Derby #158: Physics
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Cold Fusion

Cold Fusion
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tjost


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Cold fusion, the power of the stars at room temp, stars in jars, the holy grail of nuclear physics.

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endangeredomega


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Sorry guys, but apart from the shiny ramyglow, I'm just not seeing the appeal of this one. (Then again, I'm more of a biology/theatre/comics geek, so if there's some big physics joke behind it I'm not getting, please explain.)

Knowing the crowd I hang out with, from any kind of distance, this will just be seen as just another Tony Stark chest-reactor design. :/

LOLcommunism


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tjost wrote:Cold fusion, the power of the stars at room temp, stars in jars, the holy grail of nuclear physics.

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Sw33t! :D

Would you kindly...

Siax


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looks like the blue orb in the astroboy movie +1

bassanimation


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endangeredomega wrote:shiny ramyglow


It is cold fusion, which is sometimes referred to as a 'star in a jar' or 'sun in a jar'. I made it look more star-like in the end. Here is a short article about the 'star in a jar' concept.

Stars are bright and do glow. As for shine, it is inside a glass jar. Glass reflects light so any light source will reflect and 'shine' off of the glass. ^^; Glow and shine are part of the physical nature of the objects depicted.

tjost


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endangeredomega wrote:Sorry guys, but apart from the shiny ramyglow, I'm just not seeing the appeal of this one. (Then again, I'm more of a biology/theatre/comics geek, so if there's some big physics joke behind it I'm not getting, please explain.)

Knowing the crowd I hang out with, from any kind of distance, this will just be seen as just another Tony Stark chest-reactor design. :/


First, I'm gonna ignore the Ramy reference, second the theory of cold fusion has been around awhile and has been popularized in movies such as IQ or The Saint. It's widely discredited by most researchers today but renewed interest has sparked up in the last few years. It basically proposes the possibility of harnessing the incredible power of nuclear fusion in a containable safe format. Basically stars in jars as I said earlier hence the image. Look it up in places like wikipedia to get more info. It's basically the holy grail of energy science, something that will probably never be acheived but tantalyzing at the same time.

artulo


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I think I have some of this in my pantry. Gave me some wicked heartburn last time.

Spiritgreen


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Very nice, guys! The solar spikes/flares sell the science feel, and it makes a good looking shirt. :^)

specsmachine


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I bet you could make one heck of a lightsaber with that kind of energy. +1

kylemittskus


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bassanimation wrote:It is cold fusion, which is sometimes referred to as a 'star in a jar' or 'sun in a jar'. I made it look more star-like in the end. Here is a short article about the 'star in a jar' concept.

Stars are bright and do glow. As for shine, it is inside a glass jar. Glass reflects light so any light source will reflect and 'shine' off of the glass. ^^; Glow and shine are part of the physical nature of the objects depicted.


I have to agree with the ramyb comment. And I don't think endangeredomega or I misunderstand the idea of the star-in-a-jar idea. Personally, I'm just sick of seeing this shiny style that was done in Seki's Birth of the Moon shirt as well as others which have names less memorable than the shirts themselves.

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megsck


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i dont get why people care so much about other shirts, just judge this shirt by its own strengths and weaknesses, not by others. how else would you do a star in a jar without a glow?

I think what people are missing is the amazing rendering of this piece. that jar is amazing! and the beautiful, quite calmness of this design is stunning. +1 from me.

jasneko


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Looks very sharp guys! It also could interpreted as a super mutant firefly in a jar;) The colors suit the shirt very well and the whole design is very crisp, neat and attractive.


Andy47240


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I think this is really neat. Great skills.



endangeredomega


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kylemittskus wrote:I have to agree with the ramyb comment. And I don't think endangeredomega or I misunderstand the idea of the star-in-a-jar idea. Personally, I'm just sick of seeing this shiny style that was done in Seki's Birth of the Moon shirt as well as others which have names less memorable than the shirts themselves.



I'll admit to my own ignorance; I needed the 'star-in-a-jar' reference explained to me.

However, the design still isn't something I find particularly striking or exciting, and not something I'd personally choose to wear. I'll continue to withold my vote for that reason.

Neither artist should worry overmuch about my solitary opinion; the shirt will probably rocket towards the fog regardless, because Wooters love shiny things.

lucky1988


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Awesome job with the coloring. The jar looks so realistic! +1

BaldBob007


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The jar is quite beautifully done, especially that lid. Goodness... I think the "shiny" is necessary in this case and fits the subject matter. However, I don't really know why I would wear it as a t-shirt.

The only criticism I would offer is that the glow from the star appears to be in front of the reflected light on the jar in a few spots. I'm sure it is just the similarity in colors - but I still see the star as outside the jar sometimes when I glance at it.

Overall, though, amazing work!

LOLcommunism


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endangeredomega wrote:I'll admit to my own ignorance; I needed the 'star-in-a-jar' reference explained to me.

However, the design still isn't something I find particularly striking or exciting, and not something I'd personally choose to wear. I'll continue to withold my vote for that reason.

Neither artist should worry overmuch about my solitary opinion; the shirt will probably rocket towards the fog regardless, because Wooters love shiny things.


I totally agree with this.

I really can't see myself wearing a shiny orb, in a jar, in the middle of my shirt.

IT IIIIS very well drawn though, I will admit this is a very skillful, well done, high level drawing. I just feel it doesn't belong on a shirt.

My opinion

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Draug


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It's in a jar! :D Win!

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odysseyroc


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This is an awesome illustration. I always find it hard to pull of believable glass, but you totally nailed it.





tjost


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endangeredomega wrote:I'll admit to my own ignorance; I needed the 'star-in-a-jar' reference explained to me.

However, the design still isn't something I find particularly striking or exciting, and not something I'd personally choose to wear. I'll continue to withold my vote for that reason.

Neither artist should worry overmuch about my solitary opinion; the shirt will probably rocket towards the fog regardless, because Wooters love shiny things.


Thats cool, it's a good thing we don't all wear the same thing (though if you want to join in the fun and buy the Binge I won't stop you) Just wanted to do something in contrast to my more cute entry this week. Hopefully in the future I'll do something that strikes a chord with you, I always try to change up my designs and styles.

tjost


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odysseyroc wrote:This is an awesome illustration. I always find it hard to pull of believable glass, but you totally nailed it.


Thanks but I think Bass did most of the heavy lifting on this one. The thing that took me the longest actually was making a glow around the base that looked somewhat believable, spent a good 3-4 hours on just that part :S

endangeredomega


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tjost wrote:Thats cool, it's a good thing we don't all wear the same thing (though if you want to join in the fun and buy the Binge I won't stop you) Just wanted to do something in contrast to my more cute entry this week. Hopefully in the future I'll do something that strikes a chord with you, I always try to change up my designs and styles.



Can't claim to have purchased The Binge, but my boyfriend/partner did when it first went on sale, and absolutely loves it. To each his own!

katiedid27


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This reminds me of those sun/moon jars on thinkgeek XD

Very beautiful

tjost


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katiedid27 wrote:This reminds me of those sun/moon jars on thinkgeek XD

Very beautiful


This is the more literal version of those Though I hadn't seen them till we started this design. I just wish they weren't fogged glass cause they would have made for better references

MaliceKaiser


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endangeredomega wrote:I'll admit to my own ignorance; I needed the 'star-in-a-jar' reference explained to me.

However, the design still isn't something I find particularly striking or exciting, and not something I'd personally choose to wear. I'll continue to withold my vote for that reason.

Neither artist should worry overmuch about my solitary opinion; the shirt will probably rocket towards the fog regardless, because Wooters love shiny things.

I have to agree here. No doubt the artists are talented and the subject matter is well-executed, but that doesn't make it a good shirt design in my opinion. To be brutally honest if I saw someone with a shiny object in a jar on their shirt and nothing else I'd wonder "I got owned by woot! is with this shirt. There's a jar on it." It just isn't wearable, and to be quite frank I can't believe it racked up this many votes this fast.

Again, sorry, that's my opinion.

PixelPants


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My hat (beanie) is off to you both. I think the coloring and depiction of the glass is an amazing technical feat. It may sound strange but I'd seriously consider wearing a shirt with just the empty jar on it.

LOLcommunism


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PixelPants wrote:My hat (beanie) is off to you both. I think the coloring and depiction of the glass is an amazing technical feat. It may sound strange but I'd seriously consider wearing a shirt with just the empty jar on it.


LOL

Would you kindly...

tjost


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MaliceKaiser wrote:I have to agree here. No doubt the artists are talented and the subject matter is well-executed, but that doesn't make it a good shirt design in my opinion. To be brutally honest if I saw someone with a shiny object in a jar on their shirt and nothing else I'd wonder "I got owned by woot! is with this shirt. There's a jar on it." It just isn't wearable, and to be quite frank I can't believe it racked up this many votes this fast.

Again, sorry, that's my opinion.


Again thats cool, can't please everyone When I do shirt designs, both professionally and for the derbies, I always try to use good design approaches in terms of balance and composition and I think the balance on this piece works. I can see people not liking to wear a mason jar with a star inside without context, that said though it is a physics shirt and woot has lots of nerds that get the reference and would wear it with pride. Some people even like it when others don't get their shirts and wear them like badges of honor Hope I can make something in the future you'll like.

tjost


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PixelPants wrote:My hat (beanie) is off to you both. I think the coloring and depiction of the glass is an amazing technical feat. It may sound strange but I'd seriously consider wearing a shirt with just the empty jar on it.


Thanks Pixels!

walmazan


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WOW! An you do again guys!

skills!

+1

gwyn779


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The jar really is amazing. I keep coming back just to look at it.

bassanimation


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Thanks for the nice comments everyone, and also for the critiques. As Tjost said, it's hard to please everyone ^^;. When I heard about the star in a jar I didn't understand it either, but upon reading about it I felt it would be visually neat to make. We did our best with it, but I perfectly understand why it doesn't appeal to some people.

Thanks again, guys.

Duddles86


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I think this is doing well b/c there are a lot of science nerds on here (I'm a proud one!) and cold fusion is sort of a nerdy joke and cautionary tale among researchers. You may ask "who would wear a jar on their shirt?", but when you're in a lab there aren't many people around to see it anyway. :-D

veemon147


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This reminds me so much of the Tommyknockers novel. Now all we need is a Tomcat with an extra gear.

Entity17


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Draug wrote:It's in a jar! :D Win!


someone lost their hater-ade on ramy/seki-ish designs. I await your snide post on their next submissions.

nice work anyway.

dyl7x


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Being a (Adobe) ColdFusion developer, this one easily gain my vote.

pi3832


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For historical accuracy, that should be Tupperware, not a glass chair.

Bloodhunter87


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Silent power...nothing more +1!

Hammylink


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It's a little hight on the shirt, but the drawing is great. The reflection is pretty convincing.

It seems like people are hating on this just because it uses similar colors to other shirts. Can you do better? I also don't believe in bashing someone's entire catalog because they have made some ethical mistakes.

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jtbradford


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It's a nice illustration, but I don't get the appeal of having it on a shirt. It reminds me of the lithium shirt that got a bunch of votes too a few derbies ago. Maybe wooters have a power fetish?

swellodell


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Simply beautiful. Clean cut design.

AcorNayho


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The fact that you've been able to render light in glass in this way with a limited selection of colors is truly skillful. Let's take a futuristic concept and put it in a mason jar... quite a brilliant juxtaposition.

+1

kylemittskus


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Bloodhunter87 wrote:Silent power...nothing more +1!


+0 because you can't vote. Well done!

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megsck


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fabiofranca


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These are cool halftones...
Can you imagine if we could have some little recipients like this one with a weak cold fusion going on just to put all around the garden at night and give it some ambience to receive friends in hot summer nights...

Sorry, don't know why I said this...

Draug


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Entity17 wrote:someone lost their hater-ade on ramy/seki-ish designs. I await your snide post on their next submissions.

nice work anyway.


I'm confused...you quoted me. Was this comment then directed at me? D: Why am I not allowed to like a glowing jar? It's definitely different than anything else I've seen on woot in a while...

I <3 jars! \^_^/

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jabberjaws13


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mmmmmm....cold fusion.... elisabeth shue was so hot in that movie....

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Papaya79


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Wow, this piece really shows off both of your versatility as artists. This is an extremely striking piece of work, and your collabs just keep getting better! Congrats to both of you on an extremely successful derby!! +1

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I am new to shirt.woot. I just bought my first shirt 2 weeks ago.

I feel that this is a great design and havent even thought whether I would or wouldn't wear the tshirt. I look at each individual design as a piece of art. I give this my vote solely on the artistic ability.

What I don't understand, why do people insist on tearing the artist a new one if they are not even going to vote on the shirt? Why waste your time to tell everyone that a design is horrible and how you would not wear the tshirt? If I dont like a design, I would not put the time in to write/comment about how I dislike it.

Spend your time in a positive way.

THIS DESIGN ROCKS!!!

chennai8


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thedeadhead1077 wrote:I am new to shirt.woot. I just bought my first shirt 2 weeks ago.

I feel that this is a great design and havent even thought whether I would or wouldn't wear the tshirt. I look at each individual design as a piece of art. I give this my vote solely on the artistic ability.

What I don't understand, why do people insist on tearing the artist a new one if they are not even going to vote on the shirt? Why waste your time to tell everyone that a design is horrible and how you would not wear the tshirt? If I dont like a design, I would not put the time in to write/comment about how I dislike it.

Spend your time in a positive way.

THIS DESIGN ROCKS!!!


I think a good comment, positive or negative helps the artists to refine their work. But the commenter should keep it decent and honest.

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thedeadhead1077


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chennai8 wrote:I think a good comment, positive or negative helps the artists to refine their work. But the commenter should keep it decent and honest.


I completely agree. Positive criticism is good for the artist. I don't agree with people saying or implying that a design "sucks" or is a "horrible" tshirt design.

I really dont care to read that someone wouldnt wear this/that tshirt. Understand?

AdderXYU


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thedeadhead1077 wrote:I completely agree. Positive criticism is good for the artist. I don't agree with people saying or implying that a design "sucks" or is a "horrible" tshirt design.

I really dont care to read that someone wouldnt wear this/that tshirt. Understand?


If a design sucks, I consider saying so to be an incredibly helpful commentary.

Negative criticism is 100x more important than positive. Because that's the stuff you need to work on. If you want to feel good about stuff, don't show it to anyone but sycophants. Otherwise, accept the fact that some people are going to hate it.

megsck


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AdderXYU wrote:If a design sucks, I consider saying so to be an incredibly helpful commentary.

Negative criticism is 100x more important than positive. Because that's the stuff you need to work on. If you want to feel good about stuff, don't show it to anyone but sycophants. Otherwise, accept the fact that some people are going to hate it.


im not trying to start anything with you adder, i just wanted to say i think the person said POSITIVE CRITICISM which is still criticism, just said in a nice helpful way so that the artist would be more apt to listen to it. If you berate the artist and tell them that their shirt "sucks" im pretty positive that they won't be taking any advice you give. Positive criticism still mentions the stuff the artist needs to work on, they just do it in a polite respectful manner. so there is no real benifit to being negative. the only difference between negative and positive criticism is that you are mean while saying one and nice while saying the other. and you are far more likely to catch flys with honey than with vinegar.

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No matter how much I try to make myself aware of what you were -really- were going after, I simply cannot un-see how this strongly reminds me of the Zelda series and how you can trap fairies inside of jars for "use" later.

That, and Navi in particular. I would love to trap her in a jar, then point out to the gaming universe that such creatures would die of asphyxiation. Then I would cackle with glee.

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LOLcommunism wrote:I totally agree with this.

I really can't see myself wearing a shiny orb, in a jar, in the middle of my shirt.

IT IIIIS very well drawn though, I will admit this is a very skillful, well done, high level drawing. I just feel it doesn't belong on a shirt.

My opinion


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megsck wrote:im not trying to start anything with you adder, i just wanted to say i think the person said POSITIVE CRITICISM which is still criticism, just said in a nice helpful way so that the artist would be more apt to listen to it. If you berate the artist and tell them that their shirt "sucks" im pretty positive that they won't be taking any advice you give. Positive criticism still mentions the stuff the artist needs to work on, they just do it in a polite respectful manner. so there is no real benifit to being negative. the only difference between negative and positive criticism is that you are mean while saying one and nice while saying the other. and you are far more likely to catch flys with honey than with vinegar.


I guess not everyone's this way... but as an artist, I love negative criticism. I'm strong enough to handle it when someone tells me something in a negative way. It's very helpful. I don't want people side-stepping to try to avoid hurting my feelings. If I was that fragile, I wouldn't try to show people my work. I'd just hang my art on my refrigerator and ask my mother what she thinks.


LOLcommunism


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BootsBoots wrote:I guess not everyone's this way... but as an artist, I love negative criticism. I'm strong enough to handle it when someone tells me something in a negative way. It's very helpful. I don't want people side-stepping to try to avoid hurting my feelings. If I was that fragile, I wouldn't try to show people my work. I'd just hang my art on my refrigerator and ask my mother what she thinks.



HAAAAAAAAI BOOOOTS

And criticism, positive or engative, is the best tool to improving your designs! :D

Would you kindly...

megsck


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BootsBoots wrote:I guess not everyone's this way... but as an artist, I love negative criticism. I'm strong enough to handle it when someone tells me something in a negative way. It's very helpful. I don't want people side-stepping to try to avoid hurting my feelings. If I was that fragile, I wouldn't try to show people my work. I'd just hang my art on my refrigerator and ask my mother what she thinks.


please, im not saying that you have to be coddled but im sure, "your design is a bit boring, maybe trying this, or that. also i dont think your colors work maybe try this or that." is better than, "your t-shirt sucks! i wouldn't wear that in a million years! also you are a talentless hack who only draws easy things, try something harder why dont you!"

so if you prefer someone insulting you rather than giving you straight forward respectful criticism, than yay for you, most people including me, as an artist, would prefer it the other way.

tjost


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LOLcommunism wrote:HAAAAAAAAI BOOOOTS

And criticism, positive or engative, is the best tool to improving your designs! :D


I'm gonna say I don't care if it's positive or negative criticism, as long as it's constructive. Saying you don't like a design is not constructive it's an opinion. If someone really has a problem with a piece explain why, and then offer suggestions on how to make it better. Also I'm inclined not to listen to the opinion of some who state something doesn't work on a shirt when they've submitted the same three clouds in the last five derbies Just sayin'

LOLcommunism


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tjost wrote:I'm gonna say I don't care if it's positive or negative criticism, as long as it's constructive. Saying you don't like a design is not constructive it's an opinion. If someone really has a problem with a piece explain why, and then offer suggestions on how to make it better. Also I'm inclined not to listen to the opinion of some who state something doesn't work on a shirt when they've submitted the same three clouds in the last five derbies Just sayin'


I submitted 5 different submissions this derby! Mind you! )< And I apologized for the clouds already. Also, I complimented this shirt, and stated my opinion. Thanks for the sass though.

Would you kindly...

MaliceKaiser


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tjost wrote:I'm gonna say I don't care if it's positive or negative criticism, as long as it's constructive. Saying you don't like a design is not constructive it's an opinion. If someone really has a problem with a piece explain why, and then offer suggestions on how to make it better. Also I'm inclined not to listen to the opinion of some who state something doesn't work on a shirt when they've submitted the same three clouds in the last five derbies Just sayin'


So much for practicing what you preach, huh? Just sayin'.

viciousspike


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Oooooh.....shiiiinyyyy...

BootsBoots


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megsck wrote:please, im not saying that you have to be coddled but im sure, "your design is a bit boring, maybe trying this, or that. also i dont think your colors work maybe try this or that." is better than, "your t-shirt sucks! i wouldn't wear that in a million years! also you are a talentless hack who only draws easy things, try something harder why dont you!"

so if you prefer someone insulting you rather than giving you straight forward respectful criticism, than yay for you, most people including me, as an artist, would prefer it the other way.


I think that someone saying, "This design sucks, you're a talentless hack!" is as helpful as someone saying, "This design is awesome, you're so talented!" I value both equally.

I just figure that sometimes people don't know what they like or don't like about something. They just know that it sucks (or doesn't). And if I weren't ok with the "this sucks!" comments then I shouldn't be ok with the "this rocks!" comments either, right?

Edit:

megsck wrote:"your t-shirt sucks! i wouldn't wear that in a million years! also you are a talentless hack who only draws easy things, try something harder why dont you!"
I actually think that comment is pretty constructive. What I'd get from it is the person is suggesting that I branch out and quit doing the same shizzle over and over. The fact that it's insulting and hostile just shows me how strongly they feel. But like I said, I'm pretty thick skinned and insults don't really offend me.

Edit Again: I guess the point I'm trying to make is that you can't really control how other people choose to express themselves, but you can control how you take it in.


BootsBoots


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Oh, in all the hub-bub I forgot to comment about this design itself: IT SUCKS! ;)



(actually I think you guys did a great job on the artwork. Color me impressed. I agree with the people who say they wouldn't wear it on a shirt, but only because it's not my style. I don't see anything inherently unwearable about it)


megsck


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BootsBoots wrote:I think that someone saying, "This design sucks, you're a talentless hack!" is as helpful as someone saying, "This design is awesome, you're so talented!" I value both equally.


i think you are confusing criticism with appreciation. "this design is awesome, you're so talented!" is someone appreciating someone else's work. they have no problems with that design and would like the artist to know that they like their stuff. but someone saying, "you design sucks i hate it!" is not a CRITIQUE it is just someone expressing their dislike for the piece without offering any constructive criticism back. This is the point im trying to make. A CRITICISM will always be helpful, but being RUDE and DISRESPECTFUL will never be helpful.

EDIT: being thick skinned as nothing to do with anything, sure some people can take things other people cant but the point is to be respectful and to be helpful.

zosai


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megsck wrote:A CRITICISM will always be helpful, but being RUDE and DISRESPECTFUL will never be helpful.


I think this is really well stated, megsck. I agree.

tjost


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BootsBoots wrote:Oh, in all the hub-bub I forgot to comment about this design itself: IT SUCKS! ;)



(actually I think you guys did a great job on the artwork. Color me impressed. I agree with the people who say they wouldn't wear it on a shirt, but only because it's not my style. I don't see anything inherently unwearable about it)


Thanks Boots, btw your stuff really sucks, hard ;)

tjost


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LOLcommunism wrote:I submitted 5 different submissions this derby! Mind you! )< And I apologized for the clouds already. Also, I complimented this shirt, and stated my opinion. Thanks for the sass though.


I appreciate the compliment and if you notice the large smiley face next to what I said, that should give you a clue as to how it was delivered. Not bashing your art, but it's never a good idea to resub the same thing like that over and over again (I think the only piece that gets away with that on a constant basis is the pucker).

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Siick T, man.

bassanimation


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Re: Cold Fusion


Thanks for the support (or not) for this design everyone. It was a nice chance to do something out of the ordinary for myself. And of course I'm always in awe of TJost's color work. He did a fantastic job on this, as always! -high five!-

About the above debate on proper critiquing of art: I've been a working professional for over 10 years now, and I'm also an art school graduate. Not once in that time has a teacher, mentor, boss, or even coworker used the word 'suck' to describe mine or another's work. There were a few times in school that people did say that to me, but those people were all under the age of 18 and had plenty of ulterior motives for their statements. Take what you will from that.

I've been dealt harsh criticism before, loads of it even. But it was always given with the genuine intention of making the final product better rather than berating me or proving one's own superiority. It was given with mutual respect. Any child can say something sucks. Most learned adults can formulate a better way to point out the faults in something (especially if you claim yourself an 'expert', as some people do here). If you truly want a final piece of artwork to be better, or to encourage someone to be better overall, you can choose from two ways to do it. One of those ways will not garner you any good will or respect, and one will. You're free to choose how you would rather go about things.

Thanks again everyone, see you another time.

tgentry


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Re: Cold Fusion


I think it looks great guys. I just recently saw Can We Make a Star on Earth on the Science Channel. Pretty cool stuff.

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megsck wrote:i think you are confusing criticism with appreciation. "this design is awesome, you're so talented!" is someone appreciating someone else's work. they have no problems with that design and would like the artist to know that they like their stuff. but someone saying, "you design sucks i hate it!" is not a CRITIQUE it is just someone expressing their dislike for the piece without offering any constructive criticism back. This is the point im trying to make. A CRITICISM will always be helpful, but being RUDE and DISRESPECTFUL will never be helpful.

EDIT: being thick skinned as nothing to do with anything, sure some people can take things other people cant but the point is to be respectful and to be helpful.


I don't think I'm confused. My opinion's just different than yours. I don't see why a person would have the right to "appreciate" someone's art, but wouldn't have the right to "not appreciate" it.

megsck wrote: This is the point im trying to make. A CRITICISM will always be helpful, but being RUDE and DISRESPECTFUL will never be helpful.
They'll never be helpful to you personally (and that's ok), but I actually find people's rude and disrespectful comments helpful (in the same way I find their "appreciation" helpful.

I'm not trying to tell you you're opinion's wrong or anything, Meg. I'm just offering up my own opinion, which happens to be different. It's too bad everyone has their own thoughts about things. In a perfect world everyone would just agree with me. ;)


tjost


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tgentry wrote:I think it looks great guys. I just recently saw Can We Make a Star on Earth on the Science Channel. Pretty cool stuff.


Travis any comments from you negative or positive are always taken with great respect and admiration, you are one of the greats here. Thanks

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tjost wrote:Travis any comments from you negative or positive are always taken with great respect and admiration, you are one of the greats here. Thanks


Gotta second this, haha. TGengry's art is like a unicorn. Beautiful, majestic, and only a virgin can touch it lest the world be covered in darkness and evil Tim Curry devils.

Wait...axe that last part...cause it's creepy. Keep the majestic and beautiful part though.

I think my brain is being affect by the fact that it's 6 pm and it's 80 degrees in my house. WTFTEXASHEAT.

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BootsBoots wrote:
They'll never be helpful to you personally (and that's ok), but I actually find people's rude and disrespectful comments helpful (in the same way I find their "appreciation" helpful.


I find professionally that exceedingly positive comments are just as useless as exceedingly negative ones, but at least the positive ones don't ruin your day.

I think the point folks are trying to make isn't whether it's right or wrong to make rude, inflammatory comments. I think the thing people are trying to express is that posters aren't doing themselves any favors by posting nasty comments.

Oftentimes a person may have a perfectly valid criticism that the artist would benefit from being made aware of. Unfortunately, it's human nature to only register things that make us angry and to disregard the rest. Consequently, by basically telling the artist that the piece sucks right off the bat, any valid point being made will be lost amidst the seething fury that the one comment invoked.

This isn't even a matter of being thick or thin-skinned either. I've seen many people make perfectly valid criticisms amidst long-winded posts that essentially told the artist that they were worthless and needed to stop doing art. I'm not sure how one could make a logical argument that it was terribly helpful to the artist, in that the artist probably stopped reading it halfway in. (Kind of like this one, probably).

To illustrate my point, imagine that in real life a person passed a car in a parking lot with the lights left on. They happened to know the owner of said vehicle and decide to let them know that they had left their lights on. Logically, the easiest thing to do would be to simply walk up to the person and tell them that they had left their lights on. Unfortunately, from some of the posts I've seen here, A number of folks on this site seem to believe that the best way to do this is to walk up to the person, hit them across the face, insult their skills as a driver, and THEN inform them that they had left their lights on. Sure, the car's owner has technically been informed that their lights have been left on, but I doubt very seriously that they'll even register that data while they're laying on the ground massaging their jaw and telling their friends what an a-hole that other person was.

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Re: Cold Fusion


I like the simple design of this one, only draw back though is I feel that this along with some other design on shirts I have ordered are to large. Almost as if the image is a bit over powering and taking up to much of the shirt. If you scaled it back to 75% or maybe 50% size I'd be all for it.

jabberjaws13


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eerunner wrote:I like the simple design of this one, only draw back though is I feel that this along with some other design on shirts I have ordered are to large. Almost as if the image is a bit over powering and taking up to much of the shirt. If you scaled it back to 75% or maybe 50% size I'd be all for it.


no offense, but believe me when i say you are in the minority here. many more people complain about designs being to small, very rare for too big.

personally i think this one struck a nice balance. too small and its hard to tell what it is, too large and it'd look wonky.

Happy Beer.

bassanimation


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eerunner wrote:I like the simple design of this one, only draw back though is I feel that this along with some other design on shirts I have ordered are to large. Almost as if the image is a bit over powering and taking up to much of the shirt. If you scaled it back to 75% or maybe 50% size I'd be all for it.


Shirt placement has always been a tricky one for me. I also like smaller prints, but in the past I have had people to tell me to scale my designs up because they wanted them bigger. Sorry it's not to your liking this go round. Sometimes Woot also does placement on their own. It's tough to tell how the final will come out ^^.

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Re: Cold Fusion


i like this one, i wanna buy this one for sure

IndependentVik


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Re: Cold Fusion


Wow, add glow to _anything_ and people lose their minds. I like it. Wouldn't wear it, but I like it. It looks purty

tjost


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IndependentVik wrote:Wow, add glow to _anything_ and people lose their minds. I like it. Wouldn't wear it, but I like it. It looks purty


Thanks Vik I appreciate that, it's not for everyone, but I don't think I went overboard or used unecessary amounts of shiny for no reason other then shiny . Thanks to everyone else too for their comments both positive and negative, I'll keep pluggin along

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