Derby #226: Math in Nature
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Everything is Gold

Everything is Gold
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Spiritgreen


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Outstanding.

Radscoolian


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Spiritgreen wrote:Outstanding.


Thank you Spirit!

walmazan


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This is the best!!! +1

Radscoolian


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walmazan wrote:This is the best!!! +1


Thanks walmazan! But I do believe you are the best.

allrealelements


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I shed a single tear of joy when I saw this shirt.

D3lusional


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Beautiful design, but I feel the mathematics of it is rather arbitrary.

aluhx


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D3lusional wrote:Beautiful design, but I feel the mathematics of it is rather arbitrary.


I think it's arbitrary only if the viewer doesn't understand the concept of the golden ratio...

If this prints, I will buy it. +1 <3

sombrillo


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Each time I look at this, I notice something new. What an outstanding work of art!

kevlar51


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Well done. I kind of wish the moon was in the sweetspot, but then you'd lose the opportunity to add the smaller details there

tehmalia


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aluhx wrote:I think it's arbitrary only if the viewer doesn't understand the concept of the golden ratio...

If this prints, I will buy it. +1 <3


Indeed!! The design blew my mind when I saw it!! THIS shirt I must have!

mscrankypants


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tehmalia wrote:Indeed!! The design blew my mind when I saw it!! THIS shirt I must have!


I have no idea what a golden ratio is, but I still love this shirt. GMV. Someone will have to explain it to me when it prints so I can explain when I wear it!

andrewdanger


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Wow, This is stunning Stephen!

wolfgaidin


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Geeky Gold. +1

D3lusional


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aluhx wrote:I think it's arbitrary only if the viewer doesn't understand the concept of the golden ratio...


It's just a golden spiral superimposed over a nice background... arbitrary.

texnewmex


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Wow, you are insanely talented. Good job, GMV!

ainecful


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So beautiful.

GMV and all my money!

HeartlineTwist


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D3lusional wrote:It's just a golden spiral superimposed over a nice background... arbitrary.


"In mathematics and the arts, two quantities are in the golden ratio if the ratio of the sum of the quantities to the larger quantity is equal to the ratio of the larger quantity to the smaller one. The golden ratio is an irrational mathematical constant, approximately 1.61803398874989.[1] Other names frequently used for the golden ratio are the golden section (Latin: sectio aurea) and golden mean.[2][3][4] Other terms encountered include extreme and mean ratio,[5] medial section, divine proportion, divine section (Latin: sectio divina), golden proportion, golden cut,[6] golden number, and mean of Phidias.[7][8][9] In this article the golden ratio is denoted by the Greek lowercase letter phi (φ), while its reciprocal, 1 / φ or φ − 1, is denoted by the uppercase variant Phi (Φ)."

There. Saved anyone the 2.5 seconds it took to figure out what was going on.

tehmalia


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mscrankypants wrote:I have no idea what a golden ratio is, but I still love this shirt. GMV. Someone will have to explain it to me when it prints so I can explain when I wear it!


There's a youtube video that explains it, here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zWivbG0RIo

If that doesn't work....just search "The Golden Mean" and it should pop up

kylemittskus


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D3lusional wrote:It's just a golden spiral superimposed over a nice background... arbitrary.


Love the Nautilus design where the math is absolutely NOT arbitrary. But for this design, I agree that the math is arbitrary. I understand what the golden ratio is and it doesn't appear in the moon with the landscape and trees and such. It does in the nautilus shell. Hence, arbitrary vs. not arbitrary use of it.

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amreli


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Beautiful!


fairnymph


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If only this were on NAVY! *sigh* It would be my favourite shirt this derby if it were...

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HeartlineTwist


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kylemittskus wrote:Love the Nautilus design where the math is absolutely NOT arbitrary. But for this design, I agree that the math is arbitrary. I understand what the golden ratio is and it doesn't appear in the moon with the landscape and trees and such. It does in the nautilus shell. Hence, arbitrary vs. not arbitrary use of it.


"Show us your takes on Fibonacci numbers, fractals, golden ratios, and the like."

I don't see why this isn't a take on a golden ratio...

aarrun


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aluhx wrote:I think it's arbitrary only if the viewer doesn't understand the concept of the golden ratio...


I have to disagree. I think it's only arbitrary if you DO understand what the golden ratio is. The golden ratio exists many places in nature, but it does not relate to this moonscape. You have to understand the mathematics to know why this design is pointless.

It's a beautiful moonscape, but I will be sad if art wins out over logic yet again in a cerebral-themed derby.

kylemittskus


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HeartlineTwist wrote:"Show us your takes on Fibonacci numbers, fractals, golden ratios, and the like."

I don't see why this isn't a take on a golden ratio...


^^^Directly above this post.

Because it isn't the Golden Ratio. The nautilus design is. Im going to draw a bunch of rabbits and superimpose the golden ratio patterned out over them. That would be as arbitrary as this design is.

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Radscoolian


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Hey- Thanks everyone for the votes and comments!
I was going to add rabbits, but I just ran out of time. But lets not split hares.

Whatever its worth, my idea revolved around the ubiquity of the golden ratio in nature, thus the panorama. I thought about incorporating other superimposed elements, such as the nautilus shell and a fern but it looked cluttered to me.

I can understand if it seems arbitrary, though.

aluhx


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aarrun wrote:I have to disagree. I think it's only arbitrary if you DO understand what the golden ratio is. The golden ratio exists many places in nature, but it does not relate to this moonscape. You have to understand the mathematics to know why this design is pointless.

It's a beautiful moonscape, but I will be sad if art wins out over logic yet again in a cerebral-themed derby.


Then why is the golden ratio being slapped on Mona Lisa's face as well?
The golden ratio can be used on any subject. A night scene is found in nature.

GO GO GO, PRINT PRINT PRINT <3

aluhx


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aluhx wrote:Then why is the golden ratio being slapped on Mona Lisa's face as well?
The golden ratio can be used on any subject. A night scene is found in nature.

GO GO GO, PRINT PRINT PRINT <3


Also adding on to my own comment... Interesting to know I sparked so much discussion.

Yes, the nautilus does describe the golden ratio well. I do think though that the golden ratio can be applied to a night sky though with no problem. The golden ratio has been placed on several different scenes and objects to find an aesthetic (perhaps the most) in a scene.

A nautilus would have made it more obvious, but this does seem more creative/out of the box/wonderfully subtle when it's not just... what everyone pictures.

kylemittskus


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aluhx wrote:Also adding on to my own comment... Interesting to know I sparked so much discussion.

Yes, the nautilus does describe the golden ratio well. I do think though that the golden ratio can be applied to a night sky though with no problem. The golden ratio has been placed on several different scenes and objects to find an aesthetic (perhaps the most) in a scene.

A nautilus would have made it more obvious, but this does seem more creative/out of the box/wonderfully subtle when it's not just... what everyone pictures.


The nautilus comments are coming from the fact that this artist did the nautilus shirt that hopefully will print.

And the fact that people are throwing the golden ratio onto anything and everything doesn't make the use of it in this design (or in the Mona Lisa) any less arbitrary. There are a great many places that the golden ratio actually occurs in nature. A falcon's dive, nautilus shells, pine cones, etc. etc. etc. You can slap it on top of whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that it's actually present, which is the case with this design.

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

aluhx


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kylemittskus wrote:The nautilus comments are coming from the fact that this artist did the nautilus shirt that hopefully will print.

And the fact that people are throwing the golden ratio onto anything and everything doesn't make the use of it in this design (or in the Mona Lisa) any less arbitrary. There are a great many places that the golden ratio actually occurs in nature. A falcon's dive, nautilus shells, pine cones, etc. etc. etc. You can slap it on top of whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that it's actually present, which is the case with this design.


Thanks for your opinion. Let's agree to disagree. <3

kylemittskus


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aluhx wrote:Thanks for your opinion. Let's agree to disagree. <3


Well, that's not a very good counter argument, is it?

"If drinking is bitter, change yourself to wine." -Rainer Maria Rilke

"Champagne is a very kind and friendly thing on a rainy night." -Isak Dinesen

aluhx


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kylemittskus wrote:Well, that's not a very good counter argument, is it?


There's no need for a counterargument. :'D
I think the design is fine as it is, and while I do disagree with people here, I will respect them. So no more from me.

superkt


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What a tranquil design. I really hope this gets printed.

melfox86


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aarrun wrote:I have to disagree. I think it's only arbitrary if you DO understand what the golden ratio is. The golden ratio exists many places in nature, but it does not relate to this moonscape. You have to understand the mathematics to know why this design is pointless.

It's a beautiful moonscape, but I will be sad if art wins out over logic yet again in a cerebral-themed derby.


Art and logic can coexist. This shirt represents how the golden ration is found in nature in a more subtle way.

The same artist made this shirt and the nautilus shirt? Way to knock this derby out of the park!

GredandForge


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I love this shirt so much! If it doesn't return to fog of war/win then you should think about putting this somewhere else! So many people would buy it!

texnewmex


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GredandForge wrote:I love this shirt so much! If it doesn't return to fog of war/win then you should think about putting this somewhere else! So many people would buy it!


Was it out of the fog yesterday? I hope not, I want to buy it!!

Caddywompus


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The math arguments in some of these threads are classic.

Really effective design, hopefully it remains in the fog.

fireblast3000


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Wonderful *_*

annkingwriter


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The application of the golden mean is to the composition of the painting. And that is brilliant.

GMV

KingA

ClaudiaM


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The direct application of the golden ratio is to the overall composition. The spiral is the absolute opposite of randomly placed, here. It highlights the aesthetics of the ratio. Which perhaps we find beautiful because of how it evokes the proportions and shapes of nature. To me this is as on-topic as it gets, and beautiful too.

Radscoolian


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kylemittskus wrote:^^^Directly above this post.

Because it isn't the Golden Ratio. The nautilus design is. Im going to draw a bunch of rabbits and superimpose the golden ratio patterned out over them. That would be as arbitrary as this design is.


I just found this and it made me laugh. Someone already beat you to the punch.

sjpersing


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Gorgeous!

~~Sj

maelin


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love it!

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