.

Congrats on getting into the fog though.


" hey, Joe, you really drew that left big toe really well. Every other single thing you did was horrid, and doesn't look anything like what a human actually looks like."

"nice job on not sucking when you drew the toe, though."


well, I am glad that you liked one part of my design. ;^)

This is the sky in a higher resolution than the 600x600 shirt lets us present it- if you click on the image you'll see a 2x higher resolution. I am curious about what you would have liked in the complete sky that I didn't do- if I'm gonna lose, I might as well try to learn something while I'm at it. :^D



thanks!

cainja1


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I love how this shirt looks like you can just escape right into the design. The sunset is perfectly illustrated. GMV

Josephus


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cainja1 wrote:I love how this shirt looks like you can just escape right into the design. The sunset is perfectly illustrated. GMV


thanks much.

theinfinityloop


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Josephus wrote:" hey, Joe, you really drew that left big toe really well. Every other single thing you did was horrid, and doesn't look anything like what a human actually looks like."

"nice job on not sucking when you drew the toe, though."


well, I am glad that you liked one part of my design. ;^)

Would you have rather him just give you all the negative and that's it? It seems to me that he was just trying to be nice and give constructive criticism. I would rather get a comment that started and ended with a something nice than just a flat out negative criticism. Maybe that's just me though. :-/


Josephus


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theinfinityloop wrote:Would you have rather him just give you all the negative and that's it? It seems to me that he was just trying to be nice and give constructive criticism. I would rather get a comment that started and ended with a something nice than just a flat out negative criticism. Maybe that's just me though. :-/


no, I don't particularly need to hear that bit of sugar-coating. The comment was very clear as to their opinion, and the fact that they liked one part of the design may make them feel less bad about writing such a negative comment, but it doesn't change the rest of what they said. Had you quoted the rest of what I said, people who don't go back to my comment might recognize that I continued, as I truly wanted (and still want) to know what they wanted me to have done in the sky that so turned them against the design. I even made and put up a higher resolution image to better show what the sky looks like, and asked them to tell me. The comment could have been useful had I gotten a measured response from the author, and may still be useful. Constructive criticism doesn't just say "I hate the way you did the sky", constructive criticism tells you what you did to the sky that they hated, and really valuable criticism tells you what they think would make the sky work.

As it is now, I like the way I did the sky. I did not try to intermingle the 'woot halftones', for fear that they'd decide they were "complicated halftones" and reject them. Maybe the sky color dots were too big? I just don't know, but I'd like to.

Truly, the original comment left me bemused, even a little amused, but not really upset. I made up what I thought was a funny response about drawing the toe to give a little perspective about how I read their comment.

sokowa


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Josephus wrote:no, I don't particularly need to hear that bit of sugar-coating. The comment was very clear as to their opinion, and the fact that they liked one part of the design may make them feel less bad about writing such a negative comment, but it doesn't change the rest of what they said. Had you quoted the rest of what I said, people who don't go back to my comment might recognize that I continued, as I truly wanted (and still want) to know what they wanted me to have done in the sky that so turned them against the design. I even made and put up a higher resolution image to better show what the sky looks like, and asked them to tell me. The comment could have been useful had I gotten a measured response from the author, and may still be useful. Constructive criticism doesn't just say "I hate the way you did the sky", constructive criticism tells you what you did to the sky that they hated, and really valuable criticism tells you what they think would make the sky work.

As it is now, I like the way I did the sky. I did not try to intermingle the 'woot halftones', for fear that they'd decide they were "complicated halftones" and reject them. Maybe the sky color dots were too big? I just don't know, but I'd like to.

Truly, the original comment left me bemused, even a little amused, but not really upset. I made up what I thought was a funny response about drawing the toe to give a little perspective about how I read their comment.


hrm, you really don't make it easy for people to comment on your designs ( whether it's a good comment or a bad one) do you.
I prefer hearing good and bad even if it's from the same person in the same post. Maybe they don't know what works but they still wrote a comment that didn't sound demeaning. I wrote a small comment about length of time in derby vs. rejection and it was picked apart. People don't have the energy to write posts just the way you want them. So long as someone isn't rude, let them comment the way they want. If they have time to further explain their reasons AWESOME, if not, oh well, they aren't paid to provide examples.

cobolisdead


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Personally, I think maybe have a solid magenta center, and then use a more subtle halftone around the edge using smaller halftones.

Personally, I get what you are saying, but I'm just trying to help by giving you my opinion. but take it how you will. I like the sun and it's reflection, but other parts of it, just don't look right to me. Such as using Black for the sand and water, as it gives that Swampy look to it.

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Josephus


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Josephus wrote:no, I don't particularly need to hear that bit of sugar-coating. The comment was very clear as to their opinion, and the fact that they liked one part of the design may make them feel less bad about writing such a negative comment, but it doesn't change the rest of what they said. Had you quoted the rest of what I said, people who don't go back to my comment might recognize that I continued, as I truly wanted (and still want) to know what they wanted me to have done in the sky that so turned them against the design. I even made and put up a higher resolution image to better show what the sky looks like, and asked them to tell me. The comment could have been useful had I gotten a measured response from the author, and may still be useful. Constructive criticism doesn't just say "I hate the way you did the sky", constructive criticism tells you what you did to the sky that they hated, and really valuable criticism tells you what they think would make the sky work.

As it is now, I like the way I did the sky. I did not try to intermingle the 'woot halftones', for fear that they'd decide they were "complicated halftones" and reject them. Maybe the sky color dots were too big? I just don't know, but I'd like to.

Truly, the original comment left me bemused, even a little amused, but not really upset. I made up what I thought was a funny response about drawing the toe to give a little perspective about how I read their comment.


sokowa wrote:hrm, you really don't make it easy for people to comment on your designs ( whether it's a good comment or a bad one) do you.
I prefer hearing good and bad even if it's from the same person in the same post. Maybe they don't know what works but they still wrote a comment that didn't sound demeaning. I wrote a small comment about length of time in derby vs. rejection and it was picked apart. People don't have the energy to write posts just the way you want them. So long as someone isn't rude, let them comment the way they want. If they have time to further explain their reasons AWESOME, if not, oh well, they aren't paid to provide examples.


I really didn't intend that my response be as off-putting as it clearly was to you. Maybe their comment wasn't intended to be the back-handed compliment that I (and, I think, Adder) took it for- they have since given a pretty detailed and really useful comment, which I'll respond to as soon as I finish this apologetic reply to you.

I also didn't think my response to your comment was to pick it apart- I certainly didn't intend that it do so. Your comment was this one, I think:
sokowa wrote:Hrm, I wouldn't trust the whole "Woot went through twice already" feeling. I had entries that were fogged from day one that were rejected on a Tuesday.
Woot doesn't look at entries much over the weekend it seems.

Not saying this will get rejected, just that the argument that it has made it this far is no longer valid (goes for any shirt too). FWIW, I wish the colors were livelier to represent the happiness that is a luau. This kinda makes me feel gloomy :/


I responded:

Josephus wrote:heh. 'trust' and 'hope' are two different creatures entirely, aren't they?

that would be a fun theme- depict an abstract noun: hope, hate, trust, etc.


If it seemed like I was picking your comment apart, please believe me that I wasn't.
I intended that this response show that I appreciated your comment and gave a light reply. Maybe the word 'hate' in there was a bad choice, huh? I was having a hard time coming up with nouns of that type. I still think it would be a fascinating theme/topic.

I do try to answer the comments, and I am truly sorry I annoyed you, since your designs are always well-crafted and a pleasure to see, and well worth emulating. I really don't mean to annoy anyone.
//hangs head.

Josephus


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cobolisdead wrote:Personally, I think maybe have a solid magenta center, and then use a more subtle halftone around the edge using smaller halftones.

Personally, I get what you are saying, but I'm just trying to help by giving you my opinion. but take it how you will. I like the sun and it's reflection, but other parts of it, just don't look right to me. Such as using Black for the sand and water, as it gives that Swampy look to it.


thanks very much for getting back to me. I want you to know that I appreciate your viewpoint. I would certainly have made the sand and the water lighter colors, had I only thought of it. I also seemed to have miscounted the colors, as I only ended up using 3, so that would easily have been done. I think smaller sky halftones probably would have made it look better too. The smaller they are, the bigger the risk that woot will decide they aren't going to print them, and that's mostly why I made them so big- of course I made the ones in the sun much smaller (and deleted a lot around the edges that were smaller than their limit of 1 point), so that excuse doesn't entirely work.
I'm baffled that everyone sees a swamp, by the way. :^)

thanks for your suggestions, I will certainly take them into my future designs.

devmike


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After reading through I see a beach setting, behind a sand dune peering through the grassy reeds at the setting sun and ocean - which I have to say the reflection of the sun off of the water is ++ good. Only thing I don't see is the luau party that is clearly going on behind the dune.

Josephus


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devmike wrote:After reading through I see a beach setting, behind a sand dune peering through the grassy reeds at the setting sun and ocean - which I have to say the reflection of the sun off of the water is ++ good. Only thing I don't see is the luau party that is clearly going on behind the dune.


thank you Mike, you describe it perfectly. From now on, you speak for me and I'll stay quiet. :^D

ChokingOutTheRadio


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Nowhere in the rules does it say a luau must be involved in the design. It simply says used images associated with the south pacific. I'll try to make my comments as middling ans static as possible so they wont be pulled down with minutes by the overly sensitive moderators...whoops.

AdderXYU


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ChokingOutTheRadio wrote:Nowhere in the rules does it say a luau must be involved in the design. It simply says used images associated with the south pacific. I'll try to make my comments as middling ans static as possible so they wont be pulled down with minutes by the overly sensitive moderators...whoops.


You think "South Pacific" when you see this?

I don't even think "coast of oregon pacific" when I see this.

jgodwin46


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AnnaJo wrote:I just love what you've done with the sun, gmv

this shirt is legit i hope it wins

Optimator


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This was by far my favorite entry.

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