Derby #268: Crosshatch Rehash

Liber-T

Rejected because: This looks like a photo run through a filter, we're going for hand drawn crosshatching this week

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cmdixon2


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It's amazing how many lyonscc entries there are in the fog this week...and every week...on the first day. Hmm...

nycbrent


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This looks like a good editors pick - doesn't matter if they print it crooked or not!

artulo


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This is all hand drawn??

lyonscc


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cmdixon2 wrote:It's amazing how many lyonscc entries there are in the fog this week...and every week...on the first day. Hmm...


I have a FB mailing list with about 30 friends/family on it... (make that 2 FB lists, one with close friends/family, and one with friends/acquaintances of my college-age kids)

Even my sister (who couldn't bring herself to buy a Donner Party shirt, because that was too gross for her) gets in and votes, usually in the first hour or so...

orabbit


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cmdixon2 wrote:It's amazing how many lyonscc entries there are in the fog this week...and every week...on the first day. Hmm...


Hmm... a lot of folks love the Photoshop Effects look?

oakenspirit


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lyonscc wrote:I have a FB mailing list with about 30 friends/family on it... (make that 2 FB lists, one with close friends/family, and one with friends/acquaintances of my college-age kids)

Even my sister (who couldn't bring herself to buy a Donner Party shirt, because that was too gross for her) gets in and votes, usually in the first hour or so...


Hmmm... so is a guy who avoids all social media and who has never sold a shirt and thus hasn't become one of the regulars doomed from day one???

Maybe I'm doing this wrong...

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lyonscc


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oakenspirit wrote:Hmmm... so is a guy who avoids all social media and who has never sold a shirt and thus hasn't become one of the regulars doomed from day one???

Maybe I'm doing this wrong...

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I wouldn't say that.

It does help to have a small list of dedicated friends and family who are woot purchasers, but since most winning designs have 600+ votes, unless you have 600+ friends, it still comes down to having good, solid designs. Your friends/family can help boost you early on, like getting you into the "New Hotness" list, which gets more eyes on your design for awhile.

I currently get notices when a couple of the other artists post new designs, because they use social media, and it would be even easier if shirt.what started working again.

But, like I say, a good design beats any social media advantages.

lyonscc


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orabbit wrote:Hmm... a lot of folks love the Photoshop Effects look?


While I do/did use Illustrator almost exclusively, I don't think I used "Photoshop Effects" on any of my designs this week...

lyonscc


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Oh - totally forgot to say - I really did enjoy this week (which is why I ended up with so many designs). I have insomnia, particularly during the fall allergy season, so this gives me something more productive than video games and late-night TV during those hours...

I keep a folder full of ideas, many of them half-worked, and a lot of them really worked well with cross-hatching. I was able to develop a number of Illustrator brushes the sped up the process considerably.

cmdixon2


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artulo wrote:This is all hand drawn??


^ You forgot to answer this.

lyonscc


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cmdixon2 wrote:^ You forgot to answer this.


Sorry - I missed it.

If by "hand drawn", you mean done in Illustrator with brushes, vectors and non-halftone techniques, yes. Some of my brushes were made via scanning in ink-hatches.

justinsarahjo


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I appreciate this post because I see that it does takes some loyal regulars to get yourself up into the fog. I've been so frustrated with this site for a long time because my shirts i put hours and hours into often get no recognition. Decided I'll spend more time with my family then waste hours of time and sleep focusing on a doomed idea. I'll only participate when it really counts. Anyone else experience this frustration themselves?

collinvh


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lyonscc wrote:Sorry - I missed it.

If by "hand drawn", you mean done in Illustrator with brushes, vectors and non-halftone techniques, yes. Some of my brushes were made via scanning in ink-hatches.


I believe by "hand drawn" he means "drawn by hand", in other words, without the use of a computer. The derby rules clearly state "Just draw 'em!". They are looking for hand drawn designs.

I understand this might not be the exact photo you used to create your design but please try to keep your designs original (without altering another artists work).

lyonscc


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collinvh wrote:I believe by "hand drawn" he means "drawn by hand", in other words, without the use of a computer. The derby rules clearly state "Just draw 'em!". They are looking for hand drawn designs.

I understand this might not be the exact photo you used to create your design but please try to keep your designs original (without altering another artists work).


Collinvh - actually, I used a photo I took at Ellis Island to get the initial tracing (for the shaded areas). That particular angle is fairly popular, since it's available in the courtyard at the bottom of the statue. (So I'm not using another artist's work).

(EDIT: I travel quite a bit, so I've got thousands of photos/locations I can choose from for inspiration, outlines, etc. For example, I will be in Tanzania in a couple of weeks with a philanthropic group, and one weekend I'll be on safari (so I expect I will have a lot of African animal/scenery pics to add to my repertoire)...

bluetuba


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lyonscc wrote:Collinvh - actually, I used a photo I took at Ellis Island to get the initial tracing (for the shaded areas). That particular angle is fairly popular, since it's available in the courtyard at the bottom of the statue. (So I'm not using another artist's work).

(EDIT: I travel quite a bit, so I've got thousands of photos/locations I can choose from for inspiration, outlines, etc. For example, I will be in Tanzania in a couple of weeks with a philanthropic group, and one weekend I'll be on safari (so I expect I will have a lot of African animal/scenery pics to add to my repertoire)...


Maybe one of the artists who pays closer attention can chime in with the finer points of how the rules work but we don't see photo tracers last very long around here. I'm surprised you don't get rejected more often honestly.

"You can't just dress a Minion like Spock, and add a caption that says "Logical Me". There's a prison for people like that. Below my house."

lyonscc


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bluetuba wrote:Maybe one of the artists who pays closer attention can chime in with the finer points of how the rules work but we don't see photo tracers last very long around here. I'm surprised you don't get rejected more often honestly.


Most of my designs over the past year don't ref any photos.

And when I say "trace a photo", I mean "use it as a transparent reference" (for shading, shape, etc.) and not Illustrator's "Live Trace" function (which is nigh on useless for six-color designs).

runnerfrog13


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collinvh wrote:I believe by "hand drawn" he means "drawn by hand", in other words, without the use of a computer. The derby rules clearly state "Just draw 'em!". They are looking for hand drawn designs

You're being deliberately nit-picky. Most of these entries are done on a computer, there's no way you could GET a one-color entry submitted electronically without work done on it through a computer.

I read hand-drawn and interpret it as not using brushes that imitate cross-hatching, but there were entries in the last cross-hatch derby that used such brushes and so I don't see a problem with it myself.

Unfortunately, looks like those brushes gave the rejectionator the feeling that it was just a photo-filter. Tough luck Lyonscc

runnerfrog13


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justinsarahjo wrote:I appreciate this post because I see that it does takes some loyal regulars to get yourself up into the fog. I've been so frustrated with this site for a long time because my shirts i put hours and hours into often get no recognition. Decided I'll spend more time with my family then waste hours of time and sleep focusing on a doomed idea. I'll only participate when it really counts. Anyone else experience this frustration themselves?

I think you missed the point. A mere 30 loyal regulars won't get you into the fog. 50 loyal regulars won't get you into the fog. What it WILL get you, combined with early submission, is early visibility. If you have a good design, early visibility will help get the word out, it may also likely show up near the top of the page before more than 9 entries are submitted, or be in the "recent votes" sidebar after it gets pushed down the page.

Have you considered submitting shirts as dailies? (ie, not in the derby) You may also consider looking into some of the other shirt submission sites, such as threadless or, um, [that one I forgot the same of which starts with an 'S']

Participating in the pre-derby threads can help too, there are always people willing to comment and make suggestions for potential designs, plus you get a little bit of early recognition ("oh hey, he changed X, yeah that was a good move") from people who noticed your design in the thread

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