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Reminds me of LOL cats!

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Poor mouse... :o

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Ha! I love it!

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Clearly it was Mrs. White with the pipe wrench. If you see a cat looking that nonchalant, it's for a good reason: they're guilty.

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Col. Mustard is the best.

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Oh the cuteness overload...and so clever! I love it.

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Hahaha, this is the coolest!

AdderXYU wrote:I like how this utilizes a cute animal for absolutely no reason. It is a MYSTERY to me why that is the case. Surely there must be a reason deeper than "cute = vote"?

It s a parody of Clue using Lolcats and a Mouse, I think it makes just as much sense as Crayons.

cobolisdead wrote:It s a parody of Clue using Lolcats and a Mouse, I think it makes just as much sense as Crayons.

Except crayons are already colors. That is a logical parody. These are cute animals playing dress-up. Well drawn cute animals playing dress-up, but there's no reason for them being cats, while there is every reason for them to be crayons. Please tell me you understand the difference?

And they're not lolcats. they're cats.

AdderXYU wrote:Except crayons are already colors. That is a logical parody. These are cute animals playing dress-up. Well drawn cute animals playing dress-up, but there's no reason for them being cats, while there is every reason for them to be crayons. Please tell me you understand the difference?

And they're not lolcats. they're cats.

I like to think of it along the same lines as Dogs playing Poker myself. While the Crayons make sense, its really too simple of a concept.

And the Cats are in mid pose like Lolcats, so I shall forever call them that. But that might be because I love http://icanhascheezburger.com/.

cobolisdead wrote:I like to think of it along the same lines as Dogs playing Poker myself. While the Crayons make sense, its really too simple of a concept.

Simple is not bad unless it is also bad. Simple itself can often be just what a design needs.

I hate saying it, because I feel like this is probably someone I generally like's entry, but the fact is that there is no reason for cats except for cute-votes. You are arguing your three-dimensional circles off that crayons are worse, but they make sense and, ergo, make for a far stronger joke, simple or not.

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I really dont see why this is in the fog of war there are a lot better desings

cobolisdead wrote:I like to think of it along the same lines as Dogs playing Poker myself. While the Crayons make sense, its really too simple of a concept.

And the Cats are in mid pose like Lolcats, so I shall forever call them that. But that might be because I love http://icanhascheezburger.com/.

If a cat poses, it doesn't make it a lolcat. Captions make them lolcats. I see no captions.

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I don't believe this is supposed to be an obvious joke, like the crayons are. The main reason there are cats instead of people? Because voters have shown that they would rather wear animals than people on their shirts. It's as simple as that...no deep meaning or ill intent to it.
These are well-drawn cats, too. Not overly cute and super-deformed or anything like that.

I love it.

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I personally really love the illustration style. The antique feel is quite nice, though I understand people's frustration with the cream woot shirt. (looks good on screen, not so great in person)

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I know why they are cats! But I cannot say, it would give too much away. ;)

SailorButterfly wrote:I don't believe this is supposed to be an obvious joke, like the crayons are. The main reason there are cats instead of people? Because voters have shown that they would rather wear animals than people on their shirts. It's as simple as that...no deep meaning or ill intent to it.
These are well-drawn cats, too. Not overly cute and super-deformed or anything like that.

I love it.

That's basically what Adder said. Cute animals = votes. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing (using cats adds a certain "huh?" factor, like with those communist dinosaurs), but I agree with him that the crayons have a stronger concept and thus makes for a better shirt. Not that this one is bad.

eHalcyon wrote:That's basically what Adder said. Cute animals = votes. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing (using cats adds a certain "huh?" factor, like with those communist dinosaurs), but I agree with him that the crayons have a stronger concept and thus makes for a better shirt. Not that this one is bad.

Well, I don't think it's the same thing at all.

These are obviously over cute animals trying to get votes:




I don't think the cats in this design are here for the same reason. They're here just because human figures on shirts don't go over well. They're not even trying to be "cute".

It's 2 separate things to me. They don't have to be to you, but they are to me.

SailorButterfly wrote:Well, I don't think it's the same thing at all.

These are obviously over cute animals trying to get votes:




I don't think the cats in this design are here for the same reason. They're here just because human figures on shirts don't go over well. They're not even trying to be "cute".

It's 2 separate things to me. They don't have to be to you, but they are to me.

I believe the first is actually someone making a point about the mystery of the steampunk derby and not a serious entry.

I think the second one makes a sort of "Curious George" reference with the monkeys, plus it ties in the animal with the concept by flowing the characters up and down the tree. It's not a cute animal just because.

Again, I didn't say that using the cats was a bad thing at all. You're right and I agree with you - animals are more popular than people. It works. I still think that the crayons have a stronger concept, but that's just me.

eHalcyon wrote:It's not a cute animal just because.

I don't believe these cats are either.

Nothing will change my stance on that...and I've found some interesting information that really brings something about all of this to light.

I won't be saying anything else about any of this. This is a good design that can stand on its own without needing my help defending it any further.

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Love this

SailorButterfly wrote:I don't believe these cats are either.

Nothing will change my stance on that...and I've found some interesting information that really brings something about all of this to light.

I won't be saying anything else about any of this. This is a good design that can stand on its own without needing my help defending it any further.

You ninja'd me! I do think it's a good design.

Copy+paste:

Again, I didn't say that using the cats was a bad thing at all. You're right and I agree with you - animals are more popular than people. It works. I still think that the crayons have a stronger concept, but that's just me.

AdderXYU wrote:Except crayons are already colors. That is a logical parody. These are cute animals playing dress-up. Well drawn cute animals playing dress-up, but there's no reason for them being cats, while there is every reason for them to be crayons. Please tell me you understand the difference?

And they're not lolcats. they're cats.

They aren't lolcats. That was an implication that someone other than the artist created. But I have to ask you AdderXYU, are you familiar with this drink? You must drink a lot of it.


I ask because the feeling I get from you by reading your posts on Woot is that you are attempting to be satirical in hopes that Woot will become a better shirt site, but deep down you've given up hope and don't think it could get better because there's no need for them to change anything because they are making money anyway and the mass of Woot members don't notice how bad the place is--you're the only one intelligent enough to get all this and the true intentions of Woot.

The reason for using cats is needless to know. Who ever said a parody needed a reason? Things don't need a reason, Mr. Logical, especially not art. Even if the cats were used to get more votes, it's justifiable because why would one hold back an idea that will get a lot of votes and buyers?

Just as a side note, no parody really is necessary. As long as we're talking about necessities, other than plain solid Tees, almost no T-shirt is necessary either. But thousands of these unnecessary shirts are made and sold every day. Why then, if they are unnecessary, do they sell? Because people don't buy only on necessity; they buy things they want. So why does this shirt have Cats on it? Because people want them and the artist knew that.

neonix wrote:So why does this shirt have Cats on it? Because people want them and the artist knew that.

That was Adder's initial point.

eHalcyon wrote:You ninja'd me! I do think it's a good design.

Copy+paste:

Again, I didn't say that using the cats was a bad thing at all. You're right and I agree with you - animals are more popular than people. It works. I still think that the crayons have a stronger concept, but that's just me.

I'll post again to say I'm satisfied with this. I just mainly didn't like the implication that this design was pandering, but really, that wasn't from you anyway.

Here's the real mystery of the design:
why would a cat kill a mouse and not eat it? XD

SailorButterfly wrote:I'll post again to say I'm satisfied with this. I just mainly didn't like the implication that this design was pandering, but really, that wasn't from you anyway.

Here's the real mystery of the design:
why would a cat kill a mouse and not eat it? XD

I think Mister Green and Miss Peacock are about to fight it out for him.

cobolisdead wrote:I think Mister Green and Miss Peacock are about to fight it out for him.

lol, you're right! I didn't notice that.

cobolisdead wrote:I think Mister Green and Miss Peacock are about to fight it out for him.

Details like that are exactly why this is the best design this week so far

Also, major props on Mr Green- you did an awesome job of stretching the 6 ink colors to look like a lot more.

Clever and well-drawn. Best "clue" entry, IMO.

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I love the aloof look of Col. Mustard.

Also, I agree with the wooter who said that Ms. White did it: Displacement Grooming.

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While I can't see myself wearing this shirt (I'm not one of those suckers for cat shirts) I think it is very clever and well done and I like the style.

I also think Miss Scarlett looks like a tramp. Best cat imo!

SailorButterfly wrote:I'll post again to say I'm satisfied with this. I just mainly didn't like the implication that this design was pandering, but really, that wasn't from you anyway.

Here's the real mystery of the design:
why would a cat kill a mouse and not eat it? XD

You've obviously never owned a cat.

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This one is clever AND charming. Love it!

mrwednesday wrote:You've obviously never owned a cat.

I have 2, actually...but they've never encountered a live mouse. lol

I guess I should rephrase my question:
My would a cat kill a mouse and not either eat it or leave it on their owner's pillow? XD

erei wrote:I personally really love the illustration style. The antique feel is quite nice, though I understand people's frustration with the cream woot shirt. (looks good on screen, not so great in person)

You summed up my feelings perfectly. My only qualm is the cream shirt which I generally don't buy. On another color, I would.

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Creme doesn't look that bad in person. One of my favorite Woot shirts is a creme.

SailorButterfly wrote:I have 2, actually...but they've never encountered a live mouse. lol

I guess I should rephrase my question:
My would a cat kill a mouse and not either eat it or leave it on their owner's pillow? XD

My cats kill because they are remorseless mouse-hunting machines, cleverly disguised as fat cats who laze in the sun all day.

cobolisdead wrote:Creme doesn't look that bad in person. One of my favorite Woot shirts is a creme.

Browns and greens look good on creme in my opinion. It's going out faster than it's coming out is a perfect example. This color palette I don't think will work well.

I also worry that the mouse and the weapons will be completely overshadowed by the colors. From a distance it may look like random articles of clothing on a shirt.

mrwednesday wrote:From a distance it may look like random articles of clothing on a shirt.

I agree. Just tiny little blocks of color here and there.

I like the antique styling of the cats but isn't this more then 6 colors?
red,blue,green, yellow,white, plum and the greyish linework?

tiar wrote:I like the antique styling of the cats but isn't this more then 6 colors?
red,blue,green, yellow,white, plum and the greyish linework?

The green is really yellow and blue side by side. ;-)

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I love this. I must own it. I have voted!

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awesome pic!

Also i have a question to anyone that would know. I have been trying to upload my entry since the comp opened but after i press submit a box comes up that says 'Aw, snap! We need you to fix something' i tryed lots of different things, does anyone know what is wrong?

you might get a quality post if u know!! hahaha

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i must must must have this shirt!

I normally have no use for "cute" designs. However, I like this one. I wouldn't wear it, but I don't mind its popularity. I think that cats carry an aura of cunning and mystery about them that makes sense for this theme. It doesn't seem as random and pandering as most animal entries.

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i dont really think these cats are cute, per se, but I really love this shirt. great idea! :D

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Kitties are always good.

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I see more than one feline felon.

I love this!

PS Most cats don't typically "eat" their kills, they just play with them to death.

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I will own this shirt. I WILL.

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I am so not a cat person. But this shirt is too stinking adorable not to own. I want.

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Excellent work! I see this selling really well if it wins.

Yes, this design is about cats.

But my thought process was NOT as follows:

"Since my name won't be by this design, I'm going to draw up some cute meaningless rubbish that means nothing to me just because I can. What a WONDERFUL opportunity to reveal how incredibly shallow I am as a person and an artist!"

This design is about character, not concept. I spent hours giving each of these cats a personality based on what we know about the personalities of the Clue characters. I was purposefully trying to hint at human expression while keeping them true to catlike mannerisms. That's not easy.

Anyone that knows me, or SHOULD know me knows I vehemently believe in order for something to be art, it should contain a piece of the artist's soul. That's what defines art. I have a cat, and I adore all of the little distinctive behaviors he has. I love how he carefully wraps his tail around his feet when he sits or hunches his head down when he sees something of interest on the ground. I thought of these things when I was drawing. Combine that with the fact that I liked the idea of Mr. Boddy being a mouse, and THAT is why I chose cats.

The fact that this is a pseudo-anonymous derby had nothing to do with the concept of this design. I never thought I should hide because I didn't think I had anything to be ashamed of. Granted, I was a bit nervous to reference Clue, but I thought I changed it up enough. Perhaps this condemns me as a sub-par thinker. Who knows. But, I treated this derby like any other derby except I didn't post WIPs. Now I regret that because I care and have respect for the artist of "Clueless." Had I known they were working on something based off of Clue I would have done something else. And yes, "Clueless" indeed has more concept than mine.

Do I expect everyone to like everything I do? No. Do I expect my friends to be dishonest and baby me? Of course not, and I don't want it either. I just didn't expect to have it implied that my only thought process was cute = vote. I expected people to know me better than that.

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This is pretty cool, but I can't vote for it because over here it's Reverend Green, not Mister Green, and so I'd have people constantly pointing out the discrepancy.

(I hope it's obvious that this isn't a criticism, because obviously this is a US site, etc. etc., I just wanted to say 'I like it' without feeling disingenuous by doing so without voting.)

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I don't know why people are saying the cats are drawn cute. They seem pretty realistic to me. I like the choice too of representing the Clue characters as cats, and Mr. Boddy as a rat. This makes it more believable that ANY of those cats actually killed the rat. Pastel-like colors too. Awesome!

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I like the shirt, even though Adder says I am not allowed to like it. Funny how that works, how people have different tastes and opinions.

I also do not feel this is lazy or pandering. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I just hope I am allowed to have my own opinion. I know it is frowned upon here, and I apologize in advance for being wrong.

theinfinityloop wrote:
Do I expect everyone to like everything I do? No. Do I expect my friends to be dishonest and baby me? Of course not, and I don't want it either. I just didn't expect to have it implied that my only thought process was cute = vote. I expected people to know me better than that.

Given the fact that the derby is intended to be anonymous, it is not unthinkable that someone would, indeed, not know you better than that, at least at first blush. Given the plethora of designs this week that are flaunting the anonymity rule, it is not at all shocking I would presume this entry did the same upon seeing it. So regardless of what I may or may not know about you, it's not as though I can say "oh, ***, I know them well enough to know they wouldn't do that", and it's a bit unfair to presume anyone would.

Also, when people are immediately attacking similar ideas with more concept, and later saying ludicrous things like "I don't know how these cats are drawn cute, they look realistic" (news flash: cats are cute. realistic cats are therefore drawn cute), I get at the defense of common sense. That's what I do.

So while I appreciate you clearing up your motivations behind this design, I can't see the thread going differently in a derby such as this without knowing who you were immediately. And even so, I feel that most of my beliefs here would be unchanged, outside of that first impression.

AdderXYU wrote:Simple is not bad unless it is also bad. Simple itself can often be just what a design needs.

I hate saying it, because I feel like this is probably someone I generally like's entry, but the fact is that there is no reason for cats except for cute-votes. You are arguing your three-dimensional circles off that crayons are worse, but they make sense and, ergo, make for a far stronger joke, simple or not.

Adder, you are the most negative person - every week as I look at the comments I see you ranting about something or other. I guess people like you are what Web 2.0 is all about, meaning that it gives you a voice. But every time I read your comments I wonder who came and made you king of t-shirt design entry? A brief look at your website reveals your two corny, cutesy designs (and an average Threadless score of 1.03 out of 5.0). So grab a Coke, take a break, and enjoy all the great designs out there. No need to be the first throwing stones at every shirt you don't like.

PS. I've never designed a single shirt, so more power to you for doing so. But I also don't go bashing everything.

AdderXYU wrote:Given the fact that the derby is intended to be anonymous, it is not unthinkable that someone would, indeed, not know you better than that, at least at first blush. Given the plethora of designs this week that are flaunting the anonymity rule, it is not at all shocking I would presume this entry did the same upon seeing it. So regardless of what I may or may not know about you, it's not as though I can say "oh, ***, I know them well enough to know they wouldn't do that", and it's a bit unfair to presume anyone would.

Also, when people are immediately attacking similar ideas with more concept, and later saying ludicrous things like "I don't know how these cats are drawn cute, they look realistic" (news flash: cats are cute. realistic cats are therefore drawn cute), I get at the defense of common sense. That's what I do.

So while I appreciate you clearing up your motivations behind this design, I can't see the thread going differently in a derby such as this without knowing who you were immediately. And even so, I feel that most of my beliefs here would be unchanged, outside of that first impression.

Man, just say you're sorry for assuming too much regarding the artist's motivation in creating this piece.

news flash: not all cats are cute!

chade2001 wrote:Man, just say you're sorry for assuming too much regarding the artist's motivation in creating this piece.

news flash: not all cats are cute!

I see your cat, and I raise you Chase

JadenKale wrote:I see your cat, and I raise you Chase

Holy.....what happened to that poor cat?

(whether we should be forgiving certain artists for their intentions the fact still does remain that there is no logical connection between clue and cats which does ruin it for me a bit. Even with the best of intentions it still boils down to, "I like Clue. I like cats. Let's do Clue with cats.")

mrwednesday wrote:Holy.....what happened to that poor cat?

(whether we should be forgiving certain artists for their intentions the fact still does remain that there is no logical connection between clue and cats which does ruin it for me a bit. Even with the best of intentions it still boils down to, "I like Clue. I like cats. Let's do Clue with cats.")

That's Chase NoFace

mrwednesday wrote:Holy.....what happened to that poor cat?

(whether we should be forgiving certain artists for their intentions the fact still does remain that there is no logical connection between clue and cats which does ruin it for me a bit. Even with the best of intentions it still boils down to, "I like Clue. I like cats. Let's do Clue with cats.")

But you see, I think it safe to assume that cats naturally don't like rats/mice and vice versa (don't know why, but...), as graphically represented by Tom and Jerry. So in the illustration above, each cat has the palpable motive to kill the rat. But we don't know which one actually did it! Dress the cats up in multifarious garments, and voila, an awesome representation of the game Clue!

@Jaden - I think you just ruined my Saturday afternoon!

JadenKale wrote:I see your cat, and I raise you Chase

I certainly wish I could unsee that.

imsochady wrote:But you see, I think it safe to assume that cats naturally don't like rats/mice and vice versa (don't know why, but...), as graphically represented by Tom and Jerry. So in the illustration above, each cat has the palpable motive to kill the rat. But we don't know which one actually did it! Dress the cats up in multifarious garments, and voila, an awesome representation of the game Clue!

@Jaden - I think you just ruined my Saturday afternoon!

See, you're getting at exactly the right point. There is a logical connection between cats and rats. Cats kill rats. There is no connection whatsoever between cats and Clue.

As has already been mentioned the crayon design. Same idea but the difference is there is a logical thread. In Clue, all the characters are named for colors. Those colors can be found in crayons. It's as simple as that but there is nothing to link Clue in this way to cats.

It is exactly as it has been titled, "Cats with weapons" because nothing else is going on. This doesn't mean that the artist intended to pander by using cats just for votes, but it also does not mean that using cats makes any sense or has any purpose other than "I wanted to do cats," which is pretty much what the artist said.

mrwednesday wrote:"I wanted to do cats which is pretty much what the artist said."

And that, to me, is enough. Of course, I'm also the type who thinks there is NOTHING wrong with an artist saying "I wanted to do penguins because penguins are popular and I'll get votes and make some money."

Designing something that makes others happy is okay in my book, and is indeed a skillset that many are jealous of.

It 'aint easy making a living as an artist, and sometimes, to continue having the free time and luxury to do what you want to do, you have to pander a bit (not that I think this design is pandering at all).

The best artists (and philosophers) tend to have extra leisure time to refine their craft. Unfortunately, it's hard to have that leisure time when you are broke. Winning small commercial contests (like Woot derbies) is a way for some to get that leisure time.

Being a successful, thriving artist is hard.
Mass commercial sites like Woot are a good way for them to take in a few extra $$$.

mrwednesday wrote:See, you're getting at exactly the right point. There is a logical connection between cats and rats. Cats kill rats. There is no connection whatsoever between cats and Clue.

I am trying to sew a logical thread beyond the obvious. In the books, everyone is greedly motivated to wack Mr. Boddy. Here, the cats are naturally motivated to wack the rat. This is the connection I see. Yes, there is no straight connection between cats and Clue, but cats wacking rats and Prof. Plum, Mrs. Peacock, Col. Mustard...wacking Mr. Boddy is a connection to me.

(shoudl've used a different word than "wacking")

BoredStiff wrote:stuff

No, I really get all that. I don't really care about the cats. The problems I have with the design I already mentioned and have to do with design elements and colors. I only responded to people who are insisting that cats make perfect sense. They don't. The artist knows they don't. And that's ok for some and not for others. That was really my only point.

mrwednesday wrote: stuff about stuff.

And I need to be more careful myself. Post wasn't directed at you...I just used one of your quotes (taken out of context) as a springboard.

I actually agree with everything you have said, and, while in my opinion many critics are often failed artists (or chefs, moviemakers, writers, etc) who, because they lack the skill of those they critique, are overly harsh, condescending, and insecure they get so high on their horses they can no longer see the ground; I certainly don't put you in that category.

I actually enjoy your critiques, and feel they add value and insight to most discussions. You are often able to remove yourself and personal feelings from an argument, see it more than one way, then express your opinion from an objective POV, and don't beat us over the head with a holier-than-thou agenda.

The reason I quoted you (and I think this is the second time I have done so), is because I enjoy reading what you write and it often causes me to take a few moments to think about and digest it.

I will try to be more careful when directly pulling a quote, especially when said quote is (admittedly) taken out of context.

/end rant.

BoredStiff wrote:stuff referring to stuff about stuff

Good good. No harm no foul.

yodal wrote:awesome pic!

Also i have a question to anyone that would know. I have been trying to upload my entry since the comp opened but after i press submit a box comes up that says 'Aw, snap! We need you to fix something' i tryed lots of different things, does anyone know what is wrong?

you might get a quality post if u know!! hahaha

yup same problem here. i think ive tried everything but no luck. let me know if you get any answers on what the upload issue is. figures too this week i had a great design!

redeplop wrote:yup same problem here. i think ive tried everything but no luck. let me know if you get any answers on what the upload issue is. figures too this week i had a great design!

this

redeplop wrote:yup same problem here. i think ive tried everything but no luck. let me know if you get any answers on what the upload issue is. figures too this week i had a great design!

still nothing here. not sure why i cant upload. the message i get is "aw snap we need you to, blah blah blah.." but it dosent tell me what the specific problem is. im thinking its a issue at their end, still very frustrating!

This is so awesome but I hate cream shirts!

theinfinityloop wrote:Do I expect everyone to like everything I do? No. Do I expect my friends to be dishonest and baby me? Of course not, and I don't want it either. I just didn't expect to have it implied that my only thought process was cute = vote. I expected people to know me better than that.

Actually it sounds like that's exactly what you're doing with your explanation. You're getting defensive, calling yourself out, and saying "well it's not like I'm sekiyoku or deadfrog." So it's okay when you do cute for cute's sake just like anyone else.

I doubt you'd really want to shrug off a few hundred of those "cute" votes you're getting for this design.

murphtronic wrote:Adder, you are the most negative person - every week as I look at the comments I see you ranting about something or other. I guess people like you are what Web 2.0 is all about, meaning that it gives you a voice. But every time I read your comments I wonder who came and made you king of t-shirt design entry? A brief look at your website reveals your two corny, cutesy designs (and an average Threadless score of 1.03 out of 5.0). So grab a Coke, take a break, and enjoy all the great designs out there. No need to be the first throwing stones at every shirt you don't like.

PS. I've never designed a single shirt, so more power to you for doing so. But I also don't go bashing everything.

The great thing about Adder is that he is completely honest and fair in his judgement. There are some designers I know he's disliked that he went on to blog about - which as we all know is a very high honour given Adder's discriminating tastes. Similarly, I don't think he ever blindly praises a design just because a friend submitted it - something too many people do. He may hold his tongue or tone down the harshness, but when he speaks, you can be sure he's calling it like he sees it. No duplicity, no equivocation.

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Cat Clue? Really? Some of the cats are well done (especially Prof. Plum, he just has that face...), but can you imagine if this were a real game? I guess there are about 4 types of Dog Uno, so it's not such a stretch... it's not even absurd in a good way, it just a completely nonsensical tie-in.

That aside, I used to put a tweed jacket and a messenger cap on my cat and it was ridiculously funny every time, so I suppose I know where you're coming from. The version of Clue I had when I was young had more weapons in it though (I think it also had a poison bottle, a long gun, and a battle axe), so I can't vote for it out of principle. I think it might have had more rooms too, but I don't remember the infinite featureless creme void being one of them, though in retrospect that would have been fantastic.

eHalcyon wrote:The great thing about Adder is that he is completely honest and fair in his judgement. There are some designers I know he's disliked that he went on to blog about - which as we all know is a very high honour given Adder's discriminating tastes. Similarly, I don't think he ever blindly praises a design just because a friend submitted it - something too many people do. He may hold his tongue or tone down the harshness, but when he speaks, you can be sure he's calling it like he sees it. No duplicity, no equivocation.

I wouldn't necessarily use "fair." He might not blindly praise a shirt just because a friend submitted it, but it does seem like he'll bash on one just because he doesn't like the artist. Just my opinion.

dea007 wrote:I wouldn't necessarily use "fair." He might not blindly praise a shirt just because a friend submitted it, but it does seem like he'll bash on one just because he doesn't like the artist. Just my opinion.

Yes and no. I will bash shirts because of the "Artist", because most "artists" i dislike make horrible shirts consistently.

Though to be fair, I consider very few of these people to be artists.

AdderXYU wrote:Yes and no. I will bash shirts because of the "Artist", because most "artists" i dislike make horrible shirts consistently.

Though to be fair, I consider very few of these people to be artists.

But if on the rare chance that one of them happened to make a decent shirt, would you still hate it? (Hypothetically speaking of course)

dea007 wrote:But if on the rare chance that one of them happened to make a decent shirt, would you still hate it? (Hypothetically speaking of course)

I have given credit where it was due before. However, I believe that there is a limit which, when passed, someone doesn't deserve my respect any longer. If you are a non-respectable pandering hack of a designer, you could design the friggin' Taj Mahal, and I would be unimpressed.

This is called "having a set of personal morals and ethics". I recommend it to anyone

AdderXYU wrote:I have given credit where it was due before. However, I believe that there is a limit which, when passed, someone doesn't deserve my respect any longer. If you are a non-respectable pandering hack of a designer, you could design the friggin' Taj Mahal, and I would be unimpressed.

This is called "having a set of personal morals and ethics". I recommend it to anyone

You don't have to respect the designer just because they did a decent design, but I also think that you should at least give every design a chance. I also wouldn't say that prematurely judging things is having a set of personal morals. I think that even if someone loses your respect that they should still have a chance to earn it back.

eHalcyon wrote:The great thing about Adder is that he is completely honest and fair in his judgement. There are some designers I know he's disliked that he went on to blog about - which as we all know is a very high honour given Adder's discriminating tastes. Similarly, I don't think he ever blindly praises a design just because a friend submitted it - something too many people do. He may hold his tongue or tone down the harshness, but when he speaks, you can be sure he's calling it like he sees it. No duplicity, no equivocation.

Although this is somewhat true, he needs to reserve his scathing judgment regarding the motivations of the artist until he has definite proof of "hackery" or "pandering" or "drawing cute stuff to get votes and sell" or "whatever" because these are pretty serious accusations. Now knowing who the artist is, his accusation seem rather baseless and totally out of line, like waaaay off. I do feel for the artist especially now knowing the careful thought and work the artist put into the piece in addition to the one of the most heartfelt defenses I've ever read here on woot. And an apology should be in order.

AdderXYU wrote:Given the fact that the derby is intended to be anonymous, it is not unthinkable that someone would, indeed, not know you better than that, at least at first blush. Given the plethora of designs this week that are flaunting the anonymity rule, it is not at all shocking I would presume this entry did the same upon seeing it. So regardless of what I may or may not know about you, it's not as though I can say "oh, ***, I know them well enough to know they wouldn't do that", and it's a bit unfair to presume anyone would.

Also, when people are immediately attacking similar ideas with more concept, and later saying ludicrous things like "I don't know how these cats are drawn cute, they look realistic" (news flash: cats are cute. realistic cats are therefore drawn cute), I get at the defense of common sense. That's what I do.

So while I appreciate you clearing up your motivations behind this design, I can't see the thread going differently in a derby such as this without knowing who you were immediately. And even so, I feel that most of my beliefs here would be unchanged, outside of that first impression.

Fair enough. It just sort of shocked me, that's all.

It never once entered my mind that this design would warrant any pandering accusations. I guess it should have. I guess I didn't think it through. I just wanted to hurry up and start sketching so I would have something done in time. Anyway what I'm trying to say is, since I never considered it, I was completely blind-sided by the comment. That combined that with the fact that I care immensely about what you think made me defensive. Whether I was right to get defensive I don't know. I'm just explaining.

mrwednesday wrote:Even with the best of intentions it still boils down to, "I like Clue. I like cats. Let's do Clue with cats.")

You're pretty much right. I guess I just want to make it known that I did it for me. I didn't do it to pander.

godslinger wrote:Actually it sounds like that's exactly what you're doing with your explanation. You're getting defensive, calling yourself out, and saying "well it's not like I'm sekiyoku or deadfrog." So it's okay when you do cute for cute's sake just like anyone else.

I indeed got defensive. It happens.

godslinger wrote:I doubt you'd really want to shrug off a few hundred of those "cute" votes you're getting for this design.

To be honest I'm indifferent because I don't really want to own a shirt to commemorate what is now my least favorite derby ever.

eHalcyon wrote:The great thing about Adder is that he is completely honest and fair in his judgement. There are some designers I know he's disliked that he went on to blog about - which as we all know is a very high honour given Adder's discriminating tastes. Similarly, I don't think he ever blindly praises a design just because a friend submitted it - something too many people do. He may hold his tongue or tone down the harshness, but when he speaks, you can be sure he's calling it like he sees it. No duplicity, no equivocation.

QFT.

*** wrote:QFT.

I'm sorry that this has turned out to be one of your least favorite derbies. I really like this entry and would like to see it print (even if its on cream). I think it's clever and I love the expressions and outfits on the cats. I think the General is my fav.

As for the pandering, I've never really understood that accusation. If I like cats and I draw them, is that pandering? I don't think so. Anyways, gmv.

I think my favorite part is that you seemed to nail each Clue characters personality so well (and through how a cat would act as them, no less). Great job, I don't know how you did it.

chade2001 wrote:Although this is somewhat true, he needs to reserve his scathing judgment regarding the motivations of the artist until he has definite proof of "hackery" or "pandering" or "drawing cute stuff to get votes and sell" or "whatever" because these are pretty serious accusations. Now knowing who the artist is, his accusation seem rather baseless and totally out of line, like waaaay off. I do feel for the artist especially now knowing the careful thought and work the artist put into the piece in addition to the one of the most heartfelt defenses I've ever read here on woot. And an apology should be in order.

Adder DOES know who did this, though...

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This is the only one in the top 7 that I am not sure who designed. Hate the cream, but it's got my vote just cause it tells the truth about cats - They are killers.

HeartlineTwist wrote:Adder DOES know who did this, though...

No he didn't. He wasn't even sure who it was.

"I hate saying it, because I feel like this is probably someone I generally like's entry..."

theinfinityloop wrote:

Fair enough. It just sort of shocked me, that's all.

It never once entered my mind that this design would warrant any pandering accusations. I guess it should have. I guess I didn't think it through. I just wanted to hurry up and start sketching so I would have something done in time. Anyway what I'm trying to say is, since I never considered it, I was completely blind-sided by the comment. That combined that with the fact that I care immensely about what you think made me defensive. Whether I was right to get defensive I don't know. I'm just explaining.

Ah wut. It seems you're letting him go (easy?). I guess I was more "shocked" than you when he questioned your artistic integrity, something I believe true artists revere the most. I have nothing personal against the guy, he does make valid critiques, but I felt his attack went too far. So far that it made you doubt your artistic intuition of choosing cats as the rightful characters to your piece while having Mr. Boddy as the the rat. It makes total sense to me. And sure you might be friends and care about his critical thoughts, but I didn't think he cared much about your feelings when he compared you to the "pandering hacks drawing cute for votes." I think this kinda irked me a bit knowing the quality artist that you are. Lastly, you have every right to defend your work because part of it is you, your soul, and your pride. I think I have said everything I can regarding this matter, and you seem resolved with the matter, I shall press on no longer.

Have a nice day!

eHalcyon wrote:The great thing about Adder is that he is completely honest and fair in his judgement. There are some designers I know he's disliked that he went on to blog about - which as we all know is a very high honour given Adder's discriminating tastes. Similarly, I don't think he ever blindly praises a design just because a friend submitted it - something too many people do. He may hold his tongue or tone down the harshness, but when he speaks, you can be sure he's calling it like he sees it. No duplicity, no equivocation.

agree

adder don't be a turd. The design is fun and made me laugh. The crayons are good too. Let's not make a design contest out to be a snobby thing.

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I love it! The cats are NOT overly cute & anyone who has been owned by a cat & observed them knows that there is more than one guilty cat in the mix.... I can't wait to but it! GMV!

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After some thorough research and some flip-flopping and waffling, this one definitely gets my vote.

chade2001 wrote:Ah wut. It seems you're letting him go (easy?). I guess I was more "shocked" than you when he questioned your artistic integrity, something I believe true artists revere the most. I have nothing personal against the guy, he does make valid critiques, but I felt his attack went too far. So far that it made you doubt your artistic intuition of choosing cats as the rightful characters to your piece while having Mr. Boddy as the the rat. It makes total sense to me. And sure you might be friends and care about his critical thoughts, but I didn't think he cared much about your feelings when he compared you to the "pandering hacks drawing cute for votes." I think this kinda irked me a bit knowing the quality artist that you are. Lastly, you have every right to defend your work because part of it is you, your soul, and your pride. I think I have said everything I can regarding this matter, and you seem resolved with the matter, I shall press on no longer.

Have a nice day!

Had it been someone I had zero respect for, I probably wouldn't have let them get off that easy (or I probably wouldn't have cared.) But Adder has actually praised my artwork far, far more than he has criticized it. It would be unfair to let this one negative criticism erase all of that. This whole ridiculous anonymity idea just confused things. I appreciate you defending me though.


Thanks everyone for the votes for this design. Even though I had my little emo episode it doesn't mean I don't appreciate it.

I really wish I could wash my eyes clean of the Chase image...

JadenKale wrote:That's Chase NoFace

Oh goodness...what a heart-wrenching story.
That poor cat...but I'm glad he has someone to love him so much.

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Oh, what I would give to have a creme shirt with a kitty Colonel Mustard.

xxchange wrote:Oh, what I would give to have a creme shirt with a kitty Colonel Mustard.

I'd give $10 for one.

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I love this design, especially Scarlet! I am worried about the rat's eye though...that wont be a problem will it??

erina7262 wrote:I love this design, especially Scarlet! I am worried about the rat's eye though...that wont be a problem will it??

Past precedence shows that x-eyes do not count as text.

erina7262 wrote:I love this design, especially Scarlet! I am worried about the rat's eye though...that wont be a problem will it??

The lines look big enough to me.

EDIT: Nevermind.

eHalcyon wrote:Past precedence shows that x-eyes do not count as text.

Correct. This one printed from the No Text Summer Derby #44.

theinfinityloop wrote:Correct. This one printed from the No Text Summer Derby #44.

Ok good to hear!

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Come on folks! Keep this in the fog!

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Isn't this more than 6 colors?

I see:

Yellow
Green
Blue
Purple
Red
White
Black

GravityJMB wrote:Isn't this more than 6 colors?

I see:

Yellow
Green
Blue
Purple
Red
White
Black

The green is actually the yellow (mustard) color with blue halftones. Which is specifically why she blew up that cat in the corner.

Urtawkin2adork83 wrote:geez your annoying.
Grow up its a stupid shirt website.
Complain about something more important with some substance.
Thank you

Here's an idea, how about you catch up with the discussion rather than comment on something that's been discussed and closed between he and the artist.

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Come on folks! Get this back into the fog!

neonix wrote:But I have to ask you AdderXYU, are you familiar with this drink? You must drink a lot of it.

That joke is perfect. Even more so because Adder would say that the H is not skewed enough.

However, I know others are downing on Adder, but sometimes I love reading Adder's points. I've poked fun at him before with his rant on stick figures, but he does make sense (to me) most of the time. I like this image a lot. I wouldn't wear it because I don't care for cats and it's a cream shirt. But, I appreciate the artistry in this design.

I'd rather have a cute thing that relates to the topic than a really artsy image that I cannot see the relation.

Btw... Did woot really print that "Cereal Killer" garbage a week or so ago and then decide to throw this theme at us?

cobolisdead wrote:Come on folks! Get this back into the fog!

This HAS to print! This is probably the best shirt in the derby this week. What's in the fog now? A poorly executed murder and more cutesy penguins? /sigh

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How has this fallen out of the fog? Srsly. This needs to print.

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This is by far my favorite shirt in this derby as yet.

lewiswilde wrote:How has this fallen out of the fog? Srsly. This needs to print.

It wasn't getting enough votes to stay in the hotness that much today, meanwhile that Penguin Loch Ness Monster was killing the top spot of the hotness all day. A pity as this was dominating for the first two days or so, and now its down to fifth.

This really needs to climb back into the fog.

cobolisdead wrote:It wasn't getting enough votes to stay in the hotness that much today, meanwhile that Penguin Loch Ness Monster was killing the top spot of the hotness all day. A pity as this was dominating for the first two days or so, and now its down to fifth.

This really needs to climb back into the fog.

If I have to pick animals. I will always pick photorealistic ones over cutesy pandering penguins even if the cats don't make sense. Here's hoping this can get its spot back.

The subtle colors on cream shirt show off the cats expressions and details really nicely, great job! I'm disappointed this fell from the fog. Hope the community knows enough to rally and vote it back where it belongs.

SailorButterfly wrote:I'll post again to say I'm satisfied with this. I just mainly didn't like the implication that this design was pandering, but really, that wasn't from you anyway.

Here's the real mystery of the design:
why would a cat kill a mouse and not eat it? XD

My cats bring me mice ALL THE TIME that they've killed and not eaten. Or ones they've not even killed and just want to play with....

I, for one, love this shirt and hope it prints. It's one of the better shirts I've seen in a while.

Hmmm...I hope this makes it back to the fog....

*mourns*

Anyway, nice shirt!

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Come on folks! Just a few more votes to get it back into the fog!

cobolisdead wrote:Come on folks! Just a few more votes to get it back into the fog!

yeah, can't believe this got knocked out!

Hey - how do I vote? I think this shirt rocks!

When will they sell them?

g

gabriel404 wrote:Hey - how do I vote? I think this shirt rocks!

When will they sell them?

g

Voting

Only users who have made at least one purchase at any Woot site may vote in the Derby. If that’s you, just click “I’d Want One” next to any designs that catch your fancy. You can vote for as many different designs as you like, but only once per design. If you don’t see the “I’d Want One” buttons next to the designs, you’re either not logged in, or you’ve never bought anything from Woot. Go log in and/or buy something if you want to vote.

(your purchase doesn't have to be a shirt, it could also be from woot.com, sellout.woot.com, or wine.woot.com)

The top 3 designs are sold on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

gabriel404 wrote:Hey - how do I vote? I think this shirt rocks!

When will they sell them?

g

You might find something on Woot.com today, as they are offering multiple items today in their "Woot Off".

cobolisdead wrote:You might find something on Woot.com today, as they are offering multiple items today in their "Woot Off".

Awesome - thanks a lot!

cobolisdead wrote:It wasn't getting enough votes to stay in the hotness that much today, meanwhile that Penguin Loch Ness Monster was killing the top spot of the hotness all day. A pity as this was dominating for the first two days or so, and now its down to fifth.

This really needs to climb back into the fog.

Annnnnd we're back! That'll show those penguins...

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Love it! I like the idea as well as the stylization. I would wear this, and buy more for friends!

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Brilliant. GMV!

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Awesome to see this back in the fog! Come on folks! Lets make sure it prints!

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I'm so happy this made it back into the fog!!!!! I'm totally in for one if it prints.

...I really like the whole concept of the shirt. I mean, yeah, cats and clue may not necessarily go together, but the complete absurdity of the whole cats-playing-clue thing is just hilarious to me! Not to mention I think the idea was well executed. Well done, mystery artist!

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fooooggg!!!!!!!!!

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Its a great design, but why would this make a good shirt? Why would I want to wear this?

hotdam wrote:Its a great design, but why would this make a good shirt? Why would I want to wear this?

Because cats are awesome and the game Clue rocks.

Urtawkin2adork83 wrote:Here's another idea. get the f out of my conversation.
Thank you

Hmmm let's see:
-Open forum
-Wasn't your conversation to begin with
-And you're being a general d-bag about it.

Other than watching you flail helplessly as you lose in a battle of wits, I see no reason to go further. But I'm sure you'll continue to look like an ass.

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apcray! Its bouncing in and out of the fog! Come on folks! Keep voting for this design!

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This shirt is classy. Will buy one if it prints. Love the game of clue, and I think this shirt does a good job of bringing it to life through cats.

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Hey, when is this one going to the printer. It's so cute! I just love it. It is really cool how you included the cats as characters in clue.

neonix wrote:They aren't lolcats. That was an implication that someone other than the artist created. But I have to ask you AdderXYU, are you familiar with this drink? You must drink a lot of it.

I ask because the feeling I get from you by reading your posts on Woot is that you are attempting to be satirical in hopes that Woot will become a better shirt site, but deep down you've given up hope and don't think it could get better because there's no need for them to change anything because they are making money anyway and the mass of Woot members don't notice how bad the place is--you're the only one intelligent enough to get all this and the true intentions of Woot.

The reason for using cats is needless to know. Who ever said a parody needed a reason? Things don't need a reason, Mr. Logical, especially not art. Even if the cats were used to get more votes, it's justifiable because why would one hold back an idea that will get a lot of votes and buyers?

Just as a side note, no parody really is necessary. As long as we're talking about necessities, other than plain solid Tees, almost no T-shirt is necessary either. But thousands of these unnecessary shirts are made and sold every day. Why then, if they are unnecessary, do they sell? Because people don't buy only on necessity; they buy things they want. So why does this shirt have Cats on it? Because people want them and the artist knew that.

Wow, very well said, I agree totally. However that being said, I want to voice the fact that fanatical cat people...scratch that (no pun intended) fanatical "pet" people are really effing annoying. I mean you buy this shirt, then it makes it that much easier to buy that cat mug you've always wanted then you get that cutesy doormat that has some inane cat quote or saying on it that you've told all your friends about and before you know it, you own 30 some odd cats and are on some animal planet show, featuring you and your crazy cat ways, and you have cat hair floating around and you get it in your mouth, and that apcray is damn near impossible to get out. Oh it happens! In sumation:
Pet fanaticals = DOOM.

And all of it could've been avoided by voting on a different, more worthy shirt. ;)

CryptoNite wrote:Wow, very well said, I agree totally. However that being said, I want to voice the fact that fanatical cat people...scratch that (no pun intended) fanatical "pet" people are really effing annoying. I mean you buy this shirt, then it makes it that much easier to buy that cat mug you've always wanted then you get that cutesy doormat that has some inane cat quote or saying on it that you've told all your friends about and before you know it, you own 30 some odd cats and are on some animal planet show, featuring you and your crazy cat ways, and you have cat hair floating around and you get it in your mouth, and that apcray is damn near impossible to get out. Oh it happens! In sumation:
Pet fanaticals = DOOM.

And all of it could've been avoided by voting on a different, more worthy shirt. ;)

LOL! Its too late, I already have a cat, a dog, and a fish at home!

Icemank91 wrote:This shirt is classy. Will buy one if it prints. Love the game of clue, and I think this shirt does a good job of bringing it to life through cats.

Woot, if you're listening - I will buy the hell out of this shirt if it prints. The real "mystery" in this derby is how ***'s quality design fell out of the fog when that ugly swirly/book/halftone thing is still in.

Thanks for the votes and support, guys! I can't believe how crazy this derby has been!

Urtawkin2adork83 wrote:Here's another idea. get the f out of my conversation.
Thank you

Yeah I know you were trying to defend me, but this is a public forum and Jaden is definitely welcome in any of my shirt design threads.

Pandering or No Pandering this shirt is not only great in concept, it's very well executed.

If you call pandering, i call shenanigans.

GMV.

cobolisdead wrote:apcray! Its bouncing in and out of the fog! Come on folks! Keep voting for this design!

Yeah, it's very frustrating. I'm getting whiplash watching this shirt. >.<

AdderXYU wrote:I like how this utilizes a cute animal for absolutely no reason. It is a MYSTERY to me why that is the case. Surely there must be a reason deeper than "cute = vote"?

I just assumed that they were cats, because cats have such a killer instinct. One of them killed that mouse... but who?

As for crayons, yeah, the people have names that are colors. But that seems to be a more one dimensional look-- not a far leap to make Mr. Green and Mrs. White crayons. This is fanciful and clever.

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I think the displaced grooming of Mrs. White is a red herring. I am highly suspicious of Mr. Green. He has the rope, and all the other weapons require opposable thumbs.

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I must say, you did a great job personifying the cats, especially Col. Mustard and Miss Scarlet... I really like the effort you put into this design and I appreciate that it's not like the other cutesy animal designs. This HAS to print!!! I must have...

bfr004 wrote:I think the displaced grooming of Mrs. White is a red herring. I am highly suspicious of Mr. Green. He has the rope, and all the other weapons require opposable thumbs.

I'm thinking it was Mr Green too. He looks like he is protecting his trophy from Mrs. Peacock.

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clearly its the sassy one in the red thing. She exudes and air of "I DID IT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

Hakai wrote:clearly its the sassy one in the red thing. She exudes and air of "I DID IT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

Even if you were right, that would be one plus one plus two plus one, not one plus two plus one plus one.

JustJiggles wrote:Even if you were right, that would be one plus one plus two plus one, not one plus two plus one plus one.

AWESOME! Man, I need to get that movie on DVD.

SailorButterfly wrote:Yeah, it's very frustrating. I'm getting whiplash watching this shirt. >.<

I'm getting a neck brace, did you want one too?

mrwednesday wrote:stuff referring to stuff about stuff.

O.M.G. Your "stuff" postings are too funny!

~wanders off in a fit of giggles~

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c'mon folks... cats in coats are hilarious! Let's get this one back in the fog.

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Very nice!

If you ever print this elsewhere lemme know :]

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This design is very well done AND would sell like hotcakes. I have trouble believing it wouldn't dominate in the HM derby if it doesn't make it back to the fog. Here's hoping...

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Get back in the fog now!

Icemank91 wrote:Get back in the fog now!

Here here!

I just bought a different shirt from the Reckoning, just so I could vote in the Derby.

I hope Cats with Weapons wins!!

Holy apcray this is a nail biter ending. Thanks everyone!

theinfinityloop wrote:Holy apcray this is a nail biter ending. Thanks everyone!

This is exciting. Good luck!

trekmiss wrote:This is exciting. Good luck!

Yes yes!

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Nice colors and characters. My favorite cat is the one with the monocle!

theinfinityloop wrote:Holy apcray this is a nail biter ending. Thanks everyone!

Wow! This is going to be a photo-finish! Good luck!

When are they going to show the artists names?

JordanTG wrote:When are they going to show the artists names?

They revealed who the top four are in this thread:

http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=3290393&PageIndex=1&ReplyCount=10

cobolisdead wrote:They revealed who the top four are in this thread:

http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=3290393&PageIndex=1&ReplyCount=10

That's all well and good, but i am more interested in seeing the name's of some of those that were rejected, and didn't quite make it. Will those be revealed as well?

JordanTG wrote:That's all well and good, but i am more interested in seeing the name's of some of those that were rejected, and didn't quite make it. Will those be revealed as well?

I think Shirtderbystats still has them all listed.

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I am absolutely crazy for this shirt! Must, must have it.

This is called "having a set of personal morals and ethics". I recommend it to anyone[/quote]

Some would call it being a boorish pompous ass.We are talking about T-SHIRTS for God's sake!I'm sorry,but I just have to laugh at the seriousness of it all.

Yay! This is awesome!! Please make it!!! :D :D

SailorButterfly wrote:I'll post again to say I'm satisfied with this. I just mainly didn't like the implication that this design was pandering, but really, that wasn't from you anyway.

Here's the real mystery of the design:
why would a cat kill a mouse and not eat it? XD

Because many of them - including ours - do just that. "The game's afoot!" (pun quite intentional), and all that.