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Epic Battle

Epic Battle
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jlegos


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let the battle commence!

cruelnv


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Sad as it is, you have no idea how many times I've debated this with someone... I'll probably be in for 3... XD

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hiflood


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I've never wanted a shirt more.

nblottie


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Pretty sure you just grabbed 1st place. Great illo!

jmig


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Cute!

blinddog3d


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Books like a winner! Nice! Expelliamos!
Oh, it's still here, well I guess I'll have to vote, then.
BlinDog3D

taylertot


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All right, so...second and third place are still open, right? You can't beat a shirt that has Harry Potter AND Gandalf...

mrwednesday


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The hat completely lacks any dimensionality. It looks like a piece of cardboard taped to the book.

epicfal


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I love their faces! D'aww!

taternuggets


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Gandalf knows to not touch the ring.


Nothing follows.

pottermom


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want

cruelnv


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taternuggets wrote:Gandalf knows to not touch the ring.


I thought the same thing. XD I'm going to assume it's his elven ring though. I must be a nerd or something. ;)

Also, did I mention I really want this shirt? If it doesn't print, I'm going to... um... probably do nothing... but I will be really sad.

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bellarific


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If I don't own this, I'm going to cry.

pottermom


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bellarific wrote:If I don't own this, I'm going to cry.


I agree!

ettanin


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It is precious to me...

surfdad


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Homage to ramyb or another collab?

pipersage


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cruelnv wrote:Sad as it is, you have no idea how many times I've debated this with someone... I'll probably be in for 3... XD


Not that sad...pretty sure there is a club about this and now this will be the uniform.

6 for me then ;) (is it sad that I run the club or that there are only 6 people in it?)

headfone


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This will sell a million.
Everyone will get it right away, but it's still abstract enough to be awesome.
I won't put it into the Hamper of Fame yet, but this should win, then go straight to the top of the reckoning chart.
It's so well done that I voted for it, even though I probably wouldn't buy one. I never do that.

AdderXYU


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Sometimes, I think that a shirt that says "Breathing: You Do It!" would be the ultimate tee, because it'd be the most obvious reference to something we all know.

Once again, like the entire non-art collective spawned from desu jones, there is zero to this. No quality of execution, for sure, but especially no originality of design. Only two sorts of people have never heard this idea before: people who are lucky enough to not know potter/tolkien nerds, and people who don't exist. If you're somehow in a third category, congratulations, you somehow avoided the most overthought idea in nerd-dom.

And for the love of all that is holy, how is Harry Potter not a copyrighted character? "Obviously, copyrighted characters and celebrity author likenesses are off limits." Well, with these peeps, it clearly is not obvious, and when this isn't rejected, it will be even less obvious. Follow your own rules, and punish those who neglect to EVER do so.

bluetuba


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This shirt and it's entire thread makes my head hurt.

scionofjubal


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Wait, so it's a battle between Harry Potter and Gandalf? Or the actual book The Fellowship of the Ring and The Sorcerer's Stone? Why are they books? OH! To force your cool idea into the theme. Got it. I like the designs about books better.

ccazabon


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AdderXYU wrote:...
And for the love of all that is holy, how is Harry Potter not a copyrighted character? "Obviously, copyrighted characters and celebrity author likenesses are off limits." Well, with these peeps, it clearly is not obvious, and when this isn't rejected, it will be even less obvious. Follow your own rules, and punish those who neglect to EVER do so.


a book with round glasses and a zig-zag scar-like mark is not a copyrighted character. Just because we all know it is clearly resembling harry potter doesn't make it so, either. Although I agree with your first points, you either don't know what parody is and that woot allows it, or you are hoping other people don't understand and will just jump on the bandwagon with you

bluejester


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I think it's supposed to be his arm, but I can't get over the fact that the Potter book looks like he has an ear piercing on his left side.

Also, and I know I've said this about other designs like this before, and honestly it's just me trying to think ahead--but when you do placement of objects on a shirt think of placement of anatomy as well. Although this isn't outright a boob shirt, if the books were any farther apart it runs that risk. As it is, I can still think of a few risque remarks about "Opening up the covers, and skim through the good parts" based on the placement of the books here.

Not trying to be cruel or too goofy here, just trying to point out why this design might make the lady folk hesistant.

cruelnv


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scionofjubal wrote:Wait, so it's a battle between Harry Potter and Gandalf? Or the actual book The Fellowship of the Ring and The Sorcerer's Stone? Why are they books? OH! To force your cool idea into the theme. Got it. I like the designs about books better.


Aside from the fact that the books were made into movies, these were definitely characters from books first. The designer could have just illustrated Harry Potter vs. Gandalf, and it would have been based on literature. As it stands, by turning them into books, it makes this also about one book vs. the other (or that book's brand of magic) and also makes it a parody (and therefor avoids copyright issues).

But, by all means, continue to bash someone else's work simply because you don't like it.


P.S. For those that don't grasp how this isn't infringing upon copyrighted characters, here is the definition of a parody according to Merriam-Webster (which protects you from copyrighted characters):

par·o·dy noun \ˈper-ə-dē, ˈpa-rə-\
1. a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule

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AdderXYU


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cruelnv wrote:
par·o·dy noun \ˈper-ə-dē, ˈpa-rə-\
1. a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule


Besides this being an incredibly weak interpretation of parody (either M-W needs better editors, or you simply cherrypicked the concept you preferred), it really doesn't matter. Woot said, very simply, NO COPYRIGHTED CHARACTERS. That should mean that, even if this is a parody, it should be rejected. Harry Potter was a book before a movie, and the cover of every book depicts him basically this very way. Presumably the art is just as copyrighted as the books are. Same with the Dr. Seuss debauchery. In this tee alone, there are eleven books worth of characters, all under copyright, being represented. Given the rules woot posted, neither tee has a right to win.

cruelnv


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AdderXYU wrote:Besides this being an incredibly weak interpretation of parody (either M-W needs better editors, or you simply cherrypicked the concept you preferred), it really doesn't matter. Woot said, very simply, NO COPYRIGHTED CHARACTERS. That should mean that, even if this is a parody, it should be rejected. Harry Potter was a book before a movie, and the cover of every book depicts him basically this very way. Presumably the art is just as copyrighted as the books are. Same with the Dr. Seuss debauchery. In this tee alone, there are eleven books worth of characters, all under copyright, being represented. Given the rules woot posted, neither tee has a right to win.


Actually, I'm pretty sure that is the definitive definition (redundant?) of "parody." I had first done a search in Google using "define: parody" that I actually thought was more fitting, but decided to use something with more credibility. The Dr. Seuss-based submission definitely falls under the category of a parody as well.

IF, however, Woot's rule on "no copyrighted characters" is to be taken at face value and not the always implied (as far as I have ever seen in the rejections at least) unless parodied, THEN yes, you are correct. However, based on the language used ("Obviously..."), I would assume that they meant it to be interpreted as is the general custom in these derbies.

I suppose one's choice in design comes down to how literally you think Woot will/should enforce their rule.

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spanchenblow


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"Why are they books? I don't get it."

"Well... the woot derby was about books, I guess."

"Oh, that's pretty dumb."

"It seemed like a cool design at the time."

"They're books."

"Well maybe they represent the debate over which of the stories are better?"

"Seriously? The writing styles are not at all similar and they were written for wildly different audiences. How can it even be a comparison, other than that they can be categorized into the same broad fantasy genre?"

"Dammit, I don't know! Leave me alone!"

nichele27


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I like that the colors in the shirt are shown as little books, it makes me smile.

cruelnv


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spanchenblow wrote:
"Dammit, I don't know! Leave me alone!"


Haha. I don't completely agree, but this still made me laugh.

chocolover wrote:As cool as this shirt is it seems like the person got the idea from this threadless tshirt: http://www.threadless.com/product/2609/Storytellers?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=gg_aff&utm_campaign=k210012


That shirt is great (I love that The Watchmen was used). The shirt was maybe used for inspiration, but it's a completely different shirt. Also, while maybe a bit off topic, does anyone know what book the monster with the apple is from (second row from the bottom)? I can only think of Where the Wild Things Are and The Very Hungry Caterpillar...

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Travest


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Interesting that 2 people called attention to copyrighted characters in this and Ramyb's Dr. Seuss...but the same people seem to have no problem with Mark Twain's visage being on 2 fogged shirts..last time i checked thats a "celebrity author likeness". Where's the rage there? Oh, maybe Adder is just misreading the rules so s/he can complain about the designer since the design has no fault..i see.

Josephus


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Travest wrote:Interesting that 2 people called attention to copyrighted characters in this and Ramyb's Dr. Seuss...but the same people seem to have no problem with Mark Twain's visage being on 2 fogged shirts..last time i checked thats a "celebrity author likeness". Where's the rage there? Oh, maybe Adder is just misreading the rules so s/he can complain about the designer since the design has no fault..i see.


In general, woot considers currently alive people, or recently dead folks, as 'celebrities'. Someone who died in 1910 doesn't fit that criteria so much. and copyright is copyright. lawsuits abound on copyright violations.

changelingfey


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bluejester wrote: Also, and I know I've said this about other designs like this before, and honestly it's just me trying to think ahead--but when you do placement of objects on a shirt think of placement of anatomy as well. Although this isn't outright a boob shirt, if the books were any farther apart it runs that risk. As it is, I can still think of a few risque remarks about "Opening up the covers, and skim through the good parts" based on the placement of the books here.

Not trying to be cruel or too goofy here, just trying to point out why this design might make the lady folk hesistant.


Mmkay, speaking as one of the ladyfolk, I must let you know that this is not one of the shirts I'd worry about being a "boob shirt." There are certainly shirts out there where the design would be obscured, or taken in the wrong way (though admittedly I've never had it happen), but this isn't one of them. If this prints I will buy it with no hesitation whatsoever.

ccazabon


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Josephus wrote:In general, woot considers currently alive people, or recently dead folks, as 'celebrities'. Someone who died in 1910 doesn't fit that criteria so much. and copyright is copyright. lawsuits abound on copyright violations.


Point being, this still is NOT copyright violation. Not even close.

consider this: woot included the "no star wars" rule, which would be redundant if "no copyright" was the same as no parody, which it's not. If they didn't want parody, they would either say "no parody" or "no pop culture references" which they've done before.

cruelnv


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If anyone else looked at the the shirt referenced earlier, I now know what the book was that I couldn't identify; Twilight. I have to say, I'm kind of glad I couldn't tell...

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Josephus


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ccazabon wrote:Point being, this still is NOT copyright violation. Not even close.

consider this: woot included the "no star wars" rule, which would be redundant if "no copyright" was the same as no parody, which it's not. If they didn't want parody, they would either say "no parody" or "no pop culture references" which they've done before.

To try to say this design falls under the copyright rule alone, is just ignorance or stupidity.


Actually, I don't really give a flying warp about whether there's a copyright violation (guess I never should have mentioned copyright in my response). All I was trying to do was help with the misunderstanding about 'celebrity likeness'. Copyright law, anyway, is so extensively litigated and complex, that I doubt that anyone who misunderstands some arcane portion of it is either ignorant or Jatravartid. To make such an ad hominem comment is just rude and trollish.

ccazabon


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Josephus wrote:Actually, I don't really give a flying warp about whether there's a copyright violation (guess I never should have mentioned copyright in my response). All I was trying to do was help with the misunderstanding about 'celebrity likeness'. Copyright law, anyway, is so extensively litigated and complex, that I doubt that anyone who misunderstands some arcane portion of it is either ignorant or Jatravartid. To make such an ad hominem comment is just rude and trollish.


True, you didn't say this design was, I was mostly directing my argument against adder who insists that it is definitely against the rules. Yes copyright can be very complex, which on my part I poorly implied when saying that someone stating that this definitely violates it is ignorant to the fact that parody is allowed, even if the process for determining if it is goes into the "grey area"

ccazabon


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I guess I would also appear to fall into the same category of simply saying that it's definitely not a violation on my original comment, so I'd rather correct that to say its not a definite copyright violation, or (in my opinion, based on what I know) even close.

maryccollins18


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Must... Have... Precious shirt... We wants it. We needs it!!! In my opinion the battle between the books: HP would win. In my opinion!!! I love LOTR too, just HP more. The battle between these wizards: Gandalf would destroy. The real battle would be between Gandalf and Dumbledore... Yea!

aemely


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Harry Potter is about to have his ass kicked.

ningrim


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Humanizing inanimate objects in some humorous fashion seems to be the most popular type of shirt.

Not complaining, I like those types of shirts. But it's becoming a crutch almost.

bluejester


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changelingfey wrote:Mmkay, speaking as one of the ladyfolk, I must let you know that this is not one of the shirts I'd worry about being a "boob shirt." There are certainly shirts out there where the design would be obscured, or taken in the wrong way (though admittedly I've never had it happen), but this isn't one of them. If this prints I will buy it with no hesitation whatsoever.


Shrugs

If you say so. I just get leary when I see two like objects that are placed opposing one another on sides of a shirt. I have a couple of little sisters who frequent this site and they may not realize until too late that they have purchased a boob shirt. If you say that the placement won't be an issue, I'll have to take your word for it as I am not chunky enough to have moobs to test out the theory myself should this print.

jenae00


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Love, love love this shirt! Need it asap.

aroomadoomie


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do you do this by hand or on the computer?

melfox86


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cruelnv wrote:If anyone else looked at the the shirt referenced earlier, I now know what the book was that I couldn't identify; Twilight. I have to say, I'm kind of glad I couldn't tell...


HA! Hahahaha. You made me laugh a lot. You are full of win. :-)

redmc


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i really really hope this get printed! best of luck will buy!!!

mathewslim


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cruelnv wrote:That shirt is great (I love that The Watchmen was used). The shirt was maybe used for inspiration, but it's a completely different shirt. Also, while maybe a bit off topic, does anyone know what book the monster with the apple is from (second row from the bottom)? I can only think of Where the Wild Things Are and The Very Hungry Caterpillar...


twilight I think.

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